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Anyone else read this story (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1027politicalattack,0,5218066.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines) from the South Florida Sun Sentinel?

WEST PALM BEACH – An 18-year-old Marine recruit remained in jail on Wednesday, charged with threatening to stab his girlfriend over her choice for president, news partner NewsChannel 5 reported in its noon broadcast.

The enlistee, Steven Scott Soper, of Lake Worth, became enraged Tuesday night when his 18-year-old girlfriend said she was leaving him -- and voting for John Kerry for president.

Soper, who will enter the Marines as soon as he passes the GED test, solidly supports Bush. He allegedly told girlfriend Stacey Silheira, "You'll never live to see the election."
Bad things are happening, man. Bad things.

And no--I'm not making any judgments about any party. I'm making a comment on the human condition in this country, especially among the extremes.

Anyone else read this story (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1027politicalattack,0,5218066.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines) from the South Florida Sun Sentinel?


Bad things are happening, man. Bad things.

And no--I'm not making any judgments about any party. I'm making a comment on the human condition in this country, especially among the extremes.

You can blame Bush for such polarization in the country. People are uniting for the express purpose of kicking him out. As for those who support him... maybe they're sheep and they'll follow who's in power. Bush also just happened to be prez when 9/11 happened so people naturally latch themselves to whoever is around at the time. Shame.

I personally found this one from today much more interesting.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html

In a totally a-political sense, naturally.

I personally found this one from today much more interesting.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html

In a totally a-political sense, naturally.
Naturally.

Well, at least no one got hurt on either side. And I'm glad nothing happened to Harris--I wouldn't want her getting any sympathy votes.

You can blame Bush for such polarization in the country. People are uniting for the express purpose of kicking him out. As for those who support him... maybe they're sheep and they'll follow who's in power. Bush also just happened to be prez when 9/11 happened so people naturally latch themselves to whoever is around at the time. Shame.

He was talking about taking politics too far, and then you come in here and fling your anti-bush crap in. Anyone else think that's funny?

must strangle stupid people...

You can blame Bush for such polarization in the country. People are uniting for the express purpose of kicking him out. As for those who support him... maybe they're sheep and they'll follow who's in power. Bush also just happened to be prez when 9/11 happened so people naturally latch themselves to whoever is around at the time. Shame.

My car has had trouble starting recently. That must be his fault as well.

You can blame Bush for such polarization in the country. People are uniting for the express purpose of kicking him out. As for those who support him... maybe they're sheep and they'll follow who's in power. Bush also just happened to be prez when 9/11 happened so people naturally latch themselves to whoever is around at the time. Shame.
Well, thank you for that unbiased commentary. You see, I believe he was referring to people such as yourself, who are so bigoted that they project their opinions onto everyone else. It's ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!! AAHHHHHH!!

Jesus, grow up. It's a proven fact, Americans can get violent over politics, left or right wing. Your refusal to see this, and attempt to lay blame on everyone but your party, simply stresses the point.

He was talking about taking politics too far, and then you come in here and fling your anti-bush crap in. Anyone else think that's funny?
Well, I replied to the same effect, and then saw this. Sorry, but yes I saw the humor. At the same time, it almost made me mad, mad enough... to kill!!!

I think this line here speaks volumes,

Soper, who will enter the Marines as soon as he passes the GED test, solidly supports Bush.

Some things just make sense. Like the fact that the woman I was behind in traffic the other day who tossed her Mickee Dee burger wrapper out the window when she finished eating had a "W-'04" sticker in her window. You can seem to tell who's gonna vote for Dubya by their actions.

He was talking about taking politics too far, and then you come in here and fling your anti-bush crap in. Anyone else think that's funny?

Actually, I didn't find it funny at all. More like upsetting.

My car has had trouble starting recently. That must be his fault as well.

Act of God. He's clear.

Actually, I didn't find it funny at all. More like upsetting.

Your opinion.

Your opinion.

Did I represent it as anything else?

Yes. Threatening murder over something that ticky-tack is stupid. Hell, threatening murder is stupid, period.

Anyone else read this story (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1027politicalattack,0,5218066.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines) from the South Florida Sun Sentinel?


Bad things are happening, man. Bad things.

And no--I'm not making any judgments about any party. I'm making a comment on the human condition in this country, especially among the extremes.

Strict loyalty such as this is just beautiful. Now if only we had a majority that felt this way and an extreme right-wing president who would deserve such loyalty then America would have something going...

My car has had trouble starting recently. That must be his fault as well.

Of course it is. See, some GM models install alternators manufactured in Canada or Mexico, and some brands of spark plugs are manufactured overseas, and everyone knows that if Kerry were elected, he'd make sure no one would use overseas labor and all car parts would be manufactured in the U.S. So obviously, Bush wants you to have car trouble for the next four years. See?

Unfortunately this world is full of sheople (sheep people) and none of this seems likely to change soon. But there is nothing that says we can't try (but please make sure you are not one before you try).

Strict loyalty such as this is just beautiful. Now if only we had a majority that felt this way and an extreme right-wing president who would deserve such loyalty then America would have something going...

Hey, give Bush time. No one figured him for a leader in the 80's, and yet he grew into it.. maybe by '08, the masses will be clamoring for a new order unde Bush. ;) We can have our own Republican Guard, a civil-police unit recruited from the military, and abolish term limits. :cool:

Till then, instead of violence, just use the 'ol Bush Victory Salute.

Like so: http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

*sigh*

At least it will all be over soon

(BTW- 1., Bush has a nice one-fingured salute. 2. is that real? 3. Im voting bush. and NO, not because of the salute.)

*sigh*

At least it will all be over soon

(BTW- 1., Bush has a nice one-fingured salute. 2. is that real? 3. Im voting bush. and NO, not because of the salute.)

Yeah, it's real from what I can tell. It's from the early 90's, as you can tell since Bush has a thicker accent. It's cropped clip, but he's frustrated at technical problems with the equipment I think. Still funny, though. :p

I can feel for that guy who practically ran over Harris. I'm not sure if I'd be able to restrain myself either in that situation. She is only one of the crooks who took place in stealing the 2000 election. She, the supreme court (5 of them anyway), the Whitehouse neocons, and countless others are crimnals in the truest sense of the word and deserve to suffer horribly. (Yes, that means you too Mr.Aschcroft, in case you happen to come across this while you are monitoring everything everyhere.)

I personally found this one from today much more interesting.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html

In a totally a-political sense, naturally.

Since he was charged anyway after deliberately not hurting anyone, the obvious message is "next time, don't swerve".

I'm not making any judgments about any party.

I am making a judgement on one of the political parties.

The Republicans have crossed the line and have systematically adopted a scorched earth policy toward anyone who dares oppose them. From their requirements for loyalty oaths before you are allowed to see the president or vice-president, to their election dirty tricks, to their attempts to silence anyone who disagrees with their policies by implying (or coming right out and saying) they are unpatriotic, I am coming to believe that the leadership of the GOP no longer believes in a two party system.

I can feel for that guy who practically ran over Harris. I'm not sure if I'd be able to restrain myself either in that situation. She is only one of the crooks who took place in stealing the 2000 election. She, the supreme court (5 of them anyway), the Whitehouse neocons, and countless others are crimnals in the truest sense of the word and deserve to suffer horribly. (Yes, that means you too Mr.Aschcroft, in case you happen to come across this while you are monitoring everything everyhere.)

Better be careful. A girl named Annie got a visit from the FBI after threatening Bush in her Livejournal. ;) http://www.livejournal.com/users/anniesj/331112.html

I am making a judgement on one of the political parties.

The Republicans have crossed the line and have systematically adopted a scorched earth policy toward anyone who dares oppose them. From their requirements for loyalty oaths before you are allowed to see the president or vice-president, to their election dirty tricks, to their attempts to silence anyone who disagrees with their policies by implying (or coming right out and saying) they are unpatriotic, I am coming to believe that the leadership of the GOP no longer believes in a two party system.I'll agree with the bolded part to an extent, but I don't think that's the case with the whole party. The leadership, however--they're shitbags, plain and simple.

I'll agree with the bolded part to an extent, but I don't think that's the case with the whole party. The leadership, however--they're shitbags, plain and simple.

Two parties are fine, so long as the right one has control of the Oval Office, Congress, and most governorships.. See, that's called compromise. ;)

Soper, who will enter the Marines as soon as he passes the GED test, solidly supports Bush.
Glad to see they are recruiting the "best and the brightest."
That goes for the Marines and the Bush supporters!
Better be careful. A girl named Annie got a visit from the FBI after threatening Bush in her Livejournal
Yeah, well, not seeing what she wrote, I guessing it was probaby something specific that could definitely be considered a threat. That's just stupid.
Two parties are fine, so long as the right one has control of the Oval Office, Congress, and most governorships.. See, that's called compromise. ;)
Pepe, shouldn't you be doing your homework right now?
:D

Two parties are fine, so long as the right one has control of the Oval Office, Congress, and most governorships.. See, that's called compromise. ;)

Right, the Democratic Party. Glad to see you've decided to compromise. :)

Since he was charged anyway after deliberately not hurting anyone, the obvious message is "next time, don't swerve".Anyone else notice in his booking photo he looks like he had the crap beat out of him? Probably would have been treated more carefully if he had hit her. Having the public eye on them such as when dealing with a high profile crime seems to make the cops less clumbsy when handling a suspect.

He was talking about taking politics too far, and then you come in here and fling your anti-bush crap in. Anyone else think that's funny?
It's pathetic.

Yeah, it's real from what I can tell. It's from the early 90's, as you can tell since Bush has a thicker accent. It's cropped clip, but he's frustrated at technical problems with the equipment I think. Still funny, though. :p
Yeah, it's funny, it was done in jest. Not like when kerry flipped the bird at a vet at the veitnam memorial in D.C.

I personally found this one from today much more interesting.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html

In a totally a-political sense, naturally.

So THAT'S what Terminalia looks like! :rolleyes:

Yeah, it's funny, it was done in jest. Not like when kerry flipped the bird at a vet at the veitnam memorial in D.C.

I've scraped wittier things off the bottom of my shoe.

Originally Posted by MunkeBrain
Yeah, it's funny, it was done in jest. Not like when kerry flipped the bird at a vet at the veitnam memorial in D.C.I've scraped wittier things off the bottom of my shoe.
I've wiped them up with toilet paper.

This is the latest in a string of proof for my point that Americans are more vicious in their partisanship than anyone in any other democracy.

This is the latest in a string of proof for my point that Americans are more vicious in their partisanship than anyone in any other democracy.

Oh, come now. Take a step back and gain a little perspective. Yes, Americans are throwing around a lot of nasty words at each other over the upcoming election, but the most vicious in their partisanship?

The elections a couple of years ago in France were pretty heated over the candidacy of right-wing extremist Jean-Marie Le Pen, don’t you think? Since then the number of anti-Semitic incidents in France has been on the rise. That is pretty vicious.

How about the recent elections in Venezuela? There were strikes, protests, and violence in the streets of Caracas.

Both Sein Fein and the Unionists in Northern Ireland have been known to bring out some fairly nasty partisanship in their supporters.

From time to time the people of Israel show a streak of nasty partisanship in their electoral process when it comes to the issue of settlements. In fact the discussion of settlements on occupied land often takes place over the barrel of a Magil Carbine.

Even the Canadians have been known to get worked up over the issue of Quebec, with the Parti Quebecois calling for separation from Canada on occasion. As far as I know no one in the U.S. is talking about splitting up the country.

Americans are going through a period of intense partisanship, not unlike what they went through in the 1870s and 1880s. However, despite all the rhetoric the nastiness has not elevated past the level of schoolyard name calling. No one is burning synagogues, trying to overthrown the government, setting off car bombs, forcing people from their homes, or attempting to secede from the country.

That is nasty partisanship.

Yeah, it's real from what I can tell. It's from the early 90's, as you can tell since Bush has a thicker accent. It's cropped clip, but he's frustrated at technical problems with the equipment I think. Still funny, though.
Yeah, it's funny, it was done in jest. Not like when kerry flipped the bird at a vet at the veitnam memorial in D.C.
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Kerry Fled!

Asked before, now asked again: when did Kerry flee?

So THAT'S what Terminalia looks like! :rolleyes:

Thats probably what your momma looks like Dru, ugly bitch. :)

LOL, Domestic abuse!

Thats probably what your momma looks like Dru, ugly bitch. :)

Ooohhh... flames!!! :D

As for the marine, sheez he was only 18 when he said that, hes just a kid.

People who kill people usually just do it, a threat is usually nothing but hot air.

Ooohhh... flames!!! :D

lol burn you little bugger. :p

Anyone else read this story (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1027politicalattack,0,5218066.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines) from the South Florida Sun Sentinel?


Bad things are happening, man. Bad things.

And no--I'm not making any judgments about any party. I'm making a comment on the human condition in this country, especially among the extremes.

It was a repbulican who threatned to kill her. You can see that reps are very ignorant human beings.

LOL, Bomb Threats!

It was a repbulican who threatned to kill her. You can see that reps are very ignorant human beings.

what because we dont share your lefty liberal point of view. so over half of people who voted are ignorant??? that a big call, because of course the actions of one person are enough evidence to generlise all republicans what alot of nothing sence that makes it does cokos nest

That's really... sad. What is this country coming to?

What ever happened to good old fashioned thinking. It is amazing how stuck in there ways and closeminded people are. All it leads to is a bunch of wacko extremists, on both sides.

What ever happened to good old fashioned thinking. It is amazing how stuck in there ways and closeminded people are. All it leads to is a bunch of wacko extremists, on both sides.

You know what frightens me? Extremist moderates. Them and the carnival worker's party, a.k.a., the carny party.

Them and the carnival worker's party, a.k.a., the carny party.

Dont forget the acorns :p

They can be scary too.

Naturally.

Well, at least no one got hurt on either side. And I'm glad nothing happened to Harris--I wouldn't want her getting any sympathy votes.

I guess this is further evidence of politics going too far when your main concern is not for the person whose life was in danger, but rather, the symbolism of her death and the negative effect it might have on your candidate.

By the way, I would caution against taking one isolated incident and projecting it on an entire nation. Chances are this guy would have threatened her if she has supported a different sports team or some other equally silly reason.

I happen to like vigorous partisan politics. It is a sign of a healthy democracy.

I guess this is further evidence of politics going too far when your main concern is not for the person whose life was in danger, but rather, the symbolism of her death and the negative effect it might have on your candidate.
This is true, very true. I agree that active debate is part of a healthy democracy, but when partisanship becomes so extreme that people begin to

*break the law for their party's advantage
*prevent their opponents from taking part in the democratic system
*become violent in political disagreements

then it is certainly NOT healthy.

what because we dont share your lefty liberal point of view. so over half of people who voted are ignorant??? that a big call, because of course the actions of one person are enough evidence to generlise all republicans what alot of nothing sence that makes it does cokos nest
Don't listen to Alansyism, he's not a real liberal. He's a Stalinist nutjob.