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http://www.etherzone.com/2004/bren102704.shtml

Kerry supporters, try to refute this.

Kerry haters, try to vindicate it.

Fire away.

http://www.etherzone.com/2004/bren102704.shtml

Kerry supporters, try to refute this.

Kerry haters, try to vindicate it.

Fire away.

Oh yeah, its so horrible that Kerry fought in the most dangerous place in Viet-Nam, what an asshole, while our enlightened President was honorably winning the "Dannely air national guard no new cavities award" Kerry was winning five awards, including three crummy purple hearts, one lousy bronze star and one POTHETIC Silver star. GO BUSH! FOUR MORE YEARS!


If you have not detected sarcasm by this point go see a doctor.

Oh yeah, and Ive had ancestors since the French and Indian war, if you dont know thats before the American revolution, and theyve been in every war from than till Viet-Nam, many of them respected generals and Captains, including my dead grandfather, Captain in WWII in the East Pacific, while my grandmothers first husband was dying in D-Day, paratrooper. I had like 20 relatives in that war, And two general ancestors in the Civil War for the north, and all the other wars in between that time, and we are the most commited Democrats youve ever seen, so dont tell me about Bull Run, or those other wars, because while I feel sympothy, I wont change my mind because of that asshole.

Bad things happened to Americans in Vietnam, and Kerry was one of those who told us about bad things that Americans did in Vietnam. It seems natural that some of those Americans who endured the unimaginable would bear resentment. They endured so much, but their pain was overshadowed by the nation's anger against ALL veterans, not just those few who did bad things.

It was a difficult time for America, many people hated entire groups without really thinking about why. The army was derided and hated by those who hated the war; but why hate the poor soldiers when its the WAR you hate? For this mistake many veterans live with more than just the trauma of war, they live with their resentment of a nation that hated them for the wrong reasons.

Some would use that resentment for political gain.

Oh yeah, its so horrible that Kerry fought in the most dangerous place in Viet-Nam, what an asshole, while our enlightened President was honorably winning the "Dannely air national guard no new cavities award" Kerry was winning five awards, including three crummy purple hearts, one lousy bronze star and one POTHETIC Silver star. GO BUSH! FOUR MORE YEARS!


If you have not detected sarcasm by this point go see a doctor.


Wow, how sad that your bitterness is so overpowering that you must bash Bush immediately when this article does not mention him even once. Why don't you just try to address this matter at hand instead of change the subject and avoid it?

Wow, how sad that your bitterness is so overpowering that you must bash Bush immediately when this article does not mention him even once. Why don't you just try to address this matter at hand instead of change the subject and avoid it?

You are right.

It is sad that the current regime has made so many people so bitter.

Wow, how sad that your bitterness is so overpowering that you must bash Bush immediately when this article does not mention him even once. Why don't you just try to address this matter at hand instead of change the subject and avoid it?
Wow, how sad that your idiocy is so overpowering that you fail to see the partisan nature of the original article, not to mention the fact that he was addressing the matter at hand.

To the guy before me... This is a political issue, it is an attack on Kerry, so Bush was involved from the start... whther or not he choose to be or the author choose to mention him.

To the article...

Yay! You can whine! You can say: "omgomgomgomg! John Kerry is a BAD MAN!!!!!!111oneonewhinewhinewhine"

I could say the Same of GWB here... GWB is a coward who lost lives in Vietnam because his daddy kept him out of the war... wow! Or I could just say... Some proof would be nice...

http://www.etherzone.com/2004/bren102704.shtml

Kerry supporters, try to refute this.

Kerry haters, try to vindicate it.

Fire away.

It is an interesting article... how does Mr Brennan believe that "our fellow Americans" (were) "being horribly tortured, often as a direct result of the treasonous activities of John Forbes Kerry"?

So, Kerry was a whistle-blower. So, Kerry was an iconoclast. The nation as a whole was sick of Vietnam. Most of the soldiers fighting were sick of Vietnam. Kerry came back from a tour of Vietnam and told the truth. Bad stuff DID happen. It WAS a horrible war. People WERE unhappy with it.

What I disliked most about this article - and, I KNOW the author has the right to say whatever he likes, is the use of the word "TURNCOAT". What is it about American history, that anyone who tries to STOP killing is labelled a traitor? Could someone not be interested in a less violent world for philanthropic reasons? Was Benedict Arnold a traitor? Or just a man trying to avoid a bloody war? Was Kerry a traitor? Or just a man returning from the theater of war with a less than rosey view?

Plus, of course... the fact that this article is based on the 'evidence' of a TV show that Mr Brennan happened to watch...

I guess this whole thing hinges on whether it's "heroic" to take part in state-sanctioned murder, and interfere in the political evolution of foreign countries. There was never a 'North' and 'South' Vietnam, there was however, a popular communist revolution in the country of Vietnam. The French tried to prop up an unpopular colonial regime and failed. The Americans then tried propping up the same shaky regime and failed. Why? Because the revolution was popular, and a natural political evolution.

Just like your Civil War.

Anyway, I don't think it's at all "heroic" to go wandering around someone else's country, fighting and killing the locals to advance some politicians' notion of right and wrong. It's far more heroic for an individual to stand up for himself and refuse to carry a rifle.

As Dr. Asimov wrote (a lifetime ago, now): "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent". Words I live my life by, friends.

Well yes the article was interesting, it is very easy to pull up the same sort of stuff on Bush. Micheal Moore anyone? The fact of the matter is that in order to be able to make an informed opinion on either candidate you have to ,please (I assume some of ye are americans?), take a step back and look at which is the best not only nationally but internationally as well. Wars suck, people die, innocents ususally take the brunt. It's crap but it's the nature of war. Bush will never be able to finish what he started. So please while Kerry isn't much more suitable for the job there isn't anyone else. Is anyone else expecting Osama to be drawn out of a hat next monday?

First off I would like to thank our men and women in unifourm, from the Revolutionary War up to Gulf War II. Now with that being said. John Kerry did what no one else had the balls to do. He told the truth about Vietnam. Face the fact people, Vietnam was a horrible horrible War. Do you want to know why we even bothered going into Vietnam? Because the French tried to colonized the country, they got pissed and push them out. So being allies of a pussy country (France) we decided to go in and help, and look where that got us. To say that John Kerry caused Vietnam Veterans to get spit on and be called a "baby killer" is bullshit. Because THAT was going on before he TOLD THE TRUTH! And so far I have not seen any evidence that his testimony was used to torture POWs. All of that was just put out by the Republican spin machine. John Kerry did talk about his record because he had the right to. He actually had a War Record. But President Bush who we all know wimped out of going to Vietnam and went to the T.A.N.G. and then went AWOL, has nothing to run on? So what do they do? They blow everything about John Kerry WAY out of proportion! Also as protest I refused to watch that Sinclair program, and I hope alot of other people saw for what it really is, a smear campagin. I just wanna know why no one is upset about the Bush administration trying to make the service of a real Veteran look like a bunch of crap! I mean if I were to go up to a veteran and do that I would get beaten up by alot of people on the street. And yet, Bush can do that and his jaw is still intact. Vietnam was a horrible unjust War, and John Kerry told the truth.

Oh yeah, its so horrible that Kerry fought in the most dangerous place in Viet-Nam, what an asshole, while our enlightened President was honorably winning the "Dannely air national guard no new cavities award" Kerry was winning five awards, including three crummy purple hearts, one lousy bronze star and one POTHETIC Silver star. GO BUSH! FOUR MORE YEARS!


If you have not detected sarcasm by this point go see a doctor.You bring up some very good points.
1. Kerry has three purple hearts. Did you know there is NO OTHER PERSON THAT HAS EVER BEEN ISSUED 3 PURPLE HEARTS FROM ONE TOUR? DID YOU KNOW THAT THREE PHs IS AN EARLY TICKET HOME, EVEN IF IT'S A MINOR ABRASION TO THE HAND? With that much military in your tree, you should know that a combat tour in Vietnam was 12 months. Somebody left 7-8 months early. BTW, he was a Naval RESERVE Officer!
2. My blood line runs deep as well, but has not faltered! I'm a Gulf War, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and War on Terrorism vet, what's your status?
3. So, was the Jimmy Carter blunder in the hosatge rescue a wonderful use of the military?
4. What about the clinton era, and the bombing and occupation (for just 3-4 years) of the Balkans that is still occupied by US military almost 10 years later?

Show your support, be proud, but don't be confused!

What a shameful partisan attempt to pass itself off as newsworthy. Airing Stolen Honor is the equivalent of showing Fahrenheit 9/11 on NBC a day before the election. Though 9/11 is a tad more relevant. The Kerry campaign fought Stolen Honor because it is more inflammatory and biased than it is true, and that it is essentially a campaign contribution.

I did actually see his address to congress he made 30 some years ago on tv recently. He very plainly says the blame falls on the leaders not the troops themselves.

I suppose you'd rather we stayed in Vietnam to the bitter end and had the media controlled so everyone doesn't hear anything bad. So much for an informed public. That was a war that didn't need to be fought in the first place. It was a war of politics, trying to stop the spread of Communism; a situation which totally could have been avoided had we backed the Vietnemese democratic movement instead of trying to save face with France. Not being unpatriotic or anything, but if the US ain't gonna help you out like you thought they would, and you see the ol Soviets giving you their support, well then you can't really blame them for going that route. And since when is dissenting opinions unamerican anyway?

You need to look at what's going on here. Where was all this "Kerry is anti-American" when he was running for Senate? They're playing a smear campaign with a very controversial war in American history. You need to see through the bullshit.

You bring up some very good points.
1. Kerry has three purple hearts. Did you know there is NO OTHER PERSON THAT HAS EVER BEEN ISSUED 3 PURPLE HEARTS FROM ONE TOUR? DID YOU KNOW THAT THREE PHs IS AN EARLY TICKET HOME, EVEN IF IT'S A MINOR ABRASION TO THE HAND? With that much military in your tree, you should know that a combat tour in Vietnam was 12 months. Somebody left 7-8 months early. BTW, he was a Naval RESERVE Officer!
Hey hey, take your complaint to these guys (http://www.navy.mil/). They the ones who falsly said that his medals were legal and earned.

2. My blood line runs deep as well, but has not faltered! I'm a Gulf War, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and War on Terrorism vet, what's your status?
And my granda and great great whatever ancestors fought in wars too. Point?
3. So, was the Jimmy Carter blunder in the hosatge rescue a wonderful use of the military?
Of course not, who said it was? In fact, who even brought him up? DO try to stay on topic now.
4. What about the clinton era, and the bombing and occupation (for just 3-4 years) of the Balkans that is still occupied by US military almost 10 years later?
Read my last post. Are you sure you arn't confusing this for a different thread?

Show your support, be proud, but don't be confused!

Did you know more then half Bush supporters don't even know where he stands on issues? And I agree with most of that. Be supportive, be knowledgable, but don't get jingoistic.

People need to stop misinterpreting what the Navy said. They said the procedures were followed, not that the medals were valid.

Kerry fought, he showed courage.
Bush showed none.

Kerry paid his dues.
Bush paid none.

Kerry had the guts to speak his conscience after he had done his tour of duty. That is part of the American freedom of which we are so proud, yet it has driven these nutsy vets to lie and lie again about the past just because they resent his protest so much. Well, he was right and they are worng. And the more they try to smear him, the more wrong they are.
Bush: Conscience? What conscience?