NationStates Jolt Archive

Again, the Republican, party is involved in massive election fraud. Lucky enough, the BBC is not afraid of the extremist right wing party.

When will people wake up and outlaw this Fascist party by bringing them for justice. Will the American public let the election steale again by te Republicans?

After the computerfraude (democrat counties that would be Republican after the election because of a system fraude: D votes there would be registrated as R votes) and the refusal of giving a paper computerprint of your vote (a refusal done by republicans so the fraude continues without a problem), we find the triky party of triky Dick and other gansters latest fraud thank's to a country in wich not all media is Republican or afraid of them. Good old BEEB, the BBC!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

the secretary of state of new mexico has an ad on the tv/radio giving a phone number to call if you see shit happening at the local polling place. she'll call the local sherrif or the state police post to have them check it out.

Again, the Republican, party is involved in massive election fraud. Lucky enough, the BBC is not afraid of the extremist right wing party.

When will people wake up and outlaw this Fascist party by bringing them for justice. Will the American public let the election steale again by te Republicans?

After the computerfraude (democrat counties that would be Republican after the election because of a system fraude: D votes there would be registrated as R votes) and the refusal of giving a paper computerprint of your vote (a refusal done by republicans so the fraude continues without a problem), we find the triky party of triky Dick and other gansters latest fraud thank's to a country in wich not all media is Republican or afraid of them. Good old BEEB, the BBC!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm


Actually I grew up in Germany my parents had to deal with fascism I truly don’t think you know what fascism is and by making a party Illegal is Part of censorship which I believe your country does not allow. Do your research on fascism and Nazi governments before you open your mouth you may learn something

Nazism does not necessarily = fascism

Again, the Republican, party is involved in massive election fraud. Lucky enough, the BBC is not afraid of the extremist right wing party.

When will people wake up and outlaw this Fascist party by bringing them for justice. Will the American public let the election steale again by te Republicans?

After the computerfraude (democrat counties that would be Republican after the election because of a system fraude: D votes there would be registrated as R votes) and the refusal of giving a paper computerprint of your vote (a refusal done by republicans so the fraude continues without a problem), we find the triky party of triky Dick and other gansters latest fraud thank's to a country in wich not all media is Republican or afraid of them. Good old BEEB, the BBC!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm



A list of 1800 is what the BBC calls voter fraud these days? It must bea crime to have a list of the names of some voters on right?

what a joke.

I guess america really is in need of international observers who could monitor your country's elections, as it's patently obvious to anyone that you're going to get royally screwed over again.

Pathetic. You people are in no position to export democracy, your nation ain't democratic. You just get off on looking down your noses at the rest of the planet.

Ptui.

A list of 1800 is what the BBC calls voter fraud these days? It must bea crime to have a list of the names of some voters on right?

what a joke.
a list convenienlty consisting of only democratic names in a battle ground state in which a law allows political parties to question ballots at the polls... oh yeah nothing is gonna happen there :rolleyes:

a list convenienlty consisting of only democratic names in a battle ground state in which a law allows political parties to question ballots at the polls... oh yeah nothing is gonna happen there :rolleyes:

Did the article say why they might be on a list? Maybe they were people who ahd registered twice or were convicted felons.

Did the article say why they might be on a list? Maybe they were people who ahd registered twice or were convicted felons.No but the people who compiled the list did: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3958475.stm

a list convenienlty consisting of only democratic names in a battle ground state in which a law allows political parties to question ballots at the polls... oh yeah nothing is gonna happen there :rolleyes:
Do you lie on purpose or is it more of a lack of thought going into your posts that makes so many of them false?

its my understanding that the democratic party in florida has sent lawyers to certain polling places to make sure that no one is denied the vote. they are right there to press the rights of anyone who is told they cant vote or who is rushed into voting more quickly than is comfortable for them (a common complaint in '00)

EVERY polling place and vote count in the country is watched by both demorcatic and republican party monitors. (i think other parties are allowed to be in the process if they choose) this year no one is going to let any crap happen without bringing it to everyone attention.

And yet we have seen what ACORN, a democrat afiliated group, has committed.

Don't you even think for a moment that the Republicans are the only ones that do this. Democrats are known to do so too. How do you think JFK defeated Nixon in the election of 1960? The mayor of Chicago, a democrat, got the Union to vote two or three times to carry the state. In PA in 2000, 100% voter turnout among the blacks in the city of Philadelphia. There is no way on God's green Earth that 100% of the Black vote turned out in Philly.

Nice call, Squi - I personally have no problem with either party interrupting a perpetrator from logging a fraudulent vote. Peculiar that it seems to be more common in Democrat communities.

Actually I grew up in Germany my parents had to deal with fascism I truly don’t think you know what fascism is and by making a party Illegal is Part of censorship which I believe your country does not allow. Do your research on fascism and Nazi governments before you open your mouth you may learn something

Sorry kiddo, guess it is you that has a lot of research to do before you open the hole in your face.

Germany was Nazism
Italy was Fascisme. Oxtaolsoup is right in his comparission, you are wrong since you don't the difference between Fascisme (Italy)and Nazisme (Germany).

Study a bit, you might learn something about your famous compatriots like Goebels, Hess, Keitel, Rosenberg, Ley, Frick, Freisler aso. All persons that would fit perfectly amongst Pearl, Wolfowitz and other O Reilly extremists.

Study a bit, you might learn something about your famous compatriots like Goebels, Hess, Keitel, Rosenberg, Ley, Frick, Freisler aso. All persons that would fit perfectly amongst Pearl, Wolfowitz and other O Reilly extremists.


What can someone say to an individual who makes such comparisons. Clearly you exist in a completely different reality. Since it is unlikely that anything I could say would convince you otherwise, why dont you ask someone you trust that also has some sort of clue(teacher, historian, librarian, holocaust survivor ect). Make the comparison you just made and see what they have to say.

What can someone say to an individual who makes such comparisons. Clearly you exist in a completely different reality. Since it is unlikely that anything I could say would convince you otherwise, why dont you ask someone you trust that also has some sort of clue(teacher, historian, librarian, holocaust survivor ect). Make the comparison you just made and see what they have to say.
He comes from a planet all his own, where flowers and trees all love each other, and he is king. Ignore his blather.

Do you lie on purpose or is it more of a lack of thought going into your posts that makes so many of them false?


Oh, that really elevates the debate.

So how exactly is this not true?

And yet we have seen what ACORN, a democrat afiliated group, has committed.

Don't you even think for a moment that the Republicans are the only ones that do this. Democrats are known to do so too. How do you think JFK defeated Nixon in the election of 1960? The mayor of Chicago, a democrat, got the Union to vote two or three times to carry the state. In PA in 2000, 100% voter turnout among the blacks in the city of Philadelphia. There is no way on God's green Earth that 100% of the Black vote turned out in Philly.

I think you ar e making reference to ACT, a pro-left voter group.

There was an article that misidentified ACORN as being involved in voter manipulation, but it was incorrect. The actual group involved was ACT.

ACORN is concerned with grassroots community organization and does not get involved in national elections.

Oh, that really elevates the debate.

So how exactly is this not true?
He stated that it was only Democratic names. Heavily Black and therefore probably Democratic? Yes. Not even a trashy journalist like Palast, though, makes an absolute statement on it. Blacks are overwhelmingly Democrat. Some of the new ones that registered registered Republican.

Well to be fair, the religious right or what is known as "social conservatives" do not believe in democracy at all. They believe in a monarchy system their king is God. Any one who is a true Christian doesn't believe in democracy, that's why I always laugh when Dubya blathers on about "freedom"

Also in fairness there are people who believe in God , but are not social conservatives and don't believe in pushing their beliefs on others and do believe in a wall of separation of church & state, these are the people who believe in democracy. This current administration is not those people.

Well to be fair, the religious right or what is known as "social conservatives" do not believe in democracy at all. They believe in a monarchy system their king is God. Any one who is a true Christian doesn't believe in democracy, that's why I always laugh when Dubya blathers on about "freedom"

Also in fairness there are people who believe in God , but are not social conservatives and don't believe in pushing their beliefs on others and do believe in a wall of separation of church & state, these are the people who believe in democracy. This current administration is not those people.

Honesty, where do you get these ideas?

Honesty, where do you get these ideas?

It is hard to have any other conclusion after viewing CBN and the 700 club.

Honesty, where do you get these ideas?

Think about it. Try, I know it's hard, but just try to step outside of the box you have been socially conditioned to believe for one second. It's the truth!

Nice call, Squi - I personally have no problem with either party interrupting a perpetrator from logging a fraudulent vote. Peculiar that it seems to be more common in Democrat communities.

Not really peculiar. 90% of black people voted Gore in the 2000 campaign. Therefore heavily black counties are easy to typecast as voting almost purely democratic.

Democratic voter groups target these counties to register everyone possible, and some may go too far, registering those with invalid addresses, or even convicted felons.

Republican voter groups target these counties to pour over registration information, and try to disenfranchise anyone who made even a slight mistake on them.

Personally, I think it'll prolly balance out.

Ok, first of all, we're all putting words in the beebs mouth here.
Read the headline.

"A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals"

Notice the "Suggests a plan" "possibly in violation of US law"

A distinct lack of definites.

Here it continues:

"It lists 1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas of Jacksonville, Florida."

This does not say that all of them where black democrats. it says the area is predominantly black and democratic party supporting. Technically, they could all be white republicans.

So making such widespread assumptions is really out.

Now, naturally, this could all be construed as a way of covering their backs. Most of us know the almost recent saga with the BBC and government. They could mean to directly accuse the party, but word it softly enough that they themselves can't be accused of anything. After all, a media organization is supposed to be impartial. However, the BBC have quite the reputation for being an outstanding journalistic body, which they have maintained throughout their existence.

Further down the report, however, we do see two things which I find quite interesting. Firstly, "There was no explanation as to why such clerical matters would be sent to top officials of the Bush campaign in Florida and Washington"

Two things. Why can't the explain this? And secondly, why should this information be sent in the first place? The two points are basically the same, but there is slight difference.

Secondly " In Jacksonville, to determine if Republicans were using the lists or other means of intimidating voters, we filmed a private detective filming every "early voter" - the majority of whom are black - from behind a vehicle with blacked-out windows."


Why would a PI be interested in who's voting, unless their client had some kind of political agenda? Now, whilst this might be a completely seperate, but Republican affiliated group (whether or not the Republican party would like to be affiliated with them or not), but it is equally likely, in light of the evidence, circumstantial though it may seem, that it is the Republican party.

My point? Everyone who is assuming concrete information from this report is wrong. There is no concrete information, just a lot of circumstantial evidence, that does indeed implicate the Republican party, further compounded by their refusal to deny or explain it.

Think about it. Try, I know it's hard, but just try to step outside of the box you have been socially conditioned to believe for one second. It's the truth!

Wow. That was a good laugh. Thank you Steph.

I think you ar e making reference to ACT, a pro-left voter group.

There was an article that misidentified ACORN as being involved in voter manipulation, but it was incorrect. The actual group involved was ACT.

And ACORN was implicated too.

ACORN is concerned with grassroots community organization and does not get involved in national elections.

Now this is bullshit

Think about it. Try, I know it's hard, but just try to step outside of the box you have been socially conditioned to believe for one second. It's the truth!

The pot says, "Hey kettle, you're black."

This corruption in US government is the blame of both parties, or do you generally forget that the American government is dominated by Democrats & Republicans.

The pot says, "Hey kettle, you're black."

No I'm not. I realize we are all socially conditioned. The difference is I'm aware of it in every thing I do or say. Most people are totally unaware of it. Go through life believing they have free thought.

Again, the Republican, party is involved in massive election fraud. Lucky enough, the BBC is not afraid of the extremist right wing party.

When will people wake up and outlaw this Fascist party by bringing them for justice. Will the American public let the election steale again by te Republicans?

After the computerfraude (democrat counties that would be Republican after the election because of a system fraude: D votes there would be registrated as R votes) and the refusal of giving a paper computerprint of your vote (a refusal done by republicans so the fraude continues without a problem), we find the triky party of triky Dick and other gansters latest fraud thank's to a country in wich not all media is Republican or afraid of them. Good old BEEB, the BBC!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

Usually, I dont relly like Britain too much, dont love em, dont hate em. But if they stand up to the Republicans, thats awesome, and as for now, Western Europe has my full support to help us catch the fraud thats at hand. What we need is for the UN to watch this election.

No I'm not. I realize we are all socially conditioned. The difference is I'm aware of it in every thing I do or say. Most people are totally unaware of it. Go through life believing they have free thought.

I dont know about you, but I know for a fact I have free thought. Ill think about whatever I want to, thank you very much. Right now, Im thinking you're someone with a serious case of paranoia. In your theory, society attempts to tell me that I shouldn't think bad things, but at this point and time, Im thinking about all sorts of those things.

Thought is not something you can take away from someone. They may choose not to think, but no outside being, not even society, can tell you what to think......at least not yet.

I dont know about you, but I know for a fact I have free thought. Ill think about whatever I want to, thank you very much. Right now, Im thinking you're someone with a serious case of paranoia. In your theory, society attempts to tell me that I shouldn't think bad things, but at this point and time, Im thinking about all sorts of those things.

Thought is not something you can take away from someone. They may choose not to think, but no outside being, not even society, can tell you what to think......at least not yet.

You don't know what you're talking about. If you were left in a room as a baby and only slipped in food and had no one to teach you any thing.. then you might have free thought.. till that happens, we are all socially conditioned in one way or another.

You don't know what you're talking about. If you were left in a room as a baby and only slipped in food and had no one to teach you any thing.. then you might have free thought.. till that happens, we are all socially conditioned in one way or another.

Hmm.

Actually some absusive parents tried just that, turned out the kid grew up being barely able to think at all.
here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2112gchild.html)

I dont know about you, but I know for a fact I have free thought. Ill think about whatever I want to, thank you very much. Right now, Im thinking you're someone with a serious case of paranoia. In your theory, society attempts to tell me that I shouldn't think bad things, but at this point and time, Im thinking about all sorts of those things.

Thought is not something you can take away from someone. They may choose not to think, but no outside being, not even society, can tell you what to think......at least not yet.

You can train a mouse not to touch cheese by giving it shocks every time it does and at the same time you can train a person not to think certain things by analyzing their brainwaves, identifying which ones equal which thoughts and then shock them every time they have that same brain wave. Not getting into the argument, just thought you both would enjoy the thought. We're all mice if someone wants to go that far :). Really, free thought only exists in our conscious minds anyway, and barely at that. People involuntarily think about things they wouldn't normally think about, you've probably had that moment where you're just walking along thinking about whatever, and then some random image pops up in your head. You didn't intend to think that, but it happened. In our subconscious we have pretty much no control of what we think, and we do think in our sleep, actually we think a lot more than we do when we are awake if we hit REM for a full 8 hours. (REM=Rapid Eye Movement, essentially deep dream sleep). So if you think about it, you have control of your thoughts to an extent, but really after that it's all that animal instinct inside of you from millenia of evolutionary change in our minds. I am full aware of that fact that there is this whole debate on evolution due to the genome discoveries, but that does not entirely defunct evolution as of yet, only partially. Our minds evolve whether we want to think about it or not and there has been a significant growth in brain mass and structure changes over the last 50,000 years or so.

But anway. I'm not getting into the argument, just giving some food for thought for you two and everyone else that's paying attention. I think it's interesting, some might just want to kill me and label me a liberal like they do at work, even though they don't have any proof lol. Peace.

I think you ar e making reference to ACT, a pro-left voter group.

There was an article that misidentified ACORN as being involved in voter manipulation, but it was incorrect. The actual group involved was ACT.

ACORN is concerned with grassroots community organization and does not get involved in national elections.
You are sadly mistaken.

" There are more troubles in Florida Thursday for the left-wing Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (search). Another former employee accused the group of mishandling voter registration forms, meaning many Floridians who thought they would be able to vote this year won't be on the rolls and won't have their votes counted.

Former ACORN employee Mac Stuart was in charge of collecting petitions to put an initiative on the ballot to boost the minimum wage. In the process of collecting signatures, petitioners were asked to fill out voter registration forms."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136942,00.html