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Got no proof, but his dictatorship methods of ruling the US and ignoring foreign governments surely come close to what the nazis did in the 1940s in Germany. Heil Bush, mein Führer!

yeah I know. and did you know he hates jews, too?!? :rolleyes:

I'd have to disagree with you there. If Bush were a NAZI he would never have invaded Iraq. He probably would've helped them accomplish what his father stopped them from accomplishing, the invasion of Kuwait.

Then whats the opposite of Nazi? Is Bush a JEW???

yeah I know. and did you know he hates jews, too?!? :rolleyes:
right...

I think it is strange that you need to call Bush a nazi to critisize him. Sure US is a dictatorship, it is an oligarchy divided by democrats and republicans. But to say that there are similarities between Bush and Hitler is just ignorant and ridiculous. US still has a free press and everyone can start and join organisations of their choice, the state donesn't persecute it's citizens, on what basis do you draw that parallell? And Bush isn't the only head-of state who ignores foreign countries, these thing don't make him nazi, neither "Hitlerian", just a bad president.

I think it is strange that you need to call Bush a nazi to critisize him. Sure US is a dictatorship, it is an oligarchy divided by democrats and republicans. But to say that there are similarities between Bush and Hitler is just ignorant and ridiculous. US still has a free press and everyone can start and join organisations of their choice, the state donesn't persecute it's citizens, on what basis do you draw that parallell? And Bush isn't the only head-of state who ignores foreign countries, these thing don't make him nazi, neither "Hitlerian", just a bad president.
here-here. . .
except for the part where Bush is a bad president...

I think it is strange that you need to call Bush a nazi to critisize him. Sure US is a dictatorship, it is an oligarchy divided by democrats and republicans. But to say that there are similarities between Bush and Hitler is just ignorant and ridiculous. US still has a free press and everyone can start and join organisations of their choice, the state donesn't persecute it's citizens, on what basis do you draw that parallell? And Bush isn't the only head-of state who ignores foreign countries, these thing don't make him nazi, neither "Hitlerian", just a bad president.
1.) The US press is hardly free. It's dominated by corporate interests and partisanship

2.) the state does persecute it's citizens. The Patriot Act I being just one example.

3.) His hate for everything muslim makes him very naziesque. Plus the abuse of christian religion for his criminal activities, is very much like the nazis.

here-here. . .
except for the part where Bush is a bad president...
which he is ... not?

*runs and hides*

No... Bush is not a bad president. And his Christianity gives him his morals and values. He doesn't hate Muslims, just what they do...

No... Bush is not a bad president. And his Christianity gives him his morals and values. He doesn't hate Muslims, just what they do...
he doesn't hate them...he just doesn't let them into his country. problem solved ;)

Then whats the opposite of Nazi? Is Bush a JEW???

You can't use that as your arguement. You are using two extremes. I'm not Jewish, so does that I'm a Nazi?

Gigatron, stop trolling. There are a few similarities between Bush and Hitler, but Bush is still way off Nazism.

Gigatron, stop trolling. There are a few similarities between Bush and Hitler, but Bush is still way off Nazism.

Far away.

Yeah... And Bush was responsible for those Hurricanes that leveled Florida. Not to mention every other natural disaster in the United States.</sarcasm>
When the hell will the Left stop blaming the man for EVERYTHING? Including the freaking weather? Which did happen, BTW. I think some Liberals watched The Day After Tomorrow a few too many times.

Got no proof, but his dictatorship methods of ruling the US and ignoring foreign governments surely come close to what the nazis did in the 1940s in Germany. Heil Bush, mein Führer!

So, when do we have a Canadaschluss? :rolleyes:

Your comment has about less credibility as my saying:
"The average German is a Nazi." :p

Bush definately gets a bad rap for what he does. I would like to see anyone else go into office knowing that what you do every day affects millions. The man is only human. I do believe we are geared more towards a dictatorship right now..it seems like he is making all the decisions and no help from anyone else. But still i think he is doing a good job. Let the man rest ;)

So, when do we have a Canadaschluss? :rolleyes:

Your comment has about less credibility as my saying:
"The average German is a Nazi." :p

LOL.

Yeah I've been waiting for the Canadaschluss for a while.

1.) The US press is hardly free. It's dominated by corporate interests and partisanship

2.) the state does persecute it's citizens. The Patriot Act I being just one example.

3.) His hate for everything muslim makes him very naziesque. Plus the abuse of christian religion for his criminal activities, is very much like the nazis.

1. You can start your own paper here if you want. And many, many people do.

2. Have you *read* the Patriot act? That's hardly persecution.

3. Hate? Right. You can back any of that up?

When Bush burns down Congress and orders every Muslim off to camps then come talk to me of him being a Nazi.

Scheissekopf. :p

1. You can start your own paper here if you want. And many, many people do.

2. Have you *read* the Patriot act? That's hardly persecution.

3. Hate? Right. You can back any of that up?

When Bush burns down Congress and orders every Muslim off to camps then come talk to me of him being a Nazi.

Scheissekopf. :p
Ya know.. he doesnt have to immitate history 100% to be a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had an army. Therfore, any country that has an army is just like Nazi Germany.

:rolleyes:

Ya know.. he doesnt have to immitate history 100% to be a Nazi.
Nazi= the national socialists Adolf Hitler lead. The term national socialist is very simple, a socialist which believes in a government that in at least some ways can support it's citizens. And nationalist, someone who is... nationalistic (I HATE ENGLISH!!!). Bush is neither, he is pure capitalist and patriotic and ignorant, HE IS NOT A NATIONAL SOCIALIST (and probably he wouldn't be nazi as the Catholic church outlawed nazism, and isn't it from there he gets his votes?).

1.) The US press is hardly free. It's dominated by corporate interests and partisanship

Our media is no less free than that of any other government. The BBC is owned publicly and there has been no lack of controversy there either.

2.) the state does persecute it's citizens. The Patriot Act I being just one example.

I do not agree with the PATRIOT ACT, however to say that there is some sort of widespread persecution belies an ignorance of the current state of things in the US

3.) His hate for everything muslim makes him very naziesque. Plus the abuse of christian religion for his criminal activities, is very much like the nazis.

How has he expressed a hate for "everything Muslim"? By declaring it a "religion of peace"? Let's be clear, not all Muslims are guilty of terrorism, but the vast majority of terrorism perpertrated within the past 25 years was at the hand of Muslim radicals.

How has he expressed a hate for "everything Muslim"? By declaring it a "religion of peace"? Let's be clear, not all Muslims are guilty of terrorism, but the vast majority of terrorism perpertrated within the past 25 years was at the hand of Muslim radicals.
I disagree. The vast majority of state-sponsored terrorism was committed by the United States of America.

Isn't there some sort of rule in debate where the debate ends when somebody brings up Hitler?

I just can't accept that you critisize Bush for being a nazi instead of discussing the enourmos capitalism and social IN-security that he stands for... (and NO I am NOT a Kerry supporter, I'd vote Nader, but I am just a silly European so what the heck...)

I disagree. The vast majority of state-sponsored terrorism was committed by the United States of America.

I disagree....the majority of terrorism commited in later part of the 20th century has been done so by Islamic radicals, and any redefining of the word 'terrorism' does not change that fact.

there's more to being a nazi than being an international prick. Nazis tend to babble about racism, and the superiority of a single race. I really haven't heard Bush say anything like "Burn the A-rabs" or "Nuke some towelhead ass". So, there is just a little bit of rebuttal, DOOM!

*fluffs his post count*

I think it is strange that you need to call Bush a nazi to critisize him. Sure US is a dictatorship, it is an oligarchy divided by democrats and republicans. But to say that there are similarities between Bush and Hitler is just ignorant and ridiculous. US still has a free press and everyone can start and join organisations of their choice, the state donesn't persecute it's citizens, on what basis do you draw that parallell? And Bush isn't the only head-of state who ignores foreign countries, these thing don't make him nazi, neither "Hitlerian", just a bad president.

Of course no one needs to call Bush a Nazi to criticize him - there are too many things he has messed up! You can be a right-winger and have problems with Bush.

However, comparing the Bush presidency to the rise to power of Hitler and the Nazi Party in 1930s Germany is not spurious; there are many similarities. The trends we see are indeed much closer to Facism than to Democracy. Consolidation of state power, militarism, ultra-Patriotism, complete disregard for dissent and consensus both at the national and international level, extraordinary executive powers and myopic populist ideologies - we even have our own Reichstag in the form of 9/11. And just like the Reichstag event, the perpetrator of 9/11 keeps changing.

Is Bush Hitler yet? No. Is he jack-boot marching down that road? Most certainly.

Bush isn't a Nazi!

Tho his grandpappy Prescott did do business with them . . .

1.) The US press is hardly free. It's dominated by corporate interests and partisanship

But you can start a newspaper without getting ten-thoiusands of Bush-youth upon you.

2.) the state does persecute it's citizens. The Patriot Act I being just one example.

Well at least it counts for other reasons than "(just) you are evil members of some sort of illuminati". I don't agree with it but it is for national security after all.

3.) His hate for everything muslim makes him very naziesque. Plus the abuse of christian religion for his criminal activities, is very much like the nazis.
When has he ever stated that? Plus, nazis didn't hate muslims, there was a muslim waffen-ss in yugoslavia, and today they work together with revesionistic muslims as well, Ahem Rahmi for example...

I disagree. The vast majority of state-sponsored terrorism was committed by the United States of America.
You're just an angsty german. Take a seat.

Bush isn't a Nazi!

Tho his grandpappy Prescott did do business with them . . .
There were a lot of people who did business with the Nazis.

I disagree....the majority of terrorism commited in later part of the 20th century has been done so by Islamic radicals, and any redefining of the word 'terrorism' does not change that fact.

What makes you think the original poster was redefining terrorism? He just qualified it as being state-sponsored as opposed to sponsored by a non-state entity or individual.

What is YOUR definition of terror? That is the real question we all need to ask ourselves.

Ya know.. he doesnt have to immitate history 100% to be a Nazi.

I'd be happy if you could prove 10%!

Let me put it to you this way: if you can decisively name ANY way Bush is Nazi like, I can name NINE ways he isn't.

Of course no one needs to call Bush a Nazi to criticize him - there are too many things he has messed up! You can be a right-winger and have problems with Bush.

However, comparing the Bush presidency to the rise to power of Hitler and the Nazi Party in 1930s Germany is not spurious; there are many similarities. The trends we see are indeed much closer to Facism than to Democracy. Consolidation of state power, militarism, ultra-Patriotism, complete disregard for dissent and consensus both at the national and international level, extraordinary executive powers and myopic populist ideologies - we even have our own Reichstag in the form of 9/11. And just like the Reichstag event, the perpetrator of 9/11 keeps changing.

Is Bush Hitler yet? No. Is he jack-boot marching down that road? Most certainly.
I agree that he stands for an AUTHOURIAN (I am tired now, don't complain about my english) view. But I won't acept that he shows that kind of dis-respect to Hitler's victims by comparing the situation in US and the third reich and state that Bush is a nazi, I just simply won't do that...

You may have heard this one.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

There were a lot of people who did business with the Nazis.

True, but most of them don't claim to be the ultimate defenders of freedom and democracy or speak to God.

True, but most of them don't claim to be the ultimate defenders of freedom and democracy or speak to God.
Did Prescott?

You're just an angsty german. Take a seat.
You are just an arrogant American nutjob fascist. Go away.

I disagree....the majority of terrorism commited in later part of the 20th century has been done so by Islamic radicals, and any redefining of the word 'terrorism' does not change that fact.

Incorrect.

You are just an arrogant American nutjob fascist. Go away.
uhm. please don't say that. that's not nice.

I'd have to say less a nazi...more a fascist...w/ one added twist, if you're rich it's because you're one of god's chosen (as evidenced by your prosperity) and if you are poor or ill it is because you've displeased god ( as evidenced by your condition) therefore to HELP the poor would be to subvert god's will...damned liberals, "They're trying to subvert god's will!" :headbang:

No... Bush is not a bad president. And his Christianity gives him his morals and values. He doesn't hate Muslims, just what they do...

And what do Muslims do? Bomb people, right? WRONG! That is only a small fraction of their population who have been mislead. A VERY SMALL FRACTION!

Until we stop having presidential elections every 4 years, no standing president can be called a dictator, no matter how skewed his policies are. Castro is a dictator. Hussein was a dictator. Our president is an elected official, and the definition of same doesn't change just because you may not like his policies.

-Jon

Supreme Potentate of Capricornucopia

I'd have to say less a nazi...more a fascist...w/ one added twist, if you're rich it's because you're one of god's chosen (as evidenced by your prosperity) and if you are poor or ill it is because you've displeased god ( as evidenced by your condition) therefore to HELP the poor would be to subvert god's will...damned liberals, "They're trying to subvert god's will!" :headbang:
Yes, fascism would be a perfect way to describe Bush (not yet thoug, people can still vote against him). A strong government taking no social responsability and giving free hands to corporations,woth a slight touch of nationalism, that's our Georgie boy!

there's more to being a nazi than being an international prick. Nazis tend to babble about racism, and the superiority of a single race. I really haven't heard Bush say anything like "Burn the A-rabs" or "Nuke some towelhead ass". So, there is just a little bit of rebuttal, DOOM!
So, we can all agree that Bush is an international prick? Good. Now on to other aspects of his vileness.

Hussein was elected president of Iraq. Just like Musharraf is elected president of Pakistan. Bush however is appointed emperor of the U.S.

Yes, fascism would be a perfect way to describe Bush (not yet thoug, people can still vote against him). A strong government taking no social responsability and giving free hands to corporations,woth a slight touch of nationalism, that's our Georgie boy!
Ah! Bush has said however that "a dictatorship would be easier" and we know George is ALLL about easier! ;)

I can't stand this guy bush what a menatlly retarded moron who can't handle anythin

You are just an arrogant American nutjob fascist. Go away.

Okay, you Germans need to go about 10 generations of not stuffing Jews in ovens before I believe any of this neo-hippy peace mongering horse shit.

When has he ever stated that? Plus, nazis didn't hate muslims, there was a muslim waffen-ss in yugoslavia, and today they work together with revesionistic muslims as well, Ahem Rahmi for example...
They did, however, hate all semitic, or mideastern, peoples. Some muslims, like the persians, were Aryan and his allies.

Btw, you do realize Bush once said that only evangelical christians who took the bible at a literal interpretation were allowed into heaven?

And I believe that, while there are some creepy parallels, Bush is not a sober war hero and therefore the two hardly compare, although becoming a Nazi is beginning to look more moderate than a republican.

Okay, you Germans need to go about 10 generations of not stuffing Jews in ovens before I believe any of this neo-hippy peace mongering horse shit.

Yeah, this is extremely uncalled for.

Until we stop having presidential elections every 4 years, no standing president can be called a dictator, no matter how skewed his policies are. Castro is a dictator. Hussein was a dictator. Our president is an elected official, and the definition of same doesn't change just because you may not like his policies.

-Jon

Supreme Potentate of Capricornucopia
Bush got 10,000 popular votes less than Gore... what was that about elections again?

Okay, you Germans need to go about 10 generations of not stuffing Jews in ovens before I believe any of this neo-hippy peace mongering horse shit.
Does 'you Germans' include my two Nazi-hating German friends, one of which was about ready to slug some kid for saying his grandfather was a Nazi? (his gramps was NOT one. he was in the German army against his will; he fucking hated Nazis)

Bush got 10,000 popular votes less than Gore... what was that about elections again?
Thats not the way elections are run in the US. Although to say Saddam's 99.9% "election" is more valid than George Bush's just shows that Gigatron is on the level of MKULTRA.

I disagree that Bush could ever have the kind of power that Hitler had. First, America would have to be greatly weakened for anything like that to go on. Remember, a lot of the German's hate was generated by the penalties they received from their involvement in WWI. America is too strong now, and no one here could do what Hitler once did.

I do however agree that there are similarities. And I don't understand why other people don't see that. Why do people vote for a president who is really screwing our country over?

Not to mention, we have completely reversed our stance on the situation. You will still to this day get told in school that when you are getting harassed or bullied, you should ignore it. Eventually, the taunts will end. And often times that does work. However, what kind of message are we sending our children now? We were attacked, and we decided to wage war not just against Bin Laden, but also in Iraq... GWB says we will not just sit on the side lines. I agree that something has to be done to some of the more extreme terrorists, but not on such a high key level.

Anyways, I think that Bush has already planted the seed and we are in a tough situation. The fact is, we will be occupying Iraq for some time now. If Bush can get enough people to share his views and morals, and become president... it is possible to set up a sort of regime. Perhaps you could call it a democratic dictatorship. (Meaning it isn't a full dictatorship. Don't say, "But people could still vote, it isn't a dictatorship!" I am just saying it is something that I don't believe has a title yet.)

So we need to stand up as citizens and realize what is going on. The first move we should make is not on the battlefield, but at home. Rid our large dependancy on oil. If we combine our forces with other countrie's forces around the world (especially seeing as how they are almost all paying more for their oil than us) then we can rid most of our dependency realatively quickly. At this point, we could begin leaving Iraq nearly worry free. If they have no oil, they have no power. If there is no power, the terrorists may not feel a strong reason to go there.

But most of that is unreasonable.

Got no proof, but his dictatorship methods of ruling the US and ignoring foreign governments surely come close to what the nazis did in the 1940s in Germany. Heil Bush, mein Führer!

*laughs, and laughs, and laughs*

I'm sure that the quarter million Jews, gays and gypsies imprisoned by the Good Führer Bush would agree with you. If I didn't think that NS was absurdly far left before, this proves it.

Actually Sup, yeah it does, because your nation elected those people, your nation gave those people some power.

Your grandparents took the right to comment on American aggression away from you.

People you knew growing up, people you can walk up to and say hi to today played some role in some way somehow in murdering six million innocent people. And let me tell you something, the spirit followers of those people today are not the Americans, it's the Muslims, who also want the extermination of the Jewish race.

NO WONDER YOU SUPPORT THEM, IT'S ALL SO CLEAR NOW.

What makes you think the original poster was redefining terrorism? He just qualified it as being state-sponsored as opposed to sponsored by a non-state entity or individual.

What is YOUR definition of terror? That is the real question we all need to ask ourselves.

Boy...I didn't realize this entire debate hinged on my definition of "terrorism".

For the sake of debate, I think Wiki's definition is pretty good...

"Terrorism refers to the methodology of using violence to incite a fearful reaction from a civilian population, for the purpose of achieving a political, religious, or social goal. Terrorist acts can be carried out by individuals, groups, or governments."

I'd have to say less a nazi...more a fascist...w/ one added twist, if you're rich it's because you're one of god's chosen (as evidenced by your prosperity) and if you are poor or ill it is because you've displeased god ( as evidenced by your condition) therefore to HELP the poor would be to subvert god's will...damned liberals, "They're trying to subvert god's will!" :headbang: I agree, Bush is a social Darwinist; meaning he thinks the rich are rich becuase they are superioror "Gods chosen". So Bush tries to benefit them at the expsense of the "sinners"(the poor).To bad it is said in the bible that a nation is to be judged by how its treats its worst off.
I love Irony :)

Gigatron, stop trolling. There are a few similarities between Bush and Hitler, but Bush is still way off Nazism.

Hear hear!

Boy...I didn't realize this entire debate hinged on my definition of "terrorism".

For the sake of debate, I think Wiki's definition is pretty good...

"Terrorism refers to the methodology of using violence to incite a fearful reaction from a civilian population, for the purpose of achieving a political, religious, or social goal. Terrorist acts can be carried out by individuals, groups, or governments."

Right. And your claim that Islamic extremists are the main perpetrators of terrorism is not correct.

Incorrect.


Way to support your contention. Woowoo

Way to support your contention. Woowoo

It's got about as much evidence as you provided.

What's up with all of this bashing of Germans? I think that most of them just want to say, "fiek euch!"

Most Germans do not agree in any way with what Hitler did. So drop it.... one of the dumbest things you can do is to say that they do agree with what happened. I hate ign'ant people. That's like saying that everyone in the US who isn't colored is a member of the Klug Klux Klan.

Bush got 10,000 popular votes less than Gore... what was that about elections again?

You are aware that the USA does NOT have direct representation, right? NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the winner of the popular vote is elected.

Bush got 10,000 popular votes less than Gore... what was that about elections again?

Civics 101...Popular votes do not determine the presidency

Civics 101...Popular votes do not determine the presidency
Which is undemocratic.

Got no proof, but his dictatorship methods of ruling the US and ignoring foreign governments surely come close to what the nazis did in the 1940s in Germany. Heil Bush, mein Führer!

Sure, Bush is a sucky President, but comparing him to Hitler is going a little TOO far. The only President I can think of who remains me of Hitler is Abraham Lincoln.

Which is undemocratic.
How many Western countries are true democracies and not republics?

I agree that he stands for an AUTHOURIAN (I am tired now, don't complain about my english) view. But I won't acept that he shows that kind of dis-respect to Hitler's victims by comparing the situation in US and the third reich and state that Bush is a nazi, I just simply won't do that...

I suppose you wouldnt dis-respect Mary Cheney by calling her a lesbian either, eh? Funny thing is, your moral imperative does nothing for the victims of discrimination. The victims of facism are many, Jews, gays, Communists, Socialists and anyone else considered enemies of the State.

I did not compare the US to the 3rd Reich - but to the setup for the 3rd Reich. Check the history books and we can prevent it or something similar from happening again.

I agree, Bush is a social Darwinist; meaning he thinks the rich are rich becuase they are superioror "Gods chosen". So Bush tries to benefit them at the expsense of the "sinners"(the poor).To bad it is said in the bible that a nation is to be judged by how its treats its worst off.
I love Irony :)
But you see Bush doesn't read...he has "people" who do that for him.

That's like saying that everyone in the US who isn't colored is a member of the Klug Klux Klan.

You mean the Klueless Klutz Klan? :p

What's up with all of this bashing of Germans? I think that most of them just want to say, "fiek euch!"

Most Germans do not agree in any way with what Hitler did. So drop it.... one of the dumbest things you can do is to say that they do agree with what happened. I hate ign'ant people. That's like saying that everyone in the US who isn't colored is a member of the Klug Klux Klan.

....or as stupid and ignorant as equating Bush to Hitler.

Sure, Bush is a sucky President, but comparing him to Hitler is going a little TOO far. The only President I can think of who remains me of Hitler is Abraham Lincoln.

Wouldn't it be the other way around, since Lincoln came before Hitler?

Bush is not as fascist. He wouldn't win an election if he was, as that would make him too extreme. Mainstream presidential candidates in the United States tend to hover at the inner edges of their respective sides-they have to in order to please as many people as they can.

This is one reason why left- or right-wing extremists like Nader or Badnarik will never win a presidential election-their views won't satisfy the American people. Sure, any nutjob who gets enough signatures can get on the ballot, but if they aren't oriented right, not enough people will vote for them.

It's like picking a number between 1 and 10. Your chances of winning are greater if you choose 4, 5, or 6 than if you choose 1 or 10.

The American People are not as stupid as many (read:many, not all) of you Europeans make us out to be. Sure, while it is sad that water consumption is greater at half time in the Super Bowl than at any other time during the year (a wonderful indicator of where our culture is going), when it comes to serious issues, we generally make the right choices.

The beauty of American Democracy is that if we are dissatisfied with someone, all we have to do is vote them out of office (if we REALLY don't like them, we can recall them before their term is up, like Grey Davis). Politicians, with their power-hungry mindsets, will therefore do whatever is nessicary to stay in power-generally by pleasing the American people. I can tell you that a great many people in the United States are dissatified with the war in Iraq (close to 50%), and that the election next week is going to be so close that it will squeak.

So stop degrading our leaders with your obviously skewed perspectives. If we really were fascist Nazi's, then we would have been invaded and conqured long ago, as the effect you have described has been going on since about the Spanish-American war.

Which is undemocratic.
Main Entry: dem·o·crat·ic
Pronunciation: "de-m&-'kra-tik
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or favoring democracy
2 often capitalized : of or relating to one of the two major political parties in the U.S. evolving in the early 19th century from the anti-federalists and the Democratic-Republican party and associated in modern times with policies of broad social reform and internationalism
3 : relating to, appealing to, or available to the broad masses of the people <democratic art>
4 : favoring social equality : not snobbish
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=democratic

So... care to expand on your comment?

Well gigatron, your ability to say these things about the leader of a country in a public place and not be hunted down and shot immediatly :sniper:. Shows that there is far more freedom for you than if bush was in any way comparable to hitler's or other dictator's rules in their time of power. So how about you be quiet and be happy with what you have.

Sure, Bush is a sucky President, but comparing him to Hitler is going a little TOO far. The only President I can think of who remains me of Hitler is Abraham Lincoln.

What?

The only thing worth saying is that anyone who thinks that Bush is a nazi is a complete and utter idiot.

It's got about as much evidence as you provided.

Let's see...here's a list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

Ah, so now the Constitution isn't good enough for you.
Seriously, am I the only one on these forums who is sick of being called an 'Imperialistic, evangelistic, racist, uninformed, redneck, American scumbag' just because I happen to inhabit a part of the planet with policies that some don't agree with?
To get back to the point. Calling someone a Nazi is a great way for logical thinking to give way to mindless name calling, chest thumping and general posturing in a debate. Have a look at my first post. Or all of the anti-German wanking about that has been going on.

The only thing worth saying is that anyone who thinks that Bush is a nazi is a complete and utter idiot.
LOOK!! someone said something intelligent!!

Bush is not as fascist. He wouldn't win an election if he was, as that would make him too extreme....

...The beauty of American Democracy is that if we are dissatisfied with someone, all we have to do is vote them out of office (if we REALLY don't like them, we can recall them before their term is up, like Grey Davis). Politicians, with their power-hungry mindsets, will therefore do whatever is nessicary to stay in power-generally by pleasing the American people. I can tell you that a great many people in the United States are dissatified with the war in Iraq (close to 50%), and that the election next week is going to be so close that it will squeak.

So stop degrading our leaders with your obviously skewed perspectives. If we really were fascist Nazi's, then we would have been invaded and conqured long ago, as the effect you have described has been going on since about the Spanish-American war.
This is where god comes in! I believe a large portion of Americans who intend to vote for Bush can't get past their religious beleifs to take a hard look at this administration's policies and their long term effects...it's hard to plan for the future when the RAPTURE is just around the corner! :gundge:

Right. And your claim that Islamic extremists are the main perpetrators of terrorism is not correct.

Currently...yes, they are the main. Historically, since the 70's they're at least the strong plurality

Sure, Bush is a sucky President, but comparing him to Hitler is going a little TOO far. The only President I can think of who remains me of Hitler is Abraham Lincoln.

Do everyone a favor. Hold your breath, and count to a thousand.

What?

Lincoln was a very brutal dictator. He launched a military invasion without Congress's consent, suspended habeus corpus, imprisoned thousands of Northern citizens in concentration camps without trial merely for criticizing his policies, censored all telegraph communication, imprisoned dozens of opposition newspaper publishers, used federal troops to impose his re-election, deported a member of Congress just for disagreeing with him, confiscated all firearms, etc.

LOOK!! someone said something intelligent!!


Thank you for agreeing that even making this thread was one stupid idea.

Actually Sup, yeah it does, because your nation elected those people, your nation gave those people some power.

Your grandparents took the right to comment on American aggression away from you.

NO WONDER YOU SUPPORT THEM, IT'S ALL SO CLEAR NOW.
*flame on*

STFU asshole - IT WAS MY FRIEND'S GRADFATHER (NOT MINE) WHO WAS IN THE ARMY, NOT THE GODDAMN NAZI PARTY! AND MY GRANDPARENTS WERE FIGHTING AGAINST THEM YOU INSOLENT JERK!

*/flame off*

This is where god comes in! I believe a large portion of Americans who intend to vote for Bush can't get past their religious beleifs to take a hard look at this administration's policies and their long term effects...it's hard to plan for the future when the RAPTURE is just around the corner! :gundge:

This constant equating of all GOP members to religious fanatics is really idiotic.

Which is undemocratic.


That's silly. If that were true, one could say that anything short of direct democracy (by which I mean, short of each voter voting on each piece of legislation) is undemocratic.

Do everyone a favor. Hold your breath, and count to a thousand.

Read, for example, The Real Lincoln, by Thomas DiLorenzo. It has its faults (it is, for example, extremely biased in some parts), but is meticulously researched (and most of the evidence was drawn from pro-Lincoln sources) and is a damn good read.

Main Entry: dem·o·crat·ic
Pronunciation: "de-m&-'kra-tik
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or favoring democracy
2 often capitalized : of or relating to one of the two major political parties in the U.S. evolving in the early 19th century from the anti-federalists and the Democratic-Republican party and associated in modern times with policies of broad social reform and internationalism
3 : relating to, appealing to, or available to the broad masses of the people <democratic art>
4 : favoring social equality : not snobbish
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=democratic

So... care to expand on your comment?

Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -cies
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government —dem·o·crat·ic /"de-m&-'kra-tik/ adjective —dem·o·crat·i·cal·ly adverb

The electoral college system makes the entire election process of the U.S. vulnerable to corruption and partisanship. It is not the direct rule of the people as seen in 2000 when Bush stole the presidency.

1.) The US press is hardly free. It's dominated by corporate interests and partisanship

2.) the state does persecute it's citizens. The Patriot Act I being just one example.

3.) His hate for everything muslim makes him very naziesque. Plus the abuse of christian religion for his criminal activities, is very much like the nazis.

1. Your quote about the press is silly. Anyone can start and run their own press in America, promoting or deriding any view they see as appropriate. That is the very definition of free press. The term "press" is a very broad thing and is not controlled by abcbsnbcfox.

2. Cite a single example of a citizen persecuted under the Patriot Act.

3. Actually, look up a history book. The Nazi's and the Muslims got along pretty well because they both hated the Jews.

all we have to do is vote them out of office

Except in cases where they get in anyway even if they were voted out, like Bush. Do you call that the beauty of democracy?

Lincoln was a very brutal dictator. He launched a military invasion without Congress's consent, suspended habeus corpus, imprisoned thousands of Northern citizens in concentration camps without trial merely for criticizing his policies, censored all telegraph communication, imprisoned dozens of opposition newspaper publishers, used federal troops to impose his re-election, deported a member of Congress just for disagreeing with him, confiscated all firearms, etc.

You are the dumbest person I've ever met. Just shut the hell up with your outlandish and retarded comments. If the government isn't sending out people to kill you they should. :mp5: Now I'm sounding like you!

Let's see...here's a list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

Wow, good list.

I'm seeing alot of this "Provisional Irish Republic Army" on that list. I wonder who they are.

I disagree that Bush could ever have the kind of power that Hitler had. First, America would have to be greatly weakened for anything like that to go on. Remember, a lot of the German's hate was generated by the penalties they received from their involvement in WWI. America is too strong now, and no one here could do what Hitler once did.


Very true, and the capitalist elite would probably not want this to happen as it will just divide the world into seperate economic zones as opposed to the global system they profit from.

However, remember the Little Blue Engine that Could. Don't underestimate the Neo-cons and the single-minded theocrats, nor the ability for the masses to behave as sheep when frightened. The only requirement for facism to take hold is for the People to let it.

Normally this would be a good time to say that this thread has degenerated into something way off the point and nowhere near the intelligence level of the original post, but it would be a lie to say so.

That's silly. If that were true, one could say that anything short of direct democracy (by which I mean, short of each voter voting on each piece of legislation) is undemocratic.
Everything where the people cannot directly exercise their political will is undemocratic. Only democracy as found in ancient Greece, is truly democratic. Everything else is republic or representative "democracy" - not truly democratic as per definition.

Read, for example, The Real Lincoln, by Thomas DiLorenzo. It has its faults (it is, for example, extremely biased in some parts), but is meticulously researched (and most of the evidence was drawn from pro-Lincoln sources) and is a damn good read.

So if I read a dozen books on Lincoln, including this one, I will equate him to Hitler?

Read, for example, The Real Lincoln, by Thomas DiLorenzo. It has its faults (it is, for example, extremely biased in some parts), but is meticulously researched (and most of the evidence was drawn from pro-Lincoln sources) and is a damn good read.

Any text about Lincoln that is short of beatification will certainly rile the masses!

The only thing worth saying is that anyone who thinks that Bush is a nazi is a complete and utter idiot.

As a member of the CT delegation, I give you props.

Normally this would be a good time to say that this thread has degenerated into something way off the point and nowhere near the intelligence level of the original post, but it would be a lie to say so.


This was never an intellegent conversation.

1. Your quote about the press is silly. Anyone can start and run their own press in America, promoting or deriding any view they see as appropriate. That is the very definition of free press. The term "press" is a very broad thing and is not controlled by abcbsnbcfox.


Dude, it's ABCNNBCBS, a division of Fox.

Wow, good list.

I'm seeing alot of this "Provisional Irish Republic Army" on that list. I wonder who they are.


Hmmm....interesting that I stated "a strong plurality"...not ALL or 100%...

And how's that whole Ireland mess doing today? Settled down a bit hasn't it?

You are just an arrogant American nutjob fascist. Go away.

did someone forget to tell you that the opinion of some everyday crazy-ass german doesnt matter?

You are the dumbest person I've ever met. Just shut the hell up with your outlandish and retarded comments. If the government isn't sending out people to kill you they should. :mp5: Now I'm sounding like you!
Knock off the flaming. Repeat offenses will get you forum banned.

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Bush definately gets a bad rap for what he does. I would like to see anyone else go into office knowing that what you do every day affects millions. The man is only human. I do believe we are geared more towards a dictatorship right now..it seems like he is making all the decisions and no help from anyone else. But still i think he is doing a good job. Let the man rest ;)

Tell that to the 99 in the senate that approved his Patriot Act bill. Since when does a dictatorship allow oppoising parties not only to form, but lets them into office. How many dictatorships do you know let their autocrat debate political opposition on TV without editing. If the newspapers and magazines are really chained by corporations and Bush; how is it that there are dozens of editorials on how bad corporations are? How is it that we have seperated state and municipal governments that act quasi autonomously?
Do you people even know what a dictatorship is? Obviously not if you call the US one....

You are just an arrogant American nutjob fascist. Go away.

did someone forget to tell you that the opinion of some everyday crazy-ass german doesnt matter?
Flaming, etc, etc, I'm beginning to see absolutely no reason to keep this thread open...

You are the dumbest person I've ever met. Just shut the hell up with your outlandish and retarded comments. If the government isn't sending out people to kill you they should. :mp5: Now I'm sounding like you!

Not bad, considering you've never read the book I mentioned above.

Knock off the flaming. Repeat offenses will get you forum banned.

Unfree People
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You got it, got a little steemed due to the lack of intellegence from these guys.

Everything where the people cannot directly exercise their political will is undemocratic. Only democracy as found in ancient Greece, is truly democratic. Everything else is republic or representative "democracy" - not truly democratic as per definition.


Okay...then we can say with certainty that democracy does not exist. In this circumstance, there are no democratic nations on the planet. Fine by me...but no real case to state that the election of Bush is any less democratic than the election of anyone else.

Not bad, considering you've never read the book I mentioned above.

Because every book ever written is factual and not crap hugh?? The book you mentioned is pure crap.

This constant equating of all GOP members to religious fanatics is really idiotic.
Did I say ALL? No, I didn't. I know there are those out there who believe... that government oversight of corporations is invasive...

That an individual should be able to own whatever implements of destruction he chooses...

That the poor and ill are wholely resposible for their own condition...

That you should only have to pay for education if you have a child to educate...

That the environment is self cleansing...

That there is no global warming or that global warming is good for US interests...

Basically, I got mine F**k the rest of you!!!

But, some people can't see past fetuses and faith to the rest of the issues...they are unable to see that claiming to be a man of faith doesn't make you moral or infallible.

1. Your quote about the press is silly. Anyone can start and run their own press in America, promoting or deriding any view they see as appropriate. That is the very definition of free press. The term "press" is a very broad thing and is not controlled by abcbsnbcfox.

2. Cite a single example of a citizen persecuted under the Patriot Act.

3. Actually, look up a history book. The Nazi's and the Muslims got along pretty well because they both hated the Jews.
http://www.aclu.org/safeandfree/safeandfree.cfm?id=14609&c=206



And, the Department of Justice was harshly criticized by its own internal watchdog this past June for its quasi-formal no-bond, no-release policy for the hundreds of largely Arab and Muslim men detained in the weeks and months after 9/11. Practically all of these detainees, some of whom languished behind bars for up to three months without seeing a lawyer, were found to have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.

It's no secret that Guantanamo Bay is a modern concentration camp.

Because every book ever written is factual and not crap hugh?? The book you mentioned is pure crap.

Have you even read it?

Got no proof, but his dictatorship methods of ruling the US and ignoring foreign governments surely come close to what the nazis did in the 1940s in Germany. Heil Bush, mein Führer!

you are a moron and this thread is completely dumb...unless you just like to be insulted

Okay...then we can say with certainty that democracy does not exist. In this circumstance, there are no democratic nations on the planet. Fine by me...but no real case to state that the election of Bush is any less democratic than the election of anyone else.
Bush was not elected by the people, he was put in power by a supreme court ruling, which ended the counting of florida votes. The commission headed by a partisan woman who gave him the crown of the U.S. empire did the rest.

Dude, it's ABCNNBCBS, a division of Fox.

Whole lot better than government censorship and regulation of the press in U.K, France, Canada etc. Yes and America is the only one that fears Islamic fundamentalism? Tell me what is the point of censoring all American music and movies in France? I highly doubt that form of Xenophobia is America. What was the point in taking away Islamic headscarfs and other forms of religious expression?
Oh thats right more Xenophobic hatred!! Seems like you should be more worried about France.

It's no secret that Guantanamo Bay is a modern concentration camp.
Given your country's history, you think you'd know more about what concentration camps and the conditions there were.

Flaming, etc, etc, I'm beginning to see absolutely no reason to keep this thread open...


That's why we can ignore people who just lob grenades....

Have you even read it?

I don't need to read it. If you think it supports your ignorant theories then it's crap. Nothing that supports this crap you are speaking can be anything other than CRAP!

Bush was not elected by the people, he was put in power by a supreme court ruling, which ended the counting of florida votes aswell as a commission headed by a partisan woman.
It ended the unconstitutional recount of votes in only Democratic-heavy districts.

lol, stupid people.

Flaming, barely on topic, personal attacks, flamebait, some trolling...

Locked.

Unfree People
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