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This is for white people only.

Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 00:38
This is for white people only.



This isn't racist because I'm white. Do you guys think we should make a white region and what should its name be if so?*







* Gentle satire/pastiche.
Togarmah
26-10-2004, 00:42
Well I think you have to be a little clearer. White people is too broad. I need more facts about religion, sexual orientation &ct.
Stephistan
26-10-2004, 00:43
I'm "white" and I think that would be a racist thing to do. Just my opinion.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 00:44
I'm "white" and I think that would be a racist thing to do. Just my opinion.

Basically it was a post very weakly satirizing this thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=368263

This is for jewish people only.



this isnt racist because im jewish. Do u guys think we should make a jewish region and what should its name be if so.


I'll ignore the fact that despite being Jewish the original poster believes the Jews to be a race, rather than a religious community...
United White Front
26-10-2004, 00:46
I'm "white" and I think that would be a racist thing to do. Just my opinion.
why whats wrong with wanting to be around you ownd kind


that said


there is a white region in ns

white world
Stephistan
26-10-2004, 00:48
Basically it was a post very weakly satirizing this thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=368263



I'll ignore the fact that despite being Jewish the original poster believes the Jews to be a race, rather than a religious community...

Ah, point taken. :)
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 00:49
why whats wrong with wanting to be around you ownd kind


that said


there is a white region in ns

white world

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't the founder of that region have the 'porch monkey' as their national animal until very recently?
Buben
26-10-2004, 00:50
Other people seem to congragate in there own ethicnic forums, but when whities try it's always racist! :confused: :(
Bobslovakia
26-10-2004, 00:50
Basically it was a post very weakly satirizing this thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=368263



I'll ignore the fact that despite being Jewish the original poster believes the Jews to be a race, rather than a religious community...

actually it's both :)
United White Front
26-10-2004, 00:51
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't the founder of that region have the 'porch monkey' as their national animal until very recently?
yes why?
Chodolo
26-10-2004, 00:53
Other people seem to congragate in there own ethicnic forums, but when whities try it's always racist! :confused: :(
It's not necessarily racist (I say "necessarily" because United White Front is indeed a neo-Nazi racist). More often it's out of ignorance.

If anyone wants to segregate off into your own little ethnic clusters, be it white, black, Jewish, whatever, go ahead. But I will laugh at you.

(btw, I'm multiracial. Where do I go? :()
Stephistan
26-10-2004, 00:54
Other people seem to congragate in there own ethicnic forums, but when whities try it's always racist! :confused: :(

I dunno, I'm Canadian.. I have "White" friends, "Jewish" friends "Muslim" friends, "Black" friends.."Conservative" friends, "Liberal" friends, so on and so forth. I don't decide who I shall hang with or be friends with based on the colour of ones skin, I base it on common interests, respect, sense of humor. The colour of some ones skin and or their religion (as long as not pushed on me) is quite irrelevant.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 00:54
yes why?

Just that it was against the site rules, and hardly fit into the category of creating an impression that all they wanted there was to be "around you ownd kind" (sic).
United White Front
26-10-2004, 00:54
(btw, I'm multiracial. Where do I go? :()
must hold toung
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 00:55
actually it's both :)

Ah, so if I was to convert to Judaism I would then change race?
HadesRulesMuch
26-10-2004, 00:56
You are wasting your time if you are trying to prove that Front is a Nazi. he admits it. That said, white people are the only people without freedom of speech. F*** us. We suck. We should just go away so everyone has someone else to blame their troubles on.
United White Front
26-10-2004, 00:56
Just that it was against the site rules, and hardly fit into the category of creating an impression that all they wanted there was to be "around you ownd kind" (sic).
well that nation did go to 932 mill i think having it from day one, it was warned by mods and the animal was changed
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 00:58
well that nation did go to 932 mill i think having it from day one, it was warned by mods and the animal was changed

Yes, presumably true, but you seem to be avoiding the point here: such inappropriate national animals strongly suggest that the motivation for the region was not just to be "around you ownd kind", but also to spread the idea that other races are somehow inferior - that it is in essence a racist region. This is, of course, well within the rules of the site, but you are trying to put something of a positive spin on the region and so misrepresent it.
United White Front
26-10-2004, 01:00
i never denied that fact
btw i got that animal from an old joke
Chodolo
26-10-2004, 01:00
must hold toung
Bring it fucker :p

and your spelling is shit...
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 01:02
Bring it fucker :p

and your spelling is shit...


In the words of Noel Coward - "don't let's be beastly to the Hun".
United White Front
26-10-2004, 01:03
Bring it fucker :p

and your spelling is shit...
i dont want a forum ban
flamebaiter
Gigatron
26-10-2004, 01:05
Hey, my gay only people thread got locked. Boohoo :P
Chodolo
26-10-2004, 01:05
i dont want a forum ban
flamebaiter
Nazi.

(LOL)
Farmanhouse
26-10-2004, 01:07
why did you get warned for your animal?
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 01:07
Hey, my gay only people thread got locked. Boohoo :P

On the basis of being a gay only thread, or for other reasons?
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 01:07
why whats wrong with wanting to be around you ownd kind


Yes .... your kind is ownd.
Skibereen
26-10-2004, 01:07
actually it's both :)
No it is not.
Semetic is not soley Hebrew, nor is it soley Jewish.
Not all Jews are Semetic and not all Semetics are Jews.
That is fact.
Therefore if I convert convert to Judaism do I suddenly convert races?
No of course not.
If a semite is not of the Judaic faith is he no longer a Semite?
No of course not.
Jew does not equal both a race and a religious group--except in the case of improper usage.
United White Front
26-10-2004, 01:07
Nazi.
thankyou
Global Liberators
26-10-2004, 01:08
It's not necessarily racist (I say "necessarily" because United White Front is indeed a neo-Nazi racist). More often it's out of ignorance.

If anyone wants to segregate off into your own little ethnic clusters, be it white, black, Jewish, whatever, go ahead. But I will laugh at you.

(btw, I'm multiracial. Where do I go? :()

Go to the Global Liberation Army!

Our region is open to all who want to fight for their freedom from the USA.

Well, if you like the USA you probably dont wanna join us :d
Israelities et Buddist
26-10-2004, 01:08
wow lets not misinterpret things to badly here
United White Front
26-10-2004, 01:08
why did you get warned for your animal?
well porch monky is a not nice term for a negro
King Binks
26-10-2004, 01:09
(btw, I'm multiracial. Where do I go? :()


Go to the "Mulitracial only" region of course!
Gigatron
26-10-2004, 01:10
On the basis of being a gay only thread, or for other reasons?
For being another satire I guess. I can understand it. We dont want the forum get spammed with another wave of similar threads satirizing each other :P
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 01:10
wow lets not misinterpret things to badly here

Nah, I don't think I'm doing that. I'm just seeing who crawls out of the woodwork with a thread title like this.
Nationalist Hungary
26-10-2004, 01:11
Well the nation of islam states that the white man is the "devil" and is inferior to the black man and jewish zionists believe their gods "chosen" and therefore better then everybody else and nobody objects to these bastards but when white people try to do the same thing there is large protest against it and people think white nationalists are ignorrent why? because we love and prefere our race over others just like the other races do... this is a bs double standard that must be destroyed. I am white and I love my race and Im proud of it!
Whogivesaflying
26-10-2004, 01:11
Nah, I don't think I'm doing that. I'm just seeing who crawls out of the woodwork with a thread title like this.
got a lot of response with the weirdos, eh?
Israelities et Buddist
26-10-2004, 01:12
as if no one knows this wasnt in response to the thread of froming a jewish region. gollie i would have never geussed. lol.

by the way it wasnt just jewish it was for people who followed our ideas for a region. duh
United White Front
26-10-2004, 01:13
got a lot of response with the weirdos, eh?
well you posted
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 01:13
Jewish is neither a race nor a religion, it is a cultural identity.

Sammy Davis Jr. and Woody Allen are not the same ethnicity, but they are of the same culture.

Now stop bickering about it.
Whogivesaflying
26-10-2004, 01:13
well you posted
you know what else, so did you...and plus, even being a 7th grader, im probably smarter than you.
Chodolo
26-10-2004, 01:15
Well the nation of islam states that the white man is the "devil" and is inferior to the black man and jewish zionists believe their gods "chosen" and therefore better then everybody else and nobody objects to these bastards but when white people try to do the same thing there is large protest against it and people think white nationalists are ignorrent why? because we love and prefere our race over others just like the other races do... this is a bs double standard that must be destroyed. I am white and I love my race and Im proud of it!
I for one object to the examples you gave. And I'm probably one of the more liberal members here. A nasty side effect of racism is that the oppressed start to hate the oppressers. Makes sense. But even after things get worked out, sometimes the hatred remains.

I'm just trying to get everyone to be nice to each other (but real racists can suck my multi-racial cock). :)
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 01:15
Oh ....

and ....

American Indians pwn you all!
Spoffin
26-10-2004, 01:16
yes why?
Oh, its a terrible double standard thats part of a conspiracy by the ACLU to keep white people down while an certain ethnic minority which shall remain nameless (*coughjewscough*) rise to power by infiltraiting the media and brainwashing us all with their zionist mind control devices.
Whogivesaflying
26-10-2004, 01:16
I for one object to the examples you gave. And I'm probably one of the more liberal members here. A nasty side effect of racism is that the oppressed start to hate the oppressers. Makes sense. But even after things get worked out, sometimes the hatred remains.

I'm just trying to get everyone to be nice to each other (but real racists can suck my multi-racial cock). :)
think about that, you really want nazi-boy over hear sucking ur cock? :confused:
Buben
26-10-2004, 01:17
I dunno, I'm Canadian.. I have "White" friends, "Jewish" friends "Muslim" friends, "Black" friends.."Conservative" friends, "Liberal" friends, so on and so forth. I don't decide who I shall hang with or be friends with based on the colour of ones skin, I base it on common interests, respect, sense of humor. The colour of some ones skin and or their religion (as long as not pushed on me) is quite irrelevant.


I don't base on color Im just saying if you want to hang with your own crowd so be it- you wont find an old lady who loves bingo with a bunch of car nuts will you, so if they want there own racist site go for it, just dont look for my support or from any one with a once of decensie. FYI in my high school the east indians hung in there own groups so did asians, white folks were rarley allowed into this circles- WHY??? :(
Spoffin
26-10-2004, 01:20
Well the nation of islam states that the white man is the "devil" and is inferior to the black man and jewish zionists believe their gods "chosen" and therefore better then everybody else and nobody objects to these bastards but when white people try to do the same thing there is large protest against it and people think white nationalists are ignorrent why? because we love and prefere our race over others just like the other races do... this is a bs double standard that must be destroyed. I am white and I love my race and Im proud of it!
14 words: We must preserve the existance of all people and a future free of hatred
King Binks
26-10-2004, 01:20
Oh, its a terrible double standard thats part of a conspiracy by the ACLU to keep white people down while an certain ethnic minority which shall remain nameless (*coughjewscough*) rise to power by infiltraiting the media and brainwashing us all with their zionist mind control devices.

I knew it!

...

You were joking right?
Israelities et Buddist
26-10-2004, 01:21
wow give me a brake.
Chodolo
26-10-2004, 01:21
think about that, you really want nazi-boy over hear sucking ur cock? :confused:
On second thought...I would feel pretty dirty after that. :(
Spoffin
26-10-2004, 01:22
I don't base on color Im just saying if you want to hang with your own crowd so be it- you wont find an old lady who loves bingo with a bunch of car nuts will you, so if they want there own racist site go for it, just dont look for my support or from any one with a once of decensie. FYI in my high school the east indians hung in there own groups so did asians, white folks were rarley allowed into this circles- WHY??? :(
People congregate with people with whom they identify. Its sorta 50-50 whether its good or not, on the one hand it can lead to tension, on the other it means that there are dozens of rich and varied cultures.
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 01:22
14 words: We must preserve the existance of all people and a future free of hatred


:D

I think I'll start trying to answer all arguments in haiku from now on.

You have inspired me yet again!
Spoffin
26-10-2004, 01:22
I knew it!

...

You were joking right?
yes
Novus Arcadia
26-10-2004, 01:24
Our liberal media teaches us that it is necessary for members of two different races to come together and act as a group, without racial distinction - if this is not worable, someone has racial prejudices. In a way, this is true, but there is no harm done if a black person prefers to socialize, generally, of course, with other balcks, or if a white person prefers to socialize (generally, of course) with other whites. The same applies for any other religious and cultural group.
I am no racist, and this might make a lot of people upset, but the ideal of racial tolerance has not held sway for a very long time, and there are a lot of good reasons for certain groups to think of other groups (generally, maybe just subconsciously, if at all) in a generally hostile way, simply because times have changed by force, and not enough time has gone by to allow total acceptance, by and of any community that has disagreed, if you will, with another.
I.e., the way some blacks might feel about whites, or the way some Muslims might feel about Jews.
Whogivesaflying
26-10-2004, 01:24
On second thought...I would feel pretty dirty after that. :(
the only thing who wouldn't...a dead worm...no idea what dirty is...that worm doesn't...
Farmanhouse
26-10-2004, 01:26
:gundge: -------> Me ejaculating on reverse-racsists
Novus Arcadia
26-10-2004, 01:27
While this situation is not an ideal one, and we should strive for total and complete racial tolerance, a specialized socialization situation cannot be looked down upon.
So, basically, I would find nothing offensive in a "white region" - I think one exists, by the way.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 01:28
14 words: We must preserve the existance of all people and a future free of hatred

Unfortunately for me I live about 400 yards away from a wall were it is written in foot tall letters: We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Protestant children. Oh, the joys of life in Northern Ireland where just being white isn't sufficient for the neo-Nazis, you have to be a Prod as well.
Israelities et Buddist
26-10-2004, 01:29
thought i would let u know that judaism is technically labled as a religion but also a race in most dictionaries, encylopedias, and even some global classes.
United White Front
26-10-2004, 01:30
Unfortunately for me I live about 400 yards away from a wall were it is written in foot tall letters: We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Protestant children. Oh, the joys of life in Northern Ireland where just being white isn't sufficient for the neo-Nazis, you have to be a Prod as well.
well i have never seen that one before
Mr Rogers-Hood
26-10-2004, 01:30
I think that people like to hang out with people of their own "race" because they can relate to some of the social and cultural issues they face better. White people in North America are the majority so we don't necessarily have those issues. Besides, it has been proven that there is only one race: the human race. So designations of "race" are really either geographic or social, which is why people feel a connection to other of their own "race." The more multi-racial society gets, the less people will feel a need for that.
Naomisan24
26-10-2004, 01:31
No it is not.
Semetic is not soley Hebrew, nor is it soley Jewish.
Not all Jews are Semetic and not all Semetics are Jews.
That is fact.
Therefore if I convert convert to Judaism do I suddenly convert races?
No of course not.
If a semite is not of the Judaic faith is he no longer a Semite?
No of course not.
Jew does not equal both a race and a religious group--except in the case of improper usage.
Semites are mideastern peoples. As a nazi jerk, united white front should know that. For the most part, a person is only both Semitic and Jewish if he or she is Sfaardic and a direct descendant of the iconoclasts (like me!) or from a recently converted family. The term "race" refers only to ethnicity, so "Ashkenazi" (caucasian and eurasian) and "Sfaardi" (semitic) indicate race but the term "jew," which is a reclaimed derogatory word for those who didn't know, does not.
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 01:32
Criteria, a Haiku

White only region.
How many generations?
I have two blue eyes.

Thank you. (bow)
Whogivesaflying
26-10-2004, 01:32
anydangway, since i have to get off...white front...get off your mothers computer...im sure she wants to look up more porn now.
Israelities et Buddist
26-10-2004, 01:33
thought i would let u know that judaism is technically labled as a religion but also a race in most dictionaries, encylopedias, and even some global classes.

thought i should repeat it for yall
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 01:35
Criteria, a Haiku

White only region.
How many generations?
I have two blue eyes.

Thank you. (bow)

Isn't there meant to be a reference to the season/time of year in every Haiku?

White only region -
How many generations?
Inbred by winter.
Naomisan24
26-10-2004, 01:37
I think that people like to hang out with people of their own "race" because they can relate to some of the social and cultural issues they face better. White people in North America are the majority so we don't necessarily have those issues. Besides, it has been proven that there is only one race: the human race. So designations of "race" are really either geographic or social, which is why people feel a connection to other of their own "race." The more multi-racial society gets, the less people will feel a need for that.
It is true that DNA proves that there is no such thing as race and it is an obsolete nazi term for ethnicity.
Novus Arcadia
26-10-2004, 01:38
Correct, absolutley correct - there is but one race, in human terms, and that is the human race itself.
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 01:38
thought i should repeat it for yall


Repetition, a Haiku

Post number 40.
Jew has been defined by me.
Stop bickering now.

Thank you.
Israelities et Buddist
26-10-2004, 01:39
fine im glad we put that to rest and yes we r only 1 race the human race.
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 01:41
Isn't there meant to be a reference to the season/time of year in every Haiku?


Subtelty not lost.
Dictionary dot com says:
"Aspect of nature".

:D
Soviet Narco State
26-10-2004, 01:41
what is the big deal with jews? I mean face it, aside from the African jews, Jews are just white people plain and simple. I think hitler just invented the notion that jews are a seperate race and then a bunch of rabbi's maintained the fiction so that you if you are jewish you can't quit. I mean who wants to live in a world with out bacon? Or is that muslims who can't eat pork? As to the comments about jews taking over the USA what the hell are they going to do, make us work in a dreidel factory? Are they going to outlaw christmas and make us wear their tiny little hats that cover the bald spot on your head? While it is true that the US is Israel's loyal attack dog, that is the fault of the Christian right, Pat Robertson types who think if we support Israel jesus will return and smite the heathens, more than the jews many of which tend to be quite reasonable on Israel. Most politicians are lazy and stupid an think that AIPAC speaks for entire jewish community which is not true. IF there was an all white region it would be called "Connecticuit" and it would be the lamest place on earth and only jerks would live there.
Watertown NNY Jews
26-10-2004, 01:46
im deeply sorry and know i have created a conflict which has been resolved here, but i thought i might add i created that after that SOB israelities et buddist said anyone could join. So i created that out of spite even though i dont believe in it.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 01:46
well i have never seen that one before

Yes, well there is much you still have to learn. Thankfully the tensions between the primarily Protestant neo-nazis in the North and the primarily Catholic neo-nazis in the South serve only to create problems and distrust in the whole White Nationalist movement in Ireland.
Spoffin
26-10-2004, 01:57
Unfortunately for me I live about 400 yards away from a wall were it is written in foot tall letters: We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Protestant children. Oh, the joys of life in Northern Ireland where just being white isn't sufficient for the neo-Nazis, you have to be a Prod as well.
Morons :rolleyes:

As long lasting, grudgebearing fights for dumbass reasons go, the Northern Ireland conflict has gotta be in the top 10. A fight over whether or not the bread and the wine really become the blood and body of Christ or not, and whether the people who've only been there 400 years have as much right to be there as the ones who've been around for a few years longer. And I know that its a bit more complicated than that, involving land and religion and democracy and tyranny by majority, but for gods sakes, a king that's been dead for four centuries moved some guys who've also been dead for four centuries to a different part of the map, and you're still pissed about it?? And Orange Men and the IRA can't sit down on two sides of a table for an hour and figure out a way of settling this that doesn't involve killing anyone (like, say, a fooball match or something?)?

There's gotta be a point to be made here about two groups of christians who both believe that they're right but somehow, for neither of them has that belief actually made them into better people.
Watertown NNY Jews
26-10-2004, 02:03
i have been prsured by the un 2 give a formal apology to u. I deeply sorry and u may look 2 space up. Please forgive me and if u want i have to delete my nation.
Big Jim P
26-10-2004, 02:14
Umm... I'm not white.
Walnut Destructo
26-10-2004, 02:16
As to the comments about jews taking over the USA what the hell are they going to do, make us work in a dreidel factory?


Oh shit, theyre on to us!
Ymania
26-10-2004, 02:19
Seems pretty silly to me... it's not even as if you can tell really. I mean, I might be black, I might be white, I might be blue. *you* have no way of telling. I think if people want to create a white state then that's fine by me, (online that is, in RL I might have more problems with it...) but I do think it's a bit silly. Then again I think creating a jewish state, or a black state, or a green-eyed state would be rather silly. But hey, if that's what keeps people amused...
Togarmah
26-10-2004, 02:28
Yeah.. You know what though. I'm still waiting for an answer about this region. I specifically asked what type of religion, sexual orientation &ct. was considered acceptable. No-one has given me an answer yet.
CRACKPIE
26-10-2004, 02:28
Ah, so if I was to convert to Judaism I would then change race?
no, see, the race commonly known as "jewish" is actually the hebrew race. because of religious tradition ( I dont know if mandate) of the jewish to marry within each other, the hebrew race has been preserved as, because of their relatively few numbers and similarities to white people, it would have almost ceratinly have dilluted into nonexistance previously.
Keruvalia
26-10-2004, 02:31
I just remember that my region is Pagan Freestates ....

Nothing racial, but clearly a focus group.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 02:34
Ah, so if I was to convert to Judaism I would then change race?
no, see, the race commonly known as "jewish" is actually the hebrew race.


What is a rhetorical question?
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 02:39
Seems pretty silly to me... it's not even as if you can tell really.


That is what you think, but our scientists have been working away feverishly on their linguistic/racial analyser - The Aryanotron 4000. We just feed your comments in here... like so... and wait till the tape memory starts to roll... and the analysis comes out on a punched card here...

You are a white male with a fondness for cats and an interest in Greek Mythology. You walk with a limp, and the callouses on your hands indicate that you are involved in the making of top hats for rich gentlemen. There is a slight scar just to one side of your mouth and you have a liking for chocolate ice cream and jellied eels. Your favourite hobby is collecting rodent tails, which you keep pasted into a stamp album.

Of course, we're still trying to iron a couple of bugs out of the system...
Rubina
26-10-2004, 02:46
Alas, I cannot comment for I am a distinctly reddish shade of beige. But sometimes when I'm anemic, you might describe me as white. ;)
Bright Shiny Things
26-10-2004, 02:55
Other people seem to congragate in there own ethicnic forums, but when whities try it's always racist! :confused: :(Actually it's racist when anyone does it, especially if they exclude others. The White Nationalists just happen to be more vocal and repugnant about it.
Novus Arcadia
26-10-2004, 03:21
Buben, that is completely true - it is a direct contradiction of culture and is also extremely unfair, yet goes unnoticed and is considered by some, to be funny.
Novus Arcadia
26-10-2004, 03:22
Bright Shiny Things, if wanting to "congregate" with members of your own race is being "racist" then there is nothing wrong with being racist - according to you own definition.
Andaluciae
26-10-2004, 03:46
This is for white people only.



This isn't racist because I'm white. Do you guys think we should make a white region and what should its name be if so?*







-->* Gentle satire/pastiche.<--

Take note of the portion I highlighted!
Andaluciae
26-10-2004, 03:47
I'll admit, I'd be the first person to make fun of my white-ness. I fit way too many stereotypes.
Bright Shiny Things
26-10-2004, 03:50
Bright Shiny Things, if wanting to "congregate" with members of your own race is being "racist" then there is nothing wrong with being racist - according to you own definition.If you give belonging to a particular race as a prerequisite for being able to 'congregate', then yeah it is racist. If you don't think there is anything wrong with that, well I'm not here to be your concious. Own your sins, don't make excuses or play word games.
Daistallia 2104
26-10-2004, 05:11
It is true that DNA proves that there is no such thing as race and it is an obsolete nazi term for ethnicity.



Actually it goes back a lot longer than that.

Today scholars in many fields argue that "race" as it is understood in the United States of America was a social mechanism invented during the 18th century to refer to those populations brought together in colonial America: the English and other European settlers, the conquered Indian peoples, and those peoples of Africa brought in to provide slave labor.

From its inception, this modern concept of "race" was modeled after an ancient theorem of the Great Chain of Being, which posited natural categories on a hierarchy established by God or nature.
American Anthropological Association Statement on "Race" (http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm)

Anyway, How can you argue the existance of race when you can't even pin down an agreed upon definition and a commonly agreed upon numner of races? I mean I've heard every thing from 3 races to 27+ races. And no one has ever been able to give me an adequate argument for a biological division of humans into races that meets the biological definitions of race.
Sukafitz
26-10-2004, 05:31
Most whites in America are leaving large cities for small towns and the countryside.
Unfree People
26-10-2004, 05:55
Bring it fucker :p

and your spelling is shit...
This is flaming - knock it off.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator
Chodolo
26-10-2004, 06:00
My apologies. I won't bait the nazi again (although I do feel that UWF taking a shot at my multiracialness was inappropriate).
Xvim
26-10-2004, 06:02
Most whites in America are leaving large cities for small towns and the countryside.

Most Americans are leaving the shit-holes of the cities to the countryside, only to make the countryside shitholes as well, Black, white and green.
New Granada
26-10-2004, 06:16
The difference between blacks banding together to exclude whites and whites banding together to exclude blacks is this:

The interaction between groups of whites and groups of blacks has for hundreds of years consisted of whites grouping together and doing harm to blacks.

White people have for hundreds of years used the excuse of 'white racial solidarity' to opress and harm blacks, while blacks have used the idea of 'black racial solidarity' to defend against their white tormentors and opressors.

History makes it so that when whites are condemned for excluding blacks and blacks are condoned when excluding whites, there is no double standard.

The revolting history of what white people have done to black people means that whites are to be forever judged against a different standard than blacks.
Slap Happy Lunatics
26-10-2004, 11:55
It's not necessarily racist (I say "necessarily" because United White Front is indeed a neo-Nazi racist). More often it's out of ignorance.

If anyone wants to segregate off into your own little ethnic clusters, be it white, black, Jewish, whatever, go ahead. But I will laugh at you.

(btw, I'm multiracial. Where do I go? :()
Multiethania, of course!
Slap Happy Lunatics
26-10-2004, 11:59
No it is not.
Semetic is not soley Hebrew, nor is it soley Jewish.
Not all Jews are Semetic and not all Semetics are Jews.
That is fact.
Therefore if I convert convert to Judaism do I suddenly convert races?
No of course not.
If a semite is not of the Judaic faith is he no longer a Semite?
No of course not.
Jew does not equal both a race and a religious group--except in the case of improper usage.
Yet it is still a cultural identity that transcends race.
Slap Happy Lunatics
26-10-2004, 12:03
Oh, its a terrible double standard thats part of a conspiracy by the ACLU to keep white people down while an certain ethnic minority which shall remain nameless (*coughjewscough*) rise to power by infiltraiting the media and brainwashing us all with their zionist mind control devices.
Not me. I wear my tin foil yarmulke. :rolleyes:
Slap Happy Lunatics
26-10-2004, 12:08
well i have never seen that one before
Yeah, Northern Ireland. Another inconvenient reality, eh?
Notquiteaplace
26-10-2004, 12:09
The revolting history of what white people have done to black people means that whites are to be forever judged against a different standard than blacks.

true, but iwhy bshould I be forced to suffer because of what my ignorant predecessors did?

Anyway race regions? whats the point? If its a cultural rthing, just make an "afro carribean culture" region, that way you will get like minded people to a larger extent anyway. A few will be a different colour though. OH MY GOD ARGH! But still, this is not racist anymore. If you want only your own race in region just because, then, well, you are a racist, no matter what colour you are.

But if you do it according to a certain type of behavior or culture, you arent stopping people purely on skin colour, but instead on grounds of what sort of lifestyle they choose to live. They choose. Okay?
Ymania
26-10-2004, 12:09
Quote:
"You are a white male with a fondness for cats and an interest in Greek Mythology. You walk with a limp, and the callouses on your hands indicate that you are involved in the making of top hats for rich gentlemen. There is a slight scar just to one side of your mouth and you have a liking for chocolate ice cream and jellied eels. Your favourite hobby is collecting rodent tails, which you keep pasted into a stamp album."
End Quote...

Well, I AM white, I do have a fondness of cats and an interest in Greek Mythology. I walk with a limp (or rather with a slight foot defect,) and I do have callouses on my hands, but not for the reason mentioned. So, with the exception of a few things, you're not far wrong!
Amazying!
Caligopolis
26-10-2004, 12:31
Black Slavery was never very popular in Sweden,
especially since slavery was banned around 1200..
Am I then to be judged because my "predecessors" did something they didnt do?
Egypt had the hebrew as slaves, are Egyptians(Even of mixed colours in that area, once being such a powerful kingdom, especially during that day and age) judged from a different standard from hebrews?

The skin of my colour seems like a daft excuse to exclude me from anything, doesnt matter who does the excluding or discrimination.

I find that as stupid as if I were to go around beating up\discriminating peopl wearing a Wu-Tang shirt because some members of some Wu Tang group or another killed my kung fu styles great great great grandfather or another, since its a culture I have constant relationship with, and of course perform rituals with a large group of people more than 3-4 times a week. Which of course slightly fits the description of a religion.

Although beating up kids with Wu Tang clothes doesnt sound as a bad idea when I think about it.. :D
Darun
26-10-2004, 12:37
I'll ignore the fact that despite being Jewish the original poster believes the Jews to be a race, rather than a religious community...

Not sure if this has been pointed out yet but uh...the Jews are a race as well as a religion...

The revolting history of what white people have done to black people means that whites are to be forever judged against a different standard than blacks.

White people haven't really done all that much to black people. A great majority of the "problems" done to them by whites are simply over-exaggerations. The Arabs were far more brutal to them.

Don't be so quick to racism simply because America decided to buy a few slaves from, you guessed it, other blacks.
Planta Genestae
26-10-2004, 12:40
How would you like your body without organs BWO?
Bandanna
26-10-2004, 12:46
so to Cholodo's getting warned: you're gonna warn the brown kid for mouthing off back at the nazi, after the "i'm multiracial, where should i go?"
"must hold toung (sic)" interaction?

now i admit that was a subtle comment, as nazi racist genocidal bullshit goes... but come on. if cholodo had responded in kind (i.e. not-so-subtly-implying that the nazi's genetic stock was inherently diseased and that he and everyone like him should be, oh, shot into pits and burned or something) then i could see the warning. as it is, what the hell?

yes, this may fall under the technical definition of arguing with a mod. i'm not sure if that's allowed or not. but it's also possible the mod just didn't notice that exchange. in which case i'm just drawing attention to it.

personally, i'd be way more comfortable if the forum had a freedom-of-speech policy which didn't prevent nazis from posting, but maybe had some little clause like "anyone who, by assumed name, regional association, speech or nation action explicitly advocates murder, particularly the extermination of certain sectors of humanity along racialist, sexual, or ethno-religious lines, shall recognize that by so doing they forfeit protection from verbal assault by other forum users." this seems totally fair, since being openly, vocally genocidally racist (or genocidally queerphobic, genocidally anti-semitic, or just plain genocidal) can (easily) be construed as a vocal attack on the wellbeing of many other people. to to be able to verbally bash back seems fair.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 13:45
How would you like your body without organs BWO?

Was that of the nature of a threat? If you are accusing me of racism on the basis of this thread, then you have missed the point somewhat. Try re-reading my posts on the first and second pages.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 13:50
personally, i'd be way more comfortable if the forum had a freedom-of-speech policy which didn't prevent nazis from posting, but maybe had some little clause like "anyone who, by assumed name, regional association, speech or nation action explicitly advocates murder, particularly the extermination of certain sectors of humanity along racialist, sexual, or ethno-religious lines, shall recognize that by so doing they forfeit protection from verbal assault by other forum users." this seems totally fair, since being openly, vocally genocidally racist (or genocidally queerphobic, genocidally anti-semitic, or just plain genocidal) can (easily) be construed as a vocal attack on the wellbeing of many other people. to to be able to verbally bash back seems fair.

If the only defense you can think of when threatened with the possibility of genocide is telling people to fuck off, then you've got problems.
Bandanna
26-10-2004, 14:14
not at all. in other contexts, i'd be happy to MAKE them fuck off. but this is someone else's space, and all they can do is talk, so all we need do is talk back. if they come to where i or my friends live, that's a different story. then you can bet that all us folks the "final solution" wants to get rid of will come out swingin'.

that was more a "the least you can do is not scold people for 'flamebaiting' explicitly genocidal assholes" sentiment.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 14:20
that was more a "the least you can do is not scold people for 'flamebaiting' explicitly genocidal assholes" sentiment.

Yes, but just telling someone that already hates you to fuck off is going to be like water off a duck's back, whereas if you can attempt to draw them into some kind of debate (we are after all unable to do anything else here) then there is the possibility of affording them some kind of illumination to the fact that their worldview is 'somewhat clouded' and not without its own inherent contradictions and problems which render it to be nothing other than either a teenage revenge fantasy or a deeply unrealistic solution to the problems that they perceive.
Planta Genestae
26-10-2004, 14:21
Was that of the nature of a threat? If you are accusing me of racism on the basis of this thread, then you have missed the point somewhat. Try re-reading my posts on the first and second pages.

No way man. That'd waste my valuable time.
Bodies Without Organs
26-10-2004, 14:25
No way man. That'd waste my valuable time.

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Utracia
26-10-2004, 17:22
White people only? There are plenty of situations where there are blacks only or Asians only. The problem is the very idea of "____ only" has the shadow of racism even if that is not your intention.