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Anyone who has been around NS for a while knows that Judephobia is alive and kicking. (I don't say anti-semetism, because some racists like to point out that Semite actually refers to Jews AND Arabs, and they don't hate Arabs, just Jews :confused: )

To make this clear, here is where I stand.

(I am a Canadian, half Irish, half Native, and I am not religious.)

I am anti-Israeli policy, not anti-Isrealis, nor anti-Jew.

I do not believe there is some secret, evil Jewish conspiracy.

I do not believe that Jews are a single, homogenous 'race', but rather a diverse group of cultural and ethnic peoples with the common denominator of Judaism as their religion.

I am aware that not all Jews support Israel. The political diversity within the Jewish diaspora is as diverse as their cultural backgrounds.

I do not accept that Judephobia is acceptable or even justified, no matter what. Damning the whole group for the actions of some is never justified. Yes, there is some hysteria and knee-jerk reactions from some Jewish communities whenever Israel is criticised, but we have to accept that many in the Jewish community have not really come to terms with the afteraffects of the Shoah (Holocaust), and get very defensive at times. "Anti-semite" gets bandied about sometimes wrongly, but it doesn't mean that Judephobia does not exist.

I believe that we should not become numb to the cries of anti-semetism, that we should not give into the desire to "stop talking about the Holocaust", even though there are still many horrible things going on in the world that also need our attention. When even in my small city of Edmonton, a Jewish children's library can be firebombed, I would say Judephobia is still a very real danger for many Jews.

Thanks, and go ahead with your opinions!

judephobia? antisemitsm?

judephobia? antisemitsm?

Yup. Just a different name for it, read the top of my first post for the explanation.

First of all, let me say how pleasantly surprised I am to see and Israel/Jew thread not started by someone with the blatant intention of being one-sided.
My view is that too many people are racist, on NS or in RL. I have met waaayy to many of them. People who are anti Muslims, Jews, Israelis, Americans etc...
I think that generalisation is a very bad thing. Saying "Israelis are..." or "Muslims are..." is wrong. Each person is different and you can't just put everyone in one group as if everyone is the same.
There are a very small number of Judephobes. I could probably count them on one hand. There are others who are, for example Austrealite who is just anti-every religion or belief except his own. He's not a Judephobe. People like the former Tenete Traditiones are Judephobes. TT was convinced of a Jewish conspiracy theory, that the pope is Jewish, that ALL Jews are Zionists, and all Zionists are terrorists. He is a Judephobe. I'm a Jew, i'm not Zionist though. Two seperate things.
There are also the people who join in Israel debates despite having no idea what's actually happening here. They aren't Judephobes, they're ignorant. I have no problem with someone not knowing about Israel, but if you don't then don't post. I don't post on all the American history threads.

I thought racism was so last century. After spending a month on these boards...I'm not so sure.

Far more prevalent today is homophobia, which you can get away with and still be elected to public office.

Fight bigotry in all its forms...

One day, it will be a thing of the past.

Judephobia, Christophobia, Hindiphobia, etc they all still exist; hopefully one day we'll be able to stamp out racism

BTW, I'm Xenophobe-phobic!

Judephobia, Christophobia, Hindiphobia, etc they all still exist; hopefully one day we'll be able to stamp out racism

BTW, I'm Xenophobe-phobic!

:)
No one is surprised that racism exists, and I am certainly not trying to belabor the obvious. However, I have noticed that even among the radical left, (where is pretty much where I am on the spectrum) there is a kind of tolerance of judephobia. A lot of this comes from the left's legitimate concern with Palestinian issues, and is based in an anti-Israel-policy position. However, there have been reports of Jewish anti-war protestors being targeted for beatings or general ridicule by other leftist protestors, because the assumption was made that Jew means pro-Israel. I think it makes it difficult for anti-Israel-policy Jews to make their voices heard...or they are just considered to be "good" Jews. While in the left it is anathema to be racist against other minorities, somehow the Jews don't receive that blanket protection because of the general animosity towards Israel. I'm not saying that all, or even a lot of leftys are like this...I'm only speaking from the experience of hearing racist remarks by people who supposedly know better. I for one will never buy the leftist magazine Adbusters again after the editor went on an anti-Jew rant and was APPLAUDED by many leftys for "not being afraid to speak the truth". Shame.

I didn't know anyone had a morbid fear of Jude Law.

just trying to lighten the mood, folks.

I didn't know anyone had a morbid fear of Jude Law.

just trying to lighten the mood, folks.

No, that's Judelawephobia:)

And I do. Oh how I do. :eek:

I once again fail to see why people don't select the option to see who votes in polls when they make their polls. I mean... yeesh.

Being raised Jewish, I can say I'm Judeophobic, although I despise [orthodox]Jewish mythology as much as Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. mythology.

...Mainstream Judaism can simply be seen as a cultural thing, though, and as it isn't religious, it doesn't bother me that much...

On the other hand, I don't revel in my culture, nor do I go to various museums with "Famous Jews" on exhibit. It's simply something I was born into, and could care less about, since I don't wish to be defined by things beyond my control, and there a damn lot of things that go into that category.

I once again fail to see why people don't select the option to see who votes in polls when they make their polls. I mean... yeesh.

Being raised Jewish, I can say I'm Judeophobic, although I despise [orthodox]Jewish mythology as much as Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. mythology.

...Mainstream Judaism can simply be seen as a cultural thing, though, and as it isn't religious, it doesn't bother me that much...

On the other hand, I don't revel in my culture, nor do I go to various museums with "Famous Jews" on exhibit. It's simply something I was born into, and could care less about, since I don't wish to be defined by things beyond my control, and there a damn lot of things that go into that category.

First of all...sorry about the poll thing...I'm new to them, but now that I know about that option, I'll be sure to include it next time!

Secondly, let me redefine Judephobia. Judephobia is a word created to describe the specific hatred of Jews. In some racist circles, the term anti-semitism was being distorted. Since Semite actually refers to both Jews and Arabs, some felt it was not a specific enough term. So I am not talking about not "identifying" yourself with the Jewish religion. I am talking about actual hatred of anyone Jewish, (re: born into a Jewish family), whether they are religious or not.

I agree that you shouldn't be identified only by the circumstances of your birth. However, that is the reality we all must face. As a Native, I can go against all the stereotypes...I don't drink, I don't gamble, I don't hunt out of season....hey, I'm even half white! Yet when people see me, they still identify me as Native. It's harder to identify someone as Jewish simply by their looks (and I don't want to hear any crap about 'genetic traits' because I know a Jew from Somalia and he doesn't look like Woody Allen), but assumptions will still be made based on names, familiarity with family members and so on. I can deny all I want that I am Cree Native (which I don't, I'm actually quite proud of the fact), but it won't change who I am. However, since Judaism is a RELIGION, not a race, I suppose it should be as easy for a Jew to stop being a Jew as it is for me to stop being Irish Catholic (from my father's side, and which I absolutely am not). Not identifying as Jew is different from Judephobia (hating Jews) though...I hope. :)

I feel the way the economy and government are structured has the major impact on our the publics views. It's not the fact that Judephobia may or may not be still around, it's the fact that the government doesn't want to sensitize anything to us. 9/11 was one of the biggest impacts on American History, yet how quickly did it seem to slip out of the public eye? We simply wrote it off, and Bush went on his "Weapons of Mass Destruction" kick, which I tend to make a thread on, because that is something I don't agree with at all. Even if I am only 17. Racism is still around, in every shape, form, and religion. It's hard to find a church out there that you can go to and not hear that their beliefs are right and that anyone that views differently are completly wrong.

Trying to argue this is pointless, we all have our views but an understanding can't be reached, because no matter how much you think you know about it, you don't know everything about it.

I think a Null Vote should be added on.

There's plenty of Judephobians around here (look at some nation names)! Sadly.

and

Sexphobians ...

Anyone who has been around NS for a while knows that Judephobia is alive and kicking. (I don't say anti-semetism, because some racists like to point out that Semite actually refers to Jews AND Arabs, and they don't hate Arabs, just Jews :confused: )

To make this clear, here is where I stand.

(I am a Canadian, half Irish, half Native, and I am not religious.)

I am anti-Israeli policy, not anti-Isrealis, nor anti-Jew.

I do not believe there is some secret, evil Jewish conspiracy.

I do not believe that Jews are a single, homogenous 'race', but rather a diverse group of cultural and ethnic peoples with the common denominator of Judaism as their religion.

I am aware that not all Jews support Israel. The political diversity within the Jewish diaspora is as diverse as their cultural backgrounds.

I do not accept that Judephobia is acceptable or even justified, no matter what. Damning the whole group for the actions of some is never justified. Yes, there is some hysteria and knee-jerk reactions from some Jewish communities whenever Israel is criticised, but we have to accept that many in the Jewish community have not really come to terms with the afteraffects of the Shoah (Holocaust), and get very defensive at times. "Anti-semite" gets bandied about sometimes wrongly, but it doesn't mean that Judephobia does not exist.

I believe that we should not become numb to the cries of anti-semetism, that we should not give into the desire to "stop talking about the Holocaust", even though there are still many horrible things going on in the world that also need our attention. When even in my small city of Edmonton, a Jewish children's library can be firebombed, I would say Judephobia is still a very real danger for many Jews.

Thanks, and go ahead with your opinions!

Shutup ya Jewish Turd!

Its a horrible thing and yes, should be fought. It really saddens me that there are several anti-semites here on NS. They truly make a good thing sour.

There's plenty of Judephobians around here (look at some nation names)! Sadly.

and

Sexphobians ...

Yeah. Very sad, isn't it?

However, I have noticed that even among the radical left, (where is pretty much where I am on the spectrum) there is a kind of tolerance of judephobia.

Alas there are idiots in every group, however, anarchists are, thankfully, largely judephobia-proof, as the strongest and most famous anti-Zionist anarchist was Emma Goldman, who, along with Alexander Berkman, was Jewish. The Jewish anarchist tradition has always been very strong and still exists, as I recently met two Israeli anarchists. Certain sections of the authoritarian left had a tendency to stir up judephobia because of this reason. Now, of course, the authoritarian left in some countries, such as the UK, has made new friends with a number of vaguely Islamist organisations with predictable consequences. Closing their eyes to the problems with those organisations, they become more tolerant of the their effects.

Oh, Jewish law... I thought the thread was about Jude Law.

Oh, Jewish law... I thought the thread was about Jude Law.

:rolleyes:

Alas there are idiots in every group, however, anarchists are, thankfully, largely judephobia-proof, as the strongest and most famous anti-Zionist anarchist was Emma Goldman, who, along with Alexander Berkman, was Jewish. The Jewish anarchist tradition has always been very strong and still exists, as I recently met two Israeli anarchists. Certain sections of the authoritarian left had a tendency to stir up judephobia because of this reason. Now, of course, the authoritarian left in some countries, such as the UK, has made new friends with a number of vaguely Islamist organisations with predictable consequences. Closing their eyes to the problems with those organisations, they become more tolerant of the their effects.


So jews are anarchists? Now there is a reason to disfavor jewdom and jew-ish things!

i live with a bunch of zionists, and really, im sick of hearing anti-anti-semetic rhetoric (or anti-judeophopia if you want) which usually is nothing more than saying someone is a nazi for their israel policy or support of a palestinian cause. arguments are juvenile and one-sided and often are nothing but name calling by the Anti-Defamation League. some of my jewish friends signed petitions on removing poet laureate Amiri Bakara for his "Somebody Blew Up America" because, "he is a Nazi." students rally for something they know nothing about, but are told to care about. a friend of mine marched two miles for Gush GaTif, a Gaza settlement, but she couldnt tell me why.

the problem of 'The Jew' being a race or a nation or a religious philosophy is difficult in the face of Zionism, where to be Israeli is to be a Jew. nationalism like that insists that theyre one people, under one jewish flag (yet in a wholly democratic situation).

its frustrating. :headbang:

i think that people shouldnt be blown up or shot in community centers. racism is definitely present, and i think it is probably fostered by the insistence of Zionism that Israel is forever a Jewish state. i can relate to anti-Zionist sentiments. i dont like it there. people need to see the difference. but i think that Zionism and the holocaust argument need to kept on a leash. the mindset is so paranoid.

whatever. :rolleyes:

in response to some of these posts, did you know that the far-right wing, (extremely religious) are anti-Zionist. This is because they believe that the messiah will arrive and only then can Israel be founded. For those who can't be bothered to wait however, Israels a great place!

I just hope that the 4 that voted for judephobia were sick twisted individuals who arse about on forums and provoke people, or devils advocates, or reactionaries, because if they are really antisemitic or racist in any way they are simple minded fools who deserve everything they get