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Dems Register Al Qaida Terrorists in Ohio Vote Drive

MunkeBrain
24-10-2004, 23:50
WTF??? :eek:

Dems Register Al Qaida Terrorists in Ohio Vote Drive

Democratic Party activist groups in Ohio have registered at least two known terrorists involved in a plot to blow up a shopping center in a bid to get out the vote for John Kerry.

Nuradin Abdi - a Somali immigrant and admitted al-Qaida member who was indicted earlier this year as part of a conspiracy to blow up the Columbus Mall - was registered to vote by the civil rights group ACORN, according to the Columbus Dispatch.

ACORN has spearheaded an aggressive Democratic Party vote drive in key battleground states.
Iyman Faris, another new Ohio voter added to the rolls by Democrats, is currently serving a 20-year jail sentence for his role in surveilling potential al Qaida targets - including the Brooklyn Bridge, the Dispatch said.

According to the Ohio News Now TV network, Abdi's name was added to the rolls by ACORN employee Kevin Eugene Dooley, as part of the group's Project Vote operation.

Dooley was indicted earlier this year on two felony election offenses -- false election registration, and submitting false election signatures to the Ohio Board of Elections.

"As far as board of elections is concerned, Abdi is a registered voter," Ohio board of elections director Matt Damschroeder told ONN.

Only after Abdi's case was exposed did Ohio officials strike his name from the voting rolls, due to his status as an illegal alien.

Faris became a naturalized citizen in 1999 but is not eligible to vote because he's an incarcerated felon.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/24/120810.shtml
Superpower07
24-10-2004, 23:51
Ok man, the Dems are going *way* too far on this one - REGISTERING THE ENEMY?!?!?
Gymoor
24-10-2004, 23:53
It's Newsmax. I wouldn't give it too much credibility.
Chodolo
24-10-2004, 23:56
I wonder...did the Democrats specifically seek out AlQueda terrorists to register? Or perhaps two of the THOUSANDS of people they registered happened to have terrorist ties?
MunkeBrain
24-10-2004, 23:56
WTF??? :eek:


According to the Ohio News Now TV network, Abdi's name was added to the rolls by ACORN employee Kevin Eugene Dooley, as part of the group's Project Vote operation.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/24/120810.shtml :)
Pantylvania
25-10-2004, 00:00
I wonder...did the Democrats specifically seek out AlQueda terrorists to register? Or perhaps two of the THOUSANDS of people they registered happened to have terrorist ties?Chodolo, you shouldn't even have to ask
X bomber
25-10-2004, 00:10
Good point about the thousands of people, anyway at least the dems are trying to get people to vote, the Republicians are filing a lawsuit that would take away thousands of votes of 18 year olds beacuse they registered a couple days earlier
Chess Squares
25-10-2004, 00:12
did they register cat stevens or something cuz im not reading this idiots post :rolleyes:
OceanDrive
25-10-2004, 00:20
I wonder...did the Democrats specifically seek out AlQueda terrorists to register? If they really were AlQueda terrorists...they would already be behind bars...
Siljhouettes
25-10-2004, 00:21
MunkeBrain has no credibility. you= stoopid
Saipea
25-10-2004, 00:22
All's twisted and unwholesome in politics. Seems like we'd have fetuses voting Republican, terrorists voting Democrat, illiterate families of 12 voting Republican, common criminals voting Democrat.

To be honest, I've never heard of ACORN.

But despite incidents like this and incidents involving the ACLU, I can safely claim that they aren't affiliated with the Democratic party; they're just liberal fringe groups who assist everyone from foreign terrorists ("Democrats") and low class crooks ("Democrats") to high class criminals ("Republicans") and nazis/white supremecists/local terrorists ("Republicans").
Saipea
25-10-2004, 00:26
Note: I lumped nazis, white supremicists, and local terrorists into one group because I really don't see any differences amongst them...
So don't try claiming that ACORN or ACLU help more Republican causes because that simply isn't true. Most of the time they focus more on the "underdog" dogs. :p
Cannot think of a name
25-10-2004, 00:26
http://comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/unbranded/s/unbranded-stretch-armstrong.jpg
Mr. Armstrong would be proud.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 00:28
MunkeBrain has no credibility. you= stoopid
did they register cat stevens or something cuz im not reading this idiots post :rolleyes:


This is the sad depth of leftists.
Comandante
25-10-2004, 00:34
Munkebrain, this is just one more case of flame-baiting that should have you banned. I personally work for the organization you spoke of, but it's not called ACORN, it's called ACT. We are going to take this election from your scummy, fascist, racist hands, and there's not one damn thing you can do about it. I will be so proud of my fellow ACT members when the 900,000 people that we registered all decide to vote that pathetic, sniveling, little shit George Bush out of office. Picture 20 years of liberal dominance! We'll take all of your "rights" away from you! (right to own guns, right to exploit others, right to own your own business, right to ruin the environment) And then we'll laugh long and hard as you conservatives get more and more pissed off, just because we won't support your white, male supremacy.

If I was a mod, I would totally ban you. :D
Waynesburg
25-10-2004, 00:54
Munkebrain, this is just one more case of flame-baiting that should have you banned. I personally work for the organization you spoke of, but it's not called ACORN, it's called ACT. We are going to take this election from your scummy, fascist, racist hands, and there's not one damn thing you can do about it. I will be so proud of my fellow ACT members when the 900,000 people that we registered all decide to vote that pathetic, sniveling, little shit George Bush out of office. Picture 20 years of liberal dominance! We'll take all of your "rights" away from you! (right to own guns, right to exploit others, right to own your own business, right to ruin the environment) And then we'll laugh long and hard as you conservatives get more and more pissed off, just because we won't support your white, male supremacy.

If I was a mod, I would totally ban you. :D
Exactly the kind of hatred I want to see running the Nation.
Saipea
25-10-2004, 00:55
Munkebrain, this is just one more case of flame-baiting that should have you banned. I personally work for the organization you spoke of, but it's not called ACORN, it's called ACT. We are going to take this election from your scummy, fascist, racist hands, and there's not one damn thing you can do about it. I will be so proud of my fellow ACT members when the 900,000 people that we registered all decide to vote that pathetic, sniveling, little shit George Bush out of office. Picture 20 years of liberal dominance! We'll take all of your "rights" away from you! (right to own guns, right to exploit others, right to own your own business, right to ruin the environment) And then we'll laugh long and hard as you conservatives get more and more pissed off, just because we won't support your white, male supremacy.

If I was a mod, I would totally ban you. :D

Wow. Aren't you stupid.

People SHOULD have the right to own guns (at least some types of guns; I don't know enough about the encompassing termonologies (e.g. semi-automatic, automatic, etc.) used by politicians on both the left and right to include guns strictly for terrorist/assassination/Rambo use and hunting/home protection use (respectively) to twist the agenda in their favor.)

People SHOULD have the right to exploit others (NOT lie, cheat, or steal; simply to exploit stupid, ignorant, and apathetic people, e.g. religious people)

People SHOULD have the right to run their own business (as long as they don't lie, cheat, steal, or abuse other people, and/or assist in demeaning wage/healthcare standards or the global/local economy irreperably.)


I do agree, however, that people SHOULD NOT have the right to ruin the environment. Granted, the earth heals itself in time (read: several millenia) but not any time soon. Ergo, chemical, air, water, and oil pollution (each according to their respective compound noun meaning) should be severely punished, both for ruining the environment/public health/mankind as a whole, and for wreckless behavior/eventual negative global and local economic ramifications, etc.

However, people SHOULD have the right to express their own opinions/facts/lies/dreams/interests/articles without pointless and crude threats about "banning" from mods for sketchy and non-existant claims of flame baiting et al.
And I'm quite glad you aren't a mod.
Incertonia
25-10-2004, 00:56
Exactly the kind of hatred I want to see running the Nation.
MunkeBrain has been deated before for just this kind of crap, and he'd be crying like a kid with a skinned knee if we said anything similar about Bush or the Republicans. He's a hypocrite and a punk.
Comandante
25-10-2004, 00:59
I am aware of the open bigotry of my statements. I just wanted to piss MunkeBrain off. I'm trying to help start a post-election civil war, and I have to get each side as riled up as possible. It's all about them alterior motives! Booyah!
Ashmoria
25-10-2004, 01:00
the FOOLS!
don't they know that alqaida supports BUSH?
Sukafitz
25-10-2004, 01:02
Well, there's so many terrorists in Ohio, what could they do?
Saipea
25-10-2004, 01:03
MunkeBrain has been deated before for just this kind of crap, and he'd be crying like a kid with a skinned knee if we said anything similar about Bush or the Republicans. He's a hypocrite and a punk.

I didn't know this / know if this is true, but nevertheless, the poster I replied to is more of a visible nutjob and nuisance than Munkebrain's poorly-veiled Republican-slanted article posting.

Note that I said Republican, I can't even claim that he's a conservative or not by his post. He could just have a heavy misconception of the Democratic party, like I had of the entire Republican party. (I still think most are ignorant, selfish, and evil religious people, though).
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 01:03
Munkebrain, this is just one more case of flame-baiting that should have you banned. I personally work for the organization you spoke of, but it's not called ACORN, it's called ACT. We are going to take this election from your scummy, fascist, racist hands, and there's not one damn thing you can do about it. I will be so proud of my fellow ACT members when the 900,000 people that we registered all decide to vote that pathetic, sniveling, little shit George Bush out of office. Picture 20 years of liberal dominance! We'll take all of your "rights" away from you! (right to own guns, right to exploit others, right to own your own business, right to ruin the environment) And then we'll laugh long and hard as you conservatives get more and more pissed off, just because we won't support your white, male supremacy.



If I was a mod, I would totally ban you. :D



Go take your medicine.
OceanDrive
25-10-2004, 01:04
the FOOLS!
don't they know that alqaida supports BUSH?Nah...Ossama does not like, or "supports" Bush....he wants Bush to stay at the White house....but he does not "support" him
Comandante
25-10-2004, 01:06
Go take your medicine.


Piss up a rope.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 01:07
Nah...Ossama does not like, or "supports" Bush....he wants Bush to stay at the White house....but he does not "support" him
Well, he is running on the democrat ticket for the senate in Illinois. He pro bably hates President Bush.
Saipea
25-10-2004, 01:08
I am aware of the open bigotry of my statements. I just wanted to piss MunkeBrain off. I'm trying to help start a post-election civil war, and I have to get each side as riled up as possible. It's all about them alterior motives! Booyah!

Yes, but though I can claim to be quite liberal, I am by no means liberal beyond reason or without reason, and can find common grounds with most topics of our conservative opponents.
Kleptonis
25-10-2004, 01:15
Thanks for the article Munke. I find that the articles you post are a good way to learn which news sources I can safely dismiss as biased.
Gymoor
25-10-2004, 01:19
Well, he is running on the democrat ticket for the senate in Illinois. He pro bably hates President Bush.

Wow, Republicans really suck if Keyes is trailing Osama* by 40 points.


Barak Obama, you idiot. My choice for Pres in 2012.
Comandante
25-10-2004, 01:22
I didn't know this / know if this is true, but nevertheless, the poster I replied to is more of a visible nutjob and nuisance than Munkebrain's poorly-veiled Republican-slanted article posting.



But I'll give a perfectly logical explanation. I am making an attempt to enrage MunkeBrain. His boundless and ignorant posts have tried enough of my patience, and his responses to what I pose logically are something like this: "that's liberal media spin" or "you stupid commie-pinko". Now it is my turn to piss him off. And besides, 20 years of liberal dominance would be a beautiful thing! With the steps that Bush has taken to alienate the liberal population, we have become so enraged that we are going to be turning out in huge numbers in this election to defeat Bush. The political gains that will be made in this election will impact the next 20 years of political process. What does that mean? No more guns (albeit assault weapons, but I like to generalize), no more exploitation (Strengthened labor unions will help to ensure livable wages for all Americans). There will still be business ownership, it is just my personal dream to have that taken away.


Oh, curious, have any of you heard this before? The Federal Reserve is actually a private account. Though this may seem like a lie, if you inquire into this, you will find that the Federal Reserve is owned by a few families. The Rothchilds, the Carnegies, The Vanderbilts, the Hapsburgs, and a number of others. This means that the entire banking system of the United States is owned by a few people, and at any moment, America could be plunged into a depression of enormous magnitude, if any of these families decided that they wanted to make a large enough withdrawal.
Chodolo
25-10-2004, 01:22
Well, he is running on the democrat ticket for the senate in Illinois. He pro bably hates President Bush.
huh? You're a funny guy.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 01:24
Thanks for the article Munke. I find that the articles you post are a good way to learn which news sources I can safely dismiss as biased.
Thanks to you as well, you now have provided me with a guage to what mainstream America thinks. Whatever you think, mainstream America disagrees.
Comandante
25-10-2004, 01:25
Yes, but though I can claim to be quite liberal, I am by no means liberal beyond reason or without reason, and can find common grounds with most topics of our conservative opponents.


As can I, unless they act like MunkeBrain. I am willing to engage in intellingent debate, but when a person brings an obviously loaded topic to the forum, it smacks of the idiocy of the poster. Coincidentally, the only things I have seen MunkeBrain post have been topics such as this one.
Tyrandis
25-10-2004, 01:26
Hapsburgs

...You are a tard, you know that? The Spanish Habsburgs died out with Phillip II of Spain. The Austrian Habsburgs were deposed by the Weimar Republic.

Aside from that, you apparently have NO sense of what the Fed really is.

Read carefully: http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm

Who owns the Federal Reserve?

The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

Now sit down, shut up and drink your milk.
Chodolo
25-10-2004, 01:26
Thanks to you as well, you now have provided me with a guage to what mainstream America thinks. Whatever you think, mainstream America disagrees.
You think you represent mainstream America? :p
The Class A Cows
25-10-2004, 01:39
I find this thread hilarious.

MunkeBrain points out a funny article, not a conspiracy theory, accusation, or FUD, but all the leftists on the forum howl and throw dung at him anyway as if he violated the sancticy of their beliefs.

I do believe MunkeBrain may have been looking for exactly such an unwarranted response but I do think the leftie gang here have outdone themselves today with this sheer over-reaction. There isnt even any guarentee the article is true and, with a simple, open-minded reading it would have really shown up as little more than a classic "weird news" blip.
Onion Pirates
25-10-2004, 01:42
Here's a link to a good organization.

http://www.acorn.org/

Of course republicans are furious about voter registration drives. The last thing they want is for average citizens to take control of the government.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 01:42
I find this thread hilarious.

MunkeBrain points out a funny article, not a conspiracy theory, accusation, or FUD, but all the leftists on the forum howl and throw dung at him anyway as if he violated the sancticy of their beliefs.

I do believe MunkeBrain may have been looking for exactly such an unwarranted response but I do think the leftie gang here have outdone themselves today with this sheer over-reaction. There isnt even any guarentee the article is true and, with a simple, open-minded reading it would have really shown up as little more than a classic "weird news" blip. :D
Incertonia
25-10-2004, 02:07
Wow, Republicans really suck if Keyes is trailing Osama* by 40 points.


Barak Obama, you idiot. My choice for Pres in 2012.There's a terrific article on the Obama/Keyes debate over at the New Republic--and it's rare for me to say that there's a great article of any kind at TNR. :D

Here's a sample:Obama is an unconventionally gifted politician, but even an incompetent one--let's go farther, actually: even a dolphin or trained seal--could have done better last night than Alan Keyes. All Obama had to do yesterday was play the Earthling card; Keyes took care of the rest.
Gymoor
25-10-2004, 02:10
Obama is an unconventionally gifted politician, but even an incompetent one--let's go farther, actually: even a dolphin or trained seal--could have done better last night than Alan Keyes. All Obama had to do yesterday was play the Earthling card; Keyes took care of the rest.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You owe me a new keyboard, there seems to be coffee spittle all over mine now.
Ashmoria
25-10-2004, 02:10
Nah...Ossama does not like, or "supports" Bush....he wants Bush to stay at the White house....but he does not "support" him
point taken
Roach-Busters
25-10-2004, 02:13
It's Newsmax. I wouldn't give it too much credibility.

Never heard of 'em. Are there any other outrageous stories they've had that you can cite?
Incertonia
25-10-2004, 02:15
Never heard of 'em. Are there any other outrageous stories they've had that you can cite?
Just go to the website. They're like the Weekly World News mixed with the Onion, only they're serious about it. And far too many people take them seriously.
Urifie
25-10-2004, 02:17
Okay, I'm bored so I might as well say something here as most of the other threads I was reading seem to have died...

I agree with those who said that this was basically a wierd news blip, of course the Democratic Party is not looking for terrorists as voters. That would undermine everything Sen. Kerry has been putting forward and almost assure a win for Pres Bush.

However, Munke had every right to post what he read on this board. Personal freedom. Does that mean everyone has to agree with him? No. Again, personal freedom.

However, there IS a trend that is noticable on this board. Left leaning topics, be it severe or slight, tend to be the majority. And when someone posts something that goes against this norm, they are basically assualted. I agree that people should be allowed to challenge other opinions, but do it with fact not blatant assualt. You may JUST be doing it to rile someone up but in the long run that hurts your case as well as those with legitimate views similar to yours.

<Climbs off soapbox and opens a can of Coke>
Roach-Busters
25-10-2004, 02:19
Just go to the website. They're like the Weekly World News mixed with the Onion, only they're serious about it. And far too many people take them seriously.

Like the Onion, but serious...

Lol, I think that gives me a pretty good idea! :D
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 02:22
Okay, I'm bored so I might as well say something here as most of the other threads I was reading seem to have died...

I agree with those who said that this was basically a wierd news blip, of course the Democratic Party is not looking for terrorists as voters. That would undermine everything Sen. Kerry has been putting forward and almost assure a win for Pres Bush.

However, Munke had every right to post what he read on this board. Personal freedom. Does that mean everyone has to agree with him? No. Again, personal freedom.

However, there IS a trend that is noticable on this board. Left leaning topics, be it severe or slight, tend to be the majority. And when someone posts something that goes against this norm, they are basically assualted. I agree that people should be allowed to challenge other opinions, but do it with fact not blatant assualt. You may JUST be doing it to rile someone up but in the long run that hurts your case as well as those with legitimate views similar to yours.

<Climbs off soapbox and opens a can of Coke>
While I have been guitly of flaming people, I have not flamed on person on this site today, yet I am attacked incessantly with persanl insults.
Incertonia
25-10-2004, 02:24
While I have been guitly of flaming people, I have not flamed on person on this site today, yet I am attacked incessantly with persanl insults.
You want a cookie or something? :rolleyes:
Urifie
25-10-2004, 02:33
I just notice the trend of conservative baiting that goes on here. Myself, I'm a moderate in the most serious of ways. I have some views that are extremely liberal, others extremely conservative. I own a gun and like tax breaks but I'm one of the biggest fighters FOR gay marriage.

That being said, even when I see someone fighting for the same "liberal" view I might have, I often stop halfway down the post because its usually done in an immature fashion. Fight if you must, but fight with facts. Don't use innuendo or personal attacks as that only takes away your credibility.

An uninformed opinion is worse than no opinion at all. Read more than the NYTimes or the Wall Street Journal. Gain knowledge THEN fight...
The Last Boyscout
25-10-2004, 02:39
If they really were AlQueda terrorists...they would already be behind bars...which brings up my question, one of the two 'Al-queada terroists' registered acording to this article is in fact incarcerated, so he obviously didn't fill out his form personally. Just how did they register him? What you probably have is some joker who thought it'd be funny to falsefy a registration form.
Free Soviets
25-10-2004, 02:39
Wow, Republicans really suck if Keyes is trailing Osama* by 40 points.


Barak Obama, you idiot. My choice for Pres in 2012.

i saw two polls putting it at 45% and 51%. that's right, a 51% lead for obama.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 02:43
i saw two polls putting it at 45% and 51%. that's right, a 51% lead for obama.
At least Osama lives in Illinois, and is not some carpetbagger looking to make money.
Gymoor
25-10-2004, 02:54
At least Osama lives in Illinois, and is not some carpetbagger looking to make money.

You're flaming an individual there, making you a liar as well as an inbred punk.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 03:26
You're flaming an individual there, making you a liar as well as an inbred punk.
How exactly am I a liar?
Gymoor
25-10-2004, 03:28
How exactly am I a liar?

You said in another thread that you never flamed individuals, only groups.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 03:31
You said in another thread that you never flamed individuals, only groups.
Do you mean this?

While I have been guitly of flaming people, I have not flamed on person on this site today, yet I am attacked incessantly with persanl insults.

You go back on the ignore list, you still contribute nothing to the conversation.
The Soviet Americas
25-10-2004, 03:32
At least Osama lives in Illinois, and is not some carpetbagger looking to make money.

What the hell kind of retarded comment is that? MunkeBrain, indeed.
Layarteb
25-10-2004, 03:33
Hehe without Democrats there would be no comedy.
Ashmoria
25-10-2004, 03:36
At least Osama lives in Illinois, and is not some carpetbagger looking to make money.

hmmm Urifie, you were sticking up for THIS guy because......?

there are times when conservatives get pounced on, usually from flamers who have their counterparts on the conservative side. if the original poster was trying tohave a serious discussion on a serious topic then its really a shame to have it degenerate into name calling so quickly

munkebrain isnt in that category, he gives as good as he gets. not that GOOD is the word for it mind you.
Onion Pirates
25-10-2004, 03:37
I just notice the trend of conservative baiting that goes on here. Myself, I'm a moderate in the most serious of ways. I have some views that are extremely liberal, others extremely conservative. I own a gun and like tax breaks but I'm one of the biggest fighters FOR gay marriage.

That being said, even when I see someone fighting for the same "liberal" view I might have, I often stop halfway down the post because its usually done in an immature fashion. Fight if you must, but fight with facts. Don't use innuendo or personal attacks as that only takes away your credibility.

An uninformed opinion is worse than no opinion at all. Read more than the NYTimes or the Wall Street Journal. Gain knowledge THEN fight...

Funny, I thought the flame throwers here were pointed in the other direction.

Incertonia always has done research to support his positions. Look here:
http://incertus.blogspot.com/
Gauthier
25-10-2004, 03:51
i saw two polls putting it at 45% and 51%. that's right, a 51% lead for obama.

Obama is charismatic and so forceful a presence, the man has got to be a vampire :D
Chodolo
25-10-2004, 04:00
Hehe without Democrats there would be no comedy.
and without conservatives there would be no war.
MunkeBrain
25-10-2004, 04:01
and without conservatives there would be no war.
True, cuz limpwristed liberals can't even hit a woman from 5 feet away with a pie, why would they defend freedom, or liberate nations, or rebel against tyranny?
Layarteb
25-10-2004, 04:06
and without conservatives there would be no war.

Yes because conservatives are the only ones to start wars. Nevermind that Clinton attack Yugoslavia, LBJ committed forces fully to Vietnam, Kennedy botched up the Bay of Pigs, FDR and Truman reigned over World War II, Truman dropping the bomb, Truman and Korea, and do I need to cite the countless guerilla wars throughout the 70s that liberals often voted for?
Chodolo
25-10-2004, 04:16
Yes because conservatives are the only ones to start wars. Nevermind that Clinton attack Yugoslavia, LBJ committed forces fully to Vietnam, Kennedy botched up the Bay of Pigs, FDR and Truman reigned over World War II, Truman dropping the bomb, Truman and Korea, and do I need to cite the countless guerilla wars throughout the 70s that liberals often voted for?
You notice I did not say "Without American conservatives there would be no war"

If the entire world was populated by liberal people, there would be no war. Every war has been STARTED by conservatives, fascists, etc. The liberals are drawn into it.
7eventeen
25-10-2004, 04:21
You notice I did not say "Without American conservatives there would be no war"

If the entire world was populated by liberal people, there would be no war. Every war has been STARTED by conservatives, fascists, etc. The liberals are drawn into it.
Because liberals do nothing to stand up for their country.
Urifie
25-10-2004, 04:35
Sorry this took so long... Wireless is acting up...

I'm not defending Munke specifically, but rather his right to voice an opinion. Maybe those of you who've dealt with him before know something I don't, but my position stands.

Second, I applaud anyone who takes time to research and discover. That link was interesting but I couldn't help notice a liberal bias. If you had put up conservative and liberal websites to back a point, that would be better. Like I said, only when you know both sides can you find the true middle ground.
Layarteb
25-10-2004, 04:39
You notice I did not say "Without American conservatives there would be no war"

If the entire world was populated by liberal people, there would be no war. Every war has been STARTED by conservatives, fascists, etc. The liberals are drawn into it.

That's right we're the bad guys. I got a newsflash, if the world was a pure liberal state there would be a whole lot of conflict because, much like Marxism, human nature for greed, lust, sloth, etc. (and I am not religious so don't cite that these are human evils not just religious) is ignored...at least conservatives realize humans are evil.
Gymoor
25-10-2004, 04:44
That's right we're the bad guys. I got a newsflash, if the world was a pure liberal state there would be a whole lot of conflict because, much like Marxism, human nature for greed, lust, sloth, etc. (and I am not religious so don't cite that these are human evils not just religious) is ignored...at least conservatives realize humans are evil.

I think that's the thing. Conservatives think people are usually evil, but some can learn to be good. Liberals think people are usually stupid, but some can learn to be smart.
Layarteb
25-10-2004, 04:45
I think that's the thing. Conservatives think people are usually evil, but some can learn to be good. Liberals think people are usually stupid, but some can learn to be smart.

Indeed. Unfortunately when the majority of human is killing, eating, beating, stealing from, and brutazling each other throughout the world the evil idea is more widely seen.
Chodolo
25-10-2004, 04:46
That's right we're the bad guys. I got a newsflash, if the world was a pure liberal state there would be a whole lot of conflict because, much like Marxism, human nature for greed, lust, sloth, etc. (and I am not religious so don't cite that these are human evils not just religious) is ignored...at least conservatives realize humans are evil.
I don't believe people are evil. I guess that is the difference between liberals and conservatives.
Inshallah
25-10-2004, 04:48
This is clear proof Kerry, Edwards, and bin Laden will soon have a three-way gay marriage if Kerry is elected.
Free Soviets
25-10-2004, 04:48
Obama is charismatic and so forceful a presence, the man has got to be a vampire :D

i vant to suck your vote
Gymoor
25-10-2004, 04:52
Indeed. Unfortunately when the majority of human is killing, eating, beating, stealing from, and brutazling each other throughout the world the evil idea is more widely seen.

Ah, but us liberals think that with the proper environment effort and education, most would not have grown up to be killing, eating, beating, stealing, brutalizing thugs.
Urifie
25-10-2004, 04:53
This is clear proof Kerry, Edwards, and bin Laden will soon have a three-way gay marriage if Kerry is elected.

As funny as that is, I actually had to look at the title of the thread to see what the topic was.

Man, we've spun off on a tangent, I love these kinds of threads!
Layarteb
25-10-2004, 04:54
Ah, but us liberals think that with the proper environment effort and education, most would not have grown up to be killing, eating, beating, stealing, brutalizing thugs.

You go educate the Congo, I'll stay here and remain undigested. :)
Inshallah
25-10-2004, 04:57
As funny as that is, I actually had to look at the title of the thread to see what the topic was.

Man, we've spun off on a tangent, I love these kinds of threads!

I just like to make fun of all the one-party minds here.