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For those of you who do not live in the United States:
Who do you want to see win the US presidential election?
And if you live in the US (like I do) please do not reply.

John Kerry. Because he can start with a clean record, whereas Bush is satan himself on earth and has no support in the world, except from a handful of countries. I think Kerry might consider more carefully what effect his decisions will have on the rest of the world and not act like a cowboy in international politics.

I doesnt matter really, there isnt a candidate in their system who supports my views

Ohh, there probably is, just not well publicised.

There's definitely no-one who supports my views (because, as an anarchist, I don't accept representative democracy). Anyway, Bush is fucking terrifying, but I think Kerry might be even more dangerous. His policies are virtually the exact same and, if he wins, he's going to have a ridiculous amount of goodwill on his side. Maybe if he loses, the left in the US will cop on and get their act together. "Anything but Bush" is simply bad politics.

Yohoo first poll on US election.

Tough choice here, Kerry or other. Well I will just have to be pragmatic and go for Kerry.

oh give me a brake. Kerry is as much of a pacifist as i am. I even think i saw him at the same buddhist monastary i was at. But is Bush "Satan himself".

If u couoldnt tell im pro kerry

but I think Kerry might be even more dangerous. His policies are virtually the exact same and.

I hope he will prove more true democratic when he gets into office. In this election I believe he is trying to get as close to Bush as possible to steal some votes. After all he's been losing in the polls.

Everything goes in war and politics???

Ohh, there probably is, just not well publicised.

id be suprised :/

Wow - Kerry and Bush are neck and neck!

Everything goes in war and politics???
god no

Kerry. If you can't tell already, only Americans love Bush. The rest of the world doesn't, except for a little part of Australia and about 4 people in Britain.

In Sweden they made a poll and the outcome was about

40% pro Kerry
10% pro Bush
50% don't care

Which shows that swedes care about as much of which president US are going to get as americans do. (and that 10% of the swedish population suffer from severe disillusions and lick their own armpitts.)

I suppose Kerry, but i don't particually like either.

Hell no to Bush or Nader.

Hmmm, a tough one this... It'd have to be Kerry or Other.
Bush is a disaster, not just as far a foreign policy is concerned but also domestic policy. I think Americans deserve a president who's domestic policy doesn't seem solely based around abortion but would Kerry be able to shake himself free of the corporations who seem to have so much influence in US politics? I'm not convinced he can really make much of a difference. But, Bush has to go!

I guess the reason for the low reply ratio and the still close call between the candidates is that it is night in europe. Someone should bump it in 8 hours or so.

Goodnight

Kerry.

Bush will just keep doing is ignorant, useless, counterproductive policies, he should go, for the sake of the entire world.

Offcourse, if you want to see America go lower, support Bush, the idea as got into my mind.. but i pity Americans. May they be saved of bush :P

Kerry.

Bush will just keep doing is ignorant, useless, counterproductive policies, he should go, for the sake of the entire world.

Offcourse, if you want to see America go lower, support Bush, the idea as got into my mind.. but i pity Americans. May they be saved of bush :P

Absolutely, it's 1.20 CET in the early hours of the morning right now. So, we're all in bed instead of voting in this poll (except me, just got woken up by a text message from a friend in Peking!).

Back to sleep now...

Thanks for the pity, we as Americans need it. Bush is killing our country. And about the corperations, Bush has way more money from Halliburton (an oil company Dick Cheney was head of) than Kerry has from all corps. combined. :confused:

Kerry is my man in US politics. But what if they had to make a ...brrrr....Coalition between....uh several paries or opinions. But why am I telling you that, you're all Europeans aren't you?! Or is there perhaps a sneak peeking US cititzen out there. Please endorse the Americans, they really need it these days, and oh yeah by the way: vote Kerry. :)

Kerry is my man in US politics. But what if they had to make a ...brrrr....Coalition between....uh several paries or opinions. But why am I telling you that, you're all Europeans aren't you?! Or is there perhaps a sneak peeking US cititzen out there. Please endorse the Americans, they really need it these days, and oh yeah by the way: vote Kerry. :)

Just got back from teeth brushing. I thought that it was impossible with a coalition in the presidential elections. However we have used it in the swedish governements and it worked rather nice. Personally i believe democracy is much better with this option.

Kerry is my man in US politics. But what if they had to make a ...brrrr....Coalition between....uh several paries or opinions. But why am I telling you that, you're all Europeans aren't you?! Or is there perhaps a sneak peeking US cititzen out there. Please endorse the Americans, they really need it these days, and oh yeah by the way: vote Kerry. :)


No im india and have a coupleof citizenships

Thanks for the pity, we as Americans need it. Bush is killing our country. And about the corperations, Bush has way more money from Halliburton (an oil company Dick Cheney was head of) than Kerry has from all corps. combined. :confused:

Dude this non us only fool.

kerry is a duche. i don't think many people outside the US realize his faults- all they see is someone different than bush. personally, i don't like either. i would prefer someone who would nuke the mid east instead of "liberating it". nuclear war is going to happen in my lifetime, and i feel that we should get it over with now. that way, it is less likely to happen in the future. i was born in america, but now i live in russia.

kerry is a duche. i don't think many people outside the US realize his faults- all they see is someone different than bush. personally, i don't like either. i would prefer someone who would nuke the mid east instead of "liberating it". nuclear war is going to happen in my lifetime, and i feel that we should get it over with now. that way, it is less likely to happen in the future. i was born in america, but now i live in russia.good lord u r a idiot
:mp5:

I don't live in the U.S
I don't care!
:cool:

If I lived in the US I would be really pissed off at the 2 choices I had. I dislike Bush a lot more than Kerry though. I think Kerry might be a bit better on international relations, which I know a lot of Americans don't give 2 fucks about (it seems to be a very inward looking country) but the rest of us kinda do. I liked what I saw of Nader when I saw him on letterman the other week, but then again being slightly left wing in the US is instant fail.

I've already voted for Parker-Guiterrez of the Worker's World Party.
There ARE more choices than the Axis of Evil Party and the Better Than Bush party!

Here! (http://www.solidsharkey.com/ur-quan04.html)

Got to be kerry, although it would be funny if they got exactly 50% each. Then I reckon it's down to hand to hand combat. Oh no wait kerry was in the army so he'd probably win.

If it comes down to that I feel that Britain should just take over the US seeing as they've only got it because we let them have it in the first place. It would be.. a gesture of goodwill

i like Kerry and think he will do the best for america.
thats why i hope Bush will win. :D

Got to be kerry, although it would be funny if they got exactly 50% each. Then I reckon it's down to hand to hand combat. Oh no wait kerry was in the army so he'd probably win.

If it comes down to that I feel that Britain should just take over the US seeing as they've only got it because we let them have it in the first place. It would be.. a gesture of goodwill

Nah if its a tie, Bush wins due to some system of letting some old fogey republicans decide the outcome. At least as is my understanding.

Nader.
I don't really know what he stands for as for some weird reason media is not interested about him. But what I know, I would vote him.
Kerry.
I'm not a fan of Kerry but I have to say he's much more intelligent and honest than Bush.
Bush.
He should clean up his own mess. Actually I'm pretty interested to see how things will go on if he stays in power. Now he has signed the new corporation tax law which gives millions to tobacco and "war" industry.

"71% of Finns would choose Kerry" http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1076154106259

I hope he will prove more true democratic when he gets into office. In this election I believe he is trying to get as close to Bush as possible to steal some votes. After all he's been losing in the polls.

Actually, tracking of poles has shown he's shedding votes by moving to the right. If he had the balls to actually talk about real leftish policies, he might actually get more people to vote for him. But, as I said, "anything but Bush" is bad politics, the American left (and it does exist) should be demanding things of him rather than accepting that he's rubbish, but is better than Bush. Another Bush term might be hellish, but might also lead to a renewed, modern left wing, like Thatcher did in the UK (and I'm not talking about New Labour, more about Reclaim the Streets, et al).

kerry is a duche. i don't think many people outside the US realize his faults- all they see is someone different than bush. personally, i don't like either. i would prefer someone who would nuke the mid east instead of "liberating it". nuclear war is going to happen in my lifetime, and i feel that we should get it over with now. that way, it is less likely to happen in the future. i was born in america, but now i live in russia.
Just keep voting for Putin, you'll get your nuclear war...

Nah if its a tie, Bush wins due to some system of letting some old fogey republicans decide the outcome. At least as is my understanding.
No no no. You're thinking of the Necrovoting system: whichever party gets the least votes from actual living people who are eligible to vote, wins.

If it's a tie, the electorate (?) would probably choose Bush for president, but then again senators would probably choose Edwards for vice president. THAT would be interesting. Of course it could go vice versa. Kerry as president and Cheney as vice president. Either way US would politically freeze for 4 years.

Cause frankly Bush scares me, if he gets back in power. Iran,jordan and N Korea will be next, heck i would'nt be suprised if he pissed of china as well..

Kerry. If you can't tell already, only Americans love Bush. The rest of the world doesn't, except for a little part of Australia and about 4 people in Britain.

Very, very little. And Kerry, mostly because he's an alternative to Bush.

And yea, from polls I've seen, (specifically about this), most people outside the US support Kerry.

In a lot of ways Kerry and Bush are the same, but it's the little details (like their views on Gay-marriage) that make me choose Kerry.

whereas Bush is satan himself on earth .

You are so incredibly insane. If you had said this about John Kerry, I would be saying/thinking the same thing. Clearly you have nothing of value to contribute to anything except your own anger and delusional view of the world and politics.

I realize that you dont mean it literally(the Satan stuff), but can you not accept that a person can have a differant view of the world yet still be a decent person? Do you believe that people who disagree with you are evil?

I realize that you are a student in high school(or younger) but is your mind really so bigoted at such a young age? Close to half of the people in the United States support President Bush. Do you believe them to be evil, or less intelligent/informed about American politics than a little kid from Germany who knows little about America?

Geez, I feel DIRTY even responding to someone so..pathetic and ignorant.

i dont think bush is eval, he has the best inbtrests of America at his hart,
this is the problem,
seeing as america is such an important player in international politics, any one person in that country should have the best intrests of The World at hart, the 'precieved' isolaionist and *whats the word* colonial actions of america over the last 4 years have had a negitive impact on the whole world.

that being said,

i hope bush wins,
it will re -afferm my theory that the universe has a very sick sence of humour :P

Kerry, because he isn't Bush.

You are so incredibly insane. If you had said this about John Kerry, I would be saying/thinking the same thing. Clearly you have nothing of value to contribute to anything except your own anger and delusional view of the world and politics.

I realize that you dont mean it literally(the Satan stuff), but can you not accept that a person can have a differant view of the world yet still be a decent person? Do you believe that people who disagree with you are evil?

I realize that you are a student in high school(or younger) but is your mind really so bigoted at such a young age? Close to half of the people in the United States support President Bush. Do you believe them to be evil, or less intelligent/informed about American politics than a little kid from Germany who knows little about America?

Geez, I feel DIRTY even responding to someone so..pathetic and ignorant.
You dirty little dirtbag you.. tsk tsk... replying to someone as pathetic and ignorant as me. Awwww. How does it feel being a follower of Satan?

I would gladly vote UR-QUAN for 2004 if I lived in America over George Bush. That man is completely fucked. He has managed to turn the US budget surplus into the largest deficit in history. He has single-handedly screwed over the United States economy, spending money on everything and not cutting back, financing these binges by printing more money.

Also, George Bush is pulling some seriously freaky Orwellian shit. Making people live in constant fear of terrorism. Directing the population's hate onto individual figures. Directing how safe people should feel using a system of colours. I believe that George Bush is turning America into a nation ruled by fear and serviced by the incresingly-larger poor, while bullying the world's nations into letting them get away with it.

George Bush will run his country into the ground and, since we are so interconnected, he will indirectly bring down the majority of every industrialised economy on earth.

That's why I would vote to bring back the Soviet Union to it's former glory. We need a powerful nation to oppose America with nukes, and also to play as villians in James Bond films. Terrorrists, Chinese and the French fill the gap, but they will never play a villian as well as the Soviet Union.

You are so incredibly insane. If you had said this about John Kerry, I would be saying/thinking the same thing. Clearly you have nothing of value to contribute to anything except your own anger and delusional view of the world and politics.

I realize that you dont mean it literally(the Satan stuff), but can you not accept that a person can have a differant view of the world yet still be a decent person? Do you believe that people who disagree with you are evil?
The thing is.. Bushbaby doesn't have a world view. He sees:
a) a couple of states that he goes to on the campaign trail
b) some country called Tiraq (Tie Rack? no?)
c) a doormat to the east called Britain
d) a couple of countries which, he's being told, need a touch of US diplomacy
e) his bank balance
And that's about it.

Sources:
Bremner, Bird and Fortune
Dead Ringers
2DTV

That's why I would vote to bring back the Soviet Union to it's former glory. We need a powerful nation to oppose America with nukes, and also to play as villians in James Bond films. Terrorrists, Chinese and the French fill the gap, but they will never play a villian as well as the Soviet Union.
Damn straight Gregoryivich. Hang on, what about Goldfinger?

The thing is.. Bushbaby doesn't have a world view. He sees a couple of states that he goes to on the campaign trail; some country called Tieraq; there's a doormat to the east called Britain; a couple of countries which, he's being told, need a touch of US diplomacy; and then there's his bank balance. And that's about it.

Sources:
Bremner, Bird and Fortune
Dead Ringers
2DTV

Please translate into a language that I can understand without my red ryder decoder ring.

Please translate into a language that I can understand without my red ryder decoder ring.
Done. Now in English with a smattering of bullet points for texture. Red ryder decoder ring.. is a what? Method of distinguishing between your granny and a wolf?

I'm not convinced he [Kerry] can really make much of a difference. But, Bush has to go!
I agree. I admit I am not especially familiar with Kerry's politics, and there's something I don't like about the guy (nothing rational, though). However, and yes it probably is bad politics, but I have to go with 'anything but Bush'. The only candidate that has a hope in hell of beating Bush is Kerry, so I'm afraid it has to be him.

I know it's easy for some to say that the American election is none of our business (my Aunt from the States told me so recently!), and to some extent I see that point, but in pragmatic terms, I think they are going to completely alienate the rest of the world if Bush gets back in - and that's hardly a good idea. Nonetheless, and it pains me to say it, I do think he'll win. Damn.

It doesn't really matter to me (that most rare of things an educated British voter). Both of the candidates are almost identical. If I was forced to choose I'd say Kerry but only because George W. Bush sounds like a cretin.

Am I the only non resident bush supporter here?

Buncha reds...

I think Kerry is worse than Bush because he is more clever.
Bush is a war criminal, like the next random US president, but at least he is not so good at hidding it than the other ones.

I suppose I favour Kerry, in that to have Bush re-elected (officially, at least) might allow him to think that he's been doing alright. I've no idea what might happen should Kerry get in, but he knows he has to keep people convinced to ge re-elected next time round, whereas Bush has no such personal worries if he gets in for a second term. (His party does, maybe, but I think there's probably some people in each major party who says "why cares if we have our own President this time round, we'll get one in sooner or later, and meanwhile we've got the congress and senate to fight over, anyway...")

By the same logic, perhaps I ought to vote against Labour (and therefore Blair) in the UK election, but our electoral system is different anyway (I'm voting for an MP, that MP increases his party's chance of a majority and the majority means that the leader of the party gets to be PM) and there's no limit to the number of terms they can server so (theoretically at least) leaders should always try their best... (In actuality, I know my vote won't affect the swing of my constituency, one way or another. I also like the current MP, don't know much about his potential opposition for the area, and yet am abivalent about the party he represents.)

Well, I didn't vote in the poll (since I live in the US) but I found out what I wanted to. And I'm very pleased with the results. I thought most of the world didn't like Bush and I was right.

Well, I didn't vote in the poll (since I live in the US) but I found out what I wanted to. And I'm very pleased with the results. I thought most of the world didn't like Bush and I was right.
It's not that the world dislikes Bush, more that we see him as a petulant child trying to follow in his daddy's footsteps. It's very sad that American presidential candidate elections deteriorate into mud-slinging and character assassination. Wouldn't catch it happening in Britain, not between Smug-git Howard, Whisky-boy Kennedy and Dubya-sucking Blair.

I voted 'Other', because I'd ideally like to see the Greens or the Socialists win. However, the chance of that happening is roughly equal to that of George Bush marrying Saddam Hussein in a Shi'ite Muslim Mosque. And that's one pretty small chance, so I'm vesting my hopes in Kerry, as no-one else has a chance of shifting Bush.
And my policies aren't -quite- anything but Bush. I prefer him to Michael Peroutka of the Constitution Party. But they have similar chances to the Socialists of getting elected, so there aren't any real worries there.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

I would vote for Nader, as I have always been impressed by the work he and his consumer advocacy group have done. Nevertheless, I do not believe he would win in an election, but since Kerry would win in a landslide should the entire world vote in the US election, I think it would be nice to have people like me show that socialists and environmentalists are more popular internationally than GW Bush.

Bush himself scares me. Any man that would lie to his own people to unilaterally begin a war that has resulted in thousands of civilians being killed by US soldiers, thereby exacerbating the terrorist threat to his own people is a scary man indeed. It is, however, even more frightening when one considers the fact that he believes himself to be on a mission from God, and therefore infallible. Add to this his stance on issues such as abortion and gay marriage, not to mention the Patriot act, and it is not difficult to comprehend why many progressive people feel that he is detrimental to civil rights and freedoms within his own nation. Oddly enough, when his economic policies and track record are considered, many conservatives still support him, despite their belief in a small and fiscally responsible government. Another thing that I find odd, and perhaps someone here can explain this to me, is why the US Armed Forces consider that he, as an individual, would make a better Commander-in-Chief than Kerry, who has actually had combat experience.

The only good thing about Bush, from an international point of view, is that he is so stupid and obvious as to be transparent. If you were to compare him to his father, it is plain to see that Bush Sr. was far more cunning and therefore more unprdictable.