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Here is novel piece of news: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041020-025642-9944r.htm

It seems Bill Clinton is seeking to be installed the first US Secretary General of the UN and he has some enthusiastic backing - outside the US. What are the odds? Is it a good idea? What do you think?

It all depends on whether George Bush or John Kerry is president in 2006.

It all depends on whether George Bush or John Kerry is president in 2006.
Sure it does. But assume the road is open to him. What do you think of the notion?

He is much better than that half-wit that runs it now. I wouldn't let Kofi Annan plan a trip to the store, he just seems stupid to me.

Clinton as Secretary-General would prbably make Republicans hate the UN even more!

Man Bill is so immoral he'd give the UN a worse reputation (if thats possable)

International nookie. :)

Clinton as Secretary-General would prbably make Republicans hate the UN even more!
Not Possible. Although you have to admit it sure is good timing for them to have this come out right before the election.

Man Bill is so immoral he'd give the UN a worse reputation (if thats possable)

*Laughs*
Right.
So Clinton (A man of whom I think did an excellent job running your country, at least from a foriegner's POV) get's a little side action (By no means the only human in the universe to ever cheat...) and lies about it.

And eventually he is nearly kicked out of Office for it.

Meanwhile, Bush (A man of impeccable morals... :rolleyes: ) Lies to a nation, and get's people killed over it.
I don't think anyone (Certainly not some 10,000) died because Clinton lied. BUt I do know they did cause Bush did.

Besides, You could do a -lot- worse than put Clinton into the UN. He'd do awesome IMO.

International nookie. :)
:) He gets that here in NYC. But it would allow him greater opportunity to get away from the Mrs.

take me back

He is much better than that half-wit that runs it now. I wouldn't let Kofi Annan plan a trip to the store, he just seems stupid to me.

i dont think kofi is stupid, its just tat hes a man of principal over action. hes so afriad of not pleaseing all sides that he ends up doing nothing. or, he could get so caught up in a complex web of interantional politics that a relitley simple action always ends up just turning ing "economic sanctions" on countrys so deep in their own shit that i could not get any worse anyway. Although Bill didnt finish the job in Bosnia, he did respect the UN and the international community and restrained the nation from going all in by commiting ground troops with no exit plan. Thats the difference between he and bush. the differnece between kofi and bill is that Bill may be more assertive and kofi, but not crazy beserker assertive like dubya. I think he, like kofi, is a well respected and compsed international figure. Under Kofi, the UN is slowly losing its grip on the world community and may eventually become irrelivant in a few decades, just like the league of nations after WWI.
just a thought

Secretary General? Nah--I'm thinking Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. God, wouldn't that make a Freeper's head explode.

Seriously, though, he'd be good at the job, assuming he really wants it. This is the Washington Times we're talking about, after all.

Clinton as Secretary-General would prbably make Republicans hate the UN even more!

Republicons love the UN. Even though Bush 'defied' it, he has always been full of praise for it.

Now women`s behinds from all over the world will be felt! :p

It would make sense. Clinton is an ardent internationalist- his love of the globe far exceeds his love (or lack thereof) for his own country.

Republicons love the UN. Even though Bush 'defied' it, he has always been full of praise for it.
Whatever about Bush (interacting with the UN is part of his job) almost all of the UN bashing that I hear from America comes from Republicans.

And remember, Clinton also defied the UN when he ordered NATO to attack Bosnia.

Ok ... so long as there are see-through tables!

It would make sense. Clinton is an ardent internationalist- his love of the globe far exceeds his love (or lack thereof) for his own country.
Come on let's not get into calling our political opponents "unpatriotic".

It would make sense. Clinton is an ardent internationalist- his love of the globe far exceeds his love (or lack thereof) for his own country.
You call it a love for the globe--others call it a far-seeing vision of the inevitable future, that either we pull together or we destroy ourselves.

Republicons love the UN. Even though Bush 'defied' it, he has always been full of praise for it.
I think that statement requires more thought than what they voice publicly. There is a strong America first element that opposes compromising with any international bodies and least of all the UN. Much has been made of the ICC and American troops under the command and color of UN commanders.

From the movie Clue (which if you haven't seen you really should):

Wadsworth: Professor Plum, you were once a professor of psychiatry, specializing in helping paranoid and homicidal lunatics suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Plum: Yes, but now I work for the United Nations.

Wadsworth: So, your work has not changed
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Miss Scarlet: I hardly think it will enhance your reputation at the U.N. Professor Plum, if it's revealed that you have been implicated not only in adultery with one of your patients, but in her death and the deaths of five other people.

Plum: You don't know what kind of people they have at the U.N., I might go up in their estimation.
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Long story short: let Clinton have the UN, hell he might actually be able to instill some morals in them.

Well, when he was president, Yasser Arafat was the world leader that went to the White House the most. Now, many politicians will tell you he is either a terrorist or a madman.
However, I think that Bill can have the UN Secretary-General spot. From an American point of view, he'd be perfect for it. His foreign policy stances seem to match that of the US's today, so it'd be in the US's best interests. However, if he gets to be the Secretary General, Hillary Clinton shouldn't run for president. They'd be the most powerful married couple on the planet.

It would make sense. Clinton is an ardent internationalist- his love of the globe far exceeds his love (or lack thereof) for his own country.
You call it a love for the globe--others call it a far-seeing vision of the inevitable future, that either we pull together or we destroy ourselves.
If the entire spectrum of possibility between the xenophobic unilateralism and the burned out, acid headed one world government stretched from a xenophobic ten to a zoinked out zero with five being the balance point where would you place Bush, Kerry and Clinton?

From the movie Clue (which if you haven't seen you really should):

Wadsworth: Professor Plum, you were once a professor of psychiatry, specializing in helping paranoid and homicidal lunatics suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Plum: Yes, but now I work for the United Nations.

Wadsworth: So, your work has not changed
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Miss Scarlet: I hardly think it will enhance your reputation at the U.N. Professor Plum, if it's revealed that you have been implicated not only in adultery with one of your patients, but in her death and the deaths of five other people.

Plum: You don't know what kind of people they have at the U.N., I might go up in their estimation.
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Long story short: let Clinton have the UN, hell he might actually be able to instill some morals in them.
LMAO! World Leaders; what knucleheads, eh?

Well, when he was president, Yasser Arafat was the world leader that went to the White House the most. Now, many politicians will tell you he is either a terrorist or a madman.
However, I think that Bill can have the UN Secretary-General spot. From an American point of view, he'd be perfect for it. His foreign policy stances seem to match that of the US's today, so it'd be in the US's best interests. However, if he gets to be the Secretary General, Hillary Clinton shouldn't run for president. They'd be the most powerful married couple on the planet.
Now THAT would be interesting! To be a fly on their wall!

This is nothing new, people have been guessing that he was trying to do this since about 1998.

If the entire spectrum of possibility between the xenophobic unilateralism and the burned out, acid headed one world government stretched from a xenophobic ten to a zoinked out zero with five being the balance point where would you place Bush, Kerry and Clinton?I'd put Kerry at about a 6, Clinton at about a 5, and Bush somewhere between the national debt and infinity squared.

Here is novel piece of news: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041020-025642-9944r.htm

It seems Bill Clinton is seeking to be installed the first US Secretary General of the UN and he has some enthusiastic backing - outside the US. What are the odds? Is it a good idea? What do you think?

Why not? It'd make the UN more exciting.

Seriously, has reporting gotten this lazy:
He has talked of his interest in taking over at the United Nations since the publication of his commercially successful autobiography, which he recently said had sold 1.9 million copies.

They don't have a way of looking that up? Christ o' mighty, someone down the hall should have known that.

Goddamn our press has gotten %&$*#&#* lazy.

EDIT:Pronoun troubles.

Seriously, has reporting gotten this lazy:


That don't have a way of looking that up? Christ o' mighty, someone down the hall should have known that.

Goddamn our press has gotten %&$*#&#* lazy.

If it doesn't involve good looking women and Bill doing something naughty with them, it's not press-worthy! :p

Bill Clinton as Secretary-General of the United Nations...

Just think of all the hot exotic foreign interns! :fluffle: :p

I think that Bill Clinton would be an... interesting choice.

On one hand, he's one of the most well respected U.S. presidents in international circles.

On the other hand, many people already think that the U.N. is a puppet for the U.S. putting a former U.S. president as U.N.Secretary General might make their point more mainstream.

Clinton would make a good Secretary General. ^_^

It all depends on whether George Bush or John Kerry is president in 2006.

no it doesnt, neither one wants him there.

Bush for obvious reasons

Kerry because
a) Clinton's gang and the Kennedy's arent the closest of groups and Kerry falls into the Kennedy camp
b) Last thing Kerry wants is Clinton sucking up limelight during a Kerry presidency + potential Hillary run

Who knows, they may have struck a deal to get Clinton to campaign for Kerry though in return for his support.

Secretary General? Nah--I'm thinking Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. God, wouldn't that make a Freeper's head explode.

Seriously, though, he'd be good at the job, assuming he really wants it. This is the Washington Times we're talking about, after all.

I believe Clinton has been disbarred. So he cant be a judge let alone on the Supreme Court. Besides, You would need and overwhelming democratic Senate to get him confirmed.

Bill Clinton as Secretary-General of the United Nations...

Just think of all the hot exotic foreign interns! :fluffle: :p

Plus, he would have diplomatic immunity.

Bill Clinton cannot be Secretary General even if everyone wanted him to be and if he himself wanted to be.
UN regulations forbid the main members of the security council from controlling the Secretary General position.

Look at the Secretary Generals to date and you will see.

Sir Gladwyn Jebb (UK) 1945-1946 acting
Trygve Lie (Norway) 1946- resignation in 1952
Dag Hammarskjold (Sweden) 1953- death in plane crash in Northern Rhodesia in 1961
U Thant (Myanmar) 1961-1971
Kurt Waldheim (Austria) 1972-1981
Javier Perez de Cuellar (Peru) 1982-1991
Boutros Boutros-Ghali (Egypt) 1992-1996 (American Veto to his second term)
Kofi Annan (Ghana) 1997- .....

Supposedly it is to prevent the worlds most powerful nations from dominating the smaller nations and from using the UN for their own ends, it was the Cold War after all.....

I believe Clinton has been disbarred. So he cant be a judge let alone on the Supreme Court. Besides, You would need and overwhelming democratic Senate to get him confirmed.
Not disbarred--his license was temporarily suspended in Arkansas (5 years) and he's no longer cleared to practice before the Supreme Court. Plus, surprisingly, there's no rule that requires one to be a lawyer to be a judge. It shocked me as well when I found that out years ago.

That said, I know Clinton would never be nominated for the Supreme Court, no matter whether he was qualified or not. I was just suggesting it because I'd like to see the Freepers get agitated about it, and hell, it would give Dick Morris a reason to live.

Man Bill is so immoral he'd give the UN a worse reputation (if thats possable)

The guy got a blow job and lied about it, get over it already. I swear all the people who still use that against Clinton is because they couldn't get a blow job to save their lives and are just jealous..lol

He's taking his love for the ladies internationally.

Not disbarred--his license was temporarily suspended in Arkansas (5 years) and he's no longer cleared to practice before the Supreme Court. Plus, surprisingly, there's no rule that requires one to be a lawyer to be a judge. It shocked me as well when I found that out years ago.

That said, I know Clinton would never be nominated for the Supreme Court, no matter whether he was qualified or not. I was just suggesting it because I'd like to see the Freepers get agitated about it, and hell, it would give Dick Morris a reason to live.


I didnt know that.

as to Dick Morris, I think he likes Bill. Its Hillary he has issues with. You gotta love Morris though, the guy is amazing. The man has no intrinsic beliefs what so ever. no wrong or right. Its all political expediency. And he makes no bones about it. Amazing.

I guess some people become serial killers and others become kingmakers.

Well, at least Bill never let terrorists get their hands on 380 tons of unsecured explosives...but I guess a blow job is way more important.

Well, at least Bill never let terrorists get their hands on 380 tons of unsecured explosives...but I guess a blow job is way more important.

Ha! To some of these teenage boys, it probably is.. *LOL* :D

Ha! To some of these teenage boys, it probably is.. *LOL* :D

True. A blow job in the right hands...er...mouth is pretty explosive.

Bill Clinton cannot be Secretary General even if everyone wanted him to be and if he himself wanted to be.
UN regulations forbid the main members of the security council from controlling the Secretary General position.

Look at the Secretary Generals to date and you will see.

Sir Gladwyn Jebb (UK) 1945-1946 acting
Trygve Lie (Norway) 1946- resignation in 1952
Dag Hammarskjold (Sweden) 1953- death in plane crash in Northern Rhodesia in 1961
U Thant (Myanmar) 1961-1971
Kurt Waldheim (Austria) 1972-1981
Javier Perez de Cuellar (Peru) 1982-1991
Boutros Boutros-Ghali (Egypt) 1992-1996 (American Veto to his second term)
Kofi Annan (Ghana) 1997- .....

Supposedly it is to prevent the worlds most powerful nations from dominating the smaller nations and from using the UN for their own ends, it was the Cold War after all.....

I love that name, U Thant. Pronounced "oo taunt," right? Love it.

In any case, it's a shame if he can't do it, because he's probably even more suited for a job like this than he was the presidency. It's a job where good PR and loads of bullshit actually accomplish things, and Bill's the best. Gotta love Bill!