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Please answer the poll, and then please EXPLAIN WHY. Thank you.

Had President Bush not gone into Iraq, would you still hate him?

A. Yes! Burn in Hell!
B. No, I wouldn't hate him, but I still would not vote for him
C. No, and I would consider voting for him
D. Had he not gone into Iraq, I would have voted for him

I wouldn't hate the man, but I would still not vote for him. Not that I care much for John Kerry, but I think the US president should at least be somewhat centrist in his policies. I wish we had a run off so men like McCain could run...

if it wasnt for the iraqi war and the sept 11 crap everyone would be able to see what a fool bush is and would want him out of office, he just wants to stay in wars so people will think hes a good war president and ostracise anyone who says anything bad about him "cuz hes president"

Iraq is the main reason I despise him. He is (albeit indirectly) killing our troops in Iraq for two main reasons:

(1): to finish the job his daddy didn't and
(2): for the oil that the Mid-East is rather well-known for having.

"Hating" Bush isn't something one does because of the war. He represents all that is inherently wrong with the US system of cultural and economical imperialism. The idea that all civilised life originates from the continental US and that should anything (Sept. 11th for instance) disrupt their cosy little world then revenge must be waged, woe-betide anyone caught in the cross-fire.

For instance, no one [*edit*] within the mainstream political spectrum [/*edit*] considers that maybe the actions of the US prior to Sept 11th had anything to do with the attack (the funding of Al Qaeda in the Soviet-Afghani war for instance). No, it is assumed that these people hate the States for its "freedom".

Bush represents the growth of the Xtian Right, the plain stupidity that certain aspects of US culture seems to require to exist (witness people supporting Bush because "big bad John 'Liberal' Kerry" mad him look stupid throughout the debates, as though intellectualism or debating skill is a demeritous atribute). And finally, anyone who can make Kerry look like a liberal has some serious questions to answer to.

Don't vote Bush. Don't vote Kerry. Write to the Democrats and tell them that this year you won't be voting because you will not choose the lesser of two evils. Instead, form an anti-war group, demand the ratification of Kyoto, complain against Fox, there is so much to do. Don't vote Kerry, sit back, pat yourself on the back and say all is well with the world.

Even if Kerry wins, the world will still be in a pretty bad place.

[Woo seriously OT now sorry]

What is the difference between Vietnam and Iraq?

Bush had a plan to get out of Vietnam.

Iraq is the main reason I despise him. He is (albeit indirectly) killing our troops in Iraq for two main reasons:

(1): to finish the job his daddy didn't and
(2): for the oil that the Mid-East is rather well-known for having.


i am so tired of oil,oil, oil...was Bosnia not a war for oil...hell yeah it was the world needed a pipeline so the U.N. went into bosnia long enough to get one secured then left ..allowing genocide to continue...but wasn't that the reason we went there?...the oil for food program..hmm just another way the U.N. set up paying saddam for oil..the U.N. security council votes against military action in Iraq..why to keep their precious oil provider...screw oil...i would rather we have control then anybody else...if we really went to war for oil we are sure doing a shitty job of taking it all over...besides even if we do take it we can sell it without having to keep seeling our souls to allah for it..thanx...

" And finally, anyone who can make Kerry look like a liberal has some serious questions to answer to.]


Kerry has alot of answering to do..his voting record in the senate..what little there is makes himself look extremely liberal...

Hate him?

No.

Be turned against him for the 9/11 commission revealing his admin's incompetence?

Yes.

Not many Bush supporters remember how profundly unpopular he was before 9/11. Without 9/11 Bush probably would have lost the Senate and the House for the Republicans. Bush is simply an incompetent who has politically apt but administratively useless underlings.

Kerry has alot of answering to do..his voting record in the senate..what little there is makes himself look extremely liberal...

Sure it does...when your sources only show those votes that make him look liberal. The other 90% of his votes are pretty damn moderate.

Oh, and just to show how biased your sources are, Kerry actually holds a record for the number of votes he's made.

Kerry has alot of answering to do..his voting record in the senate..what little there is makes himself look extremely liberal...
You have to get off the nipple now and then (follow the link) (http://factcheck.org/article284.html)

So, anyway-I made one prediction when Bush was elected:
Comedy would get funnier and punk rock would get its teeth back.

Pandering to the corporations while chiding 'special intrests' (corporations are a special intrest, dammit), raping the enviroment (seriously, 'solving' the problem of forest fires by getting rid of forests?), attempting to be the first president to add an amendment that limits freedoms, squandering good will after 9/11, dropping the ball (taking the immense urge to volunteer and instead of focusing us on our communities he told us to shop)-yeah, Iraq is only the icing on the cake.

I do not hate President Bush. I dislike his foreign and domestic policies, but these are not reasons to hate him as a person. That being said, I would not vote for President Bush even if he did not invade Iraq. Invading Iraq only fuels my fire to not re-elect him. The American excuse to invade a sovereign country has changed from assumptions of building weapons of mass destruction to ties to al Qaeda to this week's liberation of the people. The job of our nation is to not invade coutries whose governments we do not like.

I also dislike that my friends from high school and college are being sent to and dying for a cause that keeps changing. If anything, the American reasoning to attack Iraq is flip-flopping.

I will not vote for Bush for reasons besides the war in Iraq. Have we caught Osama bin Laden yet? What about outsourcing of American jobs? No Child Left Behind? No-bid contracts to reap the benefits of war? Gay marriage?

John Kerry isn't my first choice for Democratic candidate for president, despite the fact that I am quite liberal. If John McCain were running for Republican canidate for president, I would vote for McCain over Kerry. Besides, McCain didn't forget Poland.

Iraq was what pushed me from dislike to hatred for Bush. I'd never have voted for him either way, but the arrogance, the deceit, and the callous disregard for life shown by these people who actively avoided combat themselves and then had the temerity to talk tough, the pusillanimity all the way around, and most importantly, the nightly rundown of the men and women killed in Iraq for no good reason on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer are what transformed my dislike of Bush into hatred. And he's earned it.

Without the Illegal war...I would not have bothered Voting at all...cos I dont like Kerry.

It would have been like this:
pls Choose from either the Chimp...or the spineless bore...ugh...I just stay home thaks

I probably wouldn't hate him specifically if he hadn't started the war, but as an anarchist, I'd still be highly critical of him.

I wouldn't hate him... i don't hate people easily. He's just a complete idiot who i find extremely incapable of running our government.

I'm still bristling over Fahrenheit 9/11. Bush is too much a fool to hate. So I pity him. And what kind of intelligent person would want to vote out of pity?

I'm still bristling over Fahrenheit 9/11. Bush is too much a fool to hate. So I pity him. And what kind of intelligent person would want to vote out of pity?

And you are an incompetent fool if you base your entire opinion of Bush on that ridiculously biased movie.

What is the difference between Vietnam and Iraq?

Bush had a plan to get out of Vietnam.

haha I love this :D

Well I don't hate Bush but I'm certainly not voting for him. Even if you don't include terrorism and the war I'd say he's still a bad president.

my intense dislike for prez bush comes from his invasion of iraq. to waste the lives of our soldiers and many many thousands of iraqis for his "i dont even know what his freaking motivation IS" is just too much for any thinking person to stand

but had he not invaded iraq, his other numerous failures would have kept me from voting for him. or, since i have never voted for a republican, i would have kept me from being OK with the thought if him getting re-elected.

I think that without 9/11 Bush would have had a lame duck presidency and I would not even notice that our government was doing anything.

I guess a more accurate answer would be that if 9/11 had not happened I would not hate Bush. The popularity he gained from that gave him the political muscle to pass decissions that I personally strongly disagree with.

And you are an incompetent fool if you base your entire opinion of Bush on that ridiculously biased movie.

And where, exactly, did the person you just attacked say that they based their entire opinion on a single movie? This is the kind of incompetent, secretive and intentionally misleading partisan hackery displayed by the Bush administration that makes me have nothing but disdain for their time in office.

I do not hate President Bush. I dislike his foreign and domestic policies, but these are not reasons to hate him as a person. That being said, I would not vote for President Bush even if he did not invade Iraq. Invading Iraq only fuels my fire to not re-elect him. The American excuse to invade a sovereign country has changed from assumptions of building weapons of mass destruction to ties to al Qaeda to this week's liberation of the people. The job of our nation is to not invade coutries whose governments we do not like.

I also dislike that my friends from high school and college are being sent to and dying for a cause that keeps changing. If anything, the American reasoning to attack Iraq is flip-flopping.

I will not vote for Bush for reasons besides the war in Iraq. Have we caught Osama bin Laden yet? What about outsourcing of American jobs? No Child Left Behind? No-bid contracts to reap the benefits of war? Gay marriage?

John Kerry isn't my first choice for Democratic candidate for president, despite the fact that I am quite liberal. If John McCain were running for Republican canidate for president, I would vote for McCain over Kerry. Besides, McCain didn't forget Poland.

McCain is more competent, but he would likely drag all sorts of assholes into office with him. And Kerry didn't mention Poland because they announced they are leaving.