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Other than the remarks against George Bush; what is John Kerry promising?

If you really want to find out what John Kerry says and wants, go to http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html and read up. Its the easiest thing in the world.

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I've been to his website and it certainly says "what they will do", but it doesn't say "how they will do it". Reading it is like reading a basic political speech; they tell you what you want to hear.

Which makes them different from any other politicians how ?

He is saying that he voted for the $87 Billion befre he voted against it.

Yes yes and Bush said that they misunderestimated him.

well you ASKED what he is promising not how he is going to do it

getting it done depends on if the republican congress can leave its bitterness behind and actually WORK with a democratic president. some things can be done some cant.

he is promising to repair our foreign relations, i think he can do that

he is promising "peace with honor" in iraq (old phrase from the end of the vietnam war) THAT is kind of up to the iraqis as much as us.

he is promising to get the people who are currently uninsured, insured through some kind of federal program. he probably cant get that done unless he wins by a huge margin.

he is promising getting spending under control, rolling back tax cuts for people making over $200,000/year. it would be hard going, but he can do it.

he is promising doing better on the environment, increasing funding for stem cell research, removing tax incentives for outsourcing (im unclear on just what that means changing in the tax code) he has a shot at those things.

im sure there is more. some of it will be good for you some of it wont. some you agree with, some you dont. if you LOOK at what he wants, he is either your man or he isnt. its better to vote on issues than on slanders by opponents.

well you ASKED what he is promising not how he is going to do it

getting it done depends on if the republican congress can leave its bitterness behind and actually WORK with a democratic president. some things can be done some cant.

he is promising to repair our foreign relations, i think he can do that

he is promising "peace with honor" in iraq (old phrase from the end of the vietnam war) THAT is kind of up to the iraqis as much as us.

he is promising to get the people who are currently uninsured, insured through some kind of federal program. he probably cant get that done unless he wins by a huge margin.

he is promising getting spending under control, rolling back tax cuts for people making over $200,000/year. it would be hard going, but he can do it.

he is promising doing better on the environment, increasing funding for stem cell research, removing tax incentives for outsourcing (im unclear on just what that means changing in the tax code) he has a shot at those things.

im sure there is more. some of it will be good for you some of it wont. some you agree with, some you dont. if you LOOK at what he wants, he is either your man or he isnt. its better to vote on issues than on slanders by opponents.

The structure of the topic is to get you to look at the speeches. These are empty promises, no different from George Bush's promises when he was elected. Each new candidate will say the same things to get your vote, but they never commit to those promises - healthcare is still horrible has been for decades, education in public schools gets worse every year, foreign diplomacy focuses on current allies instead of creating new allies, the energy crisis continues to rises, nothing will ever be done for the environment, etc.

The structure of the topic is to get you to look at the speeches. These are empty promises, no different from George Bush's promises when he was elected. Each new candidate will say the same things to get your vote, but they never commit to those promises - healthcare is still horrible has been for decades, education in public schools gets worse every year, foreign diplomacy focuses on current allies instead of creating new allies, the energy crisis continues to rises, nothing will ever be done for the environment, etc.how would you know John Kerry won't commit to his promises? He's never had an opportunity to do it before. And those problems you listed look like pretty good reasons to vote for Kerry

The structure of the topic is to get you to look at the speeches. These are empty promises, no different from George Bush's promises when he was elected. Each new candidate will say the same things to get your vote, but they never commit to those promises - healthcare is still horrible has been for decades, education in public schools gets worse every year, foreign diplomacy focuses on current allies instead of creating new allies, the energy crisis continues to rises, nothing will ever be done for the environment, etc.
i disagree. politicians often at least TRY To get their promises passed

george bush promised tax cuts and he delivered them, he promised to do something about education and he got the no child left behind act passed

he promised to privatize social security (partially) and he hasnt gotten to that one yet (he did have a few unexpected things pop up) but he says he'll push that big as soon as he gets re-elected and im sure he will.

there are things that just can't get passed. bush made a show of the ban on "partial birth" abortions but it was useless in the movement to ban all abortion, those babies still die. i dont remember now if the ban got rewritten to pass a constitutional test or not.

oh yeah he promised that whole faith based initiative thing and he delivered it

you DO have to pay attention to what politicians promise, they sometimes actually DO those things, if they are possible and the issue is important to you then you should take promises into consideration when you vote for president.

Actually... this trend has been going on for awhile. This is the time to realize that we need to oust the Dempublican monopoly on Congress and get some alternative party members into the fray.

Actually... this trend has been going on for awhile. This is the time to realize that we need to oust the Dempublican monopoly on Congress and get some alternative party members into the fray.

excellent point, in Britain they have like 5 major parties here we have 2 no the Greens arent major

One major difference:

Bush has a proven record.

Of failure.

More net loss of jobs in his term than any president ever before.

A pointless and winless quagmire in Iraq. After he said the "combat is over".

Huge budget deficit in place of a balanced budget.

Dow Jones below 10,000 and sinking.

Huge national debt.

Where is Osama? Weren't we supposed to have captured him by now?

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I've been to his website and it certainly says "what they will do", but it doesn't say "how they will do it". Reading it is like reading a basic political speech; they tell you what you want to hear.

Actually he does go into some detail as how he will do it. You have to open the .pdf files instead of just the blurbs.

He is saying that he voted for the $87 Billion befre he voted against it.

Yes. He voted for one bill for $87b for the troops, before voting against a different bill for $87b for the troops. He stated it bad, but thats the fact. The two bills had minute differences, and he prefered one over the other.

Bush was against the other one, and threatened to veto it if it passed. So you could say Bush wouldn't allow congress to fund the troops. If you were a spinmeister, anyways.

The only thing he is promissing is shit and 40K more troops in IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bush all the way :D

He's saying that the brave men he served with in 'Nam were all war criminals. Including all of them on the Wall.

Other than the remarks against George Bush; what is John Kerry promising?
Nothing but increased spending, increased taxes, and sucking up to the world.

He's saying that the brave men he served with in 'Nam were all war criminals. Including all of them on the Wall.

Wow, that stuff coming out of your mouth sure makes good fertilizer.

Nothing but increased spending, increased taxes, and sucking up to the world.

Mmmhmmm, Bush has been sooooooooooooo fiscally responsible. Are you making over $200,000 a year? No? No new taxes for you then. Sucking up to the world? Ohhhhh, you mean diplomacy. Nobody on the far right seems to understand that concept.

He's saying that the brave men he served with in 'Nam were all war criminals. Including all of them on the Wall.

No, Republicans are saying that he SAID that 30 years ago. He was asked to bring his message to congress on BEHALF of those Vietnam vets. He was complaining about the situation that the brave men he served with were put in not complaining about the men themselves. You might want to remember he was one of those brave men. Bush was just a draft dodger with a daddy who could sign off on it.

Nothing but increased spending, increased taxes, and sucking up to the world.

Right on! War with the world. NUKE THE PLANET!
Keep Bush and he'll finish the job he never started. He'll make us the foremost nukyeler power in the world. He'll cut taxes down to nothing and build the military up to 50 times it's current strength. And it won't cost the American tax payer a dime. Iraq can pay for it all. And if they can't, well we'll just invade syria and use their oil. Then it's on to Africa. They got oil there. And diamonds and uranium. Serve 'em right for havin all that AIDS there. Blow 'em all up and take their stuff. Why even bother to colonize this time, just more mouths to feed. :gundge:

But which is better: A guy who served in the Air Guard and missed a measly physical, or a guy who blamed every soldier in Vietnam of comitting horrendous crimes every day?

And thanks for the compliment, Gymoor. :rolleyes:

The only thing he is promissing is shit and 40K more troops in IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bush all the way :D

Wow, you couldnt go to his site, or listen to him once when he actually said that?

The whole point of those 40k troops are for non-iraqi commitments. Thats why he is touting them.

But im sure you couldn't be touted to go looking, you probably have to spend too much time working to simply provide for your family, being under the bush administration. Unless you are above the 200k mark, and in that case, you probably are just looking out for yourself with bush.

But which is better: A guy who served in the Air Guard and missed a measly physical, or a guy who blamed every soldier in Vietnam of comitting horrendous crimes every day?

And thanks for the compliment, Gymoor. :rolleyes:

Which is better: A guy who exaggerates things to make the answer seem obvious though only for it is slanted, or everyone who doesn't do that?

But which is better: A guy who served in the Air Guard and missed a measly physical, or a guy who blamed every soldier in Vietnam of comitting horrendous crimes every day?

And thanks for the compliment, Gymoor. :rolleyes:

No problem. Just one thing though. Where is the quote that shows Kerry blamed every soldier in Vietnam? No one has ever shown it to me, so I can only assume it doesn't exist. You'd be a great person if you were the first to dig up this evidence. I'm waiting.

But which is better: A guy who served in the Air Guard and missed a measly physical, or a guy who blamed every soldier in Vietnam of comitting horrendous crimes every day?

And thanks for the compliment, Gymoor. :rolleyes:


Vietnam was a mess and both sides kicked civilians around like trash, although you can't accuse every soldier of doing that. Still, Bush has sent over a 1000 Americans off to die in Iraq and then Rumsfeld won't even resign over the prision tourture scandal, so while Kerry may have said stuff 30 years ago, Bush is doing stuff now thats bad/rotten in it's own right.

I dig these threads that start up with the assumption that Kerry hasn't said anything and within two posts there are links and explinations and then two pages of Bushies jamming their fingers in thier ears shouting "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" and singing talking points six months old.

Christ o' mighty, do you guys look anything up? I guess we see how this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=367234) happens.

a guy who blamed every soldier in Vietnam of comitting horrendous crimes every day?got any evidence that John Kerry is that guy?

Mmmhmmm, Bush has been sooooooooooooo fiscally responsible. Are you making over $200,000 a year? No? No new taxes for you then. Sucking up to the world? Ohhhhh, you mean diplomacy. Nobody on the far right seems to understand that concept.
Hence, I wrote INCREASED spending. There is already runaway spending, but do you want an idiot who would raise your taxes and spend more just cuz Moveon.org idiots tell him too? That is what Kerry is about, doing what the fringe wants.

John Kerry blames Bush for high gas prices...

Does that mean they'll sink as soon as he's elected? I think not

John Kerry says the people like Christopher Reeves (while he was still alive) would walk again...

Does that mean that paraplegics will be cured by the end of his four year term? I think not

My problem with the man is that he will say ANYTHING to get people's attention.

Hence, I wrote INCREASED spending. There is already runaway spending, but do you want an idiot who would raise your taxes and spend more just cuz Moveon.org idiots tell him too? That is what Kerry is about, doing what the fringe wants.

And yet Kerry broke from the Democratic party to support the balanced budget. If you use Bush's way of calculating votes, Kerry did indeed for for "increased taxes" 98 times...and voted for "reduced taxes" over 600 times.

The truth is neither number is accurate. Neither is the quaint thought that Kerry is a tax and spend demon. Bush has a proven record of not just spending money, but wasting it. Paying off crooked corporations and sweeping things under rug. At least when you get a Democrat, more of that money will be spent on YOU.

John Kerry blames Bush for high gas prices...

Does that mean they'll sink as soon as he's elected? I think not

John Kerry says the people like Christopher Reeves (while he was still alive) would walk again...

Does that mean that paraplegics will be cured by the end of his four year term? I think not

My problem with the man is that he will say ANYTHING to get people's attention.

And yet you seem to believe that the "terrorists" will get us only if Kerry is President. You seem to believe that the two terror alerts, that coincided with Democratic bumps, that were based on old intel, that even outed an Al Qaeda mole at the expense of our scant human intelligence inside that group that actually attacked us, were nothing except the President looking out for the little guy. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And yet you seem to believe that the "terrorists" will get us only if Kerry is President. You seem to believe that the two terror alerts, that coincided with Democratic bumps, that were based on old intel, that even outed an Al Qaeda mole at the expense of our scant human intelligence inside that group that actually attacked us, were nothing except the President looking out for the little guy. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Hey, but people like Christopher Reeve will walk again, so says the snake oil salesman Edwards.

At least when you get a Democrat, more of that money will be spent on YOU.
As a white male, 30 years old who supports his family, I highly doubt it.

My wife lost her job recently,THANKS George.... :headbang:

Yes yes and Bush said that they misunderestimated him.

Makes me think of a quote:

"Sometimes one of the greatest boons in politics is to be misunderestimated." -Dan Bartlett, White House Communications Director

But anyway, we all know that George Bush's tax cuts have killed the economy! Just look at the latest numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Bureau of Economic Analysis and see for yourself!

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I've been to his website and it certainly says "what they will do", but it doesn't say "how they will do it". Reading it is like reading a basic political speech; they tell you what you want to hear.
i dont recall george bush promising anything, except do what he promised to do in his first four years hwich he hasnt gotten to yet, maybe he shouldve did the shit he promised to 4 years ago before tryig to run again promising he will do the same shit

As a white male, 30 years old who supports his family,lol
and I rarely end up doing that