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Sorry, but this is a rant I must give. As an Ancient History student it annoys my to no end when people say this, so I shall clear it up.

-Around 753 BC Rome was founded on Palatine Hill by local by sheperds.
-Shortly thereafter it is conquored by the Etruscan Empire.
-A series of Monarchs rule Rome, the last of which is Tarquinius Superbus.
-Romans revolt against Etruscan Monarchy in 509 BC.
-An Oligarchy fills political vacuum.
-circa 500 BC Magistrates from noble (Patrician) families are elected Consuls (with the power of former Monarchs for the duration of their term).

After this we have Republic, Dictatorship, Principality, Empire.

The point of this is Rome only became Rome under an Etruscan monarchy, even gaining the Ruma from them.

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I think we all know that.

The Kingdom collapsed in around 509BC as nobles and plebieans rose up against the Monarchy in outrage over the Rape of Lucrecia by the Kings son, Sextus Tarquinius. The 'revolution' was led by Lucius Junius Brutus, a patrician who had only survived King Lucius Tarquinius Superbus' reign by reputedly pretending to be an idiot.
After the revolt he founded the Republic and became one of its first Consul's.
The Brutus who had a hand in the murder of Julius Caesar claimed ancestry from this Roman.

History is funny, so did Rome end in 476 AD (Western Roman Empire) or did it really end in 1453 AD (destruction of Byzantium or Eastern Roman Empire)?

History is funny, so did Rome end in 476 AD (Western Roman Empire) or did it really end in 1453 AD (destruction of Byzantium or Eastern Roman Empire)?

If you asked the folks in Rome, they'd say earlier; the folks in Constantinople would say later.

And I wanted to point out, since this thread was started as a "history correction" that several of the "facts" cited are basically Roman legends, not historical facts.

Sincerely,
TammyJo Eckhart
PhD candidate in Ancient History, comparative women's history, and folklore at Indiana University in Bloomington

If you asked the folks in Rome, they'd say earlier; the folks in Constantinople would say later.

And I wanted to point out, since this thread was started as a "history correction" that several of the "facts" cited are basically Roman legends, not historical facts.

Sincerely,
TammyJo Eckhart
PhD candidate in Ancient History, comparative women's history, and folklore at Indiana University in Bloomington

Not much of Etruscan history or other records have survived compared to Rome. The period between 753 BCE and 509 BCE is the "Etruscan" period which Etruscans become Romans to me after that.

It's like the Canaanites becoming the Israelites (they both have the same genetics), and these lines in history we draw are really blurred.

If you asked the folks in Rome, they'd say earlier; the folks in Constantinople would say later.

And I wanted to point out, since this thread was started as a "history correction" that several of the "facts" cited are basically Roman legends, not historical facts.

Sincerely,
TammyJo Eckhart
PhD candidate in Ancient History, comparative women's history, and folklore at Indiana University in Bloomington
The Roman Empire fell when Rome fell, The Byzantine Empire fell when Constantinople fell. That is the simplest way to remember it.

The dates I used are based on Etruscan records of the invasion of Rome, there are two Roman legends that give alternate dates. However I donot give these much more weight outside of using them to track the development of Roman religion.

-Around 753 BC Rome was founded on Palatine Hill by local by sheperds.

I thought it was founded by Romulus and Remus, who then built it in a day.

"Rome wasn't built in a day....hey hey hey!" :p

I thought it was founded by Romulus and Remus, who then built it in a day.
It took quite a while, and caused quite a stir. I wasn't in the neighborhood at the time, but the story I heard was that they were having a nother of their dustups and built two cities, one on the Palentine Hill and one on the Capitoline Hill. Remus picked on Romulus because his walls weren't big enough, so the got into a tussle and Romulus killed Remus (no big loss to the world, they were both major league a-holes). Darn good thing the Etruscans took over the city too, it was the Mos Eisley of Italy.