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Is God really pro-Bush?

Domici
23-10-2004, 01:39
Ok, so technically if God is all powerful then he wantED Bush to be in office, but he did the same for the Pharoh and look what happened to him.

So far we've had plagues of fire (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/14/california.fires.ap/index.html), plagues of storms (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2327.htm), plagues of land-walking fish (http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16988/story.htm), and now we've got the actual plague (http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/1115316.html).

The fundamentalist Christian's told us that 9/11 happened because after giving control of all three branches of government to the conservatives that we had become to liberal. Four solid years of conservatism later does anyone think that maybe we need some liberal soothsayers?

As an agnostic I'm not overly concerned about interpreting God's messages. As a first born son, I don't want to take any chances.
Gymoor
23-10-2004, 01:42
Don't forget Mt St Helens. It may decide to pop it's cork any time.
Ashmoria
23-10-2004, 01:43
YIKES
we better be careful
thats IT
im not voting for bush
the FIEND
Domici
23-10-2004, 01:45
Don't forget Mt St Helens. It may decide to pop it's cork any time.


Dammit! I knew I forgot something and THAT was what inspired this post!
Chodolo
23-10-2004, 02:14
Jerry Falwell says God wants Bush to be re-elected.

As Jerry Falwell speaks, thus is the truth. ;)
Gymoor
23-10-2004, 02:22
Jerry Falwell says God wants Bush to be re-elected.

As Jerry Falwell speaks, thus is the truth. ;)

Alert the unwed mothers and gays. The doo-doo is gonna hit the fan.
Abandoned Pets
23-10-2004, 02:32
OK, I understand the fire, the storms, the plague...and I feel incredibly dense for asking this, but what plague of landwalking fish are you referring to!?

Oh, but I don't think God cares very much who wins this presidential election.
Thanlania
23-10-2004, 02:34
/rolls eye dramaticly at those who believe that a Omnipotent diety gives a shit about who gets elected in one country.
Ashmoria
23-10-2004, 02:38
/rolls eye dramaticly at those who believe that a Omnipotent diety gives a shit about who gets elected in one country.
LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, MAN, BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!
Moggot
23-10-2004, 02:38
God doesn't choose sides. If he chose sides we wouldn't have democratic presidents. God only wants us on his side. That's it. If God was conservative, he wouldn't have "created", saying if god is real, he wouldn't have made democrats, conervatives, the green party, etc. He made this planet, and this country, a diverse world.
Moggot
23-10-2004, 02:41
One more thing that I just thought of. Who is to say what God wants in this election? Do we know what he wants here? It can be applied to what I just said, I am not the stupid. But really? Is God a conservataive? Is he democratic? Is he part of the Green Party? What? Tell me. Please. Somebody.
Israelities et Buddist
23-10-2004, 02:47
All the old paintings on the tombs
They do the sand dance, dont you know
If they move too quick (oh whey oh)
They're falling down like a domino.

All the bazaar men by the Nile
They got their money on a bet
Gold crocodiles (oh whey oh)
They snap their teeth on your cigarette.

Foreign types with the hookah pipes say:
Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
Walk like an Egyptian.

The blonde waitresses take their trays
They spin around and they cross the floor
They've got the moves (oh whey oh)
You drop your drink, then they bring you more.

All the school kids so sick of books
They like the punk and the metal band
When the buzzer rings (oh whey oh)
They're walking like an Egyptian.

All the kids in the market place say:
Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
Walk like an Egyptian.

Slide your feet up the street, bend your back
Shift your arm, then you pull it back
Life is hard, you know (oh whey oh)
So strike a pose on a Cadillac.

If you want to find all the cops
They're hanging out in the donut shop
They sing and dance (oh whey oh)
Spin the clubs, cruise down the block.

All the Japanese with their yen
The party boys call the Kremlin
And the Chinese know (oh whey oh)
They walk the line like Egyptian.

All the cops in the donut shop say:
Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
Walk like an Egyptian
Walk like an Egyptian
Israelities et Buddist
23-10-2004, 02:49
sorry but with the mention paroahs i couldnt resist.
DSfreedom
23-10-2004, 02:53
I really hope that god is not pro-bush b/c idk what i will do if god is pro-bush!!!
god should not take sides humans should it is called human nature!!! :)
Watertown NNY Jews
23-10-2004, 02:58
no god is not probush, mainly because he buthchered relations with one the holiest nations, israel
Israelities et Buddist
23-10-2004, 03:02
i actually agree.
Watertown NNY Jews
23-10-2004, 03:04
merci beaucoup! Tres bien! como cava?
HammerCrusher
23-10-2004, 03:06
God is voting communist this year. I know this because he told me the other day while we were drinking beers in the park.
Israelities et Buddist
23-10-2004, 03:07
i thought u were jewish not french. Liberal jew right? tres bien. merci. et tou
Israelities et Buddist
23-10-2004, 03:10
god, even when i talk to him while i meditate in hebrew do i get him to drink. he actually said "for god's sake, how am i suppose to know"
Druthulhu
23-10-2004, 03:12
God wants Bush because He is ready for armageddon.
Watertown NNY Jews
23-10-2004, 03:12
lol very funny :D
Druthulhu
23-10-2004, 03:15
lol very funny :D

...not. :(
Righteousnesous
23-10-2004, 03:16
You're all wrong. God told me that he wants Bush to win, because he represents the future he wants for us all. Compliant, simple and folksy. And you must trust me, because if you don't YOU WILL BURN IN HELL!!!

(So either way I win, fuck you very muchly.)
Imperialistic Desires
23-10-2004, 03:18
/rolls eye dramaticly at those who believe that a Omnipotent diety gives a shit about who gets elected in one country.

Hear, hear!
Chodolo
23-10-2004, 03:20
Maybe God wants Peroutka??? :eek:
Cygnusifalco
23-10-2004, 03:20
All of you are wrong.

God is not for or against either candidate. But he will guide those who believe in him to elect the person that will be the best President.

Notice I said 'those who believe in him"...those who don't believe him vote for whomever they want. But God himself is not for or against either Kerry or Bush.

Bottom line: SHADDUP!
Ashmoria
23-10-2004, 03:21
*reads posts above*

who says americans can't recognize a joke when they read one?

oh yeah

nevermind
Cygnusifalco
23-10-2004, 03:23
Actually, I was quite serious. I don't care whether or not it was a joke.
Chodolo
23-10-2004, 03:26
What if God guides different people to vote for different candidates?
Monkeypimp
23-10-2004, 03:32
God doesn't give 2 shits what you think.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 03:34
Don't forget Mt St Helens. It may decide to pop it's cork any time.

Oh wait.
Impunia
23-10-2004, 03:38
God backs Bush because he loves Texans, and because He uses Bostonian Yankees as charcoal briquets in Hell.

That goes double for intellectual agnostic holier-than-thou gigilos. Triple even.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 03:40
i thought u were jewish not french. Liberal jew right? tres bien. merci. et tou


'Jewish' is not an ethnic group. Judaism is a religion and its practicioners and believers are reffered to as being Jewish.
Lehmann
23-10-2004, 03:40
If someone is a true christian, they can hear god speak, they can hear god in their mind, saying whats right and wrong. Also knowing what the bible says about certain issues, bush i think is more of a christian than kerry. I believe Bush has gods approval. But i am one in our entire country, dont take what i say as fact or fiction, but ask around as you are in this thread. base your opinion however you want.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 03:41
God backs Bush because he loves Texans, and because He uses Bostonian Yankees as charcoal briquets in Hell.

That goes double for intellectual agnostic holier-than-thou gigilos. Triple even.

And here I was thinkin' no one kept the fire going.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 03:42
If someone is a true christian, they can hear god speak, they can hear god in their mind, saying whats right and wrong. Also knowing what the bible says about certain issues, bush i think is more of a christian than kerry. I believe Bush has gods approval. But i am one in our entire country, dont take what i say as fact or fiction, but ask around as you are in this thread. base your opinion however you want.

I would suggest that if anything (and I'm no theoligian) god would be quite against Bush for his constant lies, war-mongering and constant sinning.
Domici
23-10-2004, 03:44
OK, I understand the fire, the storms, the plague...and I feel incredibly dense for asking this, but what plague of landwalking fish are you referring to!?

Oh, but I don't think God cares very much who wins this presidential election.

I did post a link.
The japanese snakehead fish cause a mild ecological scare a while back. It was brought here to be an ingredient in soup but someone let some into a lake where they started breeding. People were worried that they'd start eating up all the local fish (they're fairly effective predators) and the fact that they can climb out of one lake and get to work on another after there're no food fish left had people a bit worried that there'd be no stopping them.

I agree that a fish that tastes good in soup isn't really on anyone's top ten list of bio-terror agents but if frogs count as a biblical plague then snakeheads are a valid sign that Bush has lost the Mandate of Heaven.
Jesusdom
23-10-2004, 03:45
God will put either one who he wants to be in power, but im pretty sure hes not pro or anti either of them. He loves us all, so i dont think he likes Bush more than Kerry or vice versa.
Casterfield
23-10-2004, 03:47
i wasnt aware that we had so many prophets here that could talk to god...
Lehmann
23-10-2004, 03:52
I would suggest that if anything (and I'm no theoligian) god would be quite against Bush for his constant lies, war-mongering and constant sinning.

i dont believe bush has lied, i believe hes been given false information, and in his belief in that info he passed it on to us, its not a lie, but a mistake. a lie is the providing of false information with the intent to decieve. his "war-mongering" may be brought upon by god, do you think god would want the iraqis under the brutal dictatorship of saddam. as for constant sinning, we all sin everyday, and id like to know what you mean by his constant sinning.
Goed
23-10-2004, 03:53
Actually, just the other day God mentioned that he was still unsure, and that he's considering voting himself. He's against both candidates, and mentioned something along the lines of "IF I HAVE TO WASTE MY VOTE, I'LL DO IT ON SOMEONE DESERVING, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!"
Ashmoria
23-10-2004, 03:55
Actually, I was quite serious. I don't care whether or not it was a joke.
not that i disagree with you
but the only ones who DO disgree with your point are flamers.
Lehmann
23-10-2004, 03:55
i wasnt aware that we had so many prophets here that could talk to god...

jesus died so we could have a personal relationship again with god, hence why so many here know or think they know what god is saying.

prohpets say what will happen, they make prophecies. what we think god says to us is the here and the now
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 03:58
i dont believe bush has lied, i believe hes been given false information, and in his belief in that info he passed it on to us, its not a lie, but a mistake. a lie is the providing of false information with the intent to decieve. his "war-mongering" may be brought upon by god, do you think god would want the iraqis under the brutal dictatorship of saddam. as for constant sinning, we all sin everyday, and id like to know what you mean by his constant sinning.

You've been decieved if you think God would start a crusade over one country being oppressed by one dictator. Half of the former Soviet Union is like that and you don't see glorious armies charging to free them with heavy explosives. God doesn't bring on 'war mongering'. God doesn't have to. If you read your Good Book you'll find that God created us with free will so that we might make our own choices. God doesn't bring on wars and he or she or it never will. Except maybe the Revelations but that's a different story.

My friend, you'll find that Bush has indeed been lieing to the population of your country. His entire government simply can't mistake one peice of information. Lieing is a keen political tool and tactic and you'll find that not only has Bush and Kerry been doing it, all politicians (and power seekers) of the world have been doing it ever since day 1.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 04:00
jesus died so we could have a personal relationship again with god, hence why so many here know or think they know what god is saying.

prohpets say what will happen, they make prophecies. what we think god says to us is the here and the now

Jesus died so that we where saved from eternal damnation, if you really want to be that Orthodox Christian about the matter.
Newer Oxford
23-10-2004, 04:03
God allows people to do pretty much whatever they like. If anybody wants an example of that, Hitler was elected by the German people. However, God also allowed Hitler to mess Germany up royally and bring it to ruin when the allies conquered.

So, you are stuck with your choice: Bush or Kerry. God is not going to supernaturally intervene to have one or the other elected. But there are consequences of ignoring the guidelines God set out, so check the issues before you vote.

Gay marriage? God opposes it.
Abortion? Opposes.
Defense? The government exists to ``wield a sword´´ so as to protect its populace, whether it be against criminals domestically or against terrorists from abroad.
Prayer in public places? God does not force anyone to pray, but He does say to meditate on His word at all times (to be specific, when you lie down, get up, sit in your house, or go out - not many other places you can be).

It should be pretty obvious who I will vote for.
Lehmann
23-10-2004, 04:04
My friend, you'll find that Bush has indeed been lieing to the population of your country. His entire government simply can't mistake one peice of information. Lieing is a keen political tool and tactic and you'll find that not only has Bush and Kerry been doing it, all politicians (and power seekers) of the world have been doing it ever since day 1

you mention revelations, could it be that we are in the lasts days, cuold it be that god is using bush to free the middle east and allow free passage of his word to that nation, also i do believe these are the last days, theres lots in information to prove it so. i think that this war on terror will turn into a war of christianity against islam, now dont think iwant it to happen, but some things that happen are pointing in that direction.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 04:17
My friend, you'll find that Bush has indeed been lieing to the population of your country. His entire government simply can't mistake one peice of information. Lieing is a keen political tool and tactic and you'll find that not only has Bush and Kerry been doing it, all politicians (and power seekers) of the world have been doing it ever since day 1

you mention revelations, could it be that we are in the lasts days, cuold it be that god is using bush to free the middle east and allow free passage of his word to that nation, also i do believe these are the last days, theres lots in information to prove it so. i think that this war on terror will turn into a war of christianity against islam, now dont think iwant it to happen, but some things that happen are pointing in that direction.

There's hardly any reason to claim that we have reached the end as such. For one thing, I don't see Jesus with a scroll, plagues of many kinds, the Beast or Satan and his army of Fallen Angels doing combat against the Archangel Michael and the Heavenly Host.

Really, you've been taking this a little too seriously if you think we're at or approaching Judgement day.
Druthulhu
23-10-2004, 04:24
I did post a link.
The japanese snakehead fish cause a mild ecological scare a while back. It was brought here to be an ingredient in soup but someone let some into a lake where they started breeding. People were worried that they'd start eating up all the local fish (they're fairly effective predators) and the fact that they can climb out of one lake and get to work on another after there're no food fish left had people a bit worried that there'd be no stopping them.

I agree that a fish that tastes good in soup isn't really on anyone's top ten list of bio-terror agents but if frogs count as a biblical plague then snakeheads are a valid sign that Bush has lost the Mandate of Heaven.

Chinese, not japanese.
Goed
23-10-2004, 04:30
God allows people to do pretty much whatever they like. If anybody wants an example of that, Hitler was elected by the German people. However, God also allowed Hitler to mess Germany up royally and bring it to ruin when the allies conquered.

So, you are stuck with your choice: Bush or Kerry. God is not going to supernaturally intervene to have one or the other elected. But there are consequences of ignoring the guidelines God set out, so check the issues before you vote.

Gay marriage? God opposes it.
Abortion? Opposes.
Defense? The government exists to ``wield a sword´´ so as to protect its populace, whether it be against criminals domestically or against terrorists from abroad.
Prayer in public places? God does not force anyone to pray, but He does say to meditate on His word at all times (to be specific, when you lie down, get up, sit in your house, or go out - not many other places you can be).

It should be pretty obvious who I will vote for.


http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/jesusbush.jpg
Gymoor
23-10-2004, 04:30
My friend, you'll find that Bush has indeed been lieing to the population of your country. His entire government simply can't mistake one peice of information. Lieing is a keen political tool and tactic and you'll find that not only has Bush and Kerry been doing it, all politicians (and power seekers) of the world have been doing it ever since day 1

you mention revelations, could it be that we are in the lasts days, cuold it be that god is using bush to free the middle east and allow free passage of his word to that nation, also i do believe these are the last days, theres lots in information to prove it so. i think that this war on terror will turn into a war of christianity against islam, now dont think iwant it to happen, but some things that happen are pointing in that direction.

Couldn't it be equally likely that Bush is the Anti-Christ? :rolleyes:
The Blacklisted
23-10-2004, 04:33
God is pro bush alright. Just not the bush you all are talking about.

;)

I don't think God could give 2 shit's who wins one of our elections. It' sup to us to make the choices and to live with what we have done to ourselves.
Gymoor
23-10-2004, 04:37
http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/jesusbush.jpg

Boy, Jesus would be good for our healthcare though! Oh, and Jesus stopped a group of people from bringing a prostitute to justice (stoning was the common sentence for prostitutes and female adulterers.) Just another example of Jesus being soft on crime.

Oh, and don't forget that Jesus came from the Middle-East, so he would probably be subject to indefinite detainment without benefit of a lawyer. He was a Jew too, and so would be all but unelectable in the South.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 04:41
God is pro bush alright. Just not the bush you all are talking about.

;)

I don't think God could give 2 shit's who wins one of our elections. It' sup to us to make the choices and to live with what we have done to ourselves.

Curse you and your sexual inuendo. :D
The Blacklisted
23-10-2004, 04:47
Curse you and your sexual inuendo. :D


Thank You :)


And curse this god forsaken system we live in.
Ya!
Leonard Nimoy
23-10-2004, 04:57
God came to my open house last night.

He said vote Libertarian.

He also said 'Shaun of the Dead' was a great movie.

I think he said something about Pearl Jam, but I was pretty gone by then.
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 05:02
God came to my open house last night.

He said vote Libertarian.

He also said 'Shaun of the Dead' was a great movie.

I think he said something about Pearl Jam, but I was pretty gone by then.

Unfortunately, he only got one out of 3 correct. Shaun of the Dead is indeed a fantastic movie.
The Mycon
23-10-2004, 05:03
Ok, so technically if God is all powerful

Your assumption for debate is flawed. While reading Genesis, Exodus, or Leviticus would prove that Yahweh was not meant to be omnipotent, especially at the early parts, that requires time and a high mental RAM.

I also said to you at that time, “I am no longer able to sustain you by myself. 1:10 The Lord your God has increased your population to the point that you are now as numerous as the very stars of the sky. 1:11 Indeed, may the Lord, the God of your ancestors, make you a thousand times more numerous than you are now, blessing you just as he said he would. 1:12 But how can I alone bear up under the burden of your hardship and strife?
It's from Moses not God himself, yes, but he's paraphrasing God while saying it.


This one fact, polished over and often repudiated later in the anthology, explains everything.
Leonard Nimoy
23-10-2004, 05:06
Unfortunately, he only got one out of 3 correct. Shaun of the Dead is indeed a fantastic movie.

True that.

Whether you're Democrat, Republican, Communist, Totalitarian, or God, I'm sure we can all agree that Shaun of the Dead kicked ass.
Domici
23-10-2004, 05:17
God allows people to do pretty much whatever they like. If anybody wants an example of that, Hitler was elected by the German people. However, God also allowed Hitler to mess Germany up royally and bring it to ruin when the allies conquered.

So, you are stuck with your choice: Bush or Kerry. God is not going to supernaturally intervene to have one or the other elected. But there are consequences of ignoring the guidelines God set out, so check the issues before you vote.

That's rather what I was alluding to at the start of this thread. The president and his followers are high-jacking the consequenses of having voted for Bush and pretending that they are evidence that we must vote for him again.

Gay marriage? God opposes it.
Well, you got me there. God clearly believes that Homosexuality is a perverse evil on par with eating shellfish and wearing two colors of clothing at the same time. Of course Kerry is also against gay marriage (well, I can't agree with him on everything).
Abortion? Opposes.
Abortion rates have gone UP since Bush took office. In fact his policies have increased abortion rates all over the world. He stripped the World Fund of billions and their safe sex education in poor countries were reducing abortion rates.

Defense? The government exists to ``wield a sword´´ so as to protect its populace, whether it be against criminals domestically or against terrorists from abroad.

Romans 12:17-21 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


Prayer in public places? God does not force anyone to pray, but He does say to meditate on His word at all times (to be specific, when you lie down, get up, sit in your house, or go out - not many other places you can be).

Matt. 6:5-6 "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

It should be pretty obvious who I will vote for.

Well, it can't be Bush so is it Michael Peroutka, the Christian Conservative Candidate?
Ass Whompers
23-10-2004, 05:18
Your assumption for debate is flawed. While reading Genesis, Exodus, or Leviticus would prove that Yahweh was not meant to be omnipotent, especially at the early parts, that requires time and a high mental RAM.


It's from Moses not God himself, yes, but he's paraphrasing God while saying it.


This one fact, polished over and often repudiated later in the anthology, explains everything.

Intelligence: 1 Everything else: 0
Chess Squares
23-10-2004, 05:19
but you must remember, republicans dont under sex education actually causes people to be EDUCATED about SEX. they think if they go around "inspiring the fear of god" in people by teaching abstinence ed and saynig sex is bad dont do it, ever, no one will have sex ever again
MKULTRA
23-10-2004, 05:23
everything Bush represents and does is an outright assault against God
Tarantas
23-10-2004, 06:06
God backs Bush because he loves Texans, and because He uses Bostonian Yankees as charcoal briquets in Hell.

That goes double for intellectual agnostic holier-than-thou gigilos. Triple even.
Look, God doesn't bother discriminating against people for living in seperate places and rooting for different teams, for crying out loud. God treats everyone as an equal, as long as they respect him and don't commit countless sins against mankind. :\

And I'm neither Democratic nor Republican, even though I live up here in Massachusetts. I honestly find they both have their pros and cons: Bush makes mistakes and rushed us into war, but that doesn't mean Kerry hasn't made any mistakes. He's probably made some mistakes also in his life. :|

Oh, and you mean the BOSTON Red Sox and the NEW YORK Yankees, silly. ^^
New Granada
23-10-2004, 06:30
no god is not probush, mainly because he buthchered relations with one the holiest nations, israel


Israel is so holy that they bring upon themself the plague of unending warfare with the palestinians.

One day their holiness will be rewarded by God Almighty with an atomic bomb in tel aviv or haifa.
New Granada
23-10-2004, 06:36
The bush administration is the most systematically dishonestin our nation's history.

Satan is the father of lies.

The bush administration has lied and killed for the purpose of stealing.

They are biblical satanists.
Goed
23-10-2004, 07:18
Haven't you guys read the Bible? God is the most un-humble person in the known universe. I'm surpised he hasn't made clouds form "I R0XX0RS J0" yet.

He's obviously voting for hisself.
Fat Rich People
23-10-2004, 07:24
Haven't you guys read the Bible? God is the most un-humble person in the known universe. I'm surpised he hasn't made clouds form "I R0XX0RS J0" yet.

He's obviously voting for hisself.

I just about spat water all over my keyboard when I read that! Lmao, awesome!

Oh, and don't forget all the hurricanes! Those count to the disasters/plagues too.
Onion Pirates
23-10-2004, 07:54
I can't be in favor of somebody I hardly know, who almost never comes over to my house, who has not made any real effort to get acquainted with me.

That's what God can't call Bush a friend. He does not belong to a church, go to church, has not studied for confirmation or membership, is ignorant on all major doctrines.

God probably feels sorry for the dumba$$, but that's as far as it goes.
Gauthier
23-10-2004, 08:44
If God was on Bush's side, he wouldn't have sent The 4 Storms to spank Florida for the 2000 Election :D

http://www.bartcop.com/message-from-God.gif
Druthulhu
23-10-2004, 15:08
God is pro bush alright. Just not the bush you all are talking about.

;)

I don't think God could give 2 shit's who wins one of our elections. It' sup to us to make the choices and to live with what we have done to ourselves.

God once spoke through a burning Bush.

Let's hope He does it again. :)
Jeruselem
23-10-2004, 15:31
God once spoke through a burning Bush.

Let's hope He does it again. :)

Exodus

3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, [even] to Horeb.

3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.

3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here [am] I.

3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy ground.

3:6 Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

3:7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which [are] in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;

3:8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.

>> I don't see George Bush running around on fire :p
Druthulhu
23-10-2004, 15:56
I don't see George Bush running around on fire :p

A boy can dream, can't he? :):):)
Jeruselem
23-10-2004, 16:19
A boy can dream, can't he? :):):)

I'm sure some Taliban or Al Quaida fella is planning something similar!
:)
Dettibok
23-10-2004, 16:29
i wasnt aware that we had so many prophets here that could talk to god...Not only that but He's feeding each one a different line. What a joker!
Kamishima
23-10-2004, 16:45
I don't think God takes sides. I don't think he/she/it really cares one way or the other. I also believe that eveything has there own persona little god watching them, (like in Shintoism. Okay, so I'm a nipponophile. Big deal.) Also, people shouldn't be so worried about religion as long as they're a good person.
Druthulhu
23-10-2004, 17:05
I'm sure some Taliban or Al Quaida fella is planning something similar!

:( :( :( I hope not. For humane as well as legal reasons. I only hope that the Big Guy decides to punish him in a truly biblical fashion.
Druthulhu
23-10-2004, 17:07
In fact, I'm rather partial to him being totally devoured by wild canines except for his palms and his feet. :)
Skibereen
23-10-2004, 17:15
Ok, so technically if God is all powerful then he wantED Bush to be in office, but he did the same for the Pharoh and look what happened to him.

So far we've had plagues of fire (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/14/california.fires.ap/index.html), plagues of storms (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2327.htm), plagues of land-walking fish (http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16988/story.htm), and now we've got the actual plague (http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/1115316.html).

The fundamentalist Christian's told us that 9/11 happened because after giving control of all three branches of government to the conservatives that we had become to liberal. Four solid years of conservatism later does anyone think that maybe we need some liberal soothsayers?

As an agnostic I'm not overly concerned about interpreting God's messages. As a first born son, I don't want to take any chances.
Ok, I guess I will be the bullseye that speaks on the actual topic.
No, God does not want Bush to win.
God wants the man that wins to be the best leader for the people.
Any Christian should know that, and any Christian should have enough sense to immediately be suspect of anyone who say "God Wants Me To....fill in self important statement here....".
I resent the implication that Bush is some religious representative of the American Faithful.
Abu Saedi
23-10-2004, 17:15
Under the assumption that God exists, it would seem that He is a very confused omnipresent diety. Both Bush and bin Laden (Remember him? The guy before Sadam.) both say God is on their respective sides. Now, either one (or both) is lying (or Schizophrenic) or God is sort of manipulative. In my personal opinion, I think they are both lying to themselves. In my belief, God created the heaven and the earth then left man to his own devises. But, that's just me.
Siberian Sunshine
23-10-2004, 17:20
The inventor of this topic must be really crazy!

God pro-Bush?

God doesn't take sides in politics.
You are judged by the decisions YOU make, the sins YOU commit, the good deeds YOU do, YOUR belief in god. It has nothing to do with the political system you are in.
That isn't affected by whether Kerry or Bush wins see, because politics is about worldly power, and shouldn't have anthing to do with religion, that's what the church is for - religous guidance. Hello! Anyone heard of the separation of church and state? We have a fundamental problem here if you haven't. If the two mix then both past experience shows that nothing good will come of it (Papal State - the most powerful European country in the 15 century. Popes had children, while preaching celibacy, they made the position heriditary, etc...)
Surely very few people in America see this, that's why it has a president that justifies his actions by God, separates the world into a good and evil part...Seriously, that's about Saddam Hussein's intellectual level: crusade against the evil heretics...
Redundant Empires
23-10-2004, 18:00
I doubt God would be foolish enough to back any candidate, for any leadership position, ever again.

The last time he did that, we crucified the poor guy.

Literally.
Faithfull-freedom
23-10-2004, 18:02
God is Pro-People. He loves all understands all and has faith in all to change to who they really are.
Ushvundia
23-10-2004, 18:17
I agree. The Divine Lord does not favor one canidate over another but trusts that the people of the US will make the right choice.
Friedmanville
23-10-2004, 18:20
I believe this is unknowable. I fall back to solipsism...
Big Jim P
23-10-2004, 18:21
I dialed up my "god-phone" and He told me that he likes monkey and version *he can't remember* is over rated. God is looking into another attempt, using Platipy*

A seven foot tall platypus should scare you all.
Kamishima
23-10-2004, 18:23
Why does everyone make the assumption that God is a he. God could be a she or an it for that matter.
Powdia
23-10-2004, 18:25
Of course god isnt pro-bush, just read the chapter he inserted into "Dude Where's My country?".
Powdia
23-10-2004, 18:26
If there is a God then God is certainly an "it", people think god is a man cus jesus was.
Powdia
23-10-2004, 18:28
And if god trusts the american people to make the right choice then god is an idiot, Most americans are dumbasses who believe evrything they are told at the time, ahem, wmd's in iraq. You bloody fools.
Big Jim P
23-10-2004, 18:29
If there is a God then God is certainly an "it", people think god is a man cus jesus was.


*full evil grin* No one has yet proved that.*

*Smilie*
The Tribes Of Longton
23-10-2004, 18:31
I am a British, secular man and although I do not believe in God, I do believe that if He existed as this benevolent being that he is supposed to be, He would not endorse George War-Mongering right-wing git Bush's recent so-called victories. Also, if Bush wants to scare the crap out of America with his war on terrorism (a blatant attempt to create a 1984-esque ultra massive perpetually warring state) then I can do nothing about it, but I can remove the only international leg on which he is standing by voting aginst Blair, the stupid little lap-dog that he is. No benevolent God could possibly see any of this as righteous. Its like the crusades all over again. Please, all sane Americans, vote Kerry for all our sakes.
Big Jim P
23-10-2004, 18:33
And if god trusts the american people to make the right choice then god is an idiot, Most americans are dumbasses who believe evrything they are told at the time, ahem, wmd's in iraq. You bloody fools.

And most brits are bloody sheep. *dons his flame proof, does not care, attitude suit*

*wispers* We took an Empire away from you. No, From You all. Y'all.*

LMFAO
Kamishima
23-10-2004, 18:34
Most americans are dumbasses who believe evrything they are told at the time, ahem, wmd's in iraq. You bloody fools. Yup, we Americans sure are stupid. Heck, I guess that makes me stupid. After posting what I just said, now I'm gonna get beat up by pro-Americans.
Ushvundia
23-10-2004, 18:36
I am really sorry for using He. Of course, YHVH is the omnipotent, omnipresent being that is neither male or female. God would not be God if he was either one or the other. God is a being entirely whole within itself and needs/has no eqaul.
The non-bushies
23-10-2004, 18:39
Will any1 believe me if i state god's a creation of man, just something created by our minds. What if the world's overwhelming, what if you don't realize man isn't perfect? You just 'create' someone or something to hold onto who/which is perfect, a god.
Though I'm a non-believer I hope the gods people created don't support :headbang: Bush :headbang: since he stands for everything egoistic, selfdestructive and extreme-patriotism. Don't get me wrong, patriotism is a good thing, as long as it exists to create a stronger bond :fluffle: between the people of one country and it's not used as an excuse to destroy :mp5: other countries and their inhabitants like, ah well I think you know what I'm talking about.
Onion Pirates
23-10-2004, 18:40
God hates amerika.
That's why he send this loose cannon ignoramus to lead us.
Kimbardi
23-10-2004, 18:54
as a strong atheist i think anyone who brings religion into politics is very wrong.

george bush uses the christian view on gay marriage and abortion to gain votes in the bible belt of america.

if a ban on stem cell research is allowed then we will never find a cure for brain diseases or cancer

bush did not ruin isreal he supplied them with weapons to destroy the palestinians who have been pushed to the outskirts and live in extreme poverty due to isreals government. this is another example of religion getting into politics

as is "The War on Terror" a complete make believe war so the americans can get oil to fuel to run their inefficient cars.

to be honest bush and kerry will be exactly the same in office on a global level as they are both only mouthpieces for the institutions behind

why any american would vote bush i dont know. he has the same iq as forest gump... have you americans no self respect??

in basically god should never be used to manipulate people in politcs.
Ogiek
23-10-2004, 19:52
And if god trusts the american people to make the right choice then god is an idiot, Most americans are dumbasses who believe evrything they are told at the time, ahem, wmd's in iraq. You bloody fools.

Who is the bigger git? The British PM follows the American president so closely that if Bush stopped short Tony Blair would need an operation to extract his nose from Dubya's sphincter.

What is wrong with you Brits? Nobody in the country supports the war in Iraq, but you still let Blair lead you willy-nilly into that disaster. Even this week Blair is saying, "Yes, gov, we'll put more of our troops in harms way so you can reduce the US body count just before the election."
Siljhouettes
23-10-2004, 20:37
*Jesus*Yup, Jesus was a flaming liberal of the worst sort.
Ogiek
23-10-2004, 20:42
Concerning British move to cover Dubya's butt by moving their troops into harm's way:

One of the most hostile comments came from Sir Gerald Kaufman, the MP for Manchester Gorton, who also voted for the war. He said, "I have not changed my view on the war but I do not want my government to be manipulated by one of the most unscrupulous U.S. administrations that the U.S. has ever seen."

Eric Illsley, the MP for Barnsley Central, who voted for the war said, "I'm concerned about the timing. We've been asked by the Americans two weeks before their election to cover for their troops. Is this a ploy to allow Bush to not send more troops?"
Siljhouettes
23-10-2004, 20:43
Haven't you guys read the Bible? God is the most un-humble person in the known universe. I'm surpised he hasn't made clouds form "I R0XX0RS J0" yet.

He's obviously voting for himself.
LOL, funny stuff.

But who wouldn't vote for themselves?
Zervok
23-10-2004, 20:58
Why would god care about us? Maybe he is trying to fix bird mating stratagies right now.
The non-bushies
24-10-2004, 20:38
John Kerry is the perfect Michael Moore Democrap. He lies nonstop, and he hates America.?

LOLOLOL Really sucks, to make sure the hazard of Bush isn't reelected we have to vote for Kerry, pick between two evils. One trying to destroy the world, the other using not 100% correct statistics ;)
Toffee Donuts
24-10-2004, 20:56
Gay marriage? God opposes it.
Abortion? Opposes.
Defense? The government exists to ``wield a sword´´ so as to protect its populace, whether it be against criminals domestically or against terrorists from abroad.
Prayer in public places? God does not force anyone to pray, but He does say to meditate on His word at all times (to be specific, when you lie down, get up, sit in your house, or go out - not many other places you can be).

It should be pretty obvious who I will vote for.


How can you possibly know what G-d's feelings are on gay marriage and abortion? I'll give you the one about prayer in public places. Through your logic, shouldn't we allow polygamy and outlaw crucifixs (as in 'false idols') ?
Ogiek
24-10-2004, 21:23
This poll asks the wrong question. What we should be looking at is which candidate, according to recent polls, do all gods and goddesses support?

The latest Zogby poll shows that when all gods and goddesses are polled the race is evenly divided with 46% supporting Kerry, 46% in favor of Bush, 1% leaning toward Nader (mostly Wiccan, Voodoo, and Santerian deities), and 7% undecided.

The Heavenly electorate break down further:

Kerry’s lead over Bush among goddesses is 57% to 38% in a two person race, although Bush has made significant inroads into Mayan, Aztec, and Incan goddesses.

Bush continues to lead among gods 53% to 46% in a two person race, although Kerry’s support is strong among African and Hindu gods. Bush has lost significant support among Mesopotamian and Persian male deities, who supported him overwhelmingly in 2000.

The election could hinge on the undecideds in swing regions of heaven with Japanese Shinto deities and the retired Greek and Roman pantheon playing a significant role.