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ONE MORE REASON I THINK KERRY IS A LIAR, A DECIETFUL LIAR

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6562017

READ IT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

AND BY THE WAY CLINTON ALSO GOT HIS RECENTLY

OMG ALL CAPS LOL.

...yeah. :rolleyes:

ONE MORE REASON I THINK KERRY IS A LIAR, A DECIETFUL LIAR

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6562017

READ IT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

AND BY THE WAY CLINTON ALSO GOT HIS RECENTLY

So did Hillary for that matter. They will politicise everything. Christopher Reeves death was blamed on Bush too. Get used to it from that side.

I even saw a scare ad last night saying there were only 503 doses of anthrax vaccine available to civilians!! Oh the shock!! Yet when one realizes that the anthrax vaccine takes a series of 6 shots and 18 months to get you see how ridiculous this is. Since I have received the anthrax vaccine I can assure you that actually getting anthrax might be less painful.

The stupid electorate will panic over this just like every other scare ad they put out. Such is a mob.

SAY IT ISN'T SO!!! :eek:

A politician is twisting the facts?

To think that the shrub has never done that as well! :rolleyes:

So did Hillary for that matter. They will politicise everything. Christopher Reeves death was blamed on Bush too. Get used to it from that side.

I even saw a scare ad last night saying there were only 503 doses of anthrax vaccine available to civilians!! Oh the shock!! Yet when one realizes that the anthrax vaccine takes a series of 6 shots and 18 months to get you see how ridiculous this is. Since I have received the anthrax vaccine I can assure you that actually getting anthrax might be less painful.

The stupid electorate will panic over this just like every other scare ad they put out. Such is a mob.

Helloooo pot meet kettle.

Both sides will use anything for political gain.

Ohh please at least he did not lie to take us in to another Nam type situation …. Further more can you name one instance that he has “twisted facts”...

Lol My Caps Lock Key Is Stuck In The On Position That Means Im Telling The Truth Roflolmaobbq

Quit posting this crap like it matters, or like it doesn't go both ways.

And Bush was never blamed for Reeve's death. Supporters of stem cell research simply pointed out that further research with stem cells may prevent future deaths like Reeve's, Bush disagrees, very simple.

I am impressed with the brazen hypocracy of saying that democrats politicize everything and immediately say something like "Christopher Reeves death was blamed on Bush too."

Way to go Jackass

What do you mean a 'Nam type situation? We were in vietnam for a decade or so and didn't get anything accomplished. With what little time we've spent in Iraq, we've already overthrown one government and nearly gotten a second one set up.

I hope Bush gets reelected just so nobody can say that "Bush got us into Iraq and Kerry got us out". As I understand it, we're leaving soon enough anyway.

Ohh please at least he did not lie to take us in to another Nam type situation …. Further more can you name one instance that he has “twisted facts”...

You can't honestly believe Kerry always tells the truth. Everyone twists facts. If I wanted to be elected, I'd twist a few facts myself. I'm not a saint, and neither are Kerry and Bush.

Lol My Caps Lock Key Is Stuck In The On Position That Means Im Telling The Truth Roflolmaobbq
Whar difference do caps make to this argument none ...contribute something..you aren't even funny..thanx

ONE MORE REASON I THINK KERRY IS A LIAR, A DECIETFUL LIAR

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6562017

READ IT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

AND BY THE WAY CLINTON ALSO GOT HIS RECENTLY
Sweet crap, this is the best you can do?

Dude, try harder (http://factcheck.org/). You might want to check that first article before casting your stone, there. But overall you'll find distortion is the name of the game--but with sites like that one you don't have to let them get away with it. But this one, good christ o' mighty...try harder.

What do you mean a 'Nam type situation? We were in vietnam for a decade or so and didn't get anything accomplished. With what little time we've spent in Iraq, we've already overthrown one government and nearly gotten a second one set up.

I hope Bush gets reelected just so nobody can say that "Bush got us into Iraq and Kerry got us out". As I understand it, we're leaving soon enough anyway.


Actually a nitpick. We were involed in Viet Nam in one way or another since 1945.

ONE MORE REASON I THINK KERRY IS A LIAR, A DECIETFUL LIAR

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6562017

READ IT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

AND BY THE WAY CLINTON ALSO GOT HIS RECENTLY

POLITICIANS LIE! they are all "DECIETFUL LIAR"s it just depends how good they are at covering them up.

What do you mean a 'Nam type situation? We were in vietnam for a decade or so and didn't get anything accomplished. With what little time we've spent in Iraq, we've already overthrown one government and nearly gotten a second one set up.

I hope Bush gets reelected just so nobody can say that "Bush got us into Iraq and Kerry got us out". As I understand it, we're leaving soon enough anyway.

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I mean nam type situation as in The Iraq war . if we leave soon the entire nation will collapse in to civil war ,further more if we stay we’ll lose a lot more of our troops.
So both ways its kind of a loss . Different factions vying for control of Iraq will rise up and start a civil war that’s what I think .

2: sure Kerry makes mistakes and misconceptions but at least he “makes” them unlike bush .. and company

And your glorious Bush doesn't do the same?

kthx

Bitch Bitch Bitchity Bitch Bitch.


Honestly, all politicians use anything they possibly can for gain, does that me we are going to :headbang: and get :mad: and :confused: over it, it just means that you need to stay true to your belief system, while not being bisaed toward others, despite what you may think, your opinion isn't fact. Sure, even as a Kerry supporter, I understand that he does strech the truth or even lie in certain occasions, but on the same token, so does President Bush, if you are going to sit there and criticize one man over it and turn the other cheek to the other, then just shut the hell up hypocrite, your opinion doesn't matter.

Ok lets not degrade our selves to personal insults. There’s better ways of discussing this.

Honestly, all politicians use anything they possibly can for gain, does that me we are going to :headbang: and get :mad: and :confused: over it, it just means that you need to stay true to your belief system, while not being bisaed toward others, despite what you may think, your opinion isn't fact. Sure, even as a Kerry supporter, I understand that he does strech the truth or even lie in certain occasions, but on the same token, so does President Bush, if you are going to sit there and criticize one man over it and turn the other cheek to the other, then just shut the hell up hypocrite, your opinion doesn't matter.
i really think the pretty smily faces make this a really good post...you are a clever one

Reisenstyl, Riefenstahl

Maybe someone's pulling our leg.

i really think the pretty smily faces make this a really good post...you are a clever one

Why thank you, I had to do something to sink down to your level of intelligence without dropping grammar.

*sighs* .. *walks off for 30 mins*

Honestly, all politicians use anything they possibly can for gain, does that me we are going to :headbang: and get :mad: and :confused: over it, it just means that you need to stay true to your belief system, while not being bisaed toward others, despite what you may think, your opinion isn't fact. Sure, even as a Kerry supporter, I understand that he does strech the truth or even lie in certain occasions, but on the same token, so does President Bush, if you are going to sit there and criticize one man over it and turn the other cheek to the other, then just shut the hell up hypocrite, your opinion doesn't matter.
i dont support either..if Bush lied over intelligence..which is one of the biggest complaints i've heard then why didn't kerry catch it at first and vote against the war instead of giving his big pro-invasion speech before the senate...he was after all on the senate intel committe the whole time...i mean he showed up 9 outa 40 some odd meetings...is he so stupid he cant catch this huge intel lie...if hes that stupid maybe he should be called the dumb one and not bush

i dont support either..if Bush lied over intelligence..which is one of the biggest complaints i've heard then why didn't kerry catch it at first and vote against the war instead of giving his big pro-invasion speech before the senate...he was after all on the senate intel committe the whole time...i mean he showed up 9 outa 40 some odd meetings...is he so stupid he cant catch this huge intel lie...if hes that stupid maybe he should be called the dumb one and not bush

Because Kerry....like EVERYONE else believed the WMD's were there. When it turned out to be a hoax by Saddam everyone jumped up and said that Bush should have seen through it. Even though they themselves did not. Politics is funny like that. Kerry himself said that Saddam's WMD's were a immediate threat to the US. Now he is parades around touting Bush's actions as a grand mistake and a lie. That does not make that kettle get any blacker now does it Mr. Kerry?

i dont support either..if Bush lied over intelligence..which is one of the biggest complaints i've heard then why didn't kerry catch it at first and vote against the war instead of giving his big pro-invasion speech before the senate...he was after all on the senate intel committe the whole time...i mean he showed up 9 outa 40 some odd meetings...is he so stupid he cant catch this huge intel lie...if hes that stupid maybe he should be called the dumb one and not bush

Kerry did what ? I don’t remember hearing on the news or radio about Kerry giving a big pro invasion speech but I know Kerry dose not lie as much as bush dose. But I respect your views. No man ,woman is perfect.

If some one with enough facts could post here ..

ONE MORE REASON I THINK KERRY IS A LIAR, A DECIETFUL LIAR

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6562017

READ IT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

AND BY THE WAY CLINTON ALSO GOT HIS RECENTLY

uh was there something in that article that wasnt TRUE? that dick cheney got a flu shot is apparently TRUE, that john kerry thinks its hypocritical is his OPINION, not a lie.

according to the national news last night, most of congress AND their aides have gotten flu shots. it seems that only bush and kerry are abstaining from them right now.

*shrug* if this is all you have against kerry, you might want to look around some more, im SURE you can find better ammo than THIS.

i dont support either..if Bush lied over intelligence..which is one of the biggest complaints i've heard then why didn't kerry catch it at first and vote against the war instead of giving his big pro-invasion speech before the senate...he was after all on the senate intel committe the whole time...i mean he showed up 9 outa 40 some odd meetings...is he so stupid he cant catch this huge intel lie...if hes that stupid maybe he should be called the dumb one and not bush

You have to understand that as a US Senator, they rely on what Aides and personal assistants tell them, unless it regards their personal field, which they should be on top of. That, and you are not required to show up at every Senate Metting, but only a percentage of them, not including the major mettings held every so often. If you were to check every other senators attendance record, I bet alot of them would look very close to his, also, by not showing up, that could of meant he just didn't want to be affiliated with said proposal. Not showing up at a Senate meeting would be like the President not signing a bill, after I think its 10 days of sitting on the Presidents Desk, its basically Veto'd and sent back to Congress, or just completely forgotten.

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I mean nam type situation as in The Iraq war . if we leave soon the entire nation will collapse in to civil war ,further more if we stay we’ll lose a lot more of our troops.
So both ways its kind of a loss . Different factions vying for control of Iraq will rise up and start a civil war that’s what I think .

2: sure Kerry makes mistakes and misconceptions but at least he “makes” them unlike bush .. and company

You bring up a good point with the warring factions, but there is another perspective we need to realize. It's not just the government we're converting, it's a culture, which is a lot harder to change.

Islamic nations have never really embraced democracy. It kind of conflicts with their culture. I think a very important thing to realize is that many Muslims in the Middle-East hate Americans. They've been taught to since birth. They have no understanding what our country is about, or at least not a very good one. All they know is what their government tells them: mainly that Americans are immoral.

You have to realize how gullible people are as a whole. A people who have always thought whatever their government tells them has a very hard time accepting something else. And with all of the porn and drugs circulating in America, why should they think any different?

They are not going to be willing to accept our way of life all too soon. I'd imagine that some of them (not neccessarily all) feel their culture is being threated. America comes in, bombs them, and then gives them copies of Democracy for Dummies. If you were an Iraqi, wouldn't you feel offended? "Who do these Americans think they are, impressing their culture on us?"

I'm not suggesting a course of action, because I really don't know what would be best. But I think that we need to take into account the fact that some of them probably think that democracy would not help them. We need to find a solution that will change their opinion towards our culture, and have them hold democracy in the same esteem we do.

Ohh please at least he did not lie to take us in to another Nam type situation …. Further more can you name one instance that he has “twisted facts”...

And we all know that Kerry fled Vietnam!

This is NOT a Vietnam type battle. The casualties are not there for it.

And we all know that Kerry fled Vietnam!

This is NOT a Vietnam type battle. The casualties are not there for it.

Bush did on the same token...

You bring up a good point with the warring factions, but there is another perspective we need to realize. It's not just the government we're converting, it's a culture, which is a lot harder to change.

Islamic nations have never really embraced democracy. It kind of conflicts with their culture. I think a very important thing to realize is that many Muslims in the Middle-East hate Americans. They've been taught to since birth. They have no understanding what our country is about, or at least not a very good one. All they know is what their government tells them: mainly that Americans are immoral.

You have to realize how gullible people are as a whole. A people who have always thought whatever their government tells them has a very hard time accepting something else. And with all of the #### and drugs circulating in America, why should they think any different?

They are not going to be willing to accept our way of life all too soon. I'd imagine that some of them (not neccessarily all) feel their culture is being threated. America comes in, bombs them, and then gives them copies of Democracy for Dummies. If you were an Iraqi, wouldn't you feel offended? "Who do these Americans think they are, impressing their culture on us?"

I'm not suggesting a course of action, because I really don't know what would be best. But I think that we need to take into account the fact that some of them probably think that democracy would not help them. We need to find a solution that will change their opinion towards our culture, and have them hold democracy in the same esteem we do.

Exactly! But we also have to note, we have standing armys in the middle of there “holy land” per say.
Witch leads in to a whole other bunch of problems.

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I mean nam type situation as in The Iraq war . if we leave soon the entire nation will collapse in to civil war ,further more if we stay we’ll lose a lot more of our troops.
So both ways its kind of a loss . Different factions vying for control of Iraq will rise up and start a civil war that’s what I think .

I don't think there will be a civil war. The insurrection is falling apart. There is a spat between the foreign fighters and the local fighters. Fallujah is about to be attacked by BOTH US and Iraqi troops. Elections are in January and they will take place.

Now that I got that out of the way, how is this a vietnam type war?

2: sure Kerry makes mistakes and misconceptions but at least he “makes” them unlike bush .. and company

If your talking about the debate, that was a very very stupid question to ask and I noticed it was NOT directed at John Kerry! Why is that? Why wasn't Senator Kerry asked that same question?

i dont support either..if Bush lied over intelligence..which is one of the biggest complaints i've heard then why didn't kerry catch it at first and vote against the war instead of giving his big pro-invasion speech before the senate...he was after all on the senate intel committe the whole time...i mean he showed up 9 outa 40 some odd meetings...is he so stupid he cant catch this huge intel lie...if hes that stupid maybe he should be called the dumb one and not bush
Find the pro-invasion part (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363622)
Gymoor's been at it for days....

Ok lets not degrade our selves to personal insults. There’s better ways of discussing this.

Very good! Insults don't do anything but inflame people to insult back.

Bush did on the same token...

How did Buh flee? He served in the National Guard, in a unit that was NOT called up.

Exactly! But we also have to note, we have standing armys in the middle of there “holy land” per say.
Witch leads in to a whole other bunch of problems.

Last time I checked, we pulled troops out of their holy land

Kerry did what ? I don’t remember hearing on the news or radio about Kerry giving a big pro invasion speech but I know Kerry dose not lie as much as bush dose. But I respect your views. No man ,woman is perfect.

If some one with enough facts could post here ..
I will look for it ...i did watch it on c-span..kerry yamering on about "we know he has wmd..we know he has used them..we know if we don't stop him he will do so again"....

Because Kerry....like EVERYONE else believed the WMD's were there. When it turned out to be a hoax by Saddam everyone jumped up and said that Bush should have seen through it. Even though they themselves did not.

I never believed the WMD were there the minute Bush turned his eyes on Iraq...but maybe by everyone you are referring to politicians in general. In which case you do make a good point.

I don't think there will be a civil war. The insurrection is falling apart. There is a spat between the foreign fighters and the local fighters. Fallujah is about to be attacked by BOTH US and Iraqi troops. Elections are in January and they will take place.

Now that I got that out of the way, how is this a vietnam type war?



If your talking about the debate, that was a very very stupid question to ask and I noticed it was NOT directed at John Kerry! Why is that? Why wasn't Senator Kerry asked that same question?



Uhem , first off what these insurgents are doing is guerrilla war fare that’s one point . the other is we don’t have enough troops to do the job generals told bush over and over again we needed more troops but he did not listen , most Iraqis want us the hell out of there .. Iraq is a time bomb. I fear this is only part of a much bigger problem were going to face there if we stay its almost a catch 22 you cant leave your cant stay if you leave the place will turn in to a smoking crater. If we don’t we’ll just get picked off .
Also if I learned correctly Iraq was a Muslim center aka Baghdad way before the brits got there and carved it up I doubt many Islamic’s appreciate a western nation like us going in there with standing armies and leveling there cities. Not to mention Baghdad was the capital of the Islamic empire thousands of years ago , so I hope you under stand there beef with us.

I will look for it ...i did watch it on c-span..kerry yamering on about "we know he has wmd..we know he has used them..we know if we don't stop him he will do so again"....
There's a whole thread about it (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363622)
But he didn't call for invasion.

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They are not going to be willing to accept our way of life all too soon. I'd imagine that some of them (not neccessarily all) feel their culture is being threated. America comes in, bombs them, and then gives them copies of Democracy for Dummies. If you were an Iraqi, wouldn't you feel offended? "Who do these Americans think they are, impressing their culture on us?"

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if i were an Iraqi i would be happy that i no longer lived in a culture where all my phones were bugged..i could be tortured at random for thinking differently from the controlling party..that my 14 yo daughter could be single out..raped and killed because saddams son wanted to....yes i would want my country back..but not just from the u.s. but from all the fringe lunatics blowing up my people to make a point against the u.s.

I dunno... when the only alternative to the guy who's butt's currently warming the throne is your average run-of-the-mill scuzzy politico, things are pretty grim.

There's a whole thread about it (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363622)
But he didn't call for invasion.
i went and read that ...it seems like that was him saying what he said...what i watched was the actual video of him in front of the senate...that post looks like a bunch of spin he put on it afterwards

ONE MORE REASON I THINK KERRY IS A LIAR, A DECIETFUL LIAR

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6562017

READ IT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.

AND BY THE WAY CLINTON ALSO GOT HIS RECENTLY

I bet you knew where your vote was going before Kerry even popped up, huh?

[QUOTE=New Jyria]

They are not going to be willing to accept our way of life all too soon. I'd imagine that some of them (not neccessarily all) feel their culture is being threated. America comes in, bombs them, and then gives them copies of Democracy for Dummies. If you were an Iraqi, wouldn't you feel offended? "Who do these Americans think they are, impressing their culture on us?"

QUOTE]
if i were an Iraqi i would be happy that i no longer lived in a culture where all my phones were bugged..i could be tortured at random for thinking differently from the controlling party..that my 14 yo daughter could be single out..raped and killed because saddams son wanted to....yes i would want my country back..but not just from the u.s. but from all the fringe lunatics blowing up my people to make a point against the u.s.

No offense, but how the hell could you screw up a quote and not use any capital letters? I'm just wondering.

Uhem , first off what these insurgents are doing is guerrilla war fare that’s one point .

And it is starting to unravel. There is a split, a division among the ranks, between the foreign insurgent fighters and the local insurgent fighters. I wouldn't be surprised if they start shooting eachother.

the other is we don’t have enough troops to do the job generals told bush over and over again we needed more troops but he did not listen , most Iraqis want us the hell out of there .. Iraq is a time bomb.

And yet CentCom, that would be Central Command (the one that covers that region of the planet), has not ASKED for more troops. When the Central Commander asks for more troops, he'll get more troop but so far, to my knowledge at anyrate, he has not requested additional troops. The President can only go by what his military Commanders are saying and requesting. It is NOT upto the Army Joint Chief of Staff or anyone else. It is up to CentCom to tell the President how many troops are needed. If you ever serve time in them military, that'll be the first thing you'll learn. How the Chain of Command works.



We won't leave till the job is done. That is our exit strategy. Democracy in some form will succeed in Iraq. Allawi wants it to succeed, Bush wants it to succeed, Blair wants it to succeed, Howard wants it to succeed, the Polish President who I can't spell wants it to succeed otherwise, they would not have sent troops.

[quote]If we don’t we’ll just get picked off .

Picked off how?

Also if I learned correctly Iraq was a Muslim center aka Baghdad way before the brits got there and carved it up I doubt many Islamic’s appreciate a western nation like us going in there with standing armies and leveling there cities. Not to mention Baghdad was the capital of the Islamic empire thousands of years ago , so I hope you under stand there beef with us.

WRONG!! Babylon was the Capitol of an empire, not Baghdad though it is south of it. Your right, Iraq was the center of the planet at one point. The Garden of Eden is supposed to be around there somewhere. As for Britain, yea they carved it up. I will give you that one. However, they granted them their independence following WWII!

Uhem , first off what these insurgents are doing is guerrilla war fare that’s one point.

Just had to disagree with this one part you mentioned. The whole kidnapping and beheading thing going on in Iraq is not a part of any insurgency, I believe. I think the difference between Iraqi insurgents waging guerilla war against US and allied forces has blurred with the operations of terrorists.

i went and read that ...it seems like that was him saying what he said...what i watched was the actual video of him in front of the senate...that post looks like a bunch of spin he put on it afterwards
It's what he said on the senate floor at the time. Who's spinning who?

I bet you knew where your vote was going before Kerry even popped up, huh?
assumption on your part..and youre wrong ..try again

And it is starting to unravel. There is a split, a division among the ranks, between the foreign insurgent fighters and the local insurgent fighters. I wouldn't be surprised if they start shooting eachother.



And yet CentCom, that would be Central Command (the one that covers that region of the planet), has not ASKED for more troops. When the Central Commander asks for more troops, he'll get more troop but so far, to my knowledge at anyrate, he has not requested additional troops. The President can only go by what his military Commanders are saying and requesting. It is NOT upto the Army Joint Chief of Staff or anyone else. It is up to CentCom to tell the President how many troops are needed. If you ever serve time in them military, that'll be the first thing you'll learn. How the Chain of Command works.

[quoteI fear this is only part of a much bigger problem were going to face there if we stay its almost a catch 22 you cant leave your cant stay if you leave the place will turn in to a smoking crater.

We won't leave till the job is done. That is our exit strategy. Democracy in some form will succeed in Iraq. Allawi wants it to succeed, Bush wants it to succeed, Blair wants it to succeed, Howard wants it to succeed, the Polish President who I can't spell wants it to succeed otherwise, they would not have sent troops.



Picked off how?



WRONG!! Babylon was the Capitol of an empire, not Baghdad though it is south of it. Your right, Iraq was the center of the planet at one point. The Garden of Eden is supposed to be around there somewhere. As for Britain, yea they carved it up. I will give you that one. However, they granted them their independence following WWII![/QUOTE]


Actually I think your thinking of the Babylonian empire that existed way before Islam. Also we have no exist strategy …or not one that was unveiled. I believe I heard that they told Mr. bush that they needed more troops than he sent. Though I could be mistaken

And it is starting to unravel. There is a split, a division among the ranks, between the foreign insurgent fighters and the local insurgent fighters. I wouldn't be surprised if they start shooting eachother.



And yet CentCom, that would be Central Command (the one that covers that region of the planet), has not ASKED for more troops. When the Central Commander asks for more troops, he'll get more troop but so far, to my knowledge at anyrate, he has not requested additional troops. The President can only go by what his military Commanders are saying and requesting. It is NOT upto the Army Joint Chief of Staff or anyone else. It is up to CentCom to tell the President how many troops are needed. If you ever serve time in them military, that'll be the first thing you'll learn. How the Chain of Command works.

[quoteI fear this is only part of a much bigger problem were going to face there if we stay its almost a catch 22 you cant leave your cant stay if you leave the place will turn in to a smoking crater.

We won't leave till the job is done. That is our exit strategy. Democracy in some form will succeed in Iraq. Allawi wants it to succeed, Bush wants it to succeed, Blair wants it to succeed, Howard wants it to succeed, the Polish President who I can't spell wants it to succeed otherwise, they would not have sent troops.



Picked off how?



WRONG!! Babylon was the Capitol of an empire, not Baghdad though it is south of it. Your right, Iraq was the center of the planet at one point. The Garden of Eden is supposed to be around there somewhere. As for Britain, yea they carved it up. I will give you that one. However, they granted them their independence following WWII![/QUOTE]
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Actually I think your thinking of the Babylonian empire that existed way before Islam. Also we have no exist strategy …or not one that was unveiled. I believe I heard that they told Mr. bush that they needed more troops than he sent. Though I could be mistaken

It's what he said on the senate floor at the time. Who's spinning who?

that is definitely not what i watched him say...this could be something he said later but the first post on that thread is not what i watched him say

that is definitely not what i watched him say...this could be something he said later but the first post on that thread is not what i watched him say
We have your memory and we have a source....let me weigh the two for a second.....................


Yep, I'll take source.

Riefenstahl Also we have no exist strategy …or not one that was unveiled. I believe I heard that they told Mr. bush that they needed more troops than he sent. Though I could be mistaken
Kerry has not yet revealed his "plan" he keeps talking about one but maybe he really doesn't since he has not explained it to anyone yet

We have your memory and we have a source....let me weigh the two for a second.....................


Yep, I'll take source.
yes i have what i saw with my own eyes and a post on an interenet website..let me way the two..hmmm..what i saw has more impact for me...but the second i can find it i will post it..thanx

if i were an Iraqi i would be happy that i no longer lived in a culture where all my phones were bugged..i could be tortured at random for thinking differently from the controlling party..that my 14 yo daughter could be single out..raped and killed because saddams son wanted to....yes i would want my country back..but not just from the u.s. but from all the fringe lunatics blowing up my people to make a point against the u.s.

I'm pretty sure the Iraqi people are glad to be rid of all that, but in exchange they now have to worry about US troops storming into their homes and carting off suspected terrorists, getting blown up by carbombs, roadside bombs, or getting shot by insurgents/terrorists or US troops, and their 14 year old daughters getting raped and killed by whoever because of all the security problems. Basically, they've exchanged one set of hardships for another.

Kerry has not yet revealed his "plan" he keeps talking about one but maybe he really doesn't since he has not explained it to anyone yet

Ignorance is bliss. Kerry has explained his plan, you either just weren't listening or intentionally chose to ignore it.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/iraq.html

I'm sure Bush has something very similar on his own website for his plan in Iraq too.

Ill reply later im off see ya

assumption on your part..and youre wrong ..try again

Try what again? Biased articles from the right and mostly the left has been tiring!

Ignorance is bliss. Kerry has explained his plan, you either just weren't listening or intentionally chose to ignore it.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/iraq.html

I'm sure Bush has something very similar on his own website for his plan in Iraq too.

sounds exactly like waht is happenning now..maybe he thinks he can internationalize more but i doubt he can accomplish that and still keep the u.s. in the lead..he would have to basically give our troops over to the u.n. control before they would go at it like he would want..and in my opinion the u.n. is to blame for the majority of this whole situation..

I'm pretty sure the Iraqi people are glad to be rid of all that, but in exchange they now have to worry about US troops storming into their homes and carting off suspected terrorists, getting blown up by carbombs, roadside bombs, or getting shot by insurgents/terrorists or US troops, and their 14 year old daughters getting raped and killed by whoever because of all the security problems. Basically, they've exchanged one set of hardships for another.

check the long term track record for many nations at one time under u.s. occupation and see how many hardships they are facing