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I know, I know, coming from a liberal . . . shocking.

Its my theory (and my econ teacher's) that in the first two years of Kerry's term (should he get elected) he will get absolutly nothing done.

For the rest of this, lets assume Kerry wins.

When Kerry takes office in December, he will be facing a hostile congress whenever he tries to propose a bill. Not only will congress be hostile because of party lines, but they will also be bitter from a hard fought election. These two attitudes combined will make them almost automatically vote against anything Kerry tries to pass in his first two years. The only hope he would have is if Demcrats take a majority in the mid-term elections.

sigh. . . stupid party lines.

well, better nothing than Bush pushing his bills through. :)

well, better nothing than Bush pushing his bills through. :)

I agree 100%. Better nothing gets done than the widespread incompetence of the current administration. George "I haven't seen a spending package I didn't like" Bush complaining about Kerry's fiscal responsibilityis a joke.

I think the third debate illustrated that very well.

Too bad most people don't remember anything other than Kerry's rather innocent use of the "L" word.

Yes by all means, check out how busy George has been with his friendly Republicans:

http://jec.senate.gov/democrats/BER-Heading.gif

http://jec.senate.gov/democrats/ber.htm

Never mind his failed foreign policy to boot!! :eek:

all the more reason to vote for Democratic candidates for US House and US Senate.

As for not getting things done, remember that there's no way Bush can get his faith-based initiatives to pass. Oh wait...

Kerry will get nothing done?

Then what will change? :p

At least we'll have a balanced budget. :)

I wish George Bush had accomplished nothing.

All political threads should cease and we should talk about fun thing and have happy thoughts. It doesn't matter who is elected, because on Nov. 3, the world will be the same place with the same shit and I don't care what any of these politicians say, they're all the same. Bush, Kerry, Nader, fucking Donald Duck. The only thing in this life one can count on is you and yours. That's it.

All political threads should cease and we should talk about fun thing and have happy thoughts. It doesn't matter who is elected, because on Nov. 3, the world will be the same place with the same shit and I don't care what any of these politicians say, they're all the same. Bush, Kerry, Nader, fucking Donald Duck. The only thing in this life one can count on is you and yours. That's it.

And death. And taxes...you, err, forgot those. Although, I suppose you wouldn't necessarily need to pay taxes, if you learned to be self-sufficient, and moved somewhere that had little importance to the government.

So, yeah, the only universal certainty, would be death....

So...how's the weather? :(

And death. And taxes...you, err, forgot those. Although, I suppose you wouldn't necessarily need to pay taxes, if you learned to be self-sufficient, and moved somewhere that had little importance to the government.

So, yeah, the only universal certainty, would be death....

So...how's the weather? :(

Sunny but a little chilly. You're right, I'd buy an island ... but I can't afford it. Damned taxes!

All political threads should cease and we should talk about fun thing and have happy thoughts. It doesn't matter who is elected, because on Nov. 3, the world will be the same place with the same shit and I don't care what any of these politicians say, they're all the same. Bush, Kerry, Nader, fucking Donald Duck. The only thing in this life one can count on is you and yours. That's it.
Hey there no need for that Donald duck is the best politician out there dont insult him ;)

so in essence

bush will be screwing us whether he is reelected or not, hurray!

If nothing else Kerry will appoint 2-4 Supreme Court Justices and name judges to the federal courts. That will be a big something.

Also, I think Democrats are going to win back the Senate, which should make it easier for President Kerry to get things done.

So, is your premise people shouldn't vote for Kerry cuz he won't do anything?

In addition the Bush's spending (which is so un-Republican, isn't it?) he's a freaking psychopath. Bush is Big Brother wrapped in disguise as an idiot. There's only so much propoganda of fear (ie: Cheney and his speeches) and color coded security a person can take before they're fed up with it, or completely brainwashed by it.

If Bush does win, btw, I would bet money that we will attack Iran next.

What the hell are you people saying?
Elections?
Don´t you remember the last one?
You live on a dictatorship.
Stop talking nonsense and hail the king, salves.

What, so Republicans in Congress would oppose everything from the President (even if they agreed with it?) just because he's a Democrat?

I know, I know, coming from a liberal . . . shocking.

Its my theory (and my econ teacher's) that in the first two years of Kerry's term (should he get elected) he will get absolutly nothing done.

For the rest of this, lets assume Kerry wins.

When Kerry takes office in December, he will be facing a hostile congress whenever he tries to propose a bill. Not only will congress be hostile because of party lines, but they will also be bitter from a hard fought election. These two attitudes combined will make them almost automatically vote against anything Kerry tries to pass in his first two years. The only hope he would have is if Demcrats take a majority in the mid-term elections.

sigh. . . stupid party lines.

Actually not getting anything done because of opposing partty makes the countries economy's pleasant.

Look at Reagon: He had democrats in the majority and most Republicans hail him as a great man.
Look at Clinton: He had republicans in the majority and he is hailed as a great man in politics (though not in morals I guess) by many people even independants.

Having the opposing party is the best thing you can do for a blanced budget and a great economy.

Cheers for Kerry's opposing party. Just keep opposing him maybe you'll eat your hat just yet when he is known as a man who again balanced the budget and payed all his dues.

The less the government does, the better.

I know, I know, coming from a liberal . . . shocking.

Its my theory (and my econ teacher's) that in the first two years of Kerry's term (should he get elected) he will get absolutly nothing done.

For the rest of this, lets assume Kerry wins.

When Kerry takes office in December, he will be facing a hostile congress whenever he tries to propose a bill. Not only will congress be hostile because of party lines, but they will also be bitter from a hard fought election. These two attitudes combined will make them almost automatically vote against anything Kerry tries to pass in his first two years. The only hope he would have is if Demcrats take a majority in the mid-term elections.

sigh. . . stupid party lines.

you say that like its a BAD thing.

having a republican controlled congress and a democratic president is the BEST way to go.

congress will not consider any STUPID democratic proposal and kerry will not sign any STUPID republican bills. (so the republicans can start passing bills that appease their religious constituency without worrying about them actually becoming LAW)

so the only stuff that can get passed is the reasonable proposals from whatever source. (and i suppose damned few of those)

consider clinton's presidency.... when he got into office in '92 he tried to get universal health care passed. that was too liberal for america and it tanked. after '94 when congress went republican, he had to change his focus, we got welfare reform, balanced budget, and im sure other things that arent popping into my head

the things that got passed were the best of the republican platform. and we didnt have to worry about the stupid things like banning abortion and putting prayer back into schools

if i thought that congress was going to go democrat i would have to reconsider voting for a democrat for president. (ya right, like i would EVER vote for george bush!)

I know, I know, coming from a liberal . . . shocking.

Its my theory (and my econ teacher's) that in the first two years of Kerry's term (should he get elected) he will get absolutly nothing done.

For the rest of this, lets assume Kerry wins.

When Kerry takes office in December, he will be facing a hostile congress whenever he tries to propose a bill. Not only will congress be hostile because of party lines, but they will also be bitter from a hard fought election. These two attitudes combined will make them almost automatically vote against anything Kerry tries to pass in his first two years. The only hope he would have is if Demcrats take a majority in the mid-term elections.

sigh. . . stupid party lines.
You forgot to mention that Kerry is lazy, and has gotten nothing done in twenty years in congress, so really, he would be just continuing a pattern.

You forgot to mention that Kerry is lazy, and has gotten nothing done in twenty years in congress, so really, he would be just continuing a pattern.

Now we wait for Gymoor to rip out Kerry's records and rip you a new one :p

You forgot to mention that Kerry is lazy, and has gotten nothing done in twenty years in congress, so really, he would be just continuing a pattern.
Actually he has got stuff done. You are just probably speaking partisan.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

Do I have to post this in ever topic i go to?

Actually he has got stuff done. You are just probably speaking partisan.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

Do I have to post this in ever topic i go to?
Wow! One Thing in twent years, and this was 12 years ago. Good Source! :rolleyes:

The less the government does, the better.

I agree. If Kerry comes to power than the economy will be shot because he's gonna tax the small buiness owners who have very little income and most of the buinesses will disapper like after WWII! And anyways Bush is Prolife and Kerry is not (poor babies)! Kerry lies and changes his stories all the time! Kerry will carry(haha) us to the bottom of the abyss!

Die Kerry! :sniper:

Wow! One Thing in twent years, and this was 12 years ago. Good Source! :rolleyes:
Wait you asked for one thing and I gave it...so you admit you are wrong, correct?
You never asked to give everything he did just one thing overrides your charge of nothing.
Nothing is the opposite of something so if I give one thing I automatically makes your claim false.

Wait you asked for one thing and I gave it...so you admit you are wrong, correct?
You never asked to give everything he did just one thing overrides your charge of nothing.
Nothing is the opposite of something so if I give one thing I automatically makes your claim false.
So John Kerry completed a book reports saying that a bad organiztion was bad! Good Work, you are now eligible to run on your senate record, John Kerry! :rolleyes:

If nothing else Kerry will appoint 2-4 Supreme Court Justices and name judges to the federal courts. That will be a big something.

Also, I think Democrats are going to win back the Senate, which should make it easier for President Kerry to get things done.
extremely liberal judges who will write extremely liberal laws from the bench....screw that why do you want more gov't control over healthcare, retirement anything ..name a gov't that doesn't screw its people...we need real conservatives who want less laws... nto saying Bush is conservative cause he isn't... we do stand a better chance of getting real conservative under him than Kerry...we need true conservative leadership..people that wont take away more rights than we have already lost..

extremely liberal judges who will write extremely liberal laws from the bench....screw that why do you want more gov't control over healthcare, retirement anything ..name a gov't that doesn't screw its people...we need real conservatives who want less laws... nto saying Bush is conservative cause he isn't... we do stand a better chance of getting real conservative under him than Kerry...we need true conservative leadership..people that wont take away more rights than we have already lost..

Yes, nothing's more conservative then having the government tell you what you can and can't do inside your house with consensual adults :rolleyes:

So John Kerry completed a book reports saying that a bad organiztion was bad! Good Work, you are now eligible to run on your senate record, John Kerry! :rolleyes:
So you do admit he did something and take back your lie that he didn't?

Please don't be hypocritical. Use your brain.

the only way for him to be an effective president would be if he did nothing. if he acts on his beliefs he'll be a disaster.

kinda like Clinton, the reason he was so effective was the gridlock he cause by single handed handing over the fifty year majority in Congress to the Republicans thus assuring gridlock.

the only way for him to be an effective president would be if he did nothing. if he acts on his beliefs he'll be a disaster.

kinda like Clinton, the reason he was so effective was the gridlock he cause by single handed handing over the fifty year majority in Congress to the Republicans thus assuring gridlock.
Is that why Bush was a diaster because he could act on his beliefs? I can't stop mysekf from laughing lol.

Yes, nothing's more conservative then having the government tell you what you can and can't do inside your house with consensual adults :rolleyes:
except maybe the gov't tearing down anything the majority wants to keep the minority happy...or maybe a gov't that forces you to pay taxes into social security that reap a whopping 3% annual growth when i could be invessting at 12% for my future

The only thing John Kerry will "get done":

http://www.drudgereport.com/hkb.jpghttp://www.drudgereport.com/hkbb.jpg
A Drunk 66 Year old woman.

Yes, nothing's more conservative then having the government tell you what you can and can't do inside your house with consensual adults :rolleyes:
and give me details on the last time the gov't busted in your door to stop you from getting it the way you like it...
a trully conservative gov't wants less laws..that means less laws on your personal beliefs...
right....small gov't ..less centralized control
left..large gov't...more control over everything

and give me details on the last time the gov't busted in your door to stop you from getting it the way you like it...
a trully conservative gov't wants less laws..that means less laws on your personal beliefs...
right....small gov't ..less centralized control
left..large gov't...more control over everything

You obviously missed my point.

Bush has NOT been a conservative. He's made the government even BIGGER. He's tried to force his morality on the people. He's used a bankrupt and spend policy.

That's not conservative.

You obviously missed my point.

Bush has NOT been a conservative. He's made the government even BIGGER. He's tried to force his morality on the people. He's used a bankrupt and spend policy.

That's not conservative.
you obviously didnt read my first post where i said bush was not conservative...i just said under him we have a greater chance of getting conservative justices..whereas Kerry who is ultra-liberal will try and place the most liberal justices around on the bench...

Well, not doors, exactly. But do you recall the situation with Rosie O.? YOu know, the lesbian celebrity with a talk show who had government agencies attempting to take her adopted children from her based on the fact that she was a lesbian? Hmmm. Seems like what she did behind closed doors with consensual adults led to her being told she wasn't allowed to raise children. If that isn't the government attempting to exert social control then I don't know what is.
children are not consenting adults

-snip-
Well do you think Badnarik of the Libertarians would get something done?

thats not true hes their to serve Kerry
will make it law to only by Heinz products

I come to you to ask for help. I got this former great region from some one who trashed it. I would like to ask for members.

good points real life:

we are pro bush pro guns pro war in iraq! we are strongly anti kerry anti french anti gays anti abortion.

in the not-so-real-world.

we are anti UN we think that new nations coming here join the UN and think they can run all over us. I and my fellow regional members are on a driving campain to decrease the UN size on NS to half.

WE NEED YOU HELP!

Region: The United nations of the Axis

you obviously didnt read my first post where i said bush was not conservative...i just said under him we have a greater chance of getting conservative justices..whereas Kerry who is ultra-liberal will try and place the most liberal justices around on the bench...

You could always vote libertarian?

You could always vote libertarian?
wouldn't that be nice...if i thought there was a snowballs chance in hell I would...and i personally don't care much fro badnarik

You could always vote libertarian?
Go Badnarik!

children are not consenting adultsthey weren't trying to take her children based on what she did with the children

The only thing John Kerry will "get done":

http://www.drudgereport.com/hkb.jpghttp://www.drudgereport.com/hkbb.jpg
A Drunk 66 Year old woman.

I WANT THIS WOMAN AS MY FIRST LADY!!! :D

I am expecting Kerry to get little done. Even if he were not facing a hostile congress if elected to the presidency he over analysis things and seems to think himself into a state of decissive paralysis. The most I am expecting Kerry to do if elected is try to undo some of the arguably bad decissions that Bush has made. Try to clean up the mess in Iraq. Elect some Supreme Court Justices that will help balance out Bush's appointees and raise taxes to help correct the deficit created durring Bush's administration.

You could always vote libertarian?

Yeah, 'cause who needs public schools, minimum wage laws, corporate oversight or an environment? :rolleyes:

Yeah, 'cause who needs public schools, minimum wage laws, corporate oversight or an environment? :rolleyes:

If I had to choose between someone else voting for Bush or Badernik, I'd go with Badernik :p

No more about that though, we are here to do something fun. Not complain about politics.



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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion we gain strength.
Strength gives us power.
Through power we achieve victory.
Through victory our chains are broken.
Our Force shall set us free.
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No more about that though, we are here to do something fun. Not complain about politics.



_________________________________________________________________

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion we gain strength.
Strength gives us power.
Through power we achieve victory.
Through victory our chains are broken.
Our Force shall set us free.
_________________________________________________________________

If Peace is a lie, then Jesus was a liar

The republicans will do the same thing the democrats did.

Block all judge appointments in commitee. And pass only bills they want.

The republicans will do the same thing the democrats did.

Block all judge appointments in commitee. And pass only bills they want.the Democrats did not block all judicial appointments. Not even close. It only seems that way because the Republicans kept whining and bitching about it

No more about that though, we are here to do something fun. Not complain about politics.

Speak for yourself. :)

I know Republicans are grasping at anything and everything to criticize Kerry because they hear the footsteps and know that Bush is on his way out. Things they criticize Kerry for they either overlook or extol in George W. Bush.

"Kerry doesn't have enough experience so he can't be president" they argue. Yet, four years ago when Dubya was first running for president he had only been governor for one-and-a-half terms of a state with a constitutionally weak governorship and a state government that only meets every two years. George has never held a job that he got on his own talent, but rather has always been socially promoted by friends of the family. Even then he failed at almost every business he has been connect to. Yet, apparently he was qualified enough for the GOP faithful.

Hell, when Clinton was president his avoidance of Vietnam was horrible. But when Dubya was up to bat, his scheming to get out of Vietnam (and outright AWOL during the last year) was something that we didn't need to dwell on. In fact the GOPers managed to go on the attack against two Democratic candidates who served in Vietnam, smearing them with charges that their service wasn't good enough.

Clinton's possible use of drugs? A focus of internet rumour mongering. Dubya's refusual to say whether or not he used cocaine (perhaps the real reason he didn't take his last mandated Air Force Reserve medical exam)? Outrageous that Democrats would bring it up!

Most people, Democrats and Republicans, look at the candidate's party label before they decide whether they will argue for or against. If it is my guy it is okay. If it is your guy it is reprehensible.

The republicans will do the same thing the democrats did.

Block all judge appointments in commitee. And pass only bills they want.
i assume you have some sort of record of how many were appointed and how many were luckily denied

but that doesnt much matter does it? bush REPEATEDLY waited until congress took a break and appointed dozens of ACTIVIST judges so they wouldnt be blocked. a conservative activist is still a god damn activist

According to a recent poll 3 out of 4 self-described Bush supporters STILL believe that pre-war Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam Hussein provided “substantial support” to al Qaeda. In fact the number of Bushies who believe this actually WENT UP (!) after publication of a series of well-publicized official government reports debunking both notions.

These people are as willfully ignorant as the man they support.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=655&e=3&u=/oneworld/20041022/wl_oneworld/4536965431098444910

if kerry were to actualy get "nothing" done in his first two years in office, that would STILL be a MAJOR improvement on the harm that has been being done for every year of the past four!

simple ceasing the attacks on environmental protections that have been ongoing or even just not administratively encouraging them will be a major improvement.

the abscence of donald rumsfield setting nation against nation will be a major improvement in and of itself, though i suppose maybe not an obvious one to the average joe sixpack who refuses to look.

the treason and infamy of bush was built upon the treason of raygun was built upon the treason of nixxon was built upon the treason of mccarthyism was built upon who knows what before that.

kerry cannot be expected to be a saint, granted, but a u.s. without rumsfield, ashcroft, karl rove, ken ley, and of course dick cheney and mr shrubery himself, will at least be a u.s. capable of at least attempting to regain and re-earn a little of some kind of the self esteam the so called neocons have thrown out with the bath watter as a matter of policy.

after four years of collectively embarrasing infamy, i look forward to these couple of years of "doing nothing" with unmitigated enthusiasm.

=^^=
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According to a recent poll 3 out of 4 self-described Bush supporters STILL believe that pre-war Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam Hussein provided “substantial support” to al Qaeda. In fact the number of Bushies who believe this actually WENT UP (!) after publication of a series of well-publicized official government reports debunking both notions.

These people are as willfully ignorant as the man they support.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=655&e=3&u=/oneworld/20041022/wl_oneworld/4536965431098444910
That is totally mind boggling to say the least. :eek: