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has overwhelmingly supported the views of his constituents, defined as "A resident of a district or member of a group represented by an elected official", as is his job as a senator, to be the voice of the state of Mass.

Let me make it simple for those that may not understand: when Kerry says he supports "X", but voted down a bill that had "X" involved in it, it has nothing to do with his feeling, but the feelings of the people of his state. That's the way politics works, don't fall for the BS being fed to you from the other side. (I won't even get into not voting for a bill because of the amendments attached....)

I am so tired of miseducated or uniformed people bringing up his voting record like it means anything regarding the way he feels. If he has done his job, his votes should fall in line with what the people of Mass. want, and they have.


End of story.

has overwhelmingly supported the views of his constituents, defined as "A resident of a district or member of a group represented by an elected official", as is his job as a senator, to be the voice of the state of Mass.

Let me make it simple for those that may bot understand: when Kerry says he supports "X", but voted down a bill that had "X" involved in it, it has nothing to do with his feeling, but the feelings of the people of his state. That's the way politics works, don't fall for the BS being fed to you from the other side. (I won't even get into not voting for a bill because of the amendments attached....)

I am so tired of miseducated or uniformed people bringing up his voting record like it means anything regarding the way he feels. If he has done his job, his votes should fall in line with what the people of Mass. want, and they have.

End of story.
Ah I see... then why didn't he show up to to some meetings... to represent th people of Mass. as was his job?

sorry, have to cause controversy, don't ya know

Ah I see... then why didn't he show up to to some meetings... to represent th people of Mass. as was his job?


Well, a Senator doesn't have to be at the office to be working.

It is a curiosity, though, and I wonder why nobody has ever directly asked Kerry, "You missed this (specific) meeting on this date and did not vote ... where were you and what were you doing at the time?"

The answers may surprise some folks.

Why does anyone not show up? Are you saying he's the only one that has missed a meeting? Do you know what he was doing instead? Ah, but you're willing to assign blame though... And what does that have to do with the point, or are you just trying to argue because you know it's true and you have no defense?

also some controversy, don't ya know :D

The answers may surprise some folks.

Do you have some insight you could share?

Why does anyone not show up? Are you saying he's the only one that has missed a meeting? Do you know what he was doing instead? Ah, but you're willing to assign blame though... And what does that have to do with the point, or are you just trying to argue because you know it's true and you have no defense?

also some controversy, don't ya know :D
To be perfectly honest, I think the whole lot of them are bums and should be thrown out of office, sans pension.

Career politicians ruin the process and it should go back to a government "by the people", not by a special class of people. I think prior government experience, rather than being an asset, or pre-requiset, should be a disqualifying characteristic.

Why does anyone not show up? Are you saying he's the only one that has missed a meeting? Do you know what he was doing instead? Ah, but you're willing to assign blame though... And what does that have to do with the point, or are you just trying to argue because you know it's true and you have no defense?

also some controversy, don't ya know :D


Yeah but he missed more then a few :)

Besides that you seemed mis informed … the way the system REALLY works is they elect the person because of their VIEWS and expect them to represent them in that

Meaning you vote for the person that has the views you like

That is the way he represents the states constituents

OTHERWISE he would have just been voting his OPINION on what the peoples opinion is

I don’t think I am making this as clear as I should

If he like you said votes what his state wants and not what he wants does he keep doing polls or does he just assume what people want? If so how is that better then voting what he wants?
I mean do you know what every person in the state wants? Or do you biased by the people you hang out with and grow up with? (which may be a very small minority opinion of some things)

A person is elected because people think his views are the same as theirs that is how it works, if their views are the same, they will support your cause.

I think you are confused

To be perfectly honest, I think the whole lot of them are bums and should be thrown out of office, sans pension.

Career politicians ruin the process and it should go back to a government "by the people", not by a special class of people. I think prior government experience, rather than being an asset, or pre-requiset, should be a disqualifying characteristic.

Yeah, I think for the most part, it is far too corrupt, and realistically it's always been bad, but it seems that since the Civil War it has been more or less downhill as far as the true vision of America.

I think all presidents should have studied history and philosophy extensively, as well as government. Sometimes I think we should choose the prez from college history and government professors, but I don't want to corrupt those fields too...

Do you have some insight you could share?

Not as such, but I have looked at it on a case by case basis.

If you go here - http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm - you can look through the senate voting record back to 1989.

I've looked at some of the things in which Kerry didn't vote ... a lot of paltry crap. If you look to the bills that Bush specifically pointed out, you find very conservative bills which push a Neocon Christian moralist agenda, and you also find that Kerry did, in fact, vote against such nonsense.

However, in cases where Kerry did not vote at all, it could be because he was not properly informed on the matter and did not want to just willy-nilly cast votes. Abstention *is* a vote, but Republicons don't see it as such.

What that says to me is that Kerry takes his job very seriously and wants to cast an informed vote rather than jump on any old bandwagon that comes his way. It is what makes him more qualified to be President.

Yeah but he missed more then a few :)

Besides that you seemed mis informed … the way the system REALLY works is they elect the person because of their VIEWS and expect them to represent them in that

Meaning you vote for the person that has the views you like

That is the way he represents the states constituents

I am going to have to disagree very strongly with you here. The view of what you are talking about is a very narrowminded view of senators or elected officials and was true in the early days of the nation. A true representative listens to his people, and votes the way the majority want most of the time.

You can't do it like you have said and make it effecient. No one person is going to have the veiws that the majority of the state has in every area. Instead you find someone who is willing to vote the peoples voice everytime.

OTHERWISE he would have just been voting his OPINION on what the peoples opinion is

I don’t think I am making this as clear as I should

If he like you said votes what his state wants and not what he wants does he keep doing polls or does he just assume what people want?

No, the people contact him and tell him, or his office runs polls, or surveys, there are endless ways to find out what the people want.

If so how is that better then voting what he wants?

I mean do you know what every person in the state wants? Or do you biased by the people you hang out with and grow up with? (which may be a very small minority opinion of some things)

How does this arguement make sense? How does anyone in the idea that you believe in know what every person in the state wants? Instead of assuming like the person you elected would do, a true representative listens to the people, it's easy to email most elected officials.
A person is elected because people think his views are the same as theirs that is how it works, if their views are the same, they will support your cause.

I think you are confused
I'm sorry, but that is not the way America is suppose to work. That may be the reality, but it's not the correct way.