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If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

Not a bad idea.

I think Bush will win, so I doubt that I will do anything, as I have already come to terms with it.

Not a bad idea.

I think Bush will win, so I doubt that I will do anything, as I have already come to terms with it.

By hook or crook he'll win, I think, but doesn't mean our nation should support a dictatorship, does it?

By hook or crook he'll win, I think, but doesn't mean our nation should support a dictatorship, does it?
Wouldn't be the first time.

What do you mean "if" Bush wins.


Didn't you mean when Bush wins? ;)


After all the recounts and lawsuits, I will celebrate and dance around... :p

Wouldn't be the first time.

Hence the popular bumpersticker: Re-Defeat Bush 2004.

I'm optimistic...
According to this site http://www.electoral-vote.com/ (which, while run by a democrat, is not actually biased) it ain't looking too great for bush lately. And it looks like it's not gonna get much better for him. I hope.

If Bush wins...the first thing I might do is cry and then go streaking with rage. O_o

Naw, if he wins I am going to be seriously pissed off. REALLY pissed off. Might want to do something productive though.

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

I would probably yell out "GODDAMNIT" over and over again for a day or so. Then I would just bitch for the next for years. And if I ever saw Kerry then i would slap him in the face for losing and call him a whore. :headbang:

I'm optimistic...
According to this site http://www.electoral-vote.com/ (which, while run by a democrat, is not actually biased) it ain't looking too great for bush lately. And it looks like it's not gonna get much better for him. I hope.

So you'll put your hopes into a Kerry biased website?

It is looking rather close.. Depending upon what polls you use Bush is ahead or Kerry is ahead..

It's going to be a interesting few days..

At this point, I really don't give a hoot who wins. Either way, people will bitch. I just can't wait for the political commercials to stop.

Well, I'm counting on something big happening on the 30th

At this point, I really don't give a hoot who wins. Either way, people will bitch. I just can't wait for the political commercials to stop.

You live in a battleground state?

Luckily, I live in MD, which is solidly democrat. No political ads here. :cool:

So you'll put your hopes into a Kerry biased website?

It is looking rather close.. Depending upon what polls you use Bush is ahead or Kerry is ahead..

It's going to be a interesting few days..
As I said, the site is not biased. As far as I saw the guy tries to be as serious and scientific as possible. Reading the newsposts will tell you that.
Anyway, what does it matter what makes me hope? All that matters is that I do hope and that there is a chance that I won't be disappointed.

I'll be hungover--but I'll be hungover regardless because I don't think I can take election night this time without getting loaded--and then maybe I'll go buy a gun, because the country's really going to get ugly then.

Crazy Japaicans]I would probably yell out "GODDAMNIT" over and over again for a day or so. Then I would just bitch for the next for years. And if I ever saw Kerry then i would slap him in the face for losing and call him a whore. :headbang:

I AGREE MY REACTION WOULD BE "THE STUPID MONKEY HE WILL BURN I HELL FOR SURE AND IF HE DOESN'T ITS IS BECAUSE HE HAS SO MUCH HAIR AL OVER HE SCARES LITTLE CHILDREN I MEAN THAt is sick and wrong ALSO I SECOND THE ABOVE AND AS A CLOSING STATEMENT 'NO MONKEYS IN THE WHITEHOUSE


P.S. ALSO WHO THOUGHT UPROOT A BUSH IN 04 WAS BRILLENT
P.S.S. THIS IS WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN TO BUSH
:sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

So you'll put your hopes into a Kerry biased website?

It is looking rather close.. Depending upon what polls you use Bush is ahead or Kerry is ahead..

It's going to be a interesting few days..
electoral vote uses an average of all the polls

You live in a battleground state?

Luckily, I live in MD, which is solidly democrat. No political ads here. :cool:

Yup, New Mexico.

No ads? Oh, I'd be in heaven...

What's worse than the presidential ads, though, are the ones for Congress - the Democratic candidate is accusing the Republican candidate of supporting terrorism, of being friends with bin Laden and Hussein. When asked about his conduct, he replied, "I was only joking." The next thing he does is put out another ad saying that she supports terrorism.

I hate this state so much.

I am noticing a very dominant trend in the opinions laid out in this discussion. Bush is not the devil as some would have you believe. The decisions he has made have been hard ones and I don't know if any man or woman put in his position 3.5 year ago could have done any better. I believe that the war on terror has left a sour taste in many americans mouths and I admit that I'm not all for the current administration and their handeling of the situation in the beginning, but now that we are there, we must finish what we started. Bush has done some very good things for our country: health care, education funding, tax cuts where they were needed, defence spending, ... etc. Kerry on the other hand has a very backward voting record compared to what he has expressed lately. I cannot trust a man who changes his mind on issue that could affect the country in a very big way. Did you know that Kerry voted a strong yes to start in Iraq? He also voted to abolish Gay Marriage rights. The man is confussed about what he believes and that is why his compaign is centered around what Bush has done wrong in the past 4 year, not what he will do with the next. There have been good and bad aspects to every presidential canidate in history and there always will be. Be cautious with what you say and examine every part of the issue before you start throwing things around the internet.

I'm optimistic...
According to this site http://www.electoral-vote.com/ (which, while run by a democrat, is not actually biased) it ain't looking too great for bush lately. And it looks like it's not gonna get much better for him. I hope.

Try this site:

www.realclearpolitics.com

227-210 Bush and it labels the toss up states.

There will likely be much yelling obscenities in the area I live in.

College town, go figure.

People will speak of the end times for a while, they won't cooperate with the doomsayers and the world won't suddenly be plunged into a fiery abyss...quite yet. Maybe in 2008?

The European's will continue living as they do, it's not like the opponent really looked all that good to them anyway. Besides, it wasn't their election.

Hopefully at some point the mindless hate mongers on all sides will shut up about it long enough to actually watch events as they take place without commentary and allow us decent folk a little rest before taking up their childish insults and intellectually dishonest banter once again. ...we want 8 full hours, got me?

And while all will not be right with the world, I'll try to get some freakin' sleep.

Win or lose, I will have voted my concience and shown my convictions. That's all that should matter in the first place...

What will I do?

Sit back, relax, and await the 2008 presidency of Hillary Clinton

You know it's true...:D

What will I do?

Sit back, relax, and await the 2008 presidency of Hillary Clinton

You know it's true...:D

I'm willing to bet it is if John Kerry does not win this election.

I'm willing to bet it is if John Kerry does not win this election.
It's not that I really like Hillary, it would just be funny to see the looks on the conservatives faces when they have to face her as pres. Cause they hate her so much (I really don't know why :confused:). But I would take a certain satisfaction in that if I must endure 4 more Bush years.

McCain vs. Hillary? Most likely. It would be a close one.

McCain vs. Hillary? Most likely. It would be a close one.

I'd take McCain to win THAT matchup. :D

If Bush wins (which I am certain he will not, Kerry is a finisher) I am going to flee to Australia and hide with my friends. :)

I am noticing a very dominant trend in the opinions laid out in this discussion. Bush is not the devil as some would have you believe. The decisions he has made have been hard ones and I don't know if any man or woman put in his position 3.5 year ago could have done any better. I believe that the war on terror has left a sour taste in many americans mouths and I admit that I'm not all for the current administration and their handeling of the situation in the beginning, but now that we are there, we must finish what we started. Bush has done some very good things for our country: health care, education funding, tax cuts where they were needed, defence spending, ... etc. Kerry on the other hand has a very backward voting record compared to what he has expressed lately. I cannot trust a man who changes his mind on issue that could affect the country in a very big way. Did you know that Kerry voted a strong yes to start in Iraq? He also voted to abolish Gay Marriage rights. The man is confussed about what he believes and that is why his compaign is centered around what Bush has done wrong in the past 4 year, not what he will do with the next. There have been good and bad aspects to every presidential canidate in history and there always will be. Be cautious with what you say and examine every part of the issue before you start throwing things around the internet.

Did you know almost every senator voted for the war in Iraq? If Kerry voted no you would bash on him for being a peace loving hippy. Do you know your stupid ass is a product of Bush's campaign to smear Kerry as a "flip-flopper." Bush didn't do any good for the country unless you're part of the top 2% that got the "tax cuts." You should be more cautious of what YOU say, your data is flawed. Everytime Bush is asked anything important he can't answer the question and bumbles around until he gets to a pre-prepared point that has nothing to do with anything. All this attacks on Kerry are bullshit. George W. Bush skipped out on the war and joined the national guard where he didn't even pass the pilot training course. That's why he made up all that shit about Kerry and Vietnam. Bush is always on the offensive making up shit to so people won't see how much of an imbecile he is when HIS record is examined. You're a product of the smear campaign that the oh-so-rich super-elite can fund Bush with. Bush's good buddy the Enron CEO was exempt from being investigated from Presidential action. WOW THAT HELPS OUR ECONOMY when big corps take away all the stockholders money and makes the stocks nothing because of embezzlement. Bush is good at stealing money from the middle class. Bush just resorts to name calling and finger pointing.

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

DONT TALK LIKE THAT

but anyway

ill be in aruba, so ill try hanging out at a bar peopled by locals, look real sad, and hope some handsome man with a dutch accent will buy me a drink to ease my pain.

1) stupid ass
2) Did you know almost every senator voted for the war in Iraq? If Kerry voted no you would bash on him for being a peace loving hippy.
3) Bush didn't do any good for the country unless you're part of the top 2% that got the "tax cuts." You should be more cautious of what YOU say, your data is flawed.
4) All this attacks on Kerry are bullshit.
5) Bush just resorts to name calling and finger pointing.

1) Necessary?
2) Good point, but both of you should post a resource site.
3) While fun to believe, highly improbable. He did do some good things for the country.
4) Also highly improbable.
5) Um, what was number 1?

McCain vs. Hillary? Most likely. It would be a close one.

I'd say that if George W. Bush wins Hilary Clinton would run against Dick Cheney not John McCain...the last two full-term Presidents (Ronal Reagen and Bill Clinton) each saw their Vice-Presidents (George H.W. Bush and Al Gore respectively) run in the subsequent election. So it's not a stretch to say that Cheney will run in 2008 should Bush win.

...and, to comment on the person who said that Bush isn't the Devil I'd have to agree. I'm not a Bush supporter but I don't really see this mass loss of freedom- to my knowledge (I am Canadian) American homes are not being wiretapped, newspapers (and anyone for that matter) can still slam Bush all they want, and there has been no secret police being formed. Plus, it's not like conservatism hasn't reared its ugly head before- Clinton did bomb Kosovo, and there was the inane debate over video game violence and Columbine. Oh, and don't forget, John Kerry isn't a gay marriage supporter either.

Having said all that, I would not like a Bush win, but I don't see a Bush win as the end of the world. The U.S. will still be the same place it once was, and, besides, if Bush really messes up his term, Cheney can't run, and he can't let that happen.

If Bush wins I am moving to Canada. I am behind Kerry 100% If Bush wins i will be the bigs bitch in the world!! No one will be able to be around me i will be such a bitch!! I really hope Bush does not win!!! :mad: :headbang:

if bush gets re-elected i think i will literally just break down and cry. cry a whole damned lot. and than maybe smoke a bit. but mostly cry

bush should be just physically thrown out of the white house.

i am going to a kerry rally on friday in NV where he will be speaking. GO KERRY.

and i would LOVE for McCain to go for presidency, despite him being for the war :P
-alpha

[QUOTE=RomeW]Oh, and don't forget, John Kerry isn't a gay marriage supporter either.
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No, he isn't, but he'd allow it to be decided in state courts instead of changing the constitution.

I'd say that if George W. Bush wins Hilary Clinton would run against Dick Cheney not John McCain...the last two full-term Presidents (Ronal Reagen and Bill Clinton) each saw their Vice-Presidents (George H.W. Bush and Al Gore respectively) run in the subsequent election. So it's not a stretch to say that Cheney will run in 2008 should Bush win.

dick cheney is unelectable
his health isnt good enough and hes too harsh anyway
but
didnt you watch the debate? he SAID he wasnt interested in running for president.

I wonder what happens if Kerry wins...

Or before what if AlGore won..

If Bush wins I'll spend a few days telling everyone how glad I am that we'll be alive for another more four years,even if it means putting up with liberal bullshit whinning,and a couple more Michael Moore Propoganda pieces.

I'd laugh.

If Bush wins...i would lose all faith in the intellectual abilities of the american people. (Not that i haven't somewhat already). Aside from people who will actually learn about the world and what's going on in their nation, a large amount merely think that truth comes from the tainted views of FOX news.

If Bush wins...i'd feel lost in a land of idiots :confused: :(

Regardless of who wins, I'll watch the decline of our nation as it continues to slide into a statist slimehole that will make Europe jealous.....however, considering that my bid in Michael Peroutka holds little ground, I'm pulling for the President to be re-elected....namely because if elected, John Kerry will decimate my Second Amendment rights.....

Me!

If Bush wins, then I am going to be heading to the Phillipines. I already got the money require to buy a last minute ticket on Singapore Airline.

Regardless of who wins, I'll watch the decline of our nation as it continues to slide into a statist slimehole that will make Europe jealous.....however, considering that my bid in Michael Peroutka holds little ground, I'm pulling for the President to be re-elected....namely because if elected, John Kerry will decimate my Second Amendment rights.....

Me!No Kerry won't. Quit getting your panties in a twist over something that's never going to happen.

I wonder what happens if Kerry wins...

Or before what if AlGore won..

Al gore did win. Bush is president anyways though.

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Anyways, I thought about suicide. But nah. I figure, I would have to endure 1.5 years of bush, I don't think he could ruin my life so badly that quickly. Once those 1.5 years are up, i'd be going to france and joining the foreign legion.

If kerry wins, I will continue my plans of going through Annapolis.

Regardless of who wins, I'll watch the decline of our nation as it continues to slide into a statist slimehole that will make Europe jealous.....however, considering that my bid in Michael Peroutka holds little ground, I'm pulling for the President to be re-elected....namely because if elected, John Kerry will decimate my Second Amendment rights.....

Me!

Yeah you're right, if Kerry gets elected, we won't be able to stop an intruder with an AK 47 anymore... shit. We'd have to settle for dinky handguns..

Al gore did win. Bush is president anyways though.

Bush Won and Al Gore did not. Last time I checked the US Constitution, we do things via the Electoral College and not the Popular Vote.

[QUOTE=Chellis]Al gore did win. Bush is president anyways though.
QUOTE]

Lol, I knew someone was gonna say that.

If Bush wins I'd...

A. Prove to my friend that a lone tank can break down the White House gates.
B. Go into the Appalacians and live as a hermit.
C. Live life the same way I've lived the past 4 years, just slightly more pissed off at Bush supporters.

If Bush wins I am moving to Canada. I am behind Kerry 100% If Bush wins i will be the bigs bitch in the world!! No one will be able to be around me i will be such a bitch!! I really hope Bush does not win!!! :mad: :headbang:


i like how people threaten to move to other countries like this. i remember john travolta threatened to move to france in 2000. saw how that worked out. besides it'd be a good thing, you and the canadians can do some bitch-bonding and keep them out of our hair!

If Bush wins I'd...

A. Prove to my friend that a lone tank can break down the White House gates.
B. Go into the Appalacians and live as a hermit.
C. Live life the same way I've lived the past 4 years, just slightly more pissed off at Bush supporters.
A? Did I get it right? :D

I'd celebrate and mock all those who said Bush wouldn't win.

I'd celebrate and mock all those who said Bush wouldn't win.

tomzilla, we be on the same vibes

No Kerry won't. Quit getting your panties in a twist over something that's never going to happen.

Yes Kerry will. He's attempted to ban everything from shotguns to ammunition, opposed the firearms industry, and attempted to make LAC liable for the actions of criminals who steal their property.

W/O even expressing my opinion on Kerry's other issues, he's anti-gun to the core. Both the Brady campaign and the NRA agree on it.

Yes Kerry will. He's attempted to ban everything from shotguns to ammunition, opposed the firearms industry, and attempted to make LAC liable for the actions of criminals who steal their property.

W/O even expressing my opinion on Kerry's other issues, he's anti-gun to the core. Both the Brady campaign and the NRA agree on it.That's crap, plain and simple. Crap.

May I offer you an easier solution if Bush wins.. *LOL*

http://www.stephaniesworld.com/polisci2.jpg

If Bush wins I'd...

A. Prove to my friend that a lone tank can break down the White House gates.
B. Go into the Appalacians and live as a hermit.
C. Live life the same way I've lived the past 4 years, just slightly more pissed off at Bush supporters.

Oh man that cracked me up! Ahahhaha, that was great.

Anyway. If Bush wins, I suffer the mocking of the conservative paradise I live in (North Dakota), and whine to my handful of liberal friends. If Kerry wins, I dance in the halls and try not to get shot by a pissed conservative.

Bush Won and Al Gore did not. Last time I checked the US Constitution, we do things via the Electoral College and not the Popular Vote.

Something that desperately needs to change.

No Kerry won't. Quit getting your panties in a twist over something that's never going to happen.

Oh, on the contrary, Kerry will ban firearms if he gets elected. John Kerry has consistantly -- the only thing he's ever really been consistant on -- voted against the Second Amendment. He voted for a bill that would outlaw all center-fire ammunition. He and his socialist anti-freedom friends in the Senate, voted to kill the Gun Industry Immunity bill, which would have protected firearm companies from frivolous lawsuits. He voted for the Brady Bill. He voted for the incredibly useless Clinton Gun Ban. He's voted to close gun shows. He's voted to prevent private citizens from selling their firearms to family members. He's voted to ban all semi-automatic shotguns. The list goes on and on....

George Bush is by far no saint of Americanism, but he is far more of an American than that snakey little socialist slime we call John F'n Kerry........

Me!

Regardless, for now, it simply does not make sense to say that Bush 'lost' the election because you disagree with how presidents are elected. Sure, some people don't like the electoral college, I'm one of them. But please, please, pretty please don't inform us all that Bush lost, because he did'nt.

And if Bush wins, I'll laugh, and hide in my attic. I live in Seattle. There will be riots, and the under 20 populace will run amok.

On a football (both American and a little association) forum I post on, we have 6 canadian posters (only behind the US) and I joked once that I may have to join them up in Maple Leaf Land.

Something that desperately needs to change.

No, it does not need to change. Why do you want to screw out the small states by leaving it to popular vote? All a candidate would have to do is campaign in the most populated states and they'd have the election....Electoral College is necessary if we wish to represent all of our states....

Me!

Oh, on the contrary, Kerry will ban firearms if he gets elected. John Kerry has consistantly -- the only thing he's ever really been consistant on -- voted against the Second Amendment. He voted for a bill that would outlaw all center-fire ammunition. He and his socialist anti-freedom friends in the Senate, voted to kill the Gun Industry Immunity bill, which would have protected firearm companies from frivolous lawsuits. He voted for the Brady Bill. He voted for the incredibly useless Clinton Gun Ban. He's voted to close gun shows. He's voted to prevent private citizens from selling their firearms to family members. He's voted to ban all semi-automatic shotguns. The list goes on and on....

George Bush is by far no saint of Americanism, but he is far more of an American than that snakey little socialist slime we call John F'n Kerry........

Me!

Whereas Bush just attacks the 1st Amendment.

Whereas Bush just attacks the 1st Amendment.

Kind of like John Kerry trying to censor Unfit for Command and keep it off store shelves? Everyone in gov't attacks the First Amendment. The Constitution died when the North violated the South's Constitutional right to secede.....since then, the US gov't has just been flogging the dead body of the Constitution with every move it has done.....

Me!

Probably go roast marshmallows on the results of the inevitable arson at my liberal-arts college... :rolleyes:

No, it does not need to change. Why do you want to screw out the small states by leaving it to popular vote? All a candidate would have to do is campaign in the most populated states and they'd have the election....Electoral College is necessary if we wish to represent all of our states....

Me!
Colerica is right. The Electoral College goes by the majority rules. And Kerry is a member of an un-democratic body. The Senate goes against the majority rules of a simple democracy

Any other US residents prepared to move to Canada?

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate?

I'll drink a bottle of Dom Perignon (which I am saving for this occasion) as soon as Ohio and Florida are called for him (or just either New Jersey or Pennsylvania alone). Oh, and by the way, I expect him to win by a landslide.

Oh, on the contrary, Kerry will ban firearms if he gets elected. John Kerry has consistantly -- the only thing he's ever really been consistant on -- voted against the Second Amendment. He voted for a bill that would outlaw all center-fire ammunition. He and his socialist anti-freedom friends in the Senate, voted to kill the Gun Industry Immunity bill, which would have protected firearm companies from frivolous lawsuits. He voted for the Brady Bill. He voted for the incredibly useless Clinton Gun Ban. He's voted to close gun shows. He's voted to prevent private citizens from selling their firearms to family members. He's voted to ban all semi-automatic shotguns. The list goes on and on....


You're right, he would. Because John Kerry is an American Government Superman who can singlehandedly pull a bill through a Republican-controlled House and Senate to the point at which he has any official capacity over it.

It just ain't gonna happen. He isn't going to have any more power to make this happen than he's had as a Senator the last two years- less, in fact, cause he's not even gonna get to vote with the minority.

If bush wins, If bush wins I'll do this to him :sniper: Seriously i hate his guts, but both kerry and bush are going to enforce a law that you can't make anything against the president, and going to amend the constitution... :sniper: is he dead yet? Just to make sure :mp5:

No, it does not need to change. Why do you want to screw out the small states by leaving it to popular vote? All a candidate would have to do is campaign in the most populated states and they'd have the election....Electoral College is necessary if we wish to represent all of our states....

Me!

Why do you want to represent lines on a map, over people?

A more populated state should be more important than a small one. Venture a guess why...They have more people! Our constitution says all people are created equally. Yet not all people have equal votes. You are disadvantaged in voting if you live in a big state? What kind of bullshit is that?

A state is only lines on a map. The civil war, remember that? States rights lost man. Its people and the federal government. If you want to go so far, why not give each state one vote, and have that person decide how he wants that nation to vote? Or maybe there will be three votes, one to the west of the mississippi, on to the east, and hawaii?

Why should votes be ignored? A large state should have more pull, because it has more people! It represents more people! I dont see how some people don't get the concept. In an equal representation system, theoretically, a state with more people has more pull, because it represents more people. Whats so hard to understand?

Why do you want to represent lines on a map, over people?

A more populated state should be more important than a small one. Venture a guess why...They have more people! Our constitution says all people are created equally. Yet not all people have equal votes. You are disadvantaged in voting if you live in a big state? What kind of bullshit is that?

A state is only lines on a map. The civil war, remember that? States rights lost man. Its people and the federal government. If you want to go so far, why not give each state one vote, and have that person decide how he wants that nation to vote? Or maybe there will be three votes, one to the west of the mississippi, on to the east, and hawaii?

Why should votes be ignored? A large state should have more pull, because it has more people! It represents more people! I dont see how some people don't get the concept. In an equal representation system, theoretically, a state with more people has more pull, because it represents more people. Whats so hard to understand?

I guess you wouldn't have been a fan of the Great Compromise...:)

In all seriousness, don't you care at all for the people who live in the smaller states? Their voices would not be heard at all if we had a popular vote only system. Don't you understand what I'm saying? If there was no Electoral College, all a candidate would have to do is win the few biggest states....that would drown out the smaller states....

Me!

I thought about immigrating to Canada, but it's not terribly practical, as I've no sponsor.

Seriously, I don't think Bush will win. I'm going on blind faith here but it's all I've got. I'd just be too depressed to think about it, before it happens. Better just wait and see.

-- Magistrate Dex Beeblebrox of Hoopy Froodonia

I guess you wouldn't have been a fan of the Great Compromise...:)

In all seriousness, don't you care at all for the people who live in the smaller states? Their voices would not be heard at all if we had a popular vote only system. Don't you understand what I'm saying? If there was no Electoral College, all a candidate would have to do is win the few biggest states....that would drown out the smaller states....

Me!

As it stands, all the candidates have to do is win a few midwestern states and Florida. Those few states alone drown out the entire rest of the country, big states and small states combined.

If Bush wins, I'll probably spend the first few hours after the election cursing him and the electoral system in lthe foulest language I know. Then, I'll probably get over it and wait to see how things shape up.

If Bush actually starts to shape up the economy and manages to fix some the problems America is having in Iraq, I'll issue an apology to all my friends who supported Bush. If he doesn't learn anything and keeps going in the direction he's been going for the last four years, I'm looking into a new home abroad, say in Europe or Austrailia.

Colerica is right. The Electoral College goes by the majority rules. And Kerry is a member of an un-democratic body. The Senate goes against the majority rules of a simple democracy

That argument would be a lot more affective if we lived in a democracy.

Unfortunatly, we don't. So it's not affective at all.

if bush wins I guess I will wake up on the third and go to college if kerry wins I guess I will do the same thing maybe a little worried if bush lost and pray to god kerry doesn't screw up.

Rather than reading everything, I just want to get my point out. I appologize if I am repeating anything.

Kerry is taller, so there is no way he can lose.

Since the wide acceptence of TV during the presidential races, the taller candidate has ALWAYS won. With the exception of two occasions, both in which the taller candidate was bald. Ahh yes, and then there was the fact that Gore is just a hair taller than Bush. But the supreme court decided that, not the people under the electoral college system. (In fact, the people in general decided Gore should have won... but there is a reason we use the electoral college system, and I don't think it failed us.)

On the morning of November the 3rd, after it's official that Bush has won, I will make sure to buy stock in Travelocity, Expedia, Hotwire, and several airlines. With so many of you libs promising to leave the country, I stand to make quite a bit of moo-lah.

Of course, many of you lefties said you would leave the country in 2000, and I am still waiting. Alec Baldwin, your one-way ticket is still valid!

At this point, I really don't give a hoot who wins. Either way, people will bitch. I just can't wait for the political commercials to stop.

hell yeah...either way someone willl bitch and sue for a few months...
if bush wins it'll be more of the same ol boo hoo "he stole the election" boo hoo
if kerry wins i'm sure it'll be the same from the republicans

On the morning of November the 3rd, after it's official that Bush has won, I will make sure to buy stock in Travelocity, Expedia, Hotwire, and several airlines. With so many of you libs promising to leave the country, I stand to make quite a bit of moo-lah.

Of course, many of you lefties said you would leave the country in 2000, and I am still waiting. Alec Baldwin, your one-way ticket is still valid!
dont forget streisand ..if she evers owns up to her promise i will carry her all the way to canada on my back

I thought about immigrating to Canada, but it's not terribly practical, as I've no sponsor.

Seriously, I don't think Bush will win. I'm going on blind faith here but it's all I've got. I'd just be too depressed to think about it, before it happens. Better just wait and see.

-- Magistrate Dex Beeblebrox of Hoopy Froodonia

go to canada , have a heart attack , and die waiting in line for some o' that wonderful socialised healthcare

I guess you wouldn't have been a fan of the Great Compromise...:)

In all seriousness, don't you care at all for the people who live in the smaller states? Their voices would not be heard at all if we had a popular vote only system. Don't you understand what I'm saying? If there was no Electoral College, all a candidate would have to do is win the few biggest states....that would drown out the smaller states....

Me!

No, you are wrong. The people in small states would be heard EQUALLY. Thats the whole god damn point about equal representation.

Should my vote mean less because I live in a large state? That makes no sense. Im as american as anyone else.

You keep talking about winning big states. I dont see a problem with that. Big states represent more americans. Should some americans be under-represented so that canidates have to go all around? We should piss off the majority to please the minority?

Should my vote not count because im in a locked kerry state? Or a locked bush one?

We live in the age of the internet. If a canidate doesn't campaign in your state, its not that big of a deal. They havn't campaigned in mine. I still am very informed about the facts.

Also, canidates would visit smaller states too, because large states would become more split. Popular votes are inherently close, percentage wise. It would also spur more people to vote, as they would know their vote would actually count.

I simply dont see why people in small states need unequal representation just because their area is less dense.

go to canada , have a heart attack , and die waiting in line for some o' that wonderful socialised healthcare

They have ER's in canada...tard

I'll bet all of you people who say you're going to move to another country will end up grossly over exaggerating your reaction. Looking at it logically, the benefit of moving is vastly outweighed by numerous disadvantages such as time and money.

You can gladly prove me wrong, however, by posting pictures of yourselves in your new found country if Bush wins. Then I shall admit that I'm just a dumbass who shouldn't be posting on these boards.

Another thing, one way I know most of my 1st amendment rights have not been violated is the fact that I can still read messages where people say they want to :mp5: or :sniper: or :gundge: the current president. Also, do you see the sheer volume of anti-Bush books out on the market? Tell me that's censorship, please.

Sure, Bush is not the best president in the world. Get over it. There's a thing called VOTING that you can do if you don't like him. Get your friends to vote. Get your family to vote. Instead of sitting at your computer and whining about how much Bush is "teh suck", why not do something about it?

Okay. I'm done. Note that these are my opinions only, and I don't really care if you disagree with them. I'll accept other points of view with clear concise evidence, and I'm not stubborn in my viewpoints. Have great day!
:D

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction?

I will hang my head in shame, grab whatever personal effects we can carry on our backs, and shuffle my whole family into the nearest French Embassy and beg for assylum.

Whichever multi-millionaire wins this election will not change my plans for November 3rd. I'll get up, go to work, and keep fighting the good fight for the causes and issues I believe in. Hopefully people won't despair if the candidate they vote for isn't elected.

if he's re-elected, i'll be mad. there's nothing he's done that has helped me, my family, or anyone else i've come to care about. infact, his father ruined my life directly (shutting down the united states air force in europe bases in italy and forcing me back into the states), and both continue to destroy the lives of thousands/millions...innocents. if the people have a choice, could one even exist with everything that this family has done against mankind??? what choice is there? "what, are you sadists?!"

please allow me to quote a great man...

What bugged my about the election was that they reduced it to this worship of money and that's what they made the whole election about: taxes, voting with your wallet.

People would say to me 'Bill, you vote for Clinton, he's gonna raise your taxes. He'll tell you he's not, but he's gonna. A vote for Clinton, is a vote for higher taxes.'"

There's other reasons not to vote for George Bush than taxes. I don't know what's happened to us as a world, maybe 12 years of Republicanism has made us think this way, but the reason I didn't vote for George Bush is because George Bush along with Ronald Reagan presided over an administration who's policy towards South America included genocide.

So yeah, the reason I didn't vote for him is because he's a mass murderer. Yeah, I'll pay the extra nickle on a liter of petrol just knowing little brown kids aren't being clubbed to death like baby seals in Honduras so Pepsi can put a plant down there.


People ask me where I stood politically you know. It's not that I disagreed with Bush's economic policy or his foreign policy. But that I believe he was a child of Satan here to destroy the planet Earth. Yeah, I'm a little, a little to the left there, I was. I was leaning that way.

Bush tried to buy votes towards the end of the election. Goes around, you know, selling weapons to everyone, getting that military industrial complex vote happening for him. Sold 160 fighter jets to Korea and then 240 tanks to Kuwait and then goes around making speeches why he should be Commander-in-Chief because, 'We still live in a dangerous world.' ...Thanks to you, you f*cker!

- the late Bill Hicks talking about Bush Senior's administration
(he'd be having a field day with junior here...)

I hope he declares war on NK, heh...

I will hang my head in shame, grab whatever personal effects we can carry on our backs, and shuffle my whole family into the nearest French Embassy and beg for assylum.

approach the embassy slowly or they might think you are invading and run away in a panic.

approach the embassy slowly or they might think you are invading and run away in a panic.

Still a better deal than Arab asylum-seekers approaching an American embassy, where we'll think they're terrorists and shoot them in a panic... :rolleyes:

Still a better deal than Arab asylum-seekers approaching an American embassy, where we'll think they're terrorists and shoot them in a panic... :rolleyes:

'Sactly (say it out loud, it makes more sense)

I figure the English wouldn't want me because I'm a savage American Indian and I sure as hell don't want to go into Israel or Saudi (too dangerous for my tastes) ...

I figure either Australia or France. I tossed a coin, it came up France.

Still a better deal than Arab asylum-seekers approaching an American embassy, where we'll think they're terrorists and shoot them in a panic... :rolleyes:


Well, they were seeking asylum so we just sent them to their god/paradise. Another example of American efficiency at work, our soldiers just cut out the middleman called life.

Well, they were seeking asylum so we just sent them to their god/paradise. Another example of American efficiency at work, our soldiers just cut out the middleman called life.

Ouch, baby, very ouch.

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

Since the US is NOT a "Democracy" you will be wasting your wreath, but who cares. Bush is not your Prime Minister now is he?

Since the US is NOT a "Democracy" you will be wasting your wreath, but who cares. Bush is not your Prime Minister now is he?
Well, since you don't vote for your leaders or representatives, suppose not.

Well, since you don't vote for your leaders or representatives, suppose not.

The US is a "Representative Republic" not a "Democracy." We do vote for our leaders who represent us in Congress. As an aside, there is no "right" to vote for President anywhere in the US. So when some idiot says his/her "right" to vote has been denied is factually incorrect.

The US is a "Representative Republic" not a "Democracy." We do vote for our leaders who represent us in Congress. As an aside, there is no "right" to vote for President anywhere in the US. So when some idiot says his/her "right" to vote has been denied is factually incorrect.
Which is a form of democracy. Just like our Constitutional Monarchy, is a form of democracy.

The US is a "Representative Republic" not a "Democracy." We do vote for our leaders who represent us in Congress. As an aside, there is no "right" to vote for President anywhere in the US. So when some idiot says his/her "right" to vote has been denied is factually incorrect.

Refused Party Program officially offers the user known as Biff Pileon the title of Batshit Insane based on consistent (and alarming) disregard for humanity and failing to see the point on numerous occasions. Congratulations, brother, it is well-deserved. :D

Which is a form of democracy. Just like our Constitutional Monarchy, is a form of democracy.

Yes, it is a FORM of Democracy I guess, but the founding fathers wanted anything BUT a Democracy. The system they set up is unique. The individual states can determine which way they want to choose their electors to the electoral college. They could choose to only allow people with red hair to vote if they so choose. That they chose to allow everyone to vote was seen as the fairest thing to do, but it was not necessary that they do so.

Refused Party Program officially offers the user known as Biff Pileon the title of Batshit Insane based on consistent (and alarming) disregard for humanity and failing to see the point on numerous occasions. Congratulations, brother, it is well-deserved. :D

I suggest you read the US Constitution and you will see that I am correct....

I challenge you to find ANYWHERE where it says that we in the US have a "RIGHT" to vote for our President.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_Electoral_Count_Chart.html

This is one of the better electoral maps. Real Clear Politics compiles all the major polls and uses averages from all of them.

http://presidentelect.org/e2004.html

This is a good one as well. They beat all the other polls in the last election.

If Bush wins the election and the Republicans hold the House and Senate then I'll likely grab my rifle, head down to the firing range and expend the 300 dollar surplus in shells I've aquired over the years. AFterwards I'll head out to my forge and beat metal till I feel better about the future of this country. After that, I'll return home to write a letter to the president (it's been a tradition for me) requesting he review some policies of his that I disagree with (not that it's ever worked in the past. . . but maybe he'll send me an autographed picture like his father did) and then hope for the best in the next four years. Note, this is the exact same reaction if it's the Democrats, rather than the republicans, who control the country for the next two years.

I am noticing a very dominant trend in the opinions laid out in this discussion. Bush is not the devil as some would have you believe. The decisions he has made have been hard ones and I don't know if any man or woman put in his position 3.5 year ago could have done any better. I believe that the war on terror has left a sour taste in many americans mouths and I admit that I'm not all for the current administration and their handeling of the situation in the beginning, but now that we are there, we must finish what we started. Bush has done some very good things for our country: health care, education funding, tax cuts where they were needed, defence spending, ... etc. Kerry on the other hand has a very backward voting record compared to what he has expressed lately. I cannot trust a man who changes his mind on issue that could affect the country in a very big way. Did you know that Kerry voted a strong yes to start in Iraq? He also voted to abolish Gay Marriage rights. The man is confussed about what he believes and that is why his compaign is centered around what Bush has done wrong in the past 4 year, not what he will do with the next. There have been good and bad aspects to every presidential canidate in history and there always will be. Be cautious with what you say and examine every part of the issue before you start throwing things around the internet.


this guy is off his rocker :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Bush is not the devil as some would have you believe. The decisions he has made have been hard ones and I don't know if any man or woman put in his position 3.5 year ago could have done any better. I believe that the war on terror has left a sour taste in many americans mouths and I admit that I'm not all for the current administration and their handeling of the situation in the beginning, but now that we are there, we must finish what we started. Bush has done some very good things for our country: health care, education funding, tax cuts where they were needed, defence spending, ... etc.

say what?
defence spending went up from 1/3 of world spending to 1/2 (how much military do you need? going to conquer half the world, are you?)
tax cuts where they're needed? oh, so the rich don't have enough money? tax burden too high probably to make many more millions? and how smart is it to cut taxes AND rapidly increase spending? can't be too smart, considering that a weak dollar, a huge trade deficit and a fiscal deficit spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E.
education? great idea, making schools responsible but not raising their budgets... real motivational!

say what?
defence spending went up from 1/3 of world spending to 1/2 (how much military do you need? going to conquer half the world, are you?)
tax cuts where they're needed? oh, so the rich don't have enough money? tax burden too high probably to make many more millions? and how smart is it to cut taxes AND rapidly increase spending? can't be too smart, considering that a weak dollar, a huge trade deficit and a fiscal deficit spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E.
education? great idea, making schools responsible but not raising their budgets... real motivational!

Defense spending as a % of GDP is about 5%. HARDLY the amount you seem to think it is. China spends more....

Oh, and a weak dollar is a GOOD thing. makes US products cheaper and exports go up....

say what?
defence spending went up from 1/3 of world spending to 1/2 (how much military do you need? going to conquer half the world, are you?)
tax cuts where they're needed? oh, so the rich don't have enough money? tax burden too high probably to make many more millions? and how smart is it to cut taxes AND rapidly increase spending? can't be too smart, considering that a weak dollar, a huge trade deficit and a fiscal deficit spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E.
education? great idea, making schools responsible but not raising their budgets... real motivational!


I am assuming that by your statements that you are either a Keynsnian or a lunatic. Update your economic policy.

The US is a "Representative Republic" not a "Democracy." We do vote for our leaders who represent us in Congress. As an aside, there is no "right" to vote for President anywhere in the US. So when some idiot says his/her "right" to vote has been denied is factually incorrect.


Every state in the United States has passed laws declaring that the election to elect the electors that elect the President and Vice President shall be held by popular vote of the people.

The right to vote in those elections is guaranteed by the Constitution in Amendments 15,19 and 26. You are correct, to an extent, in that the state legislatures have the right to determine how the electors are chosen. While all the states choose to elect their electors by popular vote, however, you're assertion that we do not have a right to vote, is dead wrong. You have to remember that rights are not given by the government, they can only be supressed by the government. Our rights are inherant and endowed by our creator.

As to the issue of Democracy or "Representative Republic", you are confusing the term "Democracy". There are many types of democracies. The term you are thinking about when you claim we are not a democracy is a direct democracy, which is a type of democracy. The term has different meanings. Our government is a democratic one, even though it is not a pure democracy.

I am not religious, but I recall, only vaguely, what Paul the Apostle said concerning dignities (people in high positions, or people in positions of governmental power), insisting that many times we should not speak ill of them, since we may not be privileged to all that they are privileged to - a striking comment, I think, and worthy of note.
I am not a Republican, nor am I a Democrat, nor do I see clearly the point in invading Iraq, and therefor I cannot say knowingly and honestly that it was for a good purpose, benefiting our nation - were there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? I think not, but it has already been shown that the Iraqis under Saddam Hussein were capable of producing such weapons and were indeed a threat as I am sure most of you have already heard.
"We shouldn't have invaded Iraq without a strong coalition of nations giving us support." Amen. Please note, however, that France, Russia and Germany all profited from Saddam's position of power in Iraq - why exactly should they be expected to grant any large-scale support?
I will not be voting this year, as I believe the system, while based on an ideal, has become corrupt - a system where votes mean very little, technically, because those we do not see in Europe will actually dictate national policy (I refer to International Bankers, spearheaded by secret organizations like the Illuminati). In other words, the election ahs already been decided, and we have simply to see the results. :)

say what?
defence spending went up from 1/3 of world spending to 1/2 (how much military do you need? going to conquer half the world, are you?)
tax cuts where they're needed? oh, so the rich don't have enough money? tax burden too high probably to make many more millions? and how smart is it to cut taxes AND rapidly increase spending? can't be too smart, considering that a weak dollar, a huge trade deficit and a fiscal deficit spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E.
education? great idea, making schools responsible but not raising their budgets... real motivational!

for one there are so many good anti bush forums i sulute you all the above is all true and there is much more i could right an 10000 page book on the faults of bush and much more about his father and you people who have not gone to jib jab you got to

its now the rat and the shrub vs halk and the eagle

The right to vote in those elections is guaranteed by the Constitution in Amendments 15,19 and 26.

The 15, 19. and 26 amendments to the US Constitution only garuntees the right Right to Vote for Blacks, Women, and for 18 yos on up.

The 15, 19. and 26 amendments to the US Constitution only garuntees the right Right to Vote for Blacks, Women, and for 18 yos on up.

Yes, which would be the entire voting population.

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.
if George Bush wins a second term, if he wins legitimately and the popular vote is his, then i will change the direction of my research thesis to study the form of delusional psychosis that a significant portion of Americans must be suffering from. if he cheats again, and is allowed to get away with it, i will leave the country.

Yes, which would be the entire voting population.

Actually it isn't! We still have people that can't vote but I know that these people shouldn't vote. I think you would know what I'm talking about.

Every state in the United States has passed laws declaring that the election to elect the electors that elect the President and Vice President shall be held by popular vote of the people.

The right to vote in those elections is guaranteed by the Constitution in Amendments 15,19 and 26. You are correct, to an extent, in that the state legislatures have the right to determine how the electors are chosen. While all the states choose to elect their electors by popular vote, however, you're assertion that we do not have a right to vote, is dead wrong. You have to remember that rights are not given by the government, they can only be supressed by the government. Our rights are inherant and endowed by our creator.

As to the issue of Democracy or "Representative Republic", you are confusing the term "Democracy". There are many types of democracies. The term you are thinking about when you claim we are not a democracy is a direct democracy, which is a type of democracy. The term has different meanings. Our government is a democratic one, even though it is not a pure democracy.

15th amendment says that IF you are going to allow one group to vote, you cannot deny that vote to other groups. Period. It does NOT grant a "right" to vote.

19th amendment only says that IF you are going to allow one group to vote you cannot deny that vote to women.

26th amendment only says that IF you are going to allow the people to vote, you cannot deny that vote to anyone 18 and over.

The STATES can choose their electors in any way they see fit. There is NO absolute "right" to vote for President.

Actually it isn't! We still have people that can't vote but I know that these people shouldn't vote. I think you would know what I'm talking about.
Are you talking about criminals or immigrants, or criminal immigrants?

if George Bush wins a second term, if he wins legitimately and the popular vote is his, then i will change the direction of my research thesis to study the form of delusional psychosis that a significant portion of Americans must be suffering from. if he cheats again, and is allowed to get away with it, i will leave the country.

Question!

What if he loses the popular vote but wins the electoral vote again? As you know, we don't do things by popular vote for president in this country.

Are you talking about criminals or immigrants, or criminal immigrants?

I'm talking about natural born US Citizens!

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

Because, you know, if he gains a majority of the electors to the electoral college through a democratic process that's clearly the start of tyranny.

Tell you what, during your next elections when the Queen is once again returned as head of state, I'll take a trip down to your embassy to ask the british how the fuck they manage to be so pompous. Ass.

if George Bush wins a second term, if he wins legitimately and the popular vote is his, then i will change the direction of my research thesis to study the form of delusional psychosis that a significant portion of Americans must be suffering from. if he cheats again, and is allowed to get away with it, i will leave the country.

He did not "cheat" the last time...he won the electoral college vote. THATS how we choose our President....

He did not "cheat" the last time...he won the electoral college vote. THATS how we choose our President....

Care to place a bet he calls up the US Supreme Court?

Since the US is NOT a "Democracy" you will be wasting your wreath, but who cares. Bush is not your Prime Minister now is he?

He may not be our Prime Minister, but his decisions affect all of our countries. That's why people in other countries care so much about the US elections. It's not that they care about what happens inside America, only that it affects us so badly.

As for those of you who don't vote I can't believe you can be so complacent about the future of your country. Here voting is compulsory and although people whinge at least we know that we're all having a say. Of course the system's not going to work properly if everyone doesn't have a say.

15th amendment says that IF you are going to allow one group to vote, you cannot deny that vote to other groups. Period. It does NOT grant a "right" to vote.

19th amendment only says that IF you are going to allow one group to vote you cannot deny that vote to women.

26th amendment only says that IF you are going to allow the people to vote, you cannot deny that vote to anyone 18 and over.

The STATES can choose their electors in any way they see fit. There is NO absolute "right" to vote for President.

The point is that every state in the union uses voting as a way to elect their electors. THEREFORE, the right to vote in those amendments applies.

Secondly, you obviously failed to read where I stated that the government does not GRANT you rights, you are endowed with rights, some of which you voluntarily give up in order to function as a society. (read Hobbes)

I'm talking about natural born US Citizens!
How can natural born US citizens not vote?

Care to place a bet he calls up the US Supreme Court?

Wasn't it Gore who did that last time?

How can natural born US citizens not vote?

In many states felons cannot vote. Also natural born US citizens under the age of 18 cannot vote.

The point is that every state in the union uses voting as a way to elect their electors. THEREFORE, the right to vote in those amendments applies.

Secondly, you obviously failed to read where I stated that the government does not GRANT you rights, you are endowed with rights, some of which you voluntarily give up in order to function as a society. (read Hobbes)

That every state CHOOSES to do it that way is one thing. Each state COULD decide to do it by a best 2 out of three coin tosses. They very well could choose to do that...therefore a "right" to vote does not exist.

Thats true, we do give up some of our rights...my point is to try and educate some of these people who have so little knowledge of our system.

Wasn't it Gore who did that last time?

Actually it was really Bush that brought to the US Supreme Court because the Florida Supreme Court had different standards for different counties.

The Supreme Court ruled the first time that it must be uniformed. When Florida Supreme Court did not issue such a ruling asked for by SCOTUS, the Bush Campaign brought it back again.

In a 5-4 vote, they declared what Florida was doing, the ununiformed ballot recount that is, unconstitutional. It is constitutional for the recount but it must be uniformed.

Probably just goin to bitch about it like ive did the last 4 years...
Then im going to do this alot :headbang:

How can natural born US citizens not vote?

I know of thousands of people that cant vote. Many of them friends of mine because they are not 18 years old.

Actually it was really Bush that brought to the US Supreme Court because the Florida Supreme Court had different standards for different counties.

The Supreme Court ruled the first time that it must be uniformed. When Florida Supreme Court did not issue such a ruling asked for by SCOTUS, the Bush Campaign brought it back again.

In a 5-4 vote, they declared what Florida was doing, the ununiformed ballot recount that is, unconstitutional. It is constitutional for the recount but it must be uniformed.

Thats right....Gore only wanted to recount the counties that were largely Democrat and the Supreme Court said that they would have to recount to entire state to make it fair...in the end Bush won by 537 votes.

He did not "cheat" the last time...he won the electoral college vote. THATS how we choose our President....
i'm not saying the fact that he won was a cheat, i'm saying that he and his team engaged in blatant cheating (which has all been well-documented). whether or not he won the electoral college, i don't want a cheater running this country...if he cheated AT ALL, even if it wasn't what lead to his victory, then he should not be president. if he cheats again and is still allowed to be the figurehead of this country, i will not be able to stomach being called "American."

If he wins it will be no different to me than if Kerry wins.

btw isbnt there a paragraf in the US constitution about the minimum difference in votes there should be to win?

btw isbnt there a paragraf in the US constitution about the minimum difference in votes there should be to win?

Nope!

i'm not saying the fact that he won was a cheat, i'm saying that he and his team engaged in blatant cheating (which has all been well-documented). whether or not he won the electoral college, i don't want a cheater running this country...if he cheated AT ALL, even if it wasn't what lead to his victory, then he should not be president. if he cheats again and is still allowed to be the figurehead of this country, i will not be able to stomach being called "American."

Are you seriously suggesting that only the republicans engage in voter fraud?

I will move to Canada.

Firstly, I would recommend that everyone, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, read my post, which is the first on this page, and give a review; secondly, I would like to point out that George W. Bush did not cheat in the last presidential election, as many ignorant people believe and would have others believe.
It is indeed possible and entirely legal and fair for the Supreme Court to enter into any legal dispute at all, if necessary. :)

Bush ? Kerry ? Is there a choice ? It's all just big business! I'd like to keep Bush 'cos he's clearly a Moron, hence easy to predict. Better the Devil you know I say!

well i dont like to see bush as president but its going to happen anyway face it and kerry isnt fit to be one either

So sorry - I meant the first one on the eighth page.

It is indeed possible and entirely legal and fair for the Supreme Court to enter into any legal dispute at all, if necessary. :)


While the USSC certainly had original jurisdiction in the Bush v. Gore case, your statement is not at all true. The USSC jurisidiction is limited to:

(a) The Supreme Court shall have original and exclusive jurisdiction of all controversies between two or more States.
(b) The Supreme Court shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction of:
(1) All actions or proceedings to which ambassadors, other public ministers, consuls, or vice consuls of foreign states are parties;
(2) All controversies between the United States and a State;
(3) All actions or proceedings by a State against the citizens of another State or against aliens.

http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00001251----000-.html

Lets just say that he acts like amoron very well.....:)

I believe Biff classified this country as a democracy; this is incorrect. Our system of government is that of a democratic republic.

i'm not saying the fact that he won was a cheat, i'm saying that he and his team engaged in blatant cheating (which has all been well-documented). whether or not he won the electoral college, i don't want a cheater running this country...if he cheated AT ALL, even if it wasn't what lead to his victory, then he should not be president. if he cheats again and is still allowed to be the figurehead of this country, i will not be able to stomach being called "American."
I thought he was appointed by the Federal Supreme Court when they overturned the Florida Supreme Court's decision to do an entire state recount. He may in fact have won the recount, but that stands in the face of tens of thousands of disenfranchised minority voters. The same tactics are being used now, the purge list, voter intimidation (sherrifs going to the homes of elderly black voters), registration drives that either don't sign up Democrats or shred all forms that aren't Republican. Have the democrats ever cheated? I'm sure they have, but not like this and not in my lifetime.

I believe Biff classified this country as a democracy; this is incorrect. Our system of government is that of a democratic republic.

It is a "Representative Republic." The word DEMOCRACY is not found anywhere in the Constitution OR the Bill of Rights.

I forgot to place the limitation of state affairs - thank you for the correction, Stagiria.

I believe Biff classified this country as a democracy; this is incorrect. Our system of government is that of a democratic republic.

I am going to pretend that you did not just say we are not a democracy, and then refer to us as "democratic" in the same sentence.

Scroll back and read my post on the TWO definitions of the term "democracy". While we are not a "direct democracy" we are certainly a democracy.

i'm not saying the fact that he won was a cheat, i'm saying that he and his team engaged in blatant cheating (which has all been well-documented). whether or not he won the electoral college, i don't want a cheater running this country...if he cheated AT ALL, even if it wasn't what lead to his victory, then he should not be president. if he cheats again and is still allowed to be the figurehead of this country, i will not be able to stomach being called "American."

Everyone "says" there was cheating....but in the end, every study of the election and every investigation failed to find any.

If you choose to not call yourself an American, thats your right. You are free to leave at any time. I hear Canada has easy immigration standards.

Correct Biff, but "representative republic" and "democratic republic" are reasonably interchangeable terms.

Correct Biff, but "representative republic" and "democratic republic" are reasonably interchangeable terms.

We could debate this ad-nauseum. Ours is a form of democracy, but not really a democracy at all. The founding fathers actually only wanted land owners to be allowed to vote. Then those who could read....hardly the bastion of "democracy" that we are often taught.

I think the funniest thing that could happen would be if Bush won the popular vote and Kerry won the electoral college.

All over you.

ELECTRIC BLUE!!!!!

I think the funniest thing that could happen would be if Bush won the popular vote and Kerry won the electoral college.

Then Kerry would be President....it has happened before. Yes, even before Bush/Gore.

I know, but all the partisan people would reverse the positions they took during the last election. The Republicans would complain about the electoral college system and about how Kerry stole the election. It would be pretty darn funny.

I think the funniest thing that could happen would be if Bush won the popular vote and Kerry won the electoral college.

Yea it would be funny! LOL

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

Commence digging The Bunker.

First, let me be the first to wish all the people going to Canada well.

Second, let me give my condolences to the Canadian people. For they would be getting the short end of the stick when this happens. :D

Yea I really don't believe all you Baldwin wannabe's. But I can hope, can't I?

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As far as popular vs. electoral. I've been going back and forth on this issue. If we went with the popular vote, yea the smaller states would have less power, but all votes would count (like all the republican votes in NY and CA).
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For those who threaten violence against The President: You might be careful. I think even suggesting such a thing can land you in prison.

by the laws of this nation Bush is our president. references to how he never won the first election are childish and stupid.

If Bush wins, I will win a total of £50s worth of drink and... other intoxicants from my friends.

GO BUSH!!

I'll start making plans to get drafted...I'm 18...then I'll piss and moan for a few days and start having dreams about his impeachment.

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

By hook or crook he'll win, I think, but doesn't mean our nation should support a dictatorship, does it?

Wouldn't be the first time.


Looks like I'm moving to britain, judging by your posts.

More like, moving to britain, marrying you (if you're female) or one of your sisters for legal reasons, becoming a dual US/UK citizen, and voting in american elections to see if it's possible to oust him via absentee. I can tell you that if recounts happen again, florida is going to have a civil war, and the democrats will win, because if you loook at the numbers? They outnumber the republicans three to one. Also, there's a group active in florida called Republicans for Kerry. I'm optomistic, but when this country gets into a civil war: :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: over this, i'm checking out.


RE DEFEAT BUSH 2004!!!!

Either way You're all getting drafted to Iraq! Enjoy!

I'll start making plans to get drafted...I'm 18...then I'll piss and moan for a few days and start having dreams about his impeachment.


You are buying the Kerry spin that the draft will come back! LOL

You do realize that a bill to reinstate the draft was in congress and died horribly. Do you also realize that it was a democrat that wrote the bill to start with?

You'll need the draft because our Scottish soldiers won't be covering Americas back for much longer. You better pray that Cheney and Co. get their hands on that Oil pretty soon.

Ok first of all, if you are going to bitch about anything to do with the president or president to be or election results, you had better vote. Seriously.

Next, if there is EVER a draft and Im eligible Im dropping a cinder block on my foot or something.

And finally, I dont want Bush to win mostly for the fact that this next term with be a very important term with appointments to various positions. The ideal way for our system to work is to have everything balanced so everyone is always at each others throats so we have to constantly have compromises (sp). If he is elected there will be a large conservative imbalance in the system. So, it doesnt really matter who you like, because if that happens then things will change drastically for the worse, and the same would happen if there was a large majority of Dems.

God help us all if bush wins. First the war, then exploding volcanoes....before you know it, it will be armageddon!

Yea so if theres a draft ill eather have an "accedent" or move to Canada.. Eh?

The republicans should adopt the following campaign slogans:

Corporations are people too!!!

Blood for Oil!!!

Don't change horsemen mid apocalypse!!!

I will feel annoyance.

I'll start making plans to get drafted...I'm 18...then I'll piss and moan for a few days and start having dreams about his impeachment.

The draft is not coming back North Central America!

Yeah you're right, if Kerry gets elected, we won't be able to stop an intruder with an AK 47 anymore... shit. We'd have to settle for dinky handguns..


But you wouldn't be able to use that "Military Issue" gun either. In case you don't know, Kerry wants to make all military-issue guns banned to civilian.

Remember, ban any gun, and the criminals will be the only ones to have them. Isn't that right England? :)

dick cheney is unelectable
his health isnt good enough and hes too harsh anyway
but
didnt you watch the debate? he SAID he wasnt interested in running for president.

Honestly, I did not watch the debates, seeing how I can't vote because I'm Canadian, so I made a mistake on that front. However, I still don't think George W. Bush would be so bad as to completely ruin it for the Rebublicans- he'd want Senator John McCain to have a chance wouldn't he?

As far as popular vs. electoral. I've been going back and forth on this issue. If we went with the popular vote, yea the smaller states would have less power, but all votes would count (like all the republican votes in NY and CA).
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But then all you'd need is the Top 10 cities, and whammo, you are president. At most I think the EC needs reform, but don't abolish.

*happily living in a non-top-10 city*

See, regardless of who wins, this country is headed into a government run morass. I'm with whoever said they're going to get good and loaded. Kerry has repeatedly said that he would have acted just like Bush in ALL situations, but continues to promise new "plans" that are somehow different from Bush's, without getting his hands dirty and elaborating. On domestic policy, Kerry is trying to manipulate the economic fabric of our nation with his taxation policy, an idea that doesn't really work, and hasn't in the past. He'll get off acting like a saint while he doesn't bring along any change.

We are headed in an increasingly statist and oppressive direction, in the "Freest nation in the world"
Fuck that

while I'm all for women running for Presidential office, I'm not all for Hillary Clinton. I would take McCain anyday. I can imagine female friends of mine calling me sexist for my opinion, but I couldn't stomach another Clinton in the White House, given the way that the Bush's have created a legacy of Presidents, I could see a small group of families churning out Presidential candidates, which would be terrible for the US and democracy in general.

Bush wins, buy more energy stocks (both traditional and alternative).

Kerry wins, buy more .45 ammo and restock my survival kit. (I work in Manhattan).

My *personal* belief is that it won't be for another 20-30 years before the U.S. undergoes a REAL change. From what I've seen the U.S. is a lot more conservative than other countries in the world (like Canada and Europe) for very obvious reasons- the U.S. is the most powerful nation in the world, and, as the cliche goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it. This means that no matter what happens the Americans will always fall right of centre and will stay so until a major catastrophe happens, one that's bigger than 9/11 (i.e., one where the U.S. clearly and unmistakably trails everyone else, like say a successful invasion or U.S. bankruptcy). Real change doesn't happen until a catastrophe comes (no one wanted to reform Medicare in Canada until it became bankrupt), so I don't see a real change in the immediate future.

Got a little joke for everyone here:

What's the difference between Iraq and Vietnam?

Bush had a plan to get out of Vietnam.

Those of you who from abroad that are trying (as the Guardian Newspaper is) to effect the US election should beware of the anger of the American people. We don't like being told what to do, especially by foreigners. The Guardian's attempt to sway the voters of Ohio is backfiring and will aid President Bush in his efforts there. President Bush has freed over 50 million people in two countries (Afghanistan and Iraq) and will doubtless take on Iran, Syria and North Korea in his next term of office, while the EU and UN sit with their collective thumbs up their rears. We defended Europe in 1918, again in WWII, and throughout the cold war, and you have the nerve to call us 'bullies'. As they say in rural America, "don't critisize the farmer with your mouth full".

The republicans should adopt the following campaign slogans:

Corporations are people too!!!

Blood for Oil!!!

Don't change horsemen mid apocalypse!!!

I fail to see what is so bad about blood for oil.

Wars have been fought for land, prestige, ideology, food, women, gold, and just about everything else.

As for apocalypse, I urge you to go to Aushwitz, Ground Zero, and Pearl Harbor. Then speak to me of apocalypse. :(

Tell you what, during your next elections when the Queen is once again returned as head of state, I'll take a trip down to your embassy to ask the british how the fuck they manage to be so pompous. Ass.

Actually, the Queen is never 'returned' as Head of State, she was crowned and remains Head Of State until she dies or abdicates. And if she was, it wouldn't be during elections, as we don't elect our Head Of State, obviously. But hey, I don't agree with that,either. We deserve to choose our ceremonial Head of State as much as the next country.

It's all very well calling the British 'pompous' for caring about the election, but seen as the main differences between Kerry and Bush are foreign policy, the election will probably have more of an effect on us as it will on you.

by the laws of this nation Bush is our president. references to how he never won the first election are childish and stupid.

"I said 'There is no Justice!'
as they lead me out the door,
the Judge said- 'This ain't a court of Justice, son,
This is a Court of Law"
-Billy Bragg, Rotting on Remand.

Kerry is gay, and Bush is odd. I dont care who wins. :sniper:

"I said 'There is no Justice!'
as they lead me out the door,
the Judge said- 'This ain't a court of Justice, son,
This is a Court of Law"
-Billy Bragg, Rotting on Remand.
Justice is subjective. Law is, generally, absolute.

Those of you who from abroad that are trying (as the Guardian Newspaper is) to effect the US election should beware of the anger of the American people. We don't like being told what to do, especially by foreigners. The Guardian's attempt to sway the voters of Ohio is backfiring and will aid President Bush in his efforts there. President Bush has freed over 50 million people in two countries (Afghanistan and Iraq) and will doubtless take on Iran, Syria and North Korea in his next term of office, while the EU and UN sit with their collective thumbs up their rears. We defended Europe in 1918, again in WWII, and throughout the cold war, and you have the nerve to call us 'bullies'. As they say in rural America, "don't critisize the farmer with your mouth full".

Because America NEVER tells anyone else to do, hey?

Note Bush may be 'freeing' people in Afghanistan and Iraq, going on to Iran, Syria and North Korea, but what's he doing in Darfur? Saudi Arabia? ISrael-Palestine? The EU, UN (plus African Union etc) are doing more in those places than America. The difference- the EU doesn't want to get involved with expanionist resource wars which end in messy street fighting and encouraging terrorism.

As for 'defending us' in WWI, WWII etc- Actually, you joined in when YOU were threatened, and when we were about to be crushed by Nazi tyranny. So if Britain were to REALLY return your favour, we'd not join the war in Iraq until British soil was attacked and you were about to be crushed. That's not gonna happen is it? Special Relationship? Damn right, special because it's almost totally one-way.

Thats right....Gore only wanted to recount the counties that were largely Democrat and the Supreme Court said that they would have to recount to entire state to make it fair...in the end Bush won by 537 votes.
Bush was the first to call for any recounts.

As for apocalypse, I urge you to go to Aushwitz, Ground Zero, and Pearl Harbor. Then speak to me of apocalypse. :(

You also forgot Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors, Kaytn Forest, Nanking, etc...

I'll bet all of you people who say you're going to move to another country will end up grossly over exaggerating your reaction. Looking at it logically, the benefit of moving is vastly outweighed by numerous disadvantages such as time and money.

You can gladly prove me wrong, however, by posting pictures of yourselves in your new found country if Bush wins. Then I shall admit that I'm just a dumbass who shouldn't be posting on these boards.

Another thing, one way I know most of my 1st amendment rights have not been violated is the fact that I can still read messages where people say they want to :mp5: or :sniper: or :gundge: the current president. Also, do you see the sheer volume of anti-Bush books out on the market? Tell me that's censorship, please.

Sure, Bush is not the best president in the world. Get over it. There's a thing called VOTING that you can do if you don't like him. Get your friends to vote. Get your family to vote. Instead of sitting at your computer and whining about how much Bush is "teh suck", why not do something about it?

Okay. I'm done. Note that these are my opinions only, and I don't really care if you disagree with them. I'll accept other points of view with clear concise evidence, and I'm not stubborn in my viewpoints. Have great day!
:D

If bush does win, I will leave the country in 1.5 years(unless he does incredible, which I just dont see happening). I will be glad to post pictures of me on duty, though by then this thread will be long forgotten. Still, I will make sure to post a link on this board.

To post #163, I completely agree, and some more. With his second term, bush doesn't have to worry about re-election or popularity. He just has to worry about being actually impeached, but with that exception, he is free to do what he wants. I fear this election much more than 2000.

Bush was the first to call for any recounts.Not as I recall, but regardless, he was the only one to actually argue that a full recount would irreparably harm him. That's why he asked for an immediate injunction.

And for the people who argue that Gore was only going for votes in his own neck of the woods, you have to realize something about Florida election law. You can't ask for a statewide vote. Recounts don't work that way in Florida. You have to ask county by county--that's the rule--and there wasn't time to get the legal paperwork ready for every county, so they went for the places where they stood to make gains. If he could have asked for a statewide recount, he would have.

You are buying the Kerry spin that the draft will come back! LOL

You do realize that a bill to reinstate the draft was in congress and died horribly. Do you also realize that it was a democrat that wrote the bill to start with?



"After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain we will not have an all-volunteer army." —George W. Bush, Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004

"After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain we will not have an all-volunteer army." —George W. Bush, Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004

I think you got that quote wrong! Mind sourcing it because if he truely did say that, the dems would be all over him and so would the press and they're not!

He stated many times over that he WILL NOT RE-INSTITUTE THE DRAFT!!!!!!

I think you got that quote wrong! Mind sourcing it because if he truely did say that, the dems would be all over him and so would the press and they're not!

He stated many times over that he WILL NOT RE-INSTITUTE THE DRAFT!!!!!!
He did say it--he also corrected himself not long afterwards. There's actually clip of it on the Daily Show website, where you can hear the crowd correcting him.

He did say it--he also corrected himself not long afterwards. There's actually clip of it on the Daily Show website, where you can hear the crowd correcting him.

Indeed, its a bushism. Still, its pretty funny.

If we don't pull out of iraq, I have no doubt we will start pulling troops out of everywhere we can. I wouldn't be surprised if korea provoked us into war, just so we would have horribly split resources, and lose in one of the areas. It would be a big blow to the US.

He did say it--he also corrected himself not long afterwards. There's actually clip of it on the Daily Show website, where you can hear the crowd correcting him.

SOURCE IT!!!!!

As I said. If it was said, the press would be all over it and they are not.

I'll be hungover--but I'll be hungover regardless because I don't think I can take election night this time without getting loaded--and then maybe I'll go buy a gun, because the country's really going to get ugly then.

Don't you think it's messed up that you can vote at 18, but can't drink until you're 21? After voting is when most people need alcohol the most. ;)

SOURCE IT!!!!!

As I said. If it was said, the press would be all over it and they are not.
It was just a simple Bush flub, that's all. Happens sometimes. Like when he said Saddam meaning to say Osama. :p

Don't you think it's messed up that you can vote at 18, but can't drink until you're 21? After voting is when most people need alcohol the most.
I hear the Prohibition Party is running a presidential candidate this year? ;)

SOURCE IT!!!!!

As I said. If it was said, the press would be all over it and they are not.

Another person who wont believe anything

I gave you a source. I noted the exact place, date, etc.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041016/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_bush_draft&cid=1506&ncid=1963&sid=96378801

That enough for you?

After Bush wins, I'm going to put a "Mission Accomplished, Kerry defeated" bumper sticker on my car.

After Bush wins, I'm going to put a "Mission Accomplished, Kerry defeated" bumper sticker on my car.

So will the terrorists. :)

Another person who wont believe anything

I gave you a source. I noted the exact place, date, etc.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041016/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_bush_draft&cid=1506&ncid=1963&sid=96378801

That enough for you?

No need to be rude Chellis! Just because I asked for a source does not mean I believe it or not! It has come to my attention on these forumns that people ask for things to verify something as accurate.

I asked for such a link!

If bush does not win, I am going to assassinate Kerry and Edwards :sniper: , because they are the worst possible option for Pres/VP. I would sooner have a Libertarian or Green Party candidate in there. Kerry = n00b who says whatever will make you vote for him, and he speaks nothing but lies.

If bush does not win, I am going to assassinate Kerry and Edwards :sniper: , because they are the worst possible option for Pres/VP. I would sooner have a Libertarian or Green Party candidate in there. Kerry = n00b who says whatever will make you vote for him, and he speaks nothing but lies.

Then Dennis Hastart will be president and he's a republican.

If bush does not win, I am going to assassinate Kerry and Edwards :sniper: , because they are the worst possible option for Pres/VP. I would sooner have a Libertarian or Green Party candidate in there. Kerry = n00b who says whatever will make you vote for him, and he speaks nothing but lies.

"Last edited by Sethzor : Today at 7:14 PM. Reason: Grammer! "

:D

SOURCE IT!!!!!

As I said. If it was said, the press would be all over it and they are not.
Fine--here's video. (http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/9046.html) It's closer to the end of the clip, but you catually get to hear the audience correcting Bush, something that the transcript doesn't give you.

If bush does not win, I am going to assassinate Kerry and Edwards :sniper: , because they are the worst possible option for Pres/VP. I would sooner have a Libertarian or Green Party candidate in there. Kerry = n00b who says whatever will make you vote for him, and he speaks nothing but lies.
Is that the Secret Service I see coming up your driveway?

Is that the Secret Service I see coming up your driveway?

They are armed with a fresh batch of my scrotum-seeking attack weasels. :D

Wow, you'd take a flaming commie Green before two pussy centrist liberals? :p

Wow, you'd take a flaming commie Green before two pussy centrist liberals? :p
Well, in a perfect world, I would too.

I think that I'm going to sit down and cry if he wins.

But, the way that I see it, Bush is a chimpanzee, and Kerry's a baboon. Either way, we're getting a monkey for president. I think that we should elect a peanut for president.

I think that I'm going to sit down and cry if he wins.

But, the way that I see it, Bush is a chimpanzee, and Kerry's a baboon. Either way, we're getting a monkey for president. I think that we should elect a peanut for president.
I didn't think Perot was running this year! :confused:

Well, in a perfect world, I would too.
Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark...we're getting there. :D

I didn't think Perot was running this year! :confused:
LMFAO! :p

So will the terrorists. :)

I have been seeing a lot of shirts saying:

10 out of 10
Terrorists Agree
Anybody But
Bush!!!

And I live in a place I like to call DEMOCRAT COUNTRY.

I have been seeing a lot of shirts saying:

10 out of 10
Terrorists Agree
Anybody But
Bush!!!

And I live in a place I like to call DEMOCRAT COUNTRY.

All I'll say is if I were a terrorist leader, I'd want Bush as President again. He's done more to drum up recruitment than anyone could have hoped for.

All I'll say is if I were a terrorist leader, I'd want Bush as President again. He's done more to drum up recruitment than anyone could have hoped for.
No kidding. And it's not like Bush wasn't warned. The CIA warned him, and Hosni Mubarak, Egypt's leader, warned him. Mubarak warned him that an Iraq invaasion would alienate the Muslim world and increase recruitment for al Qaeda, and Mubarak has had a lot of experience with Islamic extremists. He knows whereof he speaks.

If Bush 'wins' the next election, what will be your reaction? Will you do anything to celebrate or commiserate? What if he steals it again?

If he wins, we're taking a trip down to the US Embassy in London to lay a wreath to American Democracy. I can really see this being the start of a slippery slope into a very dark abyss.

If Bush 'wins' I will wear all black and miserable gothic makeup to school the next day and spend the day in denial, followed by a week of panic, followed by four dark years of bitching while frightenedly hoping he doesn't somehow get the 22nd amendment repealed while in office.

If Kerry wins, on the other hand, I will wear red, white, and blue and dance about the school playground celebrating the best November since I was ten.

I think that I'm going to sit down and cry if he wins.

But, the way that I see it, Bush is a chimpanzee, and Kerry's a baboon. Either way, we're getting a monkey for president. I think that we should elect a peanut for president.

We tried that. Carter was a disaster

If Bush wins I'd...

A. Prove to my friend that a lone tank can break down the White House gates.
B. Go into the Appalacians and live as a hermit.
C. Live life the same way I've lived the past 4 years, just slightly more pissed off at Bush supporters.


A:And you would have a full 2 seconds to bask in your stupidity..
B:ok...*waves*
C:Thats a little more like it. If kerry one, I would not be mad at democrats. I would simply walk down the like and give them a "good game".

We tried that. Carter was a disaster

ROTFLMAO!!

You also forgot Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors, Kaytn Forest, Nanking, etc...

I'd have included them, but I've not been to any of those places yet...
But thanks for picking up on the sentiment. (I'd do a smily, but I'm hard pressed to do so with posts naming such places.)

A:And you would have a full 2 seconds to bask in your stupidity..
B:ok...*waves*
C:Thats a little more like it. If kerry one, I would not be mad at democrats. I would simply walk down the like and give them a "good game".

Yes, because the government keeps Javelin's and AT-4's around the white house, just in case...

All I'll say is if I were a terrorist leader, I'd want Bush as President again. He's done more to drum up recruitment than anyone could have hoped for.

Yes and he as also lowered their life expectancy too. THATS what I like about the guy. Let them join the ranks of the dead. The sooner the better.

Yes and he as also lowered their life expectancy too. THATS what I like about the guy. Let them join the ranks of the dead. The sooner the better.
I wouldn't have minded if he had stopped with Afghanistan. Hell, nearly everyone supported the invasion of that one. Shit, if Gore was president we still would have attacked Afghanistan, since all the intelligence we had pointed to AlQueda and Osama being based there, AND tied directly to the government. And if Kerry is elected, we will continue to chase them terrorists around. But I don't think we'll invade non-AlQueda-linked countries.

Yes and he as also lowered their life expectancy too. THATS what I like about the guy. Let them join the ranks of the dead. The sooner the better.
Sure he has. He lowered their life expectancy by pulling troops away from the fight against them in Afghanistan and then moving into an area where they didn't work and exist before, fucked things up there and made it easier for the terrorists to recruit not only in Iraq, but throughout the Muslim world, thus swelling the ranks of terrorists to even greater numbers. Net gain for terrorists. But you want that guy.

Sure he has. He lowered their life expectancy by pulling troops away from the fight against them in Afghanistan and then moving into an area where they didn't work and exist before, fucked things up there and made it easier for the terrorists to recruit not only in Iraq, but throughout the Muslim world, thus swelling the ranks of terrorists to even greater numbers. Net gain for terrorists. But you want that guy.

Better to fight them somewhere like Iraq than here. Kerry would pull back and they would just come here.

Better to fight them somewhere like Iraq than here. Kerry would pull back and they would just come here.
Uh huh...can you quote any statement by Kerry to the effect that we would pull back from Iraq?

And, do you honestly believe that by stirring up trouble in Iraq, any large-scale terrorist attack planned in America will suddenly be cancelled in favor of little car bombings in Iraq? If there was a terrorist cell in America, plotting right now to do a nerve gas attack in a subway for instance, you are telling me that by attacking Iraq we have made us safer?

Better to fight them somewhere like Iraq than here. Kerry would pull back and they would just come here.
Better still to fight them where they were (Afghanistan) instead of going where they weren't (Iraq) and pissing off the average Joe in the region in the meantime. How can you not see that Bush is the most incompetent President of the last hundred years?

Remember, ban any gun, and the criminals will be the only ones to have them. Isn't that right England? :)

I'm amazed to find out you can get guns easily in Wales and Scotland (we'll leave Northern Ireland out of this). It's called the UK for a reason.

Actually the main problem we are having at the moment is with criminals having fake ones. What would you prefer to be hit with: a small polysterine ball or a slug of hot lead?

You might also want to look at the figures of gun related death per capita.

Americans that favour allowing everyone to have guns, also seem to be the ones who supported America going to war against countries that tried to make wepons of mass destruction. Surely, by an extension of your logic if every country in the world had them we'd all be safer.

I'm amazed to find out you can get guns easily in Wales and Scotland (we'll leave Northern Ireland out of this). It's called the UK for a reason.

Actually the main problem we are having at the moment is with criminals having fake ones. What would you prefer to be hit with: a small polysterine ball or a slug of hot lead?

You might also want to look at the figures of gun related death per capita.

Americans that favour allowing everyone to have guns, also seem to be the ones who supported America going to war against countries that tried to make wepons of mass destruction. Surely, by an extension of your logic if every country in the world had them we'd all be safer.

Good point, well made.

Better still to fight them where they were (Afghanistan) instead of going where they weren't (Iraq) and pissing off the average Joe in the region in the meantime. How can you not see that Bush is the most incompetent President of the last hundred years?

Not ALL of them were in Afganistan. As we have seen in the recent elections, even the Taliban was unable to disrupt them. Afganistan is in better shape than some would have us believe. yes, there are problems, but every country has problems.

Iraq will come along and if some more morons want to go there to die, al the better.