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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6282532/
MADRID, Spain - The suspected leader of a militant Muslim cell plotted to deal Spain the “biggest blow of its history” — a suicide truck bomb laden with half a ton of explosives aimed at killing the country’s top judges investigating Islamic terror and destroying their case files, officials said Wednesday.

Police said they had intercepted hundreds of letters from suspected cell members in which they said they were willing to stage suicide attacks.

The plot to blow up the National Court, Spain’s nerve center for investigating Islamic terror, was detailed in a report from the National Police intelligence unit obtained by the Associated Press. The report quotes a protected witness who had been in contact with the suspected ringleader Mohamed Achraf, an Algerian born in the United Arab Emirates.

Spain said Achraf was recently arrested in Switzerland. Switzerland confirmed Wednesday he is in custody there for entering the country illegally and said deportation proceedings were pending when his alleged link to the plot surfaced.

Anti-terror judge to seek extradition

Spain’s leading anti-terrorism magistrate, Judge Baltasar Garzon, is preparing to send the Swiss authorities a warrant spelling out specific charges against Achraf, setting the stage for Spain’s government to request his extradition, sources at Spain’s National Court said.

Achraf is the suspected leader of a Muslim terrorist cell that plotted to detonate a truck packed with 1,100 pounds of compressed dynamite outside the National Court, located on a bustling avenue in downtown Madrid, according to the report.
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Mind telling me when was the last time an Iraqi attacked US soil? I'll wait.

Mind telling me when was the last time an Iraqi attacked US soil? I'll wait.
What does that have to do with Spain?

Mind telling me when was the last time an Iraqi attacked US soil? I'll wait.

I didn't know Iraqi's hated our soil?

I didn't know Iraqi's hated our soil?
Yeah, they bite at the heel out of soles. They pee on the ground out of spite :)

What does that have to do with Spain?What does your article have to do with Iraq? You titled the thread, after all.

Doh! Took me a second to see what you meant by the article. Sorry. But you are being disingenuous to say that the Spanish thought they'd get a pass from terrorism if they pulled out of Iraq. The new government was campaigning on pulling out long before the Madrid bombing, and the people in the country favored pulling out oong before as well.

What does your article have to do with Iraq? You titled the thread, after all.
Don't you remember all the people linking Iraq to the attacks on Spain right before the election, and people saying that if they pulled out of Iraq they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff anymore?

Don't you remember all the people linking Iraq to the attacks on Spain right before the election, and people saying that if they pulled out of Iraq they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff anymore?
Actually the attacks meant nothing.
The majority people never wanted to go to Iraq. So they voted for the leaders who they hoped would pull them out. Its called democracy. When the Leaders stop listening to the majority then there is a problem.

That might have been a fear but still the pull out had more to do with bad leaders than anything else.

Don't you remember all the people linking Iraq to the attacks on Spain right before the election, and people saying that if they pulled out of Iraq they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff anymore?
Nothing abiout Al-Q.

Also the target wasn't a random public place.

Actually the attacks meant nothing.
The majority people never wanted to go to Iraq. So they voted for the leaders who they hoped would pull them out. Its called democracy. When the Leaders stop listening to the majority then there is a problem.

That might have been a fear but still the pull out had more to do with bad leaders than anything else.
No, before the attacks the Pro-Iraq party was leading in the polls.

Also the target wasn't a random public place.
The attack wasn't intended to be limited to only the court, either. When you pack over a thousand pounds of dynamite and detonate it on a "bustling avenue in downtown Madrid"...

Don't you remember all the people linking Iraq to the attacks on Spain right before the election, and people saying that if they pulled out of Iraq they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff anymore?
Well, whichever people said that were morons, plain and simple. I certainly never believed that.

Well, whichever people said that were morons, plain and simple. I certainly never believed that.
You didn't and most Spanish probably didn't, either. This post was to those who did. Since these things were posted before the server change, I don't think its possible to access the old posts, but...

Wait, am I missing something here, or is the general theme "people should not vote for their leaders!"

Because...uh...yeah, thats what happened.

Well, the Romans were anticipating the defeat of the gothic-moors! So italia doesn't care and we should carve a province in what we guard in iraq for america.

Mind telling me when was the last time an Iraqi attacked US soil? I'll wait.

They attacked us at 9/11/2001!!!1 Are you trying to spread outrageous conspiracy theories and rewrite history?!? You're siding with the terrorists and that must not be tolerated!

so what your saying is staying in iraq is preventing them islamic terrorists from attacking us?

or are you saying if we pull out and have funds and dfense persons to place in defense areas, the islamic terrorists will attack us more?

Actually the attacks meant nothing.
The majority people never wanted to go to Iraq. So they voted for the leaders who they hoped would pull them out. Its called democracy. When the Leaders stop listening to the majority then there is a problem.

That might have been a fear but still the pull out had more to do with bad leaders than anything else.

Actually before the attacks took place Aznar (that'd be the guy who didn't want to pull out) was comfortably ahead in the polls, in spite of his stance on Iraq.

Actually before the attacks took place Aznar (that'd be the guy who didn't want to pull out) was comfortably ahead in the polls, in spite of his stance on Iraq.First off, Aznar wasn't running--his hand-picked successor was. But comfortably ahead? Most polls I read about had the race within the margin of error.

They attacked us at 9/11/2001!!!1 Are you trying to spread outrageous conspiracy theories and rewrite history?!? You're siding with the terrorists and that must not be tolerated!
Ugh. Are you for real or are you just an attention whore trying to stir up shit?

the point is that you cant appease terrorists.
you cant "give in".
you cant even SEEM to give in.
"winning" enboldens them.
now that we are STUCK in iraq, we can't just cut and run. we have to stay to the end. we can't seem to be weak or indecisive. our only choice is to fix what we broke and try to leave iraq better off than when we invaded.

it sucks but thats what george bush has gotten us into. there is no easy way out.

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