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Is just a whimps way out of stating the truth!!!!!

Is just a whimps way out of stating the truth!!!!!

No.

politicval correctness is bullshit period

take your correctness and stick it somewhere

thank you.

Is just a whimps way out of stating the truth!!!!!
Like saying that this post was a complete and utter waste of bandwidth.

Like saying that this post was a complete and utter waste of bandwidth.

Actually it' is here to be brought out in the open!!!!!

I'm pretty sure the Constitution does not include the Right Not to be Offended. Political Correctness is a subtle form of censorship. "She's not retarded, she's developmentally challenged" or "it's not Christmas break, it's Winter break." Please. How about this? Fuck you, she's retarded and I'm off for Christmas because that is when Jesus was born.

I happen to agree that a lit of PC is totally bs

Now don’t get me wrong there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between being PC and being CIVIL

PC is more what you say

Civility really has to deal with where you say things … there is a time and place and being nice … you can say angry things in a PC way and still not be civil


I say this is words are words … and connotations can be applied to any word or group of words.

I know I am probably not explaining this clearly … let me try.

For example the word retard

Back in the day it was a word to refer to a person with a certain condition, (regardless of emotional connotation nowa days) because of the condition it became a derogatory term and was stopped being applied to the condition because the connotation was too harsh … we wanted to be “nice”

So they changed the term to “Special”
But the condition was still there so the connotation has been changed to something derogatory …
Now if you are in the “special math league” at school (a term which has sense been changed to advanced) you get made fun of even though it really is an AP league.

Ok so the conclusion of my rant
PC is defining “Nice” terms who’s connotations will just change over time … like running on a hamster wheel … you will have to change words every few years just to stay PC

Where as if people were just civil (Saying things non derogatory and in their proper place in time) this would not be an issue.

Christmas because that is when Jesus was born

But it isn't is it.

I'm pretty sure the Constitution does not include the Right Not to be Offended. Political Correctness is a subtle form of censorship. "She's not retarded, she's developmentally challenged" or "it's not Christmas break, it's Winter break." Please. How about this? Fuck you, she's retarded and I'm off for Christmas because that is when Jesus was born.

Uh huh. Do you happen to have a retarded sibling?

Didn't think so.


and LMAO @ the Jesus born thing :p

But it isn't is it.


You are correct … just an arbitrary day because no one knew when the real one was lol
Or if there was a real Jesus for that matter lol … maybe he was just a metaphor

Being politically correct is just common respect towards your fellow human being. at the risk of sounding idealistic, if we replaced hatred, ignorance, and intolerance with a good dose of respect and political correctness, we'd live in a lot safer and better world. Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve.

Being politically correct is just common respect towards your fellow human being. at the risk of sounding idealistic, if we replaced hatred, ignorance, and intolerance with a good dose of respect and political correctness, we'd live in a lot safer and better world. Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve.

Alleluijah!

Being politically correct is just common respect towards your fellow human being. at the risk of sounding idealistic, if we replaced hatred, ignorance, and intolerance with a good dose of respect and political correctness, we'd live in a lot safer and better world. Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve.
i dont think you know what political correctness entails

I think it's died down a bit (at least in Britain). There was a while when it was rampant in the mid-to-late 90's, but now it's mainly practised by politicians. The only time you tend to come across it is when filling out forms.

Nowadays you can say anything, as long as your being "ironic."

Uh huh. Do you happen to have a retarded sibling?

Didn't think so.


and LMAO @ the Jesus born thing :p

Do you? And if you do, do you refer to that sibling as being "retarded" as you just did. As for Christ, it's not known exactly when He was born but it's believed it was in December or January. Either way, it has always been known as Christmas Break, not winter break until whiney ass atheists and what-have-yous started to cry about it.

I'm pretty sure the Constitution does not include the Right Not to be Offended. Political Correctness is a subtle form of censorship. "She's not retarded, she's developmentally challenged" or "it's not Christmas break, it's Winter break." Please. How about this? Fuck you, she's retarded and I'm off for Christmas because that is when Jesus was born.

And you're not a feminine hygine product, you're a douche.

"Being politically correct is just common respect towards your fellow human being. at the risk of sounding idealistic, if we replaced hatred, ignorance, and intolerance with a good dose of respect and political correctness, we'd live in a lot safer and better world. Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve." by Arturistania

PC is for people who think that pretty words will change something, get your head out of the sand and do something rather than just talking about it.

I know perfectly well what politically correct entails, I would be stupid for me to be a proponent of political correctness if I didnt know what it was. Political correctness means showing an effort to change injustices against people because of ethnicity, colour, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc and avoids using language which could be considered offensive to anyone, particularly when referring to issues of ethnicity or gender. In other words as I said earlier, respect for our fellow human beings.

As for Christ, it's not known exactly when He was born but it's believed it was in December or January.

No it isn't. It was placed at December 25 for the express purpose of replacing a pagan holiday celebrated as the birth of Mithras the sun god that was popular with the soldiers. It has absolutly nothing to do with when people think Christ was born. The best guess anyone has about his birthday is that it was sometime in the first century. They know more about when the Hellenistic philosophers were born.

and Leppi, you can do something tomake change and be politically correct, I fall intothat catergory. I am in social justice organizations and try as hard as possible to ensure I'm politically correct.

And you're not a feminine hygine product, you're a douche.

Very clever. Unfortunately, name calling isn't a very effective way to make a point. That is, of course, if you have one. But you're right, I am a douche (I prefer Douche Bag, though).

Do you? And if you do, do you refer to that sibling as being "retarded" as you just did. As for Christ, it's not known exactly when He was born but it's believed it was in December or January. Either way, it has always been known as Christmas Break, not winter break until whiney ass atheists and what-have-yous started to cry about it.

There's more to this than just being PC. It's about sensibilities. Would you call a black man "******" to his face? Why not, it's just political correctness that stops you. But there's white and black people I know who call each other nigga and cracka humorously. It's all in context.

About winter break...it's not just atheists. It's also Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus and any other religion or spirituality you can think of. You wouldn't like having to celebrate Yom Kippur would you? Think man, 1st Amendment, separation of church of and state, protection of the minorities from the majority...you get it right?

No it isn't. It was placed at December 25 for the express purpose of replacing a pagan holiday celebrated as the birth of Mithras the sun god that was popular with the soldiers. It has absolutly nothing to do with when people think Christ was born. The best guess anyone has about his birthday is that it was sometime in the first century. They know more about when the Hellenistic philosophers were born.

I have heard that theory before. But I also heard that the Star of Bethlehem was a supernova that occurred around the first century and in December and January it was recorded to be at its brightest. Then again, I heard no such astronmical event did occur at that time. Either way, I'm a Christian so, I say Happy Birthday to Jesus on December 25th.

Politically correct:

Political: I.E. Hide the truth:

Correct: tell a lie.

PC is simply a way of saying something that is true without offending someone. I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it.

As an atheist, I must say that I don't care what they call the Christmas period. It's mainly a capitalist holiday nowdays.

Also, I wouldn't censor racists etc. Let everyone know that there an idiot. that way, sensible folk can annoy them. Anyone swayed by a white supremacists arguments is probably going to end up perishing in a highly amusing manner anyway.

"Politically correct:

Political: I.E. Hide the truth:

Correct: tell a lie.

PC is simply a way of saying something that is true without offending someone. I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it."

Thats a really sorry excuse for being either lazy, uncompassionate, or indifferent to actually care about giving people the respect and dignity they deserve.

Politically correct:

Political: I.E. Hide the truth:

Correct: tell a lie.

PC is simply a way of saying something that is true without offending someone. I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it.

I agree! Since you are an inbred, racist hillbilly, why should we try to clean up that truth with nice words: gentically damaged, pigmently adverse, socially disadvantaged?

No, I don't actually think that about you, but despite the fact that the whole PC thing gets taken WAY to far sometimes, I DO think it has done some good, in that it has made it socially unacceptable to say hurtful things. If it at least makes you think about things before you say them, then I think it's great. Don't go calling man-hole covers people-hole covers...I mean...they both just sound gross, but come on! Don't worry about the ridiculous PC, because most sensible people are not going to let that mindset take over. I for one am glad people in government don't go around calling me an "red injun" anymore!

"PC is for people who think that pretty words will change something, get your head out of the sand and do something rather than just talking about it.

Er, advocating political correctness IS doing something. It's an attempt to replace words with derogatory connotations with neutral inoffensive words. Surely this is doing something to help the discrimination problem? It's actually one of the most fundamental and important methods of stopping discrimination, because the theory states that children educated with PC textbooks will not actually think about being discriminatory at all, because the language they learn won't be tarred with derogatory, negative or exclusive connotations. Of course this will only work practically if everything else around them is PC too, and it isn't. So they will pick up connotations from somewhere. But at least over the generations it may have a small effect.

It does assume one thing though - that the language you learn and use can subconsiously affect the way you think about things. For example saying "fireman" rather than "firefighter" can cause you to have subconsious assumptions that only men are firefighters. I know this may sound a bit far-fetched, but it's surprising how many people actually think this way...even though they would say that "of course there are female firefighters", they may have a subconsious predisposition to assuming that there are only males, and this may become apparent through their actions in various spheres of life.

I probably didn't explain that very well. Basically the connotations of words we use affect the way we subconsciously think about things, so if we can change these words to neutral words, then there won't be subconsions bias in our thoughts.

well said cigalle

Being politically correct is just common respect towards your fellow human being. at the risk of sounding idealistic, if we replaced hatred, ignorance, and intolerance with a good dose of respect and political correctness, we'd live in a lot safer and better world. Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve.
I beg to differ. As Upward Thrust has pointed out, PC is more about censorship. On the other hand, civil discourse (CD if you will accept the term) is about social awareness. Neither replaces actual compassion and consideration for an individual or group which varies from the norm.

No matter what it's initial intention was, PC has become a virtually militant elitist injunction against simple good manners and perceived common sense. In the court of popular opinion it has generated a backlash that has achieved the polar opposite effect.

Fuck you, she's retarded and I'm off for Christmas because that is when Jesus was born.

Jesus would be very proud.

congratulations.
:headbang:

Do you? And if you do, do you refer to that sibling as being "retarded" as you just did. As for Christ, it's not known exactly when He was born but it's believed it was in December or January. Either way, it has always been known as Christmas Break, not winter break until whiney ass atheists and what-have-yous started to cry about it.
Some people will believe anything. It has nothing to do with atheists attacking your cherished beliefs. Get the facts. Check this out. (http://www.earthsky.com/kids/articles.php?id=8&p=1)

The practice of celebrating at mid-winter is very old indeed. Even during prehistoric times, people celebrated a festival that coincided with the winter solstice. They lit fires and made ritual offerings. At the height of the Roman Empire, the festival of Saturnalia -- held in December -- was a time of feasts, gambling, dancing and singing. Mid-winter feasting, drinking and religious rituals were also celebrated by Germanic tribes of Northern Europe.

So it was perfectly natural for the Christian Church of the 4th century -- as it rose in importance -- to adopt its own mid-winter celebration. There was no historical or biblical basis for celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ at that time of the year, but to Pope Julius I, the 25th of December seemed an appropriate time to do so. He wanted to include a Christian element in the long-established mid-winter festivals. As a result, Christmas today is a mix of both pagan ritual and Christian celebration of Christ's birth.

The real St. Nicholas lived in Turkey, long before Dutch children thought to leave out their shoes for him. St. Nicholas was the bishop of Myra in southwestern Turkey during the early 4th century. Little is known about him, but he is remembered for good deeds and miracles involving children and sailors. St. Nicholas is illustrated in several medieval and renaissance paintings, stain-glass windows and carvings as a tall, dignified and severe man. He definitely wasn't the jovial father-figure in our modern Santa Claus mythology!

By the 6th century, Saint Nicholas was well-established as patron saint of children, unmarried girls and sailors in Roman and Orthodox churches. His feast day on December 6 was celebrated as a holiday in Europe. Eventually, his feast day moved to December 25th, a day established by Pope Julius I during the 4th century to celebrate the birth of Christ.

During the Reformation (16th century), when Catholic ways were being challenged in Protestant countries, the popularity of Saint Nicholas and his association with Christmas waned. But for some reason, he continued to be revered in Protestant Holland, where he was known as Sinter Klaas. Today he has become one of the central characters in the

and Leppi, you can do something tomake change and be politically correct, I fall intothat catergory. I am in social justice organizations and try as hard as possible to ensure I'm politically correct.
WTF
I'll bet you do.

"Politically correct:

Political: I.E. Hide the truth:

Correct: tell a lie.

PC is simply a way of saying something that is true without offending someone. I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it."

Thats a really sorry excuse for being either lazy, uncompassionate, or indifferent to actually care about giving people the respect and dignity they deserve.
. . . but you do by calling them children. You are still acting fraudulently and in a hypocritically, cadish manner. I'll give you this, you are consistent.

Politically correct:

Political: I.E. Hide the truth:

Correct: tell a lie.

PC is simply a way of saying something that is true without offending someone. I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it.


If we keep sheltering everyone from everything that offends them then they will grow up to be whiny liberal hippy crybabies. Hiding it behind PC is not dealing with it. In fact I try to be as politically incorrect as I can and I am proud of that fact, plus I dont care what those of you who are PC have to say about it. Yes I am a bastard and I think its cool.


P.S. Im not flaming the guy I quoted, I am agreeing

Being politically correct is just common respect towards your fellow human being. at the risk of sounding idealistic, if we replaced hatred, ignorance, and intolerance with a good dose of respect and political correctness, we'd live in a lot safer and better world. Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve.

what?...
political correctness is crap..it is just an accepted form of labeling ..it still labeling... it is censorship..no matter how you say gay,retarded, or midget..
you are still saying the same thing

If we keep sheltering everyone from everything that offends them then they will grow up to be whiny liberal hippy crybabies. Hiding it behind PC is not dealing with it. In fact I try to be as politically incorrect as I can and I am proud of that fact, plus I dont care what those of you who are PC have to say about it. Yes I am a bastard and I think its cool.

Good for you. Maybe one day you'll offend the wrong person and get your ass kicked.

"Good for you. Maybe one day you'll offend the wrong person and get your ass kicked."

We can but hope....

Er, advocating political correctness IS doing something. It's an attempt to replace words with derogatory connotations with neutral inoffensive words. Surely this is doing something to help the discrimination problem? It's actually one of the most fundamental and important methods of stopping discrimination, because the theory states that children educated with PC textbooks will not actually think about being discriminatory at all, because the language they learn won't be tarred with derogatory, negative or exclusive connotations. Of course this will only work practically if everything else around them is PC too, and it isn't. So they will pick up connotations from somewhere. But at least over the generations it may have a small effect.

It does assume one thing though - that the language you learn and use can subconsiously affect the way you think about things. For example saying "fireman" rather than "firefighter" can cause you to have subconsious assumptions that only men are firefighters. I know this may sound a bit far-fetched, but it's surprising how many people actually think this way...even though they would say that "of course there are female firefighters", they may have a subconsious predisposition to assuming that there are only males, and this may become apparent through their actions in various spheres of life.

I probably didn't explain that very well. Basically the connotations of words we use affect the way we subconsciously think about things, so if we can change these words to neutral words, then there won't be subconsions bias in our thoughts.

When I say the word firefighter I would daresay that in most children they picture a man in turnout gear.

When I say the word workmanship that is not the case. However the PC proponents I have been around are so extreme that they take a narrowly dim view of what they perceive to be an "insensitivity" and a "chauvanistic male preferrential biased" expression.

PC would have had a better survival rate if it hadn't become so extremely agenda driven and blind to what are apparent realities to most people when it comes to culturally diversities. By trying to put a smiley face on everything, no matter how grim it might be, it became the joke it is.

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It does assume one thing though - that the language you learn and use can subconsiously affect the way you think about things. For example saying "fireman" rather than "firefighter" can cause you to have subconsious assumptions that only men are firefighters. I know this may sound a bit far-fetched, but it's surprising how many people actually think this way...even though they would say that "of course there are female firefighters", they may have a subconsious predisposition to assuming that there are only males, and this may become apparent through their actions in various spheres of life.

I probably didn't explain that very well. Basically the connotations of words we use affect the way we subconsciously think about things, so if we can change these words to neutral words, then there won't be subconsions bias in our thoughts.

But what happens when the connotation of the replaced word changes over time? It is not the word that created the connotation it is the condition

Look at my example of retarded changing to special … now special is being changed to mentally disabled (because the word handicapped has been replaced with disabled)

Oh wait are we supposed to be on that new “specially abled “ because they arnt disabled that is to derogatory

Don’t get me wrong I just think the name changing thing is silly … if you treat your fellow humans correctly it wouldn’t matter what word you used. I think that is the INTENT of PC it just like so many things has been changed into a series of name changes that do anything but actually help how the individual is treated

But what happens when the connotation of the replaced word changes over time? It is not the word that created the connotation it is the condition

Look at my example of retarded changing to special … now special is being changed to mentally disabled (because the word handicapped has been replaced with disabled)

Oh wait are we supposed to be on that new “specially abled “ because they arnt disabled that is to derogatory

Don’t get me wrong I just think the name changing thing is silly … if you treat your fellow humans correctly it wouldn’t matter what word you used. I think that is the INTENT of PC it just like so many things has been changed into a series of name changes that do anything but actually help how the individual is treated

Well said. The term 'retarded' referred to the developmental result. "Idiot" referred to a specific class of mental capacity. "Mongoloid" referred to an appearance that was common in that group affected by Down's Syndrome. What changed these accepted scientific terms to derrogatory terms?

The cumbersome "specially abled" has been shortened to "special". You know what is a popular joke among the 9-13 set? "Yo' mama told you you're special because you ride the little bus." No adult told them this. No text book told them this. Their developing identities along the myraid considerations that go into the occasionally sociopathic tween mind told them this.

Has anyone else noticed that most of the posters here advocating political correctness are posting polite, well thought out responses, while those condemning it are being deliberately offensive and condescending? These are maybe the same people who can't feel good about themselves unless they are elevating themselves by putting down others.

Political correctness at times has been taken too far, as when it starts to obscure facts or messages, but in general it is a good thing. It really is just about respect. Don't use deliberatley derogatory terms if you expect people to treat you with respect. If you are describing people in terms with negative connotations attached to them, other people will not be inclined to treat with you. Don't call gays "faggots". Don't call blacks "niggers". In short, don't be an ass. If you don't like political correctness, don't use it. See how far you get.

Has anyone else noticed that most of the posters here advocating political correctness are posting polite, well thought out responses, while those condemning it are being deliberately offensive and condescending? These are maybe the same people who can't feel good about themselves unless they are elevating themselves by putting down others.

Political correctness at times has been taken too far, as when it starts to obscure facts or messages, but in general it is a good thing. It really is just about respect. Don't use deliberatley derogatory terms if you expect people to treat you with respect. If you are describing people in terms with negative connotations attached to them, other people will not be inclined to treat with you. Don't call gays "faggots". Don't call blacks "niggers". In short, don't be an ass. If you don't like political correctness, don't use it. See how far you get.
Where have you seen the majority of anti-PC posters suggest inflammatory words or names are acceptable? What about the hypocricisy of a proponent of PC going on about respect and in the next breath call posters who disagree children?

Self righteousness and hypocrisy do not make the case. Effectiveness does. By threatening social isolation you do not change root causes. You are just burying your head in the sand with a petulant, 'we are right and they are wrong' attitude.

Is just a whimps way out of stating the truth!!!!!
Not WHIMPS - The correct term is 'Assertivness Challenged"

Screw being PC.

I mean, don't use racial slurs left and right, but being PC doesn't help either

Where have you seen the majority of anti-PC posters suggest inflammatory words or names are acceptable? What about the hypocricisy of a proponent of PC going on about respect and in the next breath call posters who disagree children?

If the proponent of political correctness you are talking about is this one:
"I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it."
then I think you misinterpreted the post.
It does send a mixed message, but I do believe he or she was calling proponents of PC children, not those who oppose it. It seems they were implying that those who advocate being PC can't deal with truth or reality.

The inflamatory terms being used in this thread generally have to do with "whiny athiest liberal hippies". That is disrespectful and unnecessary.
I haven't seen anti-PC posters suggest that inflammatory words or names are acceptable, I've just seen them use them.

The inflamatory terms being used in this thread generally have to do with "whiny athiest liberal hippies". That is disrespectful and unnecessary.
I haven't seen anti-PC posters suggest that inflammatory words or names are acceptable, I've just seen them use them.

So… Joyfully challenged, non-religius, allowance-plus, community-minded persons?
Wow.

There is a great difference, as someone a long time back here said, between civility and PC. Civility is simply being good to people and treating them equally (as I hope I try to). PC is trying to cover every eventuality of offence, often which will never come about, with stupid labels. I don't do that. I have never had foreigners (whoops!) complain about me.

I love how people despise the whole politically correct thing, when all it requires is that you be more careful about what you say. Doesn't seem like to big of an inconvenience.

I think the new American Way is "Other people don't matter".

Is just a whimps way out of stating the truth!!!!!
True. I must elaborate. It seems that political correctness has become associated with liberals. Most liberals don't adhere to PC. As someone said, it's a subtle form of censorship, and that is very un-liberal.

Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve.
Civility and Political correctness are two diffrent things.

Being 'PC' you have to watch what you say and other people are watching what you are saying also !! Whats happened to common sense eh?? :confused:

Civility and political correctness may be separate concepts, but they are related.

political correctness:
n : avoidance of expressions or actions that can be perceived to exclude or marginalize or insult people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

Now tell me, what's bad about that? I agree, it can be taken too far, but most extremes are unpleasant. All things in moderation.

I agree that that common sense must prevail, and that the level to which PC is being taken can be extreme, but the outright rejection people make to it is rediculous. There is no difference between "physically challenged" and "crippled" except for the connotation, and the connotation only matters to the person who may be hurt by it, so at least take the millisecond to not be an asshole.

Political correctness is an insult thrown at people when you can't have a rational argument as to why you're not sensitive to other peoples feelings, you insensitive bastards.

So… Joyfully challenged, non-religius, allowance-plus, community-minded persons?

The point wasn't that you shouldn't use the terms athiest, liberal, hippies, or whiny. They are all legitimate and non derogatory terms. The point is that they were generalizing. Suggesting that anyone who opposed them was a "whiner", as are all liberals, athiests, and hippies. That is what I was objecting to, not the use of the individual terms.

An aspect of political correctness that nobody seems to have touched upon is the misuse of terms in derogatory contexts.
Such as saying something bad is "gay", or someone of normal intelligence who acted in a percievedly stupid way is a "retard". Or the use of "faggot" as an insult to straight people.
Does anyone here think that that is okay?

The point is that I'm not really offended by derogatory words against anyone. Me and my friends use derogatory words to describe each other the whole time. Indeed, a lot of progress can be made by minorities by reclaiming words (i.e ******, queer or dyke). However, when I'm around other people I realise that some people aren't comfortable with words like that, and they may fine them offensive, demeaning or insulting. It doesn't take much for me to censor my language, and it means they will a) left unhurt by our conversation, b) be left with a better impression of me as a sensitive human being and c) more likely to listen to genuine points or arguments I may have. It doesn't take much to have a little compassion for others feelings.

If the proponent of political correctness you are talking about is this one:
"I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it."
then I think you misinterpreted the post.
It does send a mixed message, but I do believe he or she was calling proponents of PC children, not those who oppose it. It seems they were implying that those who advocate being PC can't deal with truth or reality.

The inflamatory terms being used in this thread generally have to do with "whiny athiest liberal hippies". That is disrespectful and unnecessary.
I haven't seen anti-PC posters suggest that inflammatory words or names are acceptable, I've just seen them use them.
I went back for a look and you are correct. I take it back. His removal of the generally accepted form of quoting caused me to confuse him with another although he has used an inappropriate and condescending tone before. Perhaps it is because he is forum challenged when it comes to quotes.

Moving on, PC proponents have become their own worst enemies in that they take it all too far. I am not opposed to reviewing and, where appropriate, changing language. I am not in favor of intentional cruelity for it's own sake. I also am against unnecessary generalizations as they obscure the facts behind a smokescreen of personal bias toward a particular viewpoint.

I love how people despise the whole politically correct thing, when all it requires is that you be more careful about what you say. Doesn't seem like to big of an inconvenience.

I think the new American Way is "Other people don't matter".
That is an oversimplification and you should know it. Politically Correct is an elitist kidnapping of language telling people what they must say at the risk of offending the PC proponents. I know five people who are wheelchair bound, one fellow is a quadripalegic. None of them care for PC and consider it artificial. In short, it offends them. I have a nephew who was born with dwarfism. You call him challenged in any way and he will be highly offended, yet he refers to his condition as dwarfism.

You see, the point is while people are affected, some afflicted, with conditions that range outside the norm they are less concerned with what you call the condition (within reason) and more concerned with you seeing them as their condition.

Someone may be crippled but they are more than a cripple. Calling them mobility challenged is not helping and in fact is missing the point entirely. Do you understand?

Civility and political correctness may be separate concepts, but they are related.

political correctness:
n : avoidance of expressions or actions that can be perceived to exclude or marginalize or insult people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

Now tell me, what's bad about that? I agree, it can be taken too far, but most extremes are unpleasant. All things in moderation.
A healthy sex life and nymphomania are related in that they both relate to sexual activity but . . .

for the rest see above

The point wasn't that you shouldn't use the terms athiest, liberal, hippies, or whiny. They are all legitimate and non derogatory terms. The point is that they were generalizing. Suggesting that anyone who opposed them was a "whiner", as are all liberals, athiests, and hippies. That is what I was objecting to, not the use of the individual terms.

An aspect of political correctness that nobody seems to have touched upon is the misuse of terms in derogatory contexts.
Such as saying something bad is "gay", or someone of normal intelligence who acted in a percievedly stupid way is a "retard". Or the use of "faggot" as an insult to straight people.
Does anyone here think that that is okay?
What does that have to do with a defense of PC? You have just made my point. To use the PC term 'gay' in that manner is equivalent to using the term 'fag'. You have changed the exterior without affecting the interior. By changing the terms used you do not change perceptions.

In short, when someone has an abundance of stored lipids and behaves in a callous, mean and insensitive way can they not be fairly called a fat bastard?

Being Politically Correct is the biggest piece of bull that exsists in engllish speech. If someone is retarded you can call the retarded.

A friend of mine does have a brother who is retarded and he only refers to him as retarded. It's not offensive in the slightest

If something is offensive to you ignore it. Plain and simple.

That is an oversimplification and you should know it. Politically Correct is an elitist kidnapping of language telling people what they must say at the risk of offending the PC proponents. I know five people who are wheelchair bound, one fellow is a quadripalegic. None of them care for PC and consider it artificial. In short, it offends them. I have a nephew who was born with dwarfism. You call him challenged in any way and he will be highly offended, yet he refers to his condition as dwarfism.

You see, the point is while people are affected, some afflicted, with conditions that range outside the norm they are less concerned with what you call the condition (within reason) and more concerned with you seeing them as their condition.

Someone may be crippled but they are more than a cripple. Calling them mobility challenged is not helping and in fact is missing the point entirely. Do you understand?

I do know that my statement was an oversimplification, it would be very hard to discuss all of the points applicable to this topic. However, it is your statement that simplifies the argument. I respect your opinion, and feel that you are in the correct state of mind.

However, your oversimplification comes when you say that PC tries to control the words used. It does not pertain to the words used directly, but to the connotation of the word. Someone who is in a wheelchair may take offense at the use of word cripple because it has the connotation of being helpless, while the individual is far from it.

I agree that being called "mobility challenged" could be a little patronizing, and I personally don't see a need for that to be used.

I really don't see where the argument is here. Political correctness, as in, pussy-footing around the issues and not addressing them is bad, and political correctness, as in, civility with regards to sensitive issues, is good.
Most of the disagreements I see here seem to stem from a difference of opinion over the meaning of political correctness.

On a side note, has anyone noticed how no one wants to say that another person 'lied' in this political campaign? Kerry wouldn't even mention it in the debate when asked whether Bush lied about the Iraq war and Bush will not call Kerry on his claims about Vietnam.

Being politically correct is just common respect towards your fellow human being. at the risk of sounding idealistic, if we replaced hatred, ignorance, and intolerance with a good dose of respect and political correctness, we'd live in a lot safer and better world. Being politically correct is simply giving all people the respect and dignity they deserve.
Would that it were so. Political correctness, as an institution, serves precisely the opposite function- denying people the individuality they deserve by forcing stilted terminology on them. Terms that one person finds offensive and wishes not used in their presence might not bother another person at all. Rather than running the risk, the PC movement would have us avoid anything controversial at all. It sends the message "You're not worth getting to know enough to see what offends you", not "I care what you think". We need more respect, to be sure, but political correctness is at the opposite end of the spectrum.

No it isn't. It was placed at December 25 for the express purpose of replacing a pagan holiday celebrated as the birth of Mithras the sun god that was popular with the soldiers. It has absolutly nothing to do with when people think Christ was born. The best guess anyone has about his birthday is that it was sometime in the first century. They know more about when the Hellenistic philosophers were born.
It was timed on the solstice, the day the pagans celebrated the Feast of Saturnalius. Christ was most likely born in the first decade AD, in the summer months. Shephards don't keep watch over their flocks by night in the winter in the desert.

Originally Posted by Arturistania
"Politically correct:

Political: I.E. Hide the truth:

Correct: tell a lie.

PC is simply a way of saying something that is true without offending someone. I hate to tell you children this but the truth and reality are sometimes offensive. Grow up and deal with it." [This stuff in quotation marks was me quoting someone, I would not and definitely did not make these comments. i dont know how to do the quote thingy on here.]

[My commentary in response to those remarks made by someone else. Follow the thread and you will see. Maybe then youll realize your reflection on me is false, inaccurate, and a tad offensive.] "Thats a really sorry excuse for being either lazy, uncompassionate, or indifferent to actually care about giving people the respect and dignity they deserve."

let me be very very clear...that post you showed of me saying ppl to grow up, wasnt said by me...I was quoting someone above me and giving a response. I dont know how to do the fancy quote thing on here. I am not hypocritical nor did i utter those remarks in quotation marks.

Slap Happy, until you know me, you really can't question the integrity of things I say about myself. What I said about political correctness and social activism is true and until you can back up your claims I strongly recommend that you not assess someone's guilt on an incomplete and partially judgemental image you create in your mind.

It was timed on the solstice, the day the pagans celebrated the Feast of Saturnalius. Christ was most likely born in the first decade AD, in the summer months. Shephards don't keep watch over their flocks by night in the winter in the desert.

The tradition for December 25th is actually quite ancient. Hippolytus, in the second century A.D., argued that this was Christ's birthday. Meanwhile, in the eastern Church, January 6th was the date followed.

But in the fourth century, John Chrysostom argued that December 25th was the correct date and from that day till now, the Church in the East, as well as the West, has observed the 25th of December as the official date of Christ's birth.

In modern times, the traditional date has been challenged. Modern scholars point out that when Jesus was born, shepherds were watching their sheep in the hills around Bethlehem. Luke tells us that an angel appeared to "some shepherds staying out in the fields [who were] keeping watch over their flock by night" (2:8).

Some scholars feel that the sheep were usually brought under cover from November to March; as well, they were not normally in the field at night. But there is no hard evidence for this. In fact, early Jewish sources suggest that the sheep around Bethlehem were outside year-round. So you can see, December 25th fits both tradition and the biblical narrative well. There is no sound objection to it.

Now admittedly, the sheep around Bethlehem were the exception, not the rule. But these were no ordinary sheep. They were sacrificial lambs. In the early spring they would be slaughtered at the Passover.

And God first revealed the Messiah's birth to these shepherds--shepherds who protected harmless lambs which would soon die on behalf of sinful men. Whey they saw the baby, could they have known? Might they have whispered in their hearts what John the Baptist later thundered, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

Now, of course, we can't be absolutely certain of the day of Christ's birth. At least, not this side of heaven. But an early winter date seems as reasonable a guess as any. And December 25th has been the frontrunner for eighteen centuries. Without more evidence, there seems no good reason to change the celebration date now.

We can blame the ancient church for a large part of our uncertainty. You see, they did not celebrate Christ's birth. At all. To them, it was insignificant. They were far more concerned with his death . . . and resurrection.

But modern man has turned that around. A baby lying in a manger is harmless, non-threatening. But a man dying on a cross--a man who claims to be God--that man is a threat! He demands our allegiance! We cannot ignore him. We must either accept him or reject him. He leaves us no middle ground.

This Christmas season, take a close look at a nativity scene once again. Remove your rose-colored glasses--smell the foul air, see the cold, shivering animals. They represent the Old Testament sacrificial system. They are emblems of death. But they are mere shadows of the Babe in their midst. He was born to die . . . that all who believe in him might live.

I do know that my statement was an oversimplification, it would be very hard to discuss all of the points applicable to this topic. However, it is your statement that simplifies the argument. I respect your opinion, and feel that you are in the correct state of mind.

However, your oversimplification comes when you say that PC tries to control the words used. It does not pertain to the words used directly, but to the connotation of the word. Someone who is in a wheelchair may take offense at the use of word cripple because it has the connotation of being helpless, while the individual is far from it.

I agree that being called "mobility challenged" could be a little patronizing, and I personally don't see a need for that to be used.
Funny we are very close on agreement yet divided over terms. My experience of PC has been that it is held forth by those more concerned with the projection of their moral superiority than with the people they claim to care about. It like watching the church lady on a speedball.

I'm off for Christmas because that is when Jesus was born.
LOL!!!!

Well said. The term 'retarded' referred to the developmental result. "Idiot" referred to a specific class of mental capacity. "Mongoloid" referred to an appearance that was common in that group affected by Down's Syndrome. What changed these accepted scientific terms to derrogatory terms?

The cumbersome "specially abled" has been shortened to "special". You know what is a popular joke among the 9-13 set? "Yo' mama told you you're special because you ride the little bus." No adult told them this. No text book told them this. Their developing identities along the myraid considerations that go into the occasionally sociopathic tween mind told them this.

I like my signature!!!!!

I would like to point out that retarded refers to the medical term Mental Retardation (AKA MR). Basically just a slang term for a medical diagnosis!

Now lets bring on the Nymphomaniacs!!!!!

People think in speech patterns.

Political correctness is altering speech to ensure it is non-derogatory

PC changes the way that people think into non-derogatory forms.

What does that have to do with a defense of PC? You have just made my point. To use the PC term 'gay' in that manner is equivalent to using the term 'fag'. You have changed the exterior without affecting the interior. By changing the terms used you do not change perceptions.
See, that's not the case. As I said before, people think in speech patterns. "Idiot" may have had a proper definition in the past, but now it is insulting. So you don't use it in a technical way any more.

Don’t get me wrong I just think the name changing thing is silly … if you treat your fellow humans correctly it wouldn’t matter what word you used. I think that is the INTENT of PC it just like so many things has been changed into a series of name changes that do anything but actually help how the individual is treated
The problem is, each time you change the name, people initially don't form the negative connotations in their head, but then after a while, they do. So you have to change it again, keep it moving, keep people thinking rather than just labelling blindly. I can understand the frustration of not being able to call a ground moving and manipulating instrument a spade, but that is the point of political correctness, to frustrate and shake up stereotypes and negative thinking.

Slap Happy, until you know me, you really can't question the integrity of things I say about myself. What I said about political correctness and social activism is true and until you can back up your claims I strongly recommend that you not assess someone's guilt on an incomplete and partially judgemental image you create in your mind.
If you really care about the integrity of your words then learn to use the quote tab at the base of each statement. Whatever confusion that comes from you not using the same format as everyone else is an issue of your own making. I have already retracted my statement as an error. If you also demand an apology you will be disappointed. Learn to use proper formatting as is generally accepted practice.

I like my signature!!!!!

I would like to point out that retarded refers to the medical term Mental Retardation (AKA MR). Basically just a slang term for a medical diagnosis!

Now lets bring on the Nymphomaniacs!!!!!
LOL! Be careful what you wish for.

What does that have to do with a defense of PC? You have just made my point. To use the PC term 'gay' in that manner is equivalent to using the term 'fag'. You have changed the exterior without affecting the interior. By changing the terms used you do not change perceptions. See, that's not the case. As I said before, people think in speech patterns. "Idiot" may have had a proper definition in the past, but now it is insulting. So you don't use it in a technical way any more.Your premise is faulty. The framing of words comes along later in the thought process.

That aside, saying that "idiot" is no longer valid as a technical term is, technically, true. Since that is true then it's usage is politically correct as it no longer refers to a condition. So then it is perfectly fine to make a statement such as, "Their foreign policy is an idiot's delight." Now let's try it this way, "Their foreign policy shows a disinclination to meaningful thought process in a way that one is left to wonder to what extent the capacity for it even exists in the current administration."

My premise is that by changing words you change nothing. The policy is still the work of monkeys banging on typewriters and those inclined toward rough manners will soon take your new term and use it as an insult. What has changed?

If I look at a finely crafted piece and praise the workmanship, how am I denigrating the woman whose work it is?

well slapstick until you mentionned the quote button I had no idea how to do that. Now I know. Up until now I had no idea how to do that so I specified used quotation marks.

well slapstick until you mentionned the quote button I had no idea how to do that. Now I know. Up until now I had no idea how to do that so I specified used quotation marks.
OK - Let's start over. You can learn to dislike me for better reasons. BTW - you play hockey up there in Newfoundland? I used to back in HS. Slapstick is not a bad nick to me. No charge on the heads up, ok?

Well I dont live in Newfoundland but anyway, I dont play hockey unfortunately, according to my parents I amazingly had no interest in hockey when I was like 6. Subsequently I never really started playing hockey though I find it odd that I wasnt into it considering im a hockey fanatic now. Ah well, its fun to play recreationally, hockey is the best sport!

Oh and calling you slapstick, when I was writing the post I couldnt remember your name, knew it was slap something and I was sure I had seen slapstick.

Your premise is faulty. The framing of words comes along later in the thought process.

That aside, saying that "idiot" is no longer valid as a technical term is, technically, true. Since that is true then it's usage is politically correct as it no longer refers to a condition. So then it is perfectly fine to make a statement such as, "Their foreign policy is an idiot's delight." Now let's try it this way, "Their foreign policy shows a disinclination to meaningful thought process in a way that one is left to wonder to what extent the capacity for it even exists in the current administration."
I wouldn't say though that that last statement is politically incorrect. Nor is saying to a particular person that they are an idiot to believe in that foreign policy, as your intent was to insult (mildly).

If I look at a finely crafted piece and praise the workmanship, how am I denigrating the woman whose work it is?I don't think you are. This is the point about words and mental images. "Fine workmanship" doesn't produce the idea in the head that a man made it. So, although technically incorrect, I wouldn't say that it was politically incorrect (or if it is, then it is to such a mild degree that I can't conceive of it really bothering anyone).

Well I dont live in Newfoundland but anyway, I dont play hockey unfortunately, according to my parents I amazingly had no interest in hockey when I was like 6. Subsequently I never really started playing hockey though I find it odd that I wasnt into it considering im a hockey fanatic now. Ah well, its fun to play recreationally, hockey is the best sport!

Oh and calling you slapstick, when I was writing the post I couldnt remember your name, knew it was slap something and I was sure I had seen slapstick.
LOL! NP on the name, like I said no insult felt. Sorry for the NF reference, I meant to say Nova Scotia. I would love to play but too many injuries including a popable left knee keep me to just skating laps. Still it's fun - I worked in a skating rink throughout HS and never lost my love of the ice.

If you really care about the integrity of your words then learn to use the quote tab at the base of each statement. Whatever confusion that comes from you not using the same format as everyone else is an issue of your own making. I have already retracted my statement as an error. If you also demand an apology you will be disappointed. Learn to use proper formatting as is generally accepted practice.
You've added a new category in there with spelling nazis and grammer nazis. Formatting Nazis!!

I wouldn't say though that that last statement is politically incorrect. Nor is saying to a particular person that they are an idiot to believe in that foreign policy, as your intent was to insult (mildly).

I don't think you are. This is the point about words and mental images. "Fine workmanship" doesn't produce the idea in the head that a man made it. So, although technically incorrect, I wouldn't say that it was politically incorrect (or if it is, then it is to such a mild degree that I can't conceive of it really bothering anyone).
Alright then. If you followed my earlier comments and some of the others here there is a line somewhere between what is polite and considerate and what is over the top PC. My experience (in lower Manhattan) is that some people have taken it to an extreme that has caused it to be a joke in the mainstream. Some terms come naturally enough - firefighter, server, Ms. But when it becomes an unweildly contortions that just smack of the smug self satisfaction of someone who is too caught up in their very strongly held beliefs and they start their proselytization with and angry glare at my infidelesque manner they are just begging to be taken to task.

"You've added a new category in there with spelling nazis and grammer nazis. Formatting Nazis!!" Well if the brown shirt fitz . . .

and Leppi, you can do something tomake change and be politically correct, I fall intothat catergory. I am in social justice organizations and try as hard as possible to ensure I'm politically correct.

So now, in order to be "Socially Just" you have to be "Politically Correct?"

PC is just that...political. Since most of us are NOT political, i say we all just get along...

When did "Short" become "Vertically Challenged" and why. Short is short is short. Its like everything else...blown WAY out of proportion.

just my 2 cents worth

About winter break...it's not just atheists. It's also Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus and any other religion or spirituality you can think of. You wouldn't like having to celebrate Yom Kippur would you? Think man, 1st Amendment, separation of church of and state, protection of the minorities from the majority...you get it right?


OK, so now, because I am Christian, I have to not be "loud or obnoxious" about my holidays, becasue the Jews, Hindus, and Islamics dotn celebrate it. So why is CNN, FOXNews, and all the others going off about Ramadan in the Mid-East? I dont care. I dont want to know about it. What about Chu-sok in Korea?

Dont tell me not to call it Christmas or Christmas Break cause it might offend other religions. They dont offend me with all their stuff, I shouldnt offend them with all my stuff.

OK, so now, because I am Christian, I have to not be "loud or obnoxious" about my holidays, becasue the Jews, Hindus, and Islamics dotn celebrate it. So why is CNN, FOXNews, and all the others going off about Ramadan in the Mid-East? I dont care. I dont want to know about it. What about Chu-sok in Korea?

Dont tell me not to call it Christmas or Christmas Break cause it might offend other religions. They dont offend me with all their stuff, I shouldnt offend them with all my stuff.
Does this remind anyone but me of Mr. Garrison's Christmas Song?

Although, I don't believe we should have these strict politically correct laws, I do see sense in them. I mean, calling someone a ****** in public, is not only something that should be looked down apone, but something that should get you smacked in the head, for having such a poor vocab.

Your premise is faulty. The framing of words comes along later in the thought process.

That aside, saying that "idiot" is no longer valid as a technical term is, technically, true. Since that is true then it's usage is politically correct as it no longer refers to a condition. So then it is perfectly fine to make a statement such as, "Their foreign policy is an idiot's delight." Now let's try it this way, "Their foreign policy shows a disinclination to meaningful thought process in a way that one is left to wonder to what extent the capacity for it even exists in the current administration."

My premise is that by changing words you change nothing. The policy is still the work of monkeys banging on typewriters and those inclined toward rough manners will soon take your new term and use it as an insult. What has changed?

If I look at a finely crafted piece and praise the workmanship, how am I denigrating the woman whose work it is?

THANK YOU lol for understanding …

What hurts is what is behind the words not the words themselves … slowly society will catch up and turn the connotations of the new phrase into the same derogatory BS … it is peoples attitudes that need to change not the words themselves

LOL! Be careful what you wish for.

Been there done that! Now I just need to find me a Harem of Nympho's!!!!!

you should have stayed with you mommy if you cant stand free speech. (yeah thats the opposite from PC) fking sissys :mad: :mp5:

Consider the term 'politically correct' for a minute. Ultimately, it's the politically acceptable version of the truth. It's all about ignoring or hiding unpleasantness. For instance, it's politically incorrect to speak honestly about Social Security or the real effects of smoking on health care costs. I know the term has come to describe a number of things, but it's all the same idea.

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PC isn't about ignoring or hiding unpleasantness, it is about not being unpleasant.

I can talk in a very PC way about rape, murder, paedophilia, starvation, racism, etc etc.

I just don't say things like "All women are c***s" when I'm talking about rape, and I don't say "Kill N*****rs" when I'm talking about racism.

PC isn't about ignoring or hiding unpleasantness, it is about not being unpleasant.

I can talk in a very PC way about rape, murder, paedophilia, starvation, racism, etc etc.

I just don't say things like "All women are c***s" when I'm talking about rape, and I don't say "Kill N*****rs" when I'm talking about racism.


But that is something completely different then what PC actually IS

A lot of the people for it are going by the ideals but not by the reality of what it is

So far all PC has turned out was to change words to “neutral” words that eventually loose their neutrality

What you describe really is tact and civility rather then really what PC has turned out to be. They were around way longer then this silly word game we all play nowadays.
You may not like those words but even replacing them with the PC words (without using the tact or civility portion) still has bad connotations
For example
(a replacement of one of your statements)
Kill African Americans (I am not even sure if the term black is correct … but the problem is African Americans does not cover non American citizens … so what would you refer to an actual African? because I have tried just African and got yelled at when it turned out to be an African American … it really is silly to expect someone to be able to tell an American citizen by look but oh well)

I mean really even with the pc word it is more about when where and how you say things then the words you used. Anyone with the right tone of voice can make an insult out of almost anything.

PC is trying to be the fuzzy shortcut to no hurt land … guess what humans got to grow up before changing language helps … you have to change attitudes not how people say things.

I just don't say things like "All women are c***s" when I'm talking about rape,

That statement would mean you are chauvinistic. It has nothing to do with rape!

I just don't say things like "All women are c***s" when I'm talking about rape,

That statement would mean you are chauvinistic. It has nothing to do with rape!
And it has nothing to do with being politically correct.

To use IH's example in a, perhaps better way....
'Rape is a major concern to modern societies. Women often live in fear when a serial rapist is commiting crimes in thier neighborhood.'
vs.
'Rape is a major concern to modern societies. C*nts live in fear when a serial rapist is commiting crimes in their neighborhoods'

PC can be taken too far, but it also does have it's place. Growing up some 32 years ago I brought a friend home from school (who happened to be black) and my grandfather (whom I lived with at the time) said to me "Who's the coon?". My grandfather knew no better, because when he grew up that was just what was said.

Times change, and the meaning of words change too. People do not have the right to be not offended. But to live in a polite society, we should all try to not offend others...

here is a perfect example of how p.c. idiots ruin good fun...read the final reason for no halloween party at the elementary school...pure idiocy
http://www.komotv.com/stories/33602.htm

here is a perfect example of how p.c. idiots ruin good fun...read the final reason for no halloween party at the elementary school...pure idiocy
http://www.komotv.com/stories/33602.htm

Now that is a load of horse shit!!!!!

Not you Sleepy the bastards who did that to the kids!!!!!

wELL i GUESS EVERYONE THAT THOUGHT THEY WERE pc ARE JUST ALL WASHED UP!!!!!

wELL i GUESS EVERYONE THAT THOUGHT THEY WERE pc ARE JUST ALL WASHED UP!!!!!
Not really, it's just that we prefer having meaningfull conversations with someone who doesn't insult us every other post.

PC can be taken too far, but it also does have it's place. Growing up some 32 years ago I brought a friend home from school (who happened to be black) and my grandfather (whom I lived with at the time) said to me "Who's the coon?". My grandfather knew no better, because when he grew up that was just what was said.

Times change, and the meaning of words change too. People do not have the right to be not offended. But to live in a polite society, we should all try to not offend others...
I agree. PC goes too far in some cases (such as the banning Halloween because of Wiccan sensibilities)...but what if the KKK wanted to have a "Kill ******" rally down the main street? Is it "political correctness" for the city to not grant them a permit?

Words have meaning, but more of it is feeling behind it.

On these boards, someone jokes "yes, we must kick the filthy spicks out of the country" and it's funny, because we know he's mocking the racists. But then I'm debating with someone who clearly a racist, and mentions those "niggers"...it's not funny, it's hateful.

Not really, it's just that we prefer having meaningfull conversations with someone who doesn't insult us every other post.

Hey East Canuk, you think its bad when one person insults you, wait until an ENTIRE COUNTRY insults you.

It's people like you, that want to have an "Intelligent conversation" that are afraid for standing up for what you believe in, that DO NOT have the courage of your convictions, that have caused this whole PC thing to be what it is now...complete and total BULLSHIT! No friggin Halloween because it "Might offend the Wiccan Religion". what kinda crap is that?????? Political correctness crap, is what that is.

And a word to you Canadiens. Stand up for yourselves, have some courage. Be strong, for Christs sake. remember, you are next in line for a 911 type of "accident", even though you DIDNT send any troops to Iraq, and are NOT HELPING in the war against terrorism!!!!! you are STILL IN THE LINE OF FIRE!!!!!!!!! Never forget that, ya half french cowards!!!!!

Oops. Did I offend all your Christians by saying for "Christs Sake?" TOO BAD. Deal with it!

These are four words every one should here: "You will be offended." At some point in your life, someone will say something or do something that will make you very uncomfortable it maybe even anger you, but, you know what, that's life. Life isn't warm and fluffy it's cold and cruel. Deal with it.

Not really, it's just that we prefer having meaningfull conversations with someone who doesn't insult us every other post.

For starters when did I insult you?

That's what I thought I didn't insult you. I never spoke to you!

Now STFU!!!!!

These are four words every one should here: "You will be offended." At some point in your life, someone will say something or do something that will make you very uncomfortable it maybe even anger you, but, you know what, that's life. Life isn't warm and fluffy it's cold and cruel. Deal with it.

Well said!!!!!

Just one thing you left out. You will also hear alot of profanities in life!!!!!

Hey East Canuk, you think its bad when one person insults you, wait until an ENTIRE COUNTRY insults you.

It's people like you, that want to have an "Intelligent conversation" that are afraid for standing up for what you believe in, that DO NOT have the courage of your convictions, that have caused this whole PC thing to be what it is now...complete and total BULLSHIT! No friggin Halloween because it "Might offend the Wiccan Religion". what kinda crap is that?????? Political correctness crap, is what that is.

And a word to you Canadiens. Stand up for yourselves, have some courage. Be strong, for Christs sake. remember, you are next in line for a 911 type of "accident", even though you DIDNT send any troops to Iraq, and are NOT HELPING in the war against terrorism!!!!! you are STILL IN THE LINE OF FIRE!!!!!!!!! Never forget that, ya half french cowards!!!!!

Oops. Did I offend all your Christians by saying for "Christs Sake?" TOO BAD. Deal with it!


This is another worthy post!!!!!

The slient will learn to remain silent or learn to fight like a man!!!!!

For starters when did I insult you?

That's what I thought I didn't insult you. I never spoke to you!

Now STFU!!!!!
Way to take it personnal. Just look at this entire thread: the PC people have tried to be decent and argue some point. The non-PC, not so much.

While tere may be some cases (like halloween) that are way overboard, the opposite vue (saying whatever you like, whenever you like without thinking of the others) is far more destructive to the society in general and is seen as self-centered arrogance and boorish manners.

Also, telling me to shut up is not going to gain you points in any debate.

I'm pretty sure the Constitution does not include the Right Not to be Offended. Political Correctness is a subtle form of censorship. "She's not retarded, she's developmentally challenged" or "it's not Christmas break, it's Winter break." Please. How about this? Fuck you, she's retarded and I'm off for Christmas because that is when Jesus was born.
Hate to break it to you, FUCKTARD, but christmas has nothing to do with Jesu du Nazareth- it is a pagan holiday, idiot fascist.

I believe that people have the right to be offended when someone calls them, say, a towelhead. Offended people have the right to kill some white fascist nazi asses if they feel so inclined.

Hey East Canuk, you think its bad when one person insults you, wait until an ENTIRE COUNTRY insults you.

It's people like you, that want to have an "Intelligent conversation" that are afraid for standing up for what you believe in, that DO NOT have the courage of your convictions, that have caused this whole PC thing to be what it is now...complete and total BULLSHIT! No friggin Halloween because it "Might offend the Wiccan Religion". what kinda crap is that?????? Political correctness crap, is what that is.

And a word to you Canadiens. Stand up for yourselves, have some courage. Be strong, for Christs sake. remember, you are next in line for a 911 type of "accident", even though you DIDNT send any troops to Iraq, and are NOT HELPING in the war against terrorism!!!!! you are STILL IN THE LINE OF FIRE!!!!!!!!! Never forget that, ya half french cowards!!!!!

Oops. Did I offend all your Christians by saying for "Christs Sake?" TOO BAD. Deal with it!

For staters, when has Canada insulted you, personnally?

Also, when you questions my convictions and call me french coward, you insult me, completely defeats your point, could be deleted by the mods. Note that I'm not talking to those who insult me for no reasons whatsoever. Especially those who feel insulted by what I write and then go around telling me to "deal with it" if I'm ever insulted. Live by what you preach or else, get lost.

Also, as the 9/11 thing: Canada actually stood by his principles on this. We said we would only go where the UN deemed it acceptable and we did. Just because the US says "jump" doesn't mean we have to. Also, thank you very much for increasing the chance that there will be a terrorist attack on OUR soil because of YOUR actions.

Have a nice day.

These are four words every one should here: "You will be offended." At some point in your life, someone will say something or do something that will make you very uncomfortable it maybe even anger you, but, you know what, that's life. Life isn't warm and fluffy it's cold and cruel. Deal with it.
While I will be offended many times in my life, I can also try to limit these as much as possible. Being respectfull and mindfull of other is not so hard and goes a long way. While some PC activist are going too far, I would be remiss if I didn't note that every movements have it's radical that are going too far.
PC is here to stay. Deal with it, as you say.

Have a nice day.

For staters, when has Canada insulted you, personnally?

Also, when you questions my convictions and call me french coward, you insult me, completely defeats your point, could be deleted by the mods. Note that I'm not talking to those who insult me for no reasons whatsoever. Especially those who feel insulted by what I write and then go around telling me to "deal with it" if I'm ever insulted. Live by what you preach or else, get lost.

Also, as the 9/11 thing: Canada actually stood by his principles on this. We said we would only go where the UN deemed it acceptable and we did. Just because the US says "jump" doesn't mean we have to. Also, thank you very much for increasing the chance that there will be a terrorist attack on OUR soil because of YOUR actions.

Have a nice day.
You tell 'im! I'm American and even I can't stand this xenophobic bullcrap US spreads like horse manure.

You tell 'im! I'm American and even I can't stand this xenophobic bullcrap US spreads like horse manure.
Thanks.

Way to take it personnal. Just look at this entire thread: the PC people have tried to be decent and argue some point. The non-PC, not so much.

While tere may be some cases (like halloween) that are way overboard, the opposite vue (saying whatever you like, whenever you like without thinking of the others) is far more destructive to the society in general and is seen as self-centered arrogance and boorish manners.

Also, telling me to shut up is not going to gain you points in any debate.


For starters you say "Way to take it personnal". If you didn't notice you quoted me when saying that!!!!!!

For 2nd's I didn't tell you to shut up. I said STFU! Get your facts straight! I'm very blunt and call a horse a horse and a rose a rose!

For 3rd's you really need to take off those rose colored glasses you are wearing. People aren't nice and polite to you at Burger King cause they want to be. They are nice to you cause they are told to be nice to the customers so they will come back.

ER Physicians (for the layman ER=Emergency Room) can treat you like a piece of dogshit, and these same people will come back for more.

For 4th's the only thing wrong with society today is the coalition's. We don't like Christmas so ban everything to do with it, we don't like God so let's ban everything to do with it, we are against whipping our child so lets turn in anyone who tries to discipline their child.

You see when we take away fundamental rights from the masses to appease the few then we erode rights and society starts to go down hill. Manners are manners and have nothing to do to the wackos who try to claim they do it for PC.

While we are at it why don't we bash lots freaks that call themselves PETA. They interfere with not only the sportsmen but the one's who are trying to feed their family. I know one thing those idiots don't wanna step into the woods where I hunt. Too many good ole Boys hang out in there for them to make it thru unscathed. Heck there's spots I won't go for the sheer reason you don't know who might take a shot at ya. Not to mention the pricks chase you down with bulldozers!!!!!

Hate to break it to you, FUCKTARD, but christmas has nothing to do with Jesu du Nazareth- it is a pagan holiday, idiot fascist.

I believe that people have the right to be offended when someone calls them, say, a towelhead. Offended people have the right to kill some white fascist nazi asses if they feel so inclined.

At least you don't prescibe to that PC load of crap!!!!!

Gotta respect you for that!

Bah, being offended is a waste of time. Are you going to let someone's poor actions affect the quality of your life and dictate your actions? You have the choice to act and not react.

As for PC, bah to that too. I agree that we should all be civil and not say so many dumb things. Especially when a person says something out of ignorance and has no malicous intent. People who get offended at that need a swift kick to the hind quarters. It would be far better to be calm and controlled then to fly off the handle or go cry in a corner.

Bah, being offended is a waste of time. Are you going to let someone's poor actions affect the quality of your life and dictate your actions? You have the choice to act and not react.

As for PC, bah to that too. I agree that we should all be civil and not say so many dumb things. Especially when a person says something out of ignorance and has no malicous intent. People who get offended at that need a swift kick to the hind quarters. It would be far better to be calm and controlled then to fly off the handle or go cry in a corner.


I say those that are sheltered and offended by what I say need to go cry in a corner and Kiss My A$$!!!!!

I am opinionated and see things as they are with no sugar coating!!!!!

Just Grow Up and learn the world isn't all roses!!!!!

For starters you say "Way to take it personnal". If you didn't notice you quoted me when saying that!!!!!!

Deal with it. :)

For 2nd's I didn't tell you to shut up. I said STFU! Get your facts straight! I'm very blunt and call a horse a horse and a rose a rose!

and, what praytell is STFU if it's not telling me to shut up. I merely removed the expletives wich were not helping in any way.

For 3rd's you really need to take off those rose colored glasses you are wearing. People aren't nice and polite to you at Burger King cause they want to be. They are nice to you cause they are told to be nice to the customers so they will come back.

And you really need to take off your black-tinted ones because some corner of this world are not only nice because it's good buisness senses else we would never have what we call friendship with anyone.

ER Physicians (for the layman ER=Emergency Room) can treat you like a piece of dogshit, and these same people will come back for more.

Or go to another hospital wich give the same treatment with better PR. (for the layman PR= Public Relations). And an ER Physician that is treating me like shit can kiss my money goodbye.

For 4th's the only thing wrong with society today is the coalition's. We don't like Christmas so ban everything to do with it, we don't like God so let's ban everything to do with it, we are against whipping our child so lets turn in anyone who tries to discipline their child.

That is wrong on so many levels... If you don't think that corruption, lawlessness, fanaticism are not what's wrong with society today, I don't even want to know you.

You see when we take away fundamental rights from the masses to appease the few then we erode rights and society starts to go down hill. Manners are manners and have nothing to do to the wackos who try to claim they do it for PC.

Your right to free speech ends where my rights begin. Denigrating my religious rights because you want to call an arbitrary date christmas and claim that your God was born that day (which, by the way is false) is an infringment on my rights of religion and association. Keep your goddamn mouth shut and call it whatever you want in the confort of your own home.

While we are at it why don't we bash lots freaks that call themselves PETA. They interfere with not only the sportsmen but the one's who are trying to feed their family. I know one thing those idiots don't wanna step into the woods where I hunt. Too many good ole Boys hang out in there for them to make it thru unscathed. Heck there's spots I won't go for the sheer reason you don't know who might take a shot at ya. Not to mention the pricks chase you down with bulldozers!!!!!
The sportsmen and those who are trying to feed their families have legal recourse. They should use them. Same thing will happen if you want to take a shot at them. They will call the police and charge you with intent of murder.

Have a nice day

Deal with it. :)



and, what praytell is STFU if it's not telling me to shut up. I merely removed the expletives wich were not helping in any way.

Some people need to learn those that can back their mouth will and those that like to pussy foot around will also hide!!!!! The Expletives as you wanna call them are attention getters and widely used! And as I said previous if you wanna quote me be sure to quote me appropriately. Don't go pussy footing around!!!!!


Or go to another hospital wich give the same treatment with better PR. (for the layman PR= Public Relations). And an ER Physician that is treating me like shit can kiss my money goodbye.

Go ahead! Where I live if you are a piece of shit drug seeker you get treated like you are. Guess what all the ER's in the area talk to one another. Also there are few Hospitals!!!!!


That is wrong on so many levels... If you don't think that corruption, lawlessness, fanaticism are not what's wrong with society today, I don't even want to know you.

What do you think a coalition is you moron!


Your right to free speech ends where my rights begin. Denigrating my religious rights because you want to call an arbitrary date christmas and claim that your God was born that day (which, by the way is false) is an infringment on my rights of religion and association. Keep your goddamn mouth shut and call it whatever you want in the confort of your own home.

Oh here's a guy that thinks he worships the only true God. He is the only one who deserves free speech!!!!!

By the way can you prove or disprove he was born that day!

No I looked it up recently from another date and no one seems to be able to prove or disprove. And did I say you shouldn't be able to worship the birth of your god?????


The sportsmen and those who are trying to feed their families have legal recourse. They should use them. Same thing will happen if you want to take a shot at them. They will call the police and charge you with intent of murder.

Have a nice day

You don't get it do you. I know people that hunt the same woods as me that will pop those idiots in the head at 500+ yards and leve them laying for the coyotes and buzzards. No chance to call the cops. Not like the cops would or could change the outcome.


Something very seriously wrong with this person who claims to be PC!!!!!

What I have seen is an egotistical coward who hides behind his version of the perfect world! Who can't seem to take the rose colored glasses off to see the real world for what it is!!!!!

P.C.ness is just a something all the whiners in this world do when they feel like noone cares about them because they have a disability.

Most of the time people dont care about you disabled folk
SO GET USED TO IT!!!

P.C.ness is just a something all the whiners in this world do when they feel like noone cares about them because they have a disability.

Most of the time people dont care about you disabled folk
SO GET USED TO IT!!!

Sign of a man that knows the truth and see's the world for what it is!

why thank you uh mister guy dude man
i just think all this crap about midgets being "vertically challenged" is stupid
but i did make one for fat people.....fat people can be called gravitationally enhanced
hahahahahahaha :cool:

PC is BS mostly because it flys contrary to human nature.
If we call fat people "ruebenesque", the next generation will think the new term is offensive. Every new PC term still means the same thing as the old term. The mind's picture doesn't change.

colored=Negro=black=of color=?

Imbecile=moron=retard=mentally challenged=?

fat=obese=big person=ruebenesque=?

crippled=handicapped=handicapable!=physically challenged=?

Gag me! Every generation slangs up the language in an attempt to appear more "civilized" for their own self-image as much as any other reason.

EDIT: by the way, what did spanish speakers do when the "civilized" term changed from negro to black?

Man,

Its been a couple days since I looked in at this thread, and boy have we gone wrong.

First, PC is NOT just being civil, or nice, or "not offensive" to people. Its being condecending to people. The "Physically Challenges" people I know (and I know quite a few..being in the army and all) hate being called that. They are handicapped, but still capable. and they are great people. And "African American"?" Comeon. Do you have "African Canadien" in Canada? No. Black, mexican, Puerto Rican, Asian, Korean, Chinese etc etc. If they are american, born or imigrated, then they are AMERICAN. Same with Canada. A Black person born in Georgia, USA is not African American. Hell, he has never been to Africa. He is AMERICAN. My roots are Dutch and English. I am not called Dutch-American, I am a white, and American. take your pick...neither offends me.

second, people can be offended too easily, and try to take away from society trying to be "Too Nice". For instance, the lady in the US that wanted to take her Drivers license picture with her face covered. HELL NO! you can only cater and compromise and pander so much. After that, whats the point of having laws and rules, if anyone can claim "religious freedoms" or personal rights, or PC, and get anything they want??? And this may be a little exaggeration, but whats next? I get to kill you because of my religion? Murder for political correctness and freedom? Not for me pal...

third, whats wrong with being straightforward. Call a spade a spade, and a rose a rose. If me calling someone from mexico a "Mexican" offend people, something is seriously wrong. Now, if he was from Panama, and I called him a Mexican, then that might be a different story. But just tell me, "Hey, I am Panamanium, not Mexican" and leave it at that. Dont take offense or get upset!

fourth, all you "people" (to be polite, when what I want to do is call you a bunch of four letter words) that called me a facist, or a moron, or an idiot, or whatever. Well, you are entitled to your opinion. It doesnt offend me, it just pisses me off. A little. But I have been a fighter all my life, so I tend to argue with fists, and not words.
But I will debate you stupid MOFO's in any forum, anytime, anyplace you want.

and fifth, who cares when christmas is. I am religious, but i dont flaunt it like "Some people do". Christmas is a time when families come together, people (generally) feel better about themselves and others, and its a Feel Good" time. Plus you get PRESENTS!!!!!(you get to give them too, but thats both better AND worse (I hate shopping for my wife but I love giving her stuff)) I say that anything that brings families closer together, and society closer together, needs to be talked about more, not less. And not talked down about.!!! Who cares if its when Jesus Christ was born or not. It brings people close to their God, just like Ramadan in Islam, Hanuka for Jews, and Budahs B-day for the budhists. Just leave it alone already!

Cowboy, you know I love ya like a brother, and I have lots of respect for someone who saves lives like you do...plus I like your forthrightness and lack of manners! LMAO

East Canuk...Well, all I can say is I dont know you, but I dont like you. I think you have a problem seeing reality, and you are one of those "touchy feelie" liberals tree hugger kind of person. No biggie...to each their own. Just dont tell me I have to be PC cause its "Right" or "Civil". I am not PC, I have no problem with people calling me names, or labeling me. Dotn expect me to start now. I am not easily offended, and I dont like it when other people are "thin skinned" Peace, love and happines to you

Man,

Its been a couple days since I looked in at this thread, and boy have we gone wrong.

First, PC is NOT just being civil, or nice, or "not offensive" to people. Its being condecending to people. The "Physically Challenges" people I know (and I know quite a few..being in the army and all) hate being called that. They are handicapped, but still capable. and they are great people. And "African American"?" Comeon. Do you have "African Canadien" in Canada? No. Black, mexican, Puerto Rican, Asian, Korean, Chinese etc etc. If they are american, born or imigrated, then they are AMERICAN. Same with Canada. A Black person born in Georgia, USA is not African American. Hell, he has never been to Africa. He is AMERICAN. My roots are Dutch and English. I am not called Dutch-American, I am a white, and American. take your pick...neither offends me.

second, people can be offended too easily, and try to take away from society trying to be "Too Nice". For instance, the lady in the US that wanted to take her Drivers license picture with her face covered. HELL NO! you can only cater and compromise and pander so much. After that, whats the point of having laws and rules, if anyone can claim "religious freedoms" or personal rights, or PC, and get anything they want??? And this may be a little exaggeration, but whats next? I get to kill you because of my religion? Murder for political correctness and freedom? Not for me pal...

third, whats wrong with being straightforward. Call a spade a spade, and a rose a rose. If me calling someone from mexico a "Mexican" offend people, something is seriously wrong. Now, if he was from Panama, and I called him a Mexican, then that might be a different story. But just tell me, "Hey, I am Panamanium, not Mexican" and leave it at that. Dont take offense or get upset!

fourth, all you "people" (to be polite, when what I want to do is call you a bunch of four letter words) that called me a facist, or a moron, or an idiot, or whatever. Well, you are entitled to your opinion. It doesnt offend me, it just pisses me off. A little. But I have been a fighter all my life, so I tend to argue with fists, and not words.
But I will debate you stupid MOFO's in any forum, anytime, anyplace you want.

and fifth, who cares when christmas is. I am religious, but i dont flaunt it like "Some people do". Christmas is a time when families come together, people (generally) feel better about themselves and others, and its a Feel Good" time. Plus you get PRESENTS!!!!!(you get to give them too, but thats both better AND worse (I hate shopping for my wife but I love giving her stuff)) I say that anything that brings families closer together, and society closer together, needs to be talked about more, not less. And not talked down about.!!! Who cares if its when Jesus Christ was born or not. It brings people close to their God, just like Ramadan in Islam, Hanuka for Jews, and Budahs B-day for the budhists. Just leave it alone already!

Cowboy, you know I love ya like a brother, and I have lots of respect for someone who saves lives like you do...plus I like your forthrightness and lack of manners! LMAO

East Canuk...Well, all I can say is I dont know you, but I dont like you. I think you have a problem seeing reality, and you are one of those "touchy feelie" liberals tree hugger kind of person. No biggie...to each their own. Just dont tell me I have to be PC cause its "Right" or "Civil". I am not PC, I have no problem with people calling me names, or labeling me. Dotn expect me to start now. I am not easily offended, and I dont like it when other people are "thin skinned" Peace, love and happines to you

I just love it when people can be forthright and honest!!!!!

Bro hate to tell you I had to make a hard decision and retire as a Paramedic. I decided it was time. Seen too much and not enough CISD.

Like you said I am Irish and I don't consider myself Irish American. I am American!

Lol just have to add that if you want to see a FUNNY (and be sure to be able to take a joke) example of PC watch blue collar comedy TV

Larry the cable guy does a “PC story that his ‘daughter’ brings home from school”

Last time I watched it was “Snow Caucasian and the 7 handy capable little people”

I agree that that common sense must prevail, and that the level to which PC is being taken can be extreme, but the outright rejection people make to it is rediculous. There is no difference between "physically challenged" and "crippled" except for the connotation, and the connotation only matters to the person who may be hurt by it, so at least take the millisecond to not be an asshole.

I do. If my friend Bob is in a wheelchair, and I introduce him, I won't call him "crippled" or "physically challenged." I'd call him Bob. or my friend. if I didn't know his name (because I'd only just met him,) I wouldn't say "this is this physically challenged guy I just met." I'd ask his name and use it.

political correctness:
n : avoidance of expressions or actions that can be perceived to exclude or marginalize or insult people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

I am personally offended by religious people who tell me that I need to be a member of their religion in order to save my soul. I am being disciminated against (only members get saved,) am being treated as disadvantaged (because I haven't yet seen the light. It is an insult to me to tell me this. By telling me I will go to hell if I don't believe their beliefs, they are excluding me from something on the basis of something they believe but which I do not.

so, by the definition of PC, sermonising to those who are not already converted, is against PC, and should not be allowed in a PC country.

ok, so all that after the definition was a dumb joke, but it should illustrate how someone can decide something is offensive if they so choose.

there is no way you can use such a vague definition to support the idea of PC. it's that definition which makes me anti-pc.

imo, it is pretty easy to be non-offensive without being in any way PC.

i still think this is a load of crap