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I would like to inform undecided voters and those who are leaning towards Bush (but not yet sold) of an interesting development in international politics.

George W. Bush has finally begun the process of drumming up international support for his run in the election. He has so far acquired the backing of two nations (please note, this is NOT a sarcastic piece. I am quite serious):

Russia-
Vladimir Putin (the ex-KGB agent) came out the other day with some of the strongest language yet to support President Bush, claiming that a Bush electoral defeat would be a "victory for the terrorists". This comes as Putin is busy quietly disassembling civil rights and rolling back democratic reforms to concentrate power in his own hands, alarming international observers. Russia's own former president, Boris Yeltsin, has criticized Putin for undoing the work of democracy in that country.

Iran- The Islamic Republic of Iran came out today (Oct. 20) and endorsed George Bush in a public statement. No joke! There were several reasons, apparently, but Iran stated that Democratic presidents tend to hurt Iran more. In addition, Democratic presidents tend to pester Iran more heavily about human and civil rights. Given those two things, Iran decided that the best thing for Iran was to back the Bush campaign.

Incredible, no? If you want more details, comment on them. Both of these news stories were lifted off of Yahoo! News.

What does it say about the Bush's administration's handling of the War On Terror if one of the nations listed in the Axis Of Evil (Iran) is actually ENDORSING President Bush?

A couple of news reports to back your statement:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3756866.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3931801.stm
60 (Russian soldiers) were "driven to suicide" because of bullying by their superiors.
Gotta love those Russians and their crazy ways!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3759266.stm
Iran has test-fired an improved version of the Shahab-3 ballistic missile.
The weapon...has an increased range of 2,000 km.
...
The missile's increased range would put Israel within its sights

Great international support there, GWB!

Does that exist?

The United Kingdom, Australia, Poland, Italy and Spain...

As for Iran:

Also:
"President Bush, preparing for this week's much-anticipated campaign debate on foreign policy, is insisting Iran will not develop a nuclear weapon on his watch.

"My hope is that we can solve this diplomatically," Bush said in a TV interview broadcast Monday. "We are working our hearts out so that they don't develop a nuclear weapon, and the best way to do so is to continue to keep international pressure on them.""
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/28/bush.tuesday.ap/

...so, is Bush's policy on using diplomacy with North Korea and Iran are wrong and invading Iraq is right?

PICK ONE.

I would like to inform undecided voters and those who are leaning towards Bush (but not yet sold) of an interesting development in international politics.

George W. Bush has finally begun the process of drumming up international support for his run in the election. He has so far acquired the backing of two nations (please note, this is NOT a sarcastic piece. I am quite serious):

Russia-
Vladimir Putin (the ex-KGB agent) came out the other day with some of the strongest language yet to support President Bush, claiming that a Bush electoral defeat would be a "victory for the terrorists". This comes as Putin is busy quietly disassembling civil rights and rolling back democratic reforms to concentrate power in his own hands, alarming international observers. Russia's own former president, Boris Yeltsin, has criticized Putin for undoing the work of democracy in that country.

Iran- The Islamic Republic of Iran came out today (Oct. 20) and endorsed George Bush in a public statement. No joke! There were several reasons, apparently, but Iran stated that Democratic presidents tend to hurt Iran more. In addition, Democratic presidents tend to pester Iran more heavily about human and civil rights. Given those two things, Iran decided that the best thing for Iran was to back the Bush campaign.

Incredible, no? If you want more details, comment on them. Both of these news stories were lifted off of Yahoo! News.

What does it say about the Bush's administration's handling of the War On Terror if one of the nations listed in the Axis Of Evil (Iran) is actually ENDORSING President Bush?


You know, while i suport Bush, i don't find these supporters to be the best..

But you ALSO forgot the U.K., Australia, Poland, Italy, and various other world governments(and when i mean support i mean the GOVERNMENTS of the country, not the majority of the people.)

The United Kingdom, Australia, Poland, Italy and Spain...

They support America not Bush

They support America not Bush

we're counting GOVERNMENTS that support bush(spain shouldnt be on that list)

we're counting GOVERNMENTS that support bush(spain shouldnt be on that list)
I havent seen or heard about any of those Governments stateing that they supported Bush FOR REELECTION, in Iraq(which is what I meant by supporting america) they support him.

I havent seen or heard about any of those Governments stateing that they supported Bush FOR REELECTION, in Iraq(which is what I meant by supporting america) they support him.

Thats because if they do they face harsh repremands from their population and the international community. You should know that.

They support America not Bush

Nice, conscise, and to the point.

So what to do about this? Are they supporting America AND Kerry? :p
http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues01.asp?v=10/20

"Just Thursday, Palestinian Authority leader and sometime terrorist Yasser Arafat endorsed Kerry. Why? Kerry did once call him a "statesman." And, as his foreign minister noted, under Kerry "several staff members during Clinton's administration would return."
Kerry has also won praise from Kim Jong Il, North Korea's totalitarian dictator, who has murdered millions of his own people. Kim calls Bush "human scum." But he likes Kerry's support of two-way talks between North Korea and the U.S. — which would give the "beloved leader" a big negotiating advantage."

More importantly...


Who cares!


Decide for yourself which candidate is the best. Base your decision on the issues and not what someone, in our country or outside our country, says.

Does that exist?
only from crazy nations and the US protectorate of israel which we like to pretend is a foreign nation

and why am i the only one scared that bush said putin was doing a good job in russia?

Nice, conscise, and to the point.

So what to do about this? Are they supporting America AND Kerry? :p
http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues01.asp?v=10/20

"Just Thursday, Palestinian Authority leader and sometime terrorist Yasser Arafat endorsed Kerry. Why? Kerry did once call him a "statesman." And, as his foreign minister noted, under Kerry "several staff members during Clinton's administration would return."
Kerry has also won praise from Kim Jong Il, North Korea's totalitarian dictator, who has murdered millions of his own people. Kim calls Bush "human scum." But he likes Kerry's support of two-way talks between North Korea and the U.S. — which would give the "beloved leader" a big negotiating advantage."
how much bigger could his advantage be? he has within the past month tested a nuclear warhead under the bush administration, i dont recall him blowing up mountains during the clinton years

only from crazy nations and the US protectorate of israel which we like to pretend is a foreign nation

and why am i the only one sacred that bush said putin was doing a good job in russia?

:headbang: Oh boy! Did he say that?

:headbang: Oh boy! Did he say that?
yup bush said that during the first debate then kerry went off on bush about how putin was silencing any opposition and forcing his agenda on everyone through brute force

but what can you expect from the former head of the KGB? everybody sit back and watch the phoenix of the USSR rise from the ashes

Who the hell cares. The US will stand alone if need be. Notice Putin had nothing nice to say about Bush before the Al-Quada supported Chechens seized a middle school and slaughtered children. Terrorism is a bitch. Welcome to the party, pal.

I would like to inform undecided voters and those who are leaning towards Bush (but not yet sold) of an interesting development in international politics.

George W. Bush has finally begun the process of drumming up international support for his run in the election. He has so far acquired the backing of two nations (please note, this is NOT a sarcastic piece. I am quite serious):

Russia-
Vladimir Putin (the ex-KGB agent) came out the other day with some of the strongest language yet to support President Bush, claiming that a Bush electoral defeat would be a "victory for the terrorists". This comes as Putin is busy quietly disassembling civil rights and rolling back democratic reforms to concentrate power in his own hands, alarming international observers. Russia's own former president, Boris Yeltsin, has criticized Putin for undoing the work of democracy in that country.

Iran- The Islamic Republic of Iran came out today (Oct. 20) and endorsed George Bush in a public statement. No joke! There were several reasons, apparently, but Iran stated that Democratic presidents tend to hurt Iran more. In addition, Democratic presidents tend to pester Iran more heavily about human and civil rights. Given those two things, Iran decided that the best thing for Iran was to back the Bush campaign.

Incredible, no? If you want more details, comment on them. Both of these news stories were lifted off of Yahoo! News.


OK, but together with Israel, those nation are really rogue states. This what I translated from a more serious international poll:

You must be aware that the poll held in 10 nations was done by the international poll/study bureau ICM..Next top quality papers cooperated in the study/poll and I'll post a small conclusion of them:


Le Monde (Fr):" George Bush has a terrible score in each category, their is just one groop of French that supports him all the way: the voters of the Front National" --> that is the French fascist/neo nazi party, anti jew, anti muslim aso..

Asahi Shimbun (Japan): " The Japanese opinion about the US is compicated because of the history between both countries and because of what many see as both faces of the US."

Joongang Ilbo (S.Korea): "Last years, the perception of a lot of South Koreans on the US changed drasticly. The US aren't seen as a leader any more for the reunification but as a obstacle between both Korea's."

The Guardian (UK): "Nevertheless the work of Tony Blair, a new kind of anti-americanisme is the new tone in the UK".

Moskovskie Novosti (Russia): "Just after Beslan, a lot of Russians have more sypathie for the US because terrorists act everywhere.But now, a bit later, the Russian citizen is getting back to a more non emotional view."

El Pais (Spain): "Seldom has a US government been so isolated as this one, after the situation it created in Iraq."

Reforma (Mexico): " Why did the Mexicans turned their back to Bush? Not because of our bilateral relations wich are good till very good, but because of the invasion in Iraq and the war on terror that is a new religion of the Bush gov."

La Presse (Canada): " It is striking that the US reputation as a example of democracy fell down such like: 59% of the Quebebecois sees the US not anymore as a model. But besides occasional vague forms of anti US-nationalisme, the Canadians are aware of what they ow the US: a part of their prosperity and the defence of the continent."

The Sydney Herald (Australia): "The US president is still the leader of the free world but the free world is less likely to accept him."

Ha'aretz (Israel): "Israel loves the US because it opens the umbrella that protect us from our enemies."


This what editors wrote in the papers, now the results
(Worlwide opinion done under population of allies (all)/ trade partners (Russia)).

Who do like to see as the winner in the US elections? :

Australia: Bush 28%, Kerry 54%
UK: Bush 22%; Kerry 50%
Canada: Bush 20%, Kerry 60%
France: Bush 16%, Kerry 72%
Israel: Bush 50%, Kerry 24%
Japan: Bush 30%, Kerry 51%
Mexico: Bush 20%, Kerry 55%
Russia: Bush 52%, Kerry 48%
South Kor: Bush 18%, Kerry 68%
Spain: Bush 13%, Kerry 58%
Average: Bush 27%, Kerry 54%

In general, for or against Americans (US)?:

Australia: For 72%, Against 21%
UK: For 62%, Against 21%
Canada: For 73%, Against 23%
France: For 72%, Against 24%
Israel: For 81%, Against 24%
Japan: For 74%, Against 17%
Mexico: For 51% , Against 43%
russia: For 86%, Against 13%
S. Korea: For 65%, Against 30%
Spain: For 47%, Against 32%
Average: For 68%, Against 23%

Attack of the US on Iraq, good or wrong?

Australia: Not of application
UK: Not of application
Canada: Good 24%, Wrong 67%
France: Good 18%, Wrong 77%
Israel: Good 68%, Wrong 26%
Japan: Good 16%, Wrong 71%
Mexico: Good 10%, Wrong 83%
Russia: Good 39%, Wrong 54%
S.Korea: Good 11%, Wrong 85%
Spain: Good 13%, Wrong 80%
Average: Good 25%, Wrong 68%

So this international poll about the US foreign policy is devasting for the Bush administration but praises the US as a nation. The White house is specially counterspoken for its Iraq policy. Even the most moyal allie in EU, the UK takes distance of the White House.

Pff a lot of typework.

www.lemonde.fr
www.asahi.com
www.joongangdaily.joins.com
www.guardian.co.uk
www.english.mn.ru/english
www.elpais.es
www.reforma.com
www.cyberpresse.ca
www.smh.com.au
www.haaretzdaily.com

israel the us protectorate always votes pro US, go figure.

lets go ask puerto rico next

israel the us protectorate always votes pro US, go figure.

lets go ask puerto rico next

WEll listen, if your country saves the Jewish religion from being wiped out by genicidal maniacs, actively promotes giving the jews their own state, supported them when the Entire arab world launched a massive invasion, not to mention is their only ally baisically, i would think they'd support us.

oh, and BTW- Puerto Ricans aren't Americans. SURE, they are TECHNICALLY, but they consider themselves Puerto Rican first. Also they speak alot of Spanish, and there are quite a few people who dont even speak english.

You have a VERY narrow minded view of the world, Chess Squares.

israel the us protectorate always votes pro US, go figure.

lets go ask puerto rico next

Yeah but when you take a poll under the allies of the US + Russia it is best to do it in Israel to, alltough we all know the result in the Rogue state.
+ it adds even more weight to th estudy :cool:

WEll listen, if your country saves the Jewish religion from being wiped out by genicidal maniacs, actively promotes giving the jews their own state, supported them when the Entire arab world launched a massive invasion, not to mention is their only ally baisically, i would think they'd support us.

oh, and BTW- Puerto Ricans aren't Americans. SURE, they are TECHNICALLY, but they consider themselves Puerto Rican first. Also they speak alot of Spanish, and there are quite a few people who dont even speak english.

You have a VERY narrow minded view of the world, Chess Squares.
as opposed to you, mr worldly?

You have a VERY narrow minded view of the world, Chess Squares.

Calling a verry open and smart person like Chess Squares narrow minded just says enough about you :rolleyes:

as opposed to you, mr worldly?

Ummmm...

Thats not the point! :D

but back to the topic,

All you do is downgrade the united states and its allies! That almost it! Whenever someone does something GOOD, if they're an American ally or a Bush supporter, you always downgrade them.

Its things liek this that make me hate politics every single day...

Calling a verry open and smart person like Chess Squares narrow minded just says enough about you :rolleyes:

He's open minded? Last i checked, you should at least LISTEN to what the other side has to say and be open to INFLUENCES!

You know, while i suport Bush, i don't find these supporters to be the best..

But you ALSO forgot the U.K., Australia, Poland, Italy, and various other world governments(and when i mean support i mean the GOVERNMENTS of the country, not the majority of the people.)

That's because the leftists more often use the "cherry picking" tactic than do others whom they accuse of doing so.

He's open minded? Last i checked, you should at least LISTEN to what the other side has to say and be open to INFLUENCES!
you mean just like you?

Calling a verry open and smart person like Chess Squares narrow minded just says enough about you :rolleyes:

ChessSquares is in serious need of a reality check. He's the same dim-bulb who accused me of not being who I said I was just because I didn't fit his preconcieved notions of how he thought I should act.

Ummmm...

Thats not the point! :D

but back to the topic,

All you do is downgrade the united states and its allies! That almost it! Whenever someone does something GOOD, if they're an American ally or a Bush supporter, you always downgrade them.

Its things liek this that make me hate politics every single day...
no i chide israel for being more of a us protectorate than its own entity. whatever israel wants, it gets because the US backs it up


and yes, people who support bush need to be downgraded from whatever they are to dunce, unless of course they can back it up with irreputable facts and in most cases that downgrades you from whatever to bigot

no i chide israel for being more of a us protectorate than its own entity. whatever israel wants, it gets because the US backs it up


and yes, people who support bush need to be downgraded from whatever they are to dunce, unless of course they can back it up with irreputable facts and in most cases that downgrades you from whatever to bigot

Once again ... one standard for ChessSquares and his ilk to "prove" their case, and an entirely different, higher standard for those with whom he disagrees. Tsk! :D

you mean just like you?

Yes.

no i chide israel for being more of a us protectorate than its own entity. whatever israel wants, it gets because the US backs it up


and yes, people who support bush need to be downgraded from whatever they are to dunce, unless of course they can back it up with irreputable facts and in most cases that downgrades you from whatever to bigot

What do you mean? Do you know how many countries supported Israel in the wars it fought? None. It got military support from no one. When a nation can defend itself against the armies of every neighboring country all at once, they at LEAST deserve some respect.

And on that second part: Theres the narrow-mindedness. Not accepting other peoples views. At least i dont INSULT Kerry supporters! I dont agree with them, and i argue with them, but i don call them Idiots. I may call them Narrowminded, but thats a civilized statement. Having to resort to Childish, young, and ultimatly(sp?) immature insults is just low.

What do you mean? Do you know how many countries supported Israel in the wars it fought? None. It got military support from no one. When a nation can defend itself against the armies of every neighboring country all at once, they at LEAST deserve some respect.
but msot of whatever it wants to do is backed up by the US if any other country opposes israel or wants to do something about them BAM the US vetos itor counters it


And on that second part: Theres the narrow-mindedness. Not accepting other peoples views. At least i dont INSULT Kerry supporters! I dont agree with them, and i argue with them, but i don call them Idiots. I may call them Narrowminded, but thats a civilized statement. Having to resort to Childish, young, and ultimatly(sp?) immature insults is just low.
if narrowminded is a "civilized" insult so is pointing out they are ignorant and or a bigot

Once again ... one standard for ChessSquares and his ilk to "prove" their case, and an entirely different, higher standard for those with whom he disagrees. Tsk! :D

What's THAT supposed to mean? Look, none of these international figures are in dispute, Eut. Almost every nation polled does not like the Bush Administration. Does that not concern you?

but msot of whatever it wants to do is backed up by the US if any other country opposes israel or wants to do something about them BAM the US vetos itor counters it

I guess you havent been noticing how the U.S. has been ALOT less lenient on Israel lately. Seeing how all these warning have been sent to Israel to stop being so brutal against regular civilians(which, i will admit, the U.S. hasnt been enforcing.). Of course, no OTHER country(except for Arab ones, of course) has been tough on Israel..



if narrowminded is a "civilized" insult so is pointing out they are ignorant and or a bigot

Maybe, but calling EVERYONE a bigot or Ignorant is seterotyping. And everyone knows what stereotyping leads to(Genocide, holocaust, war, civil strife, and alot of other bad things.

What's THAT supposed to mean? Look, none of these international figures are in dispute, Eut. Almost every nation polled does not like the Bush Administration. Does that not concern you?

All im arguing is that Chess Squares needs to be more open-minded and accept that not everyone who doesnt agree with him is a pompous idiot. (Im using "idiot" because that would be a word he would use.)

Screw Chess Squares. We're not talking about him, we're talking about George W. Bush. ;)

No offense, CS. :)

Screw Chess Squares. We're not talking about him, we're talking about George W. Bush. ;)

No offense, CS. :)

Lol, you have a point.

But they are both intertwined. Whenever you try to support bush, CS tries to beat you to the ground, stab you in the hands, scrape the skin off of ya, Cook your lower half ALIVE, cut your balls off(if you have any), spread salt all over your body(which will hurt alot since you have no skin) then feed you to some hungry French Hobos.

Now while he REALLY doesnt do that(i hope you knew that before hand. We're all human here.), its as if he were doing that. Just with words instead of knives and salt.

how much bigger could his advantage be? he has within the past month tested a nuclear warhead under the bush administration, i dont recall him blowing up mountains during the clinton years

Clinton allowed easier trade with no real oversights. Bush is tougher on Kim.
As for the warhead, how long do you think they worked to get that thing built? Certainly more than 3 years!

Lol, you have a point.

But they are both intertwined. Whenever you try to support bush, CS tries to beat you to the ground, stab you in the hands, scrape the skin off of ya, Cook your lower half ALIVE, cut your balls off(if you have any), spread salt all over your body(which will hurt alot since you have no skin) then feed you to some hungry French Hobos.

Now while he REALLY doesnt do that(i hope you knew that before hand. We're all human here.), its as if he were doing that. Just with words instead of knives and salt.
bit obsessed arnt you?

bit obsessed arnt you?

Uhhh. I guess you could say that...

but it sure was fun describing it!(yes, i am a bit morbid, arent i?)