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I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.

You may have had a valid point, but it got lost somewhere around "they started it".

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.

So Manifest Desinty and colonisation never had anything to do with it?
Alright then, remind me not to read the history books that you read.

Honestly, let's all just acknoweledge that each side made the other side suffer, and get over it!

I have no problems with Natives remembering their heritage, however to complain about past suffering is just passe. Plus, in the name of equality, we'd have to get reparations to every persecuted group in the US.

And speaking of complaining about one's suffering:

My Jewish friend also thinks that certain of his fellow Jews should stop complaining about past suffering (like the Holocaust for his religion's case) and try to move on.

Just exactly who discovered who? White people were the ones that invaded the Native American's land... and the indigneous Australians...

So Manifest Desinty and colonisation never had anything to do with it?
Alright then, remind me not to read the history books that you read.

Manifest Destiny didn't start until westward expansion.
(Louisianna and Gasden Purchases)
And colonisation was worth the filthy savage indians murdering 347 women and children as they slept?
You disgust me.
We gave the filthy redskin what they deserved, and rammed it down their throats. I have no regrets on the bold decision of my fore-fathers.
God bless the United States of America

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.
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credibility after wards _____________________________

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.
As a native American, I must say that the US government already to compensate the Native Americans. Its in all the treaties the government signed with the native americans. But the govt. never kept its obligation.
The feds didn't steal land from blacks, nor did the government have an official policy of genocide against blacks.
Blacks were never the most oppressed group in America, native americans were.
You have to pay us reparations through your taxes cause its already part of a law that your government passed by signing and ratifying a treaty with the various native american tribes promising to compensate us for our lost lands and the suffering and the genocide white America committed against our people.

Just exactly who discovered who? White people were the ones that invaded the Native American's land... and the indigneous Australians...

Beh, it was only their land until we discovered it. They tried to defend it and they lost (due to inferior technology in arms, strategy, etc). You don't hear the polacks still complaining to the germans, the chinese about the japs, etc.... so why do us Americans let the filthy redskins squeal on.
We turned their squallor and 5,000 years of on-going civil war into the worlds only superpower. Get over it.

I will re-iterate my above post:

Honestly, let's all just acknoweledge that each side made the other side suffer, and get over it!

I have no problems with Natives remembering their heritage, however to complain about past suffering is just passe. Plus, in the name of equality, we'd have to get reparations to every persecuted group in the US.

And speaking of complaining about one's suffering:

My Jewish friend also thinks that certain of his fellow Jews should stop complaining about past suffering (like the Holocaust for his religion's case) and try to move on.

Beh, it was only their land until we discovered it. They tried to defend it and they lost (due to inferior technology in arms, strategy, etc). You don't hear the polacks still complaining to the germans, the chinese about the japs, etc.... so why do us Americans let the filthy redskins squeal on.
We turned their squallor and 5,000 years of on-going civil war into the worlds only superpower. Get over it.
So its ok to take over land as long as you win, great logic.

As a native American, I must say that the US government already to compensate the Native Americans. Its in all the treaties the government signed with the native americans. But the govt. never kept its obligation.
The feds didn't steal land from blacks, nor did the government have an official policy of genocide against blacks.
Blacks were never the most oppressed group in America, native americans were.
You have to pay us reparations through your taxes cause its already part of a law that your government passed by signing and ratifying a treaty with the various native american tribes promising to compensate us for our lost lands and the suffering and the genocide white America committed against our people.

Black or Cherokee or whatever the hell... no one deserves reparations for something my parents, my grandparents, or their parents had nothing to do with. I know that you indians love to bank off of Pity, but grow up, seriously.
Your fore-fathers put up a valiant, but savage effort to defeat mine, and lost-- Fair and Square. Stop whining. It's over. If it were up to me, i wouldn't give a dime or an acre of land to any injun. They have already proven to have the highest unemployment and homeless rates in the United States. Move off the reservation, and contribute to this great nation like a human being. Stop being a bunch of whiney leeches. Amen and God Bless.

Black or Cherokee or whatever the hell... no one deserves reparations for something my parents, my grandparents, or their parents had nothing to do with. I know that you indians love to bank off of Pity, but grow up, seriously.
Your fore-fathers put up a valiant, but savage effort to defeat mine, and lost-- Fair and Square. Stop whining. It's over. If it were up to me, i wouldn't give a dime or an acre of land to any injun. They have already proven to have the highest unemployment and homeless rates in the United States. Move off the reservation, and contribute to this great nation like a human being. Stop being a bunch of whiney leeches. Amen and God Bless.
Saying they have highest unemplyment and homeless maeans you do think they deserve reprocussions and reparations.

Manifest Destiny didn't start until westward expansion.
(Louisianna and Gasden Purchases)
And colonisation was worth the filthy savage indians murdering 347 women and children as they slept?
You disgust me.
We gave the filthy redskin what they deserved, and rammed it down their throats. I have no regrets on the bold decision of my fore-fathers.
God bless the United States of America

I'm afraid you will find yourself more disgusting than I could ever be.
What happened was a result of European colonists being in a place they shouldn't have been in.
Yes, the Indians weren't perfect but at least they didn't pretend they were and the land did belong to them.
To reiterate this point I'm going to come in your house, claim it as mine, shoot you and your family and tell the world that it was mine to start with and that I'm the best.

So its ok to take over land as long as you win, great logic.

Hah, with Soldier to Injun kill ratios of an estimated 13 to 1, we didn't just win.. It was a thing of beauty.

And like I said earlier, we finished what they started.

Saying they have highest unemplyment and homeless maeans you do think they deserve reprocussions and reparations.
They don't deserve anything, it's not my fault their reservations can't run a stable economy. Well, besides the few indians that bank off of casino profits

Manifest Destiny didn't start until westward expansion.
(Louisianna and Gasden Purchases)
And colonisation was worth the filthy savage indians murdering 347 women and children as they slept?
You disgust me.
We gave the filthy redskin what they deserved, and rammed it down their throats. I have no regrets on the bold decision of my fore-fathers.
God bless the United States of America

Uh, the Europeans started taking over Native American land before that. Look at what Columbus and Cortez did. Europeans should have expected a backlash if they invade other people's land. I don't believe in "might makes right".

It seems stormfront is sending a new wave of neonazis. I was hoping this day would never happen again.

Uh, the Europeans started taking over Native American land before that. Look at what Columbus and Cortez did. Europeans should have expected a backlash if they invade other people's land. I don't believe in "might makes right".

It seems stormfront is sending a new wave of neonazis. I was hoping this day would never happen again.
Ya - hey since while you are here, take a look at my post back on page 1.

Hah, with Soldier to Injun kill ratios of an estimated 13 to 1, we didn't just win.. It was a thing of beauty.

And like I said earlier, we finished what they started.

Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? :p

Uh, the Europeans started taking over Native American land before that. Look at what Columbus and Cortez did. Europeans should have expected a backlash if they invade other people's land. I don't believe in "might makes right".

It seems stormfront is sending a new wave of neonazis. I was hoping this day would never happen again.

True, and the backlash was solely on American settlers. For the 3rd time, we finished what the filthy indian started.
And let's not forget the 7-years war.. eh?

In fact, this person is a nutball fascist with all the open mindedness of a cannonball.

I vote we boycott this thread and everything he says on the basis that he's an ignorant bastard who couldn't care less about anyone else.

Hah, with Soldier to Injun kill ratios of an estimated 13 to 1, we didn't just win.. It was a thing of beauty.

And like I said earlier, we finished what they started.
Ok lets say thouasands of Europeans come and settle in america now ignore imigration laws and take over the land that they're on. they have better weapons (dont ask how its not like it gonna happen). They dont start anything, are you going to force them out?

I'm afraid you will find yourself more disgusting than I could ever be.
What happened was a result of European colonists being in a place they shouldn't have been in.
Yes, the Indians weren't perfect but at least they didn't pretend they were and the land did belong to them.
To reiterate this point I'm going to come in your house, claim it as mine, shoot you and your family and tell the world that it was mine to start with and that I'm the best.

The indians had no formal declaration of their land. And the mouse doesn't chase off the Cat because it was there first.. it's just not how things work...The north american continent was in ruins before we got here. We fixed it up and turned it into the worlds only superpower. End of discussion.

Hah, with Soldier to Injun kill ratios of an estimated 13 to 1, we didn't just win.. It was a thing of beauty.

And like I said earlier, we finished what they started.

Actually, the indians never tried to colonise Europe. The settlers were the people who started it. And most people wouldn't call a 13 to 1 kill rate a thing of beauty.

True, and the backlash was solely on American settlers. For the 3rd time, we finished what the filthy indian started.
And let's not forget the 7-years war.. eh?
Actually Americans/colonists started it the Indians just fought back. I dispise you Wasps.

Actually, the indians never tried to colonise Europe. The settlers were the people who started it. And most people wouldn't call a 13 to 1 kill rate a thing of beauty.
Yeah I mean guns verses what bow and arrows

Ok lets say thouasands of Europeans come and settle in america now ignore imigration laws and take over the land that they're on. they have better weapons (dont ask how its not like it gonna happen). They dont start anything, are you going to force them out?

Well, first off, I wouldnt be cowardly enough to kill 347 Women and Children as they slept.. whether here or not. And second.. I probably would fight if I feel the land belonged to me. As the indian did. They lost, move on, grow up.

Actually, the indians never tried to colonise Europe. The settlers were the people who started it. And most people wouldn't call a 13 to 1 kill rate a thing of beauty.

A 13-1 Kill Ratio is a glorious battlefield statistic. The quicker we killed them, the more American lives we saved.

If it were up to me, we would celebrate Custers birthday every July 20th. Amen and GerryOwen.

Yeah I mean guns verses what bow and arrows

It's not my fault they were technologically incapable to compete with advanced American weaponry.
Also, they didn't have the God-Given immune system to fight off dieseases like small pox... which also led to their glorious demise.

Please don't triple-post like that KELHP - it's against forum etiquette

Awe...
the smell of enthnocentrism in the late afternoon.
barf.

Well, first off, I wouldnt be cowardly enough to kill 347 Women and Children as they slept.. whether here or not. And second.. I probably would fight if I feel the land belonged to me. As the indian did. They lost, move on, grow up.

As though "aryans" never did anything like that. Ever heard of the Holocaust?

Long live invasions and may the toughest win!!!

Your comments are nothing but ignorant, frankly.

"We finished what they started..."

Oh yes, as we all know, Indians were just FLOCKING to Europe and slaughtering the whites.

Hello! It was their land, and instead of learning to live peacefully with them, we - both Indians and Europeans - started to engage in war. Europeans, being more advanced, could kill more efficiently. It was no thing of beauty, as you call it. It was open hostility between two groups of people based on the color of their skin, and the languages they spoke.

I don't think our tax dollars should be given to Indians because of what happened centuries ago, however, but they certainly should not have to endure being called "filthy redskins" and the like. That comes from ignorance, arrogance, and downright stupidity.

Black or Cherokee or whatever the hell... no one deserves reparations for something my parents, my grandparents, or their parents had nothing to do with. I know that you indians love to bank off of Pity, but grow up, seriously.
Your fore-fathers put up a valiant, but savage effort to defeat mine, and lost-- Fair and Square. Stop whining. It's over. If it were up to me, i wouldn't give a dime or an acre of land to any injun. They have already proven to have the highest unemployment and homeless rates in the United States. Move off the reservation, and contribute to this great nation like a human being. Stop being a bunch of whiney leeches. Amen and God Bless.
Your racism and ignorance is marked.
Ha, I dont' live on a reservation nor was I raised on one.
Its not a matter of whether you think we deserve it, the treaties (which have the force of law) require it.
Fair and Square? That's debatable.
They may have the highest unemploement rate but that is because people like you stole our resources. The BlackHills belonged to us but you killed thousands of women and children cause you wanted our gold. Then you killed our buffalo to extinction. Plus your racist attitudes that cause our people to be treated like shit in the rest of America. The high unemployment is a direct result of recent prejudice and racism targeting native americans and has nothing to do with the 19th cent.

The other reason for the unemployment and homelessness, poor quality of education and healthcare is because the white government of the United States continues to break its treaty obligations, just like the it breaks its other treaties, as the world can testify to.
The words of the White Americans aren't even worth a shit. They all lie.

As though "aryans" never did anything like that. Ever heard of the Holocaust?

Does this post mention anything about the holocaust?
Or Aryans for that matter?
Learn how to debate, pinhead.
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My re-inactment of little big-horn
hoh hoho ho

Black or Cherokee or whatever the hell... no one deserves reparations for something my parents, my grandparents, or their parents had nothing to do with.

So legal diplomatic treaties and agreements don't apply past 1 generation? How about law in general? You know, you're sitting here at your computer, enjoying your freedom of speech but the Constitution, which guarantees you that right (the right to be an annoying hater) was written well over 200 years ago... do you still see THAT as valid? According to your logic, you shouldn't, and therefore you should logically also agree that you have no rights at all.

Hey we gave the Native Indians smallpox and such diseases and they gave Europeans their land!! Seems a good swap to me!!

The indians had no formal declaration of their land. And the mouse doesn't chase off the Cat because it was there first.. it's just not how things work...The north american continent was in ruins before we got here. We fixed it up and turned it into the worlds only superpower. End of discussion.
That is dumb dumb dumb.
North America was not in ruins. Stop posting, go back and read up on Native history and then come back when you know what you are talking about.

Your comments are nothing but ignorant, frankly.

"We finished what they started..."

Oh yes, as we all know, Indians were just FLOCKING to Europe and slaughtering the whites.

Hello! It was their land, and instead of learning to live peacefully with them, we - both Indians and Europeans - started to engage in war. Europeans, being more advanced, could kill more efficiently. It was no thing of beauty, as you call it. It was open hostility between two groups of people based on the color of their skin, and the languages they spoke.

I don't think our tax dollars should be given to Indians because of what happened centuries ago, however, but they certainly should not have to endure being called "filthy redskins" and the like. That comes from ignorance, arrogance, and downright stupidity.

You show me a written document stating it was recognized Indian land. We arent going to sacrafice the economy and lifestlye of the greatest country in the world to 'please' the savage indians.

Your racism and ignorance is marked.
Ha, I dont' live on a reservation nor was I raised on one.
Its not a matter of whether you think we deserve it, the treaties (which have the force of law) require it.
Fair and Square? That's debatable.
They may have the highest unemploement rate but that is because people like you stole our resources. The BlackHills belonged to us but you killed thousands of women and children cause you wanted our gold. Then you killed our buffalo to extinction. Plus your racist attitudes that cause our people to be treated like shit in the rest of America. The high unemployment is a direct result of recent prejudice and racism targeting native americans and has nothing to do with the 19th cent.

The other reason for the unemployment and homelessness, poor quality of education and healthcare is because the white government of the United States continues to break its treaty obligations, just like the it breaks its other treaties, as the world can testify to.
The words of the White Americans aren't even worth a shit. They all lie.

I know, it's funny. You'd think that the indians would just move off the reservations instead of nibbling on the pity of the US taxpayers. But nope, it's as they've learned nothing from all this.

It's not my fault they were technologically incapable to compete with advanced American weaponry.
Also, they didn't have the God-Given immune system to fight off dieseases like small pox... which also led to their glorious demise.
But we gave you a nice present in exchange, gonohhrea and certain other std's.
Yes gonohrea and vd originated in the America's. The red man has his revenge. :upyours:

Learn how to debate, pinhead.

:p

Hey we gave the Native Indians smallpox and such diseases and they gave Europeans their land!! Seems a good swap to me!!

Hah, Amen friend, Amen.

Does this post mention anything about the holocaust?
Or Aryans for that matter?
Learn how to debate, pinhead.

You simply can't accuse the Native Americans of being savage for killing 350 people without doing the same to "white people" for the Holocaust.

Blimey didn't know that!! :confused: Buggers! :eek:

we also gave the whites tobacco so they could get cancer. And behold they took tobacco, and they got cancer.

So in foresight were the Europeans right to start a rumble with the Native Indians then ?? :)

You show me a written document stating it was recognized Indian land. We arent going to sacrafice the economy and lifestlye of the greatest country in the world to 'please' the savage indians.

They don't NEED documentation, they were HERE, and it's proven in the THOUSANDS of Indian lives lost when the Europeans got greedy for land and money.

They shouldn't have to keep strict documentations abiding by some other country's rules just so they can protect what was rightfully theirs for centuries, especially when those countries were an ocean away. Hey, they LIVE there! Shouldn't we have abided to their laws?

We wouldn't be sacrificing our economy and lifestyle if we just recognized what was rightfully theirs. And Europe had plenty of their own culture back at home - they didn't need to force that on the natives, along with death and disease.

Don't get me wrong, America is a beautiful country that is a melting pot of thousands of different cultures. But to say that the colonizers went about taking land in a civilized manner is absolutely wrong.

You simply can't accuse the Native Americans of being savage for killing 350 people without doing the same to "white people" for the Holocaust.
Fine.. The Nazis were savage for killing Retarded people, turks, prisoners of war, gypsies, etc.. in the holocaust. It was wrong.
It was also wrong for stalin to kill 20+ million of his own people.
Wrong for the Japanese to kill 33+ million Chinamen (largest slaughter of all known-history)

All slaughter is wrong.. I don't know what you're getting at.
We finished what the indian started by slaughtering 347 American women and children. Period.

So in foresight were the Europeans right to start a rumble with the Native Indians then ?? :)
nah, the sob's gave us alchohol and we got stuck with liver and other alchoholism related diseases. Damn those whites.

What's the point of this thread?
Fact is the white and black races are in decline and the native americans are rising from the ashes. For the last couple of decades we had one of our own in the Senate. We have people in the various state and local governments and even in your public schools. Our numbers continue to increase while yours go down. The only people we have to contend with are those pesky mexicans.
In the middle of this century we are taking the white house too. Then we will have reclaimed our land.

Fine.. The Nazis were savage for killing Retarded people, turks, prisoners of war, gypsies, etc.. in the holocaust. It was wrong.
It was also wrong for stalin to kill 20+ million of his own people.
Wrong for the Japanese to kill 33+ million Chinamen (largest slaughter of all known-history)

All slaughter is wrong.. I don't know what you're getting at.
We finished what the indian started by slaughtering 347 American women and children. Period.
those 347 were nothing more than collateral damage. You forebears deliberately targeted women and children, ours did not.

What's the point of this thread?
Fact is the white and black races are in decline and the native americans are rising from the ashes. For the last couple of decades we had one of our own in the Senate. We have people in the various state and local governments and even in your public schools. Our numbers continue to increase while yours go down. The only people we have to contend with are those pesky mexicans.
In the middle of this century we are taking the white house too. Then we will have reclaimed our land.

And, since native american women are usually much better looking then white ones, I say: go for it :p

Fine.. The Nazis were savage for killing Retarded people, turks, prisoners of war, gypsies, etc.. in the holocaust. It was wrong.
It was also wrong for stalin to kill 20+ million of his own people.
Wrong for the Japanese to kill 33+ million Chinamen (largest slaughter of all known-history)

Not to mention the Jews the Nazis killed.

All slaughter is wrong.. I don't know what you're getting at.
We finished what the indian started by slaughtering 347 American women and children. Period.

Except when the Europeans slaughtered the Native Americans, apparently.

What's the point of this thread?
Fact is the white and black races are in decline and the native americans are rising from the ashes. For the last couple of decades we had one of our own in the Senate. We have people in the various state and local governments and even in your public schools. Our numbers continue to increase while yours go down. The only people we have to contend with are those pesky mexicans.
In the middle of this century we are taking the white house too. Then we will have reclaimed our land.

Haha, Crazyhorse 4 prez in 08!
Funny.
Native Americans represent 1.5 % of the US population
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
Most of which are alaskan anyway... You indians have a lot of catching up to do.

Letila, what that poster fails to understand that revenge is also wrong

Haha, Crazyhorse 4 prez in 08!
Funny.
Native Americans represent 1.5 % of the US population
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
Most of which are alaskan anyway... You indians have a lot of catching up to do.

Hey, fuck you man. It would be AWESOME to have a president named "Crazyhorse." He wouldn't have to say anything-he'd just have to give this stoic stare and all the other candidates would just back off.

Not to mention the Jews the Nazis killed.

Shh...he doesn't like Jews. :p

two words "native americans"....another two words "fuck em" they dont control north america anymore simply because europeans were smarter and well equiped to take over period(its called survival of the fittest people and besides there shouldnt be any sympathy for stupidity, in the end their demise is their fault because they werent strong enough to repel the white europeans)

P.S: If the native americans were in our position then they would have done the exact same thing

"you indians"... do you have the mental capacity to realize that people don't exist as groups, but as individuals? Your reasoning is laughable, and I fear there are many others like you out there.

two words "native americans"....another two words "fuck em" they dont control north america anymore simply because europeans were smarter and well equiped to take over period(its called survival of the fittest people and besides there shouldnt be any sympathy for stupidity, in the end their demise is their fault because they werent strong enough to repel the white europeans)

P.S: If the native americans were in our position then they would have done the exact same thing

So if I walk into your house, tie you down, shoot your kids, rape your wife, and then kill you, could I claim your house as my own?

two words "native americans"....another two words "fuck em" they dont control north america anymore simply because europeans were smarter and well equiped to take over period(its called survival of the fittest people and besides there shouldnt be any sympathy for stupidity, in the end their demise is their fault because they werent strong enough to repel the white europeans)

Oh yes, because they weren't quite as advanced as we were, they deserve to be slaughtered.

Alright. We should slaughter all third-world countries, then. And why stop there? Every mentally disabled person in the world isn't as advanced as we are, therefore, they should die. Hey, this kid got less than I did on a test. I therefore have the right to shoot him. It's his own damn fault!

You truly sicken me.

P.S: If the native americans were in our position then they would have done the exact same thing

Okay... even if you COULD prove it, does that make it right? Just because they would have done it too, it justifies the killing of innocent people?

Let's say I walk up to someone and shoot them. Hell, they might have done it to me! That makes it right!

Honestly, learn some decent respect!

http://home.indy.rr.com/bwgoodwi/Don't%20Feed%20the%20Trolls.jpg

two words "native americans"....another two words "fuck em" they dont control north america anymore simply because europeans were smarter and well equiped to take over period(its called survival of the fittest people and besides there shouldnt be any sympathy for stupidity, in the end their demise is their fault because they werent strong enough to repel the white europeans)

P.S: If the native americans were in our position then they would have done the exact same thing

What do you mean by "our position"? I'm white and I sure as hell dont consider myself in the same group as you. And to change your wording, instead of saying there should be no sympathy for stupidity, say there should be no sympathy for ignorance, and then examine your own ignorance....should we exterminate you as well? Survival of the fittest right?

And, since native american women are usually much better looking then white ones, I say: go for it :p
I think they're hideous, personally.
And yeah, they'd be all over you
http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL627/2482533/4915525/62414816.jpg
Haha :fluffle:

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre..

If it's anyone who started it, it was the retarded Americans-- and this is coming from an American. I don't know what you were talking about THEY started it and YOU didn't do anything THAT bad-- the white men came over here, raped their wives and daughters, gave them smallpox-infested blankets, murdered their children, burned their villages to the ground, threatened to kill them if they didn't convert to Christianity, cut down their trees, and took their god damn land!!!! And it's BLACK people or African Americans, not Negroes, unless you're a racist or white supremacist. And next time, get your facts straight before you go around saying you "didn't do anything that bad".

Not to mention the Jews the Nazis killed.



Except when the Europeans slaughtered the Native Americans, apparently.

Sorry I forgot the Jews.. whatever
I think all life is equal.. jewish or not a Death is a Death.
I also excluded lots of other creeds in origins.. but Jews is the only one Bigot Letila cares to mention about.. interesting..

I think they're hideous, personally.
And yeah, they'd be all over you
http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL627/2482533/4915525/62414816.jpg
Haha :fluffle:

You really like that picture of me.

A bit too much, methinks.

Sorry Kel, but I don't swing that way. I'm not a fan of the cock.

So if I walk into your house, tie you down, shoot your kids, rape your wife, and then kill you, could I claim your house as my own?

That would be random violence, not an act of war as we had with the indians. Your example is closest to what the indians did at Jamestown... which was a de facto declaration of war..

Also, lets not forget that the indian wars were not simply the greater technology triumphing... it was the greater civilization, categorically..

I mean, the indians didn't even have the Wheel.. The Wheel, for the love of Pete.. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying anything goes in war, but the indian was an unusal enemy, and we countered unorthodox tactics with unorthodox ones of our own.

I think they're hideous, personally.
And yeah, they'd be all over you
http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL627/2482533/4915525/62414816.jpg
Haha :fluffle:

Actually, I find him rather attractive... I like men with long hair. :D

And before you try to flame me for being a fag, I've got a vagina, which you've probably never seen outside of textbooks and the porn you download. I'm also a white conservative Republican (most of the time) who thinks you're being a total asshat.

And by the way, my God tells me he doesn't like you using his name to try and justify the senseless slaughter of people. Blessing the country is fine, it needs it, but never, ever try to use it to justify the deaths of human beings He created in His image.

And I hope you have a nice day. ^.^

You really like that picture of me.

A bit too much, methinks.

Sorry Kel, but I don't swing that way. I'm not a fan of the cock.
*crows like a cock* kak-á-ua-u!

Actually, I find him rather attractive... I like men with long hair. :D

And before you try to flame me for being a fag, I've got a vagina, which you've probably never seen outside of textbooks and the porn you download. I'm also a white conservative Republican (most of the time) who thinks you're being a total asshat.

And by the way, my God tells me he doesn't like you using his name to try and justify the senseless slaughter of people. Blessing the country is fine, it needs it, but never, ever try to use it to justify the deaths of human beings He created in His image.

And I hope you have a nice day. ^.^
Amen to last paragraph.

And Pepe how do you know they didn't have the wheel?

That would be random violence, not an act of war as we had with the indians. Your example is closest to what the indians did at Jamestown... which was a de facto declaration of war..

Indians? Since when have people from India attacked us at Jamestown? Oh, that's right, you meant Native Americans. (First Nations :P)

Right. So we take them all out just because of one group of NATIVE AMERICANS. Nice logic, there.

Also, lets not forget that the indian wars were not simply the greater technology triumphing... it was the greater civilization, categorically..

And our civilisation was greater... how, exactly? By settling fairly peacefully on their land and initially being friends with them, then suddenly turning our backs, declaring ourselves superior to them and taking their land, which was rightfully theirs, and claiming it as our own, because they had no chance to keep it? Oh, right, that MUST make our civilisation greater... yep... greater military because we need to compensate for something...

I mean, the indians didn't even have the Wheel.. The Wheel, for the love of Pete.. :rolleyes:

They didn't need to. The wheel was invented because of massive trade in Mesopotamia. The Native Americans didn't necessarily have this inter-tribal trade need and as such didn't produce the wheel. This is entirely hypothetical. I don't know if they had the wheel or not and can't vouch either way. I just figured that they wouldn't have the same kind of trades as what they did trade was basically local.

I'm not saying anything goes in war, but the indian was an unusal enemy, and we countered unorthodox tactics with unorthodox ones of our own.

What makes them unusual? That they had bows and arrows? That technologically they were inferior, though they were quite stealthy and cunning? That's quite unusual, mhmm...

Two wrongs don't make a right, and an entire ethnic group should not be centred out for something a tribe or a few tribes do.

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!!

I think it'd be unfair to hold accountable individuals which didn't even exist at that time. . .

Well, first off, I wouldnt be cowardly enough to kill 347 Women and Children as they slept.. whether here or not. And second.. I probably would fight if I feel the land belonged to me. As the indian did. They lost, move on, grow up.

You're right. But realize that the fore-fathers you are so proud of slaughtered just as many innocent natives while they were awake, so they could watch their loved one die.

Just picture it. A man comes into your house and scalps your mother and father. He turns around and scalps you too. You do know that the government paid people for Indian scalps, right?

If anyone is savage it's you for being so stubborn and closeminded. Everybody messed up. The white people massacred, the natives massacred, it happened on both sides. If you're proud of the mindless slaughter conducted by your fore-fathers, then it makes me wonder if you're proud of your forefathers that let slavery exist for as long as it did. You're proud of the forefathers that told the nation that the white men were the only people deserving of human rights, or the liberty to even be called people.

It's humans like you that sicken me. If there is a hell, I can't wait to see you burning in it.

And, since native american women are usually much better looking then white ones, I say: go for it :p

Yay for having a good point!!

Yay for having a good point!!
'Cept I would disagree. White women are generally better looking...especially the ones from Canada *coff* :3

And before you try to flame me for being a fag, I've got a vagina, which you've probably never seen outside of textbooks and the porn you download. I'm also a white conservative Republican (most of the time) who thinks you're being a total asshat.

And by the way, my God tells me he doesn't like you using his name to try and justify the senseless slaughter of people. Blessing the country is fine, it needs it, but never, ever try to use it to justify the deaths of human beings He created in His image.

And I hope you have a nice day. ^.^

Heh, nice repost. Oh, and...

Actually, I find him rather attractive... I like men with long hair. :D
Reeeaalllly? :D

'Cept I would disagree. White women are generally better looking...especially the ones from Canada *coff* :3

Hear, hear. Except for the whole Canada thing..

Also, I wasn't kidding about the wheel... or levers or pulleys or all the basics that forged Western civilization.

Excuses don't change the facts... I can give an excuse why we don't have a cure for cancer or AIDS or Hepatitis, but it doesn't make not having those things good or acceptable. How long would it have taken the indian to develop penicillin or the transistor? Just a question for those who think all civilizations are equal, and no judgments can ever be made...

Heh, nice repost. Oh, and...


Reeeaalllly? :D

Thank you very much. ^.^

And if it weren't for the fact that I'm already with a guy with long hair, I'd be interested, but alas, I am taken. :D But there can still be much lovin', eh? :fluffle:

Yay for platonic molestation! :p ;)

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.


Asshole.

Asshole.

before you rip him a new one, remember that he is just a troll. he trives on the attention. hes been talking like a fool all over the forum. no sense wasting energy on him.

Hear, hear. Except for the whole Canada thing..

Is that my racist thought tingling? Meh, probably me overreacting. ...I only said such because my girlfriend happens to be white. And blonde. And her friends are all white. And bloody hot. Although certain Japanese women do get me... c.c

Also, I wasn't kidding about the wheel... or levers or pulleys or all the basics that forged Western civilization.

They weren't the only things that forged Western civilisation. Regardless, that doesn't make them superior. Environment and location will have different effects on people the different the two variables are. Native Americans simply didn't have the need to eventually come up with them.

Excuses don't change the facts... I can give an excuse why we don't have a cure for cancer or AIDS or Hepatitis, but it doesn't make not having those things good or acceptable. How long would it have taken the indian to develop penicillin or the transistor? Just a question for those who think all civilizations are equal, and no judgments can ever be made... I'm not saying that judgments shouldn't be made. Also, it's a tad unfair to ask a question like how long it would have taken them to create such items. Incidentally, they had a range of treatments for their own ailments, ailments which didn't necessarily exist in Europe. Also, they wouldn't have made the transistor, likely. At least, not something one could call a transistor. No need for it.

A civilisation is only as good as how it can deal with its needs. The "western" civilisation didn't need to take land from its rightful owners, claim it as theirs and brutally opress the peoples who lived there. It's doing the unmoral thing, as I can see, and as such, I don't see how the Western civilisation is the superior.

Ooh. Must stop feeding the trolls. Whoops.

Thank you very much. ^.^

And if it weren't for the fact that I'm already with a guy with long hair, I'd be interested, but alas, I am taken. :D But there can still be much lovin', eh? :fluffle:

Yay for platonic molestation! :p ;)

Yay! :fluffle:

Platonic molestation is our friend :D

before you rip him a new one, remember that he is just a troll. he trives on the attention. hes been talking like a fool all over the forum. no sense wasting energy on him.

I know ... my one word was enough. Being an American Indian I've dealt with stupidity like this before. I find it's best to smile and nod and say, "Oh you are so right! We savages needed to be put in our place. Thank you ever so much for bringing us your great civilization!"

Then I walk away, shaking my head, and mutter "Asshole" under my breath.

Some points I would like to make, though:

1] My tribe never owned slaves.
2] In my tribe, if a man beat his wife or children, he was banished.
3] My tribe knew how to live from the land.
4] My tribe was never ashamed of sex or sexuality.
5] A warrior from my tribe is required to be able to shoot 5 arrows within one minute and be accurate at 150 yards. Sacrificing accuracy, a good bowman can fire 30-40 arrows in a minute. When the Spaniards came, their rifles could only fire - at best, with an outstanding rifleman, on a good day - 2 rounds in a minute and had a range of 50 yards to stay accurate. They had the advantage of horses, which have nothing to do with technology. We adapted to horses within a single generation.
6] When the Spaniards came, they lived with us for a season. We taught them how to farm. We welcomed them and helped them get settled. We did not turn our backs on them or let them starve to death.

I could go on and on, but I won't.

There was nothing superior about the European culture. They beat their women with impunity, they were ashamed of themselves and their bodies, they owned slaves, and they took our kindness and spit on it. If it weren't for us, they would have starved to death, been eaten by bears, or froze to death in Winter.

Stupid white people.

I'm fascinated that the nice man who started this thread has disappeared without commenting on any of the new comments. I would ask if he was afraid of the truth and ran home to mommy, but that wouldn't be very nice. Maybe he's just retreated?

I know ... my one word was enough. Being an American Indian I've dealt with stupidity like this before. I find it's best to smile and nod and say, "Oh you are so right! We savages needed to be put in our place. Thank you ever so much for bringing us your great civilization!"

Then I walk away, shaking my head, and mutter "Asshole" under my breath.

Some points I would like to make, though:

1] My tribe never owned slaves.
2] In my tribe, if a man beat his wife or children, he was banished.
3] My tribe knew how to live from the land.
4] My tribe was never ashamed of sex or sexuality.
5] A warrior from my tribe is required to be able to shoot 5 arrows within one minute and be accurate at 150 yards. Sacrificing accuracy, a good bowman can fire 30-40 arrows in a minute. When the Spaniards came, their rifles could only fire - at best, with an outstanding rifleman, on a good day - 2 rounds in a minute and had a range of 50 yards to stay accurate. They had the advantage of horses, which have nothing to do with technology. We adapted to horses within a single generation.
6] When the Spaniards came, they lived with us for a season. We taught them how to farm. We welcomed them and helped them get settled. We did not turn our backs on them or let them starve to death.

I could go on and on, but I won't.

There was nothing superior about the European culture. They beat their women with impunity, they were ashamed of themselves and their bodies, they owned slaves, and they took our kindness and spit on it. If it weren't for us, they would have starved to death, been eaten by bears, or froze to death in Winter.

Stupid white people.

Hah, 'stupid white people' That's your whole argument...Racist.
Most injun tribes had slaves, and if they didn't they were probably one of weaker more insignificant tribes, like yours.
The Indian had to go, we exterminated the filth, if you're pissed so be it.
And by the way.. your bows and arrows were weak and rarely fatal... I mean think about it... Near the end of the wars the indians had acquired guns through trade.. but did we acquire bows and arrows? haw.

Hah, 'stupid white people' That's your whole argument...Racist.
Most injun tribes had slaves, and if they didn't they were probably one of weaker more insignificant tribes, like yours.
The Indian had to go, we exterminated the filth, if you're pissed so be it.
And by the way.. your bows and arrows were weak and rarely fatal... I mean think about it... Near the end of the wars the indians had acquired guns through trade.. but did we acquire bows and arrows? haw.
every time he says injun i crack up at the ridiculousness of this

every time he says injun i crack up at the ridiculousness of this

I'm disturbed that I agree with you... o.o

That would be random violence, not an act of war as we had with the indians. Your example is closest to what the indians did at Jamestown... which was a de facto declaration of war..

Also, lets not forget that the indian wars were not simply the greater technology triumphing... it was the greater civilization, categorically..

I mean, the indians didn't even have the Wheel.. The Wheel, for the love of Pete.. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying anything goes in war, but the indian was an unusal enemy, and we countered unorthodox tactics with unorthodox ones of our own.

Yeah.. Fight Fire with Fire.
And you're right about the wheel. I don't know whether to feel ashamed for them or just laugh uncontrollably.

So if I came to your house, tied you up, murdered your children, raped your wife, shot you, and then took your house, I would be justified?

Hah, 'stupid white people' That's your whole argument...Racist.
Most injun tribes had slaves, and if they didn't they were probably one of weaker more insignificant tribes, like yours.
The Indian had to go, we exterminated the filth, if you're pissed so be it.
And by the way.. your bows and arrows were weak and rarely fatal... I mean think about it... Near the end of the wars the indians had acquired guns through trade.. but did we acquire bows and arrows? haw.

"exterminated the filth"...

A) I hope a band of beavers attack you and bite off your nipples

B) How stupid ARE you?

C) You aren't worth the 45 seconds I'm taking to write this, asslatke.

every time he says injun i crack up at the ridiculousness of this

me too
it is so over-the-top that it makes everything he says funny.

at least if it weren't so ugly.

So if I came to your house, tied you up, murdered your children, raped your wife, shot you, and then took your house, I would be justified?

I'd probably do the same back to you.. an Eye for an Eye.
Like our response to the indian.. Eye for an Eye.
But when we took their eye the whole world goes up in flames... 200 years later when the liberals ran out of things to whine about

I'd probably do the same back to you.. an Eye for an Eye.
Like our response to the indian.. Eye for an Eye.
But when we took their eye the whole world goes up in flames... 200 years later when the liberals ran out of things to whine about

...I fucking killed you. How are you going to do the same to me?!

"exterminated the filth"...

A) I hope a band of beavers attack you and bite off your nipples

B) How stupid ARE you?

C) You aren't worth the 45 seconds I'm taking to write this, asslatke.

Man, don't insult latkes like that! And his nipples would probably poison the beavers.

His stupidity has been proven. Have you been reading the "why the disrespect?" thread?

Man, don't insult latkes like that! And his nipples would probably poison the beavers.

His stupidity has been proven. Have you been reading the NS-Women thread?

Yes, he's obviously obnoxious and stupid, but he seems to think he's smart. Fine, I'll change the insult. Latkes are cool.

I hope you choke on the nipples the beavers bit off, assnazi.

A civilisation is only as good as how it can deal with its needs. The "western" civilisation didn't need to take land from its rightful owners, claim it as theirs and brutally opress the peoples who lived there. It's doing the unmoral thing, as I can see, and as such, I don't see how the Western civilisation is the superior.

The problem here is: you're not separating the ideal from the implementation.

For example, If I were to hold someone down and force-feed them creamed corn, that doesn't make creamed corn bad - it just makes me a jerk... Whether or not we should have force-fed it to the indians in retaliation for their betrayal is beside the point. We had and still have a civilization that excels that of the red man categorically.

You see, I am of the belief that the great civilization is the more virtuous one, in the sense that Aristotle defined virtue as the fulfillment of Human Potential. Do you think the red man had even begun to scrape the surface of Man's potentiality? You see, the human mind was created to bring life to innovation and ideals, and to explore the boundless nature of the universe.. Western civilization has always held the quest for knowledge as the self-evident goal of Creation, whereas the indian, well, was content to live in filth..

I'm not tying to belittle the indians, but there's just no denying that they were not on the path to any meaningful civilization, and, although the struggle was bloody, they are better off for it.

The problem here is: you're not separating the ideal from the implementation.

For example, If I were to hold someone down and force-feed them creamed corn, that doesn't make creamed corn bad - it just makes me a jerk... Whether or not we should have force-fed it to the indians in retaliation for their betrayal is beside the point. We had and still have a civilization that excels that of the red man categorically.

You see, I am of the belief that the great civilization is the more virtuous one, in the sense that Aristotle defined virtue as the fulfillment of Human Potential. Do you think the red man had even begun to scrape the surface of Man's potentiality? You see, the human mind was created to bring life to innovation and ideals, and to explore the boundless nature of the universe.. Western civilization has always held the quest for knowledge as the self-evident goal of Creation, whereas the indian, well, was content to live in filth..

I'm not tying to belittle the indians, but there's just no denying that they were not on the path to ny meaningful civilization, and, although the struggle was bloody, they are better off for it.

Hear, Hear.

this is frustrating

i have SO much to say on this subject but i refuse to feed a troll

dammit

this is frustrating

i have SO much to say on this subject but i refuse to feed a troll

dammit

Then don't say anything at all... idiot.

It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.

Sure. Those damn indians hated us for our freedoms. Now they're liberated and they should be grateful and get over it!!!

God bless America!

:sniper:

Sure. Those damn indians hated us for our freedoms. Now they're liberated and they should be grateful and get over it!!!

God bless America!

:sniper:

It's amazing how many people live under a rock.

Can I say it wasn't the "Europeans" it was the Spanish, British, Americans. The French worked with the natives, I'd say they were pretty nice(Except the part were they enslaved my race and played a part in the partion of my ancestors homeland).

Do all of you under-educated idiots who are tossing around the term "filthy Indians" even realize where that sterotype originated? When the Europeans settled in the New World, bathing for them was still a special occurence. The tribes in the NW bathed daily. The Europeans concluded that this very hygenic practice must mean that the Native Americans were "filthy" and used it as part of the justification to destroy people and cultures in order to satisfy their greed.

Do you people (and I use that term loosely) who are saying "this happened over two hundred years ago) realize that in spite of being declared citizens by the United States and given the rights recognized therein in the year 1924, it was 1962 before the last state, Utah, recognized the rights of Native Americans to vote?

Do you realize that the United States government made and then broke many treaties with the Native Americans? Reparations have nothing to do with the fact, as despicable as they may be, that European individuals slaughtered Native Americans, took their land, etc. Reparations have everything to do with the fact that a legally existing entity (the US Government) entered into legally binding contracts and then failed to live up to the terms of those contracts.

The problem here is: you're not separating the ideal from the implementation.

For example, If I were to hold someone down and force-feed them creamed corn, that doesn't make creamed corn bad - it just makes me a jerk... Whether or not we should have force-fed it to the indians in retaliation for their betrayal is beside the point. We had and still have a civilization that excels that of the red man categorically.

You see, I am of the belief that the great civilization is the more virtuous one, in the sense that Aristotle defined virtue as the fulfillment of Human Potential. Do you think the red man had even begun to scrape the surface of Man's potentiality? You see, the human mind was created to bring life to innovation and ideals, and to explore the boundless nature of the universe.. Western civilization has always held the quest for knowledge as the self-evident goal of Creation, whereas the indian, well, was content to live in filth..

I'm not tying to belittle the indians, but there's just no denying that they were not on the path to any meaningful civilization, and, although the struggle was bloody, they are better off for it.

Yup.

Yup.

Thanks! ;)

Lived in filth? Compared to Europeans? Please.

Unfortunately for you Pepe, not everyone agrees with Aristotle or cares about the philosophy of "man's potential" or what the human mind was "meant to do."

In fact, you wouldn't either, if someone was in the process of killing you, raping your female relatives and using your dog's rectum to brush their teeth. "Oh don't mind me.. it'll be an unpleasant experience only, but I'm not actually raping your daughter, I'm fulfilling man's potential."

Not that the Europeans of the time brushed their teeth.

Lived in filth? Compared to Europeans? Please.

Unfortunately for you Pepe, not everyone agrees with Aristotle or cares about the philosophy of "man's potential" or what the human mind was "meant to do."

In fact, you wouldn't either, if someone was in the process of killing you, raping your female relatives and using your dog's rectum to brush their teeth. "Oh don't mind me.. it'll be an unpleasant experience only, but I'm not actually raping your daughter, I'm fulfilling man's potential."

Not that the Europeans of the time brushed their teeth.

Hah, what a nut.

Hah, what a nut.

Your logic atounds me.

Care to actually post and provide a point?

Lived in filth? Compared to Europeans? Please.

Unfortunately for you Pepe, not everyone agrees with Aristotle or cares about the philosophy of "man's potential" or what the human mind was "meant to do."

In fact, you wouldn't either, if someone was in the process of killing you, raping your female relatives and using your dog's rectum to brush their teeth. "Oh don't mind me.. it'll be an unpleasant experience only, but I'm not actually raping your daughter, I'm fulfilling man's potential."

Not that the Europeans of the time brushed their teeth.

You're confusing ideology and implementation, just as the other poster did.. and if you have a different ethical system you believe should apply to the indians, I'd like to hear it.

You're confusing ideology and implementation, just as the other poster did.. and if you have a different ethical system you believe should apply to the indians, I'd like to hear it.

Hear, Hear.

Hah, 'stupid white people' That's your whole argument...Racist.

Hmmm ... can't read either, eh? Well, that's ok. You feel free to pull three words out of a lengthy post and call it "the whole thing". That makes you stupid.

Most injun tribes had slaves, and if they didn't they were probably one of weaker more insignificant tribes, like yours.

No. Very few tribes owned slaves. You know nothing about my tribe.

The Indian had to go, we exterminated the filth, if you're pissed so be it.

You were even inept at extermination. After all ... I am here. You didn't wipe us out. I would *love* for you to try again, though.

And by the way.. your bows and arrows were weak and rarely fatal... I mean think about it...

I'll give you a Winchester rifle, circa 1870, and I will use a bow and only one arrow of the variety my people were using when the Spanish first made contact with us in the late 1500s. We will stand 100 yards from each other. Let's see who walks away and who is carried.

Near the end of the wars the indians had acquired guns through trade.. but did we acquire bows and arrows? haw.

Actually, you did acquire bows and arrows from us. We know you know nothing of our history, you're now proving you don't even know your own.

Hmmm ... can't read either, eh? Well, that's ok. You feel free to pull three words out of a lengthy post and call it "the whole thing". That makes you stupid.



No. Very few tribes owned slaves. You know nothing about my tribe.



You were even inept at extermination. After all ... I am here. You didn't wipe us out. I would *love* for you to try again, though.



I'll give you a Winchester rifle, circa 1870, and I will use a bow and only one arrow of the variety my people were using when the Spanish first made contact with us in the late 1500s. We will stand 100 yards from each other. Let's see who walks away and who is carried.



Actually, you did acquire bows and arrows from us. We know you know nothing of our history, you're now proving you don't even know your own.

I can't believe I wasted my time reading that crap.
What a flake.

Just give up its useless to try and talk sense. This one was raised a little to much on the "were superior" ideal.

I can't believe I wasted my time reading that crap.
What a flake.

Well, so we're even. I wasted my time on your crap and even had the decency to reply to it and its "points".

Typical asshole white man.

Just give up its useless to try and talk sense. This one was raised a little to much on the "were superior" ideal.

Hah yeah.. Agreed.
It's amazing what kind of crap they feed those injuns out on the reservation.

Just give up its useless to try and talk sense. This one was raised a little to much on the "were superior" ideal.

Meh ... I like to play with the trolls sometimes. :D

Well, so we're even. I wasted my time on your crap and even had the decency to reply to it and its "points".

Typical asshole white man.

You're lucky the mods arent reading this thread..
Racist.
The Nation States community frowns down upon racism in all forms.. I would honestly lighten up or don't participate in debate.
That is all I have left to say to you.

Hah yeah.. Agreed.
It's amazing what kind of crap they feed those injuns out on the reservation.


Even too stupid to realize the poster was talking about you.

Oh ... and I have never lived on a reservation. My tribe refused your reservations and your Dawes rolls. Many of us still own our original tribal lands. I have 20 acres, myself.

So, take it elsewhere, gimp.

You're lucky the mods arent reading this thread..
Racist.
The Nation States community frowns down upon racism in all forms.. I would honestly lighten up or don't participate in debate.
That is all I have left to say to you.


And calling us "filth" and "savages" isn't racism?

I'm sure the mods have already seen the thread. I'm sure they will take appropriate action.

And calling us "filth" and "savages" isn't racism?

I'm sure the mods have already seen the thread. I'm sure they will take appropriate action.

I called the savage indian 200 years ago 'filth'
I mean.. You could call a Nazi filth and expect a german to take offense? and that was only 50 years ago.
I never said anything like "Bah, typical unemployed drunken bafoon horse-faced injun'
I mean.. seriously... you were the one that pulled the race card, not me.
I see things how they are, Judge-Free.

I called the savage indian 200 years ago 'filth'
I mean.. You could call a Nazi filth and expect a german to take offense? and that was only 50 years ago.
I never said anything like "Bah, typical unemployed drunken bafoon horse-faced injun'
I mean.. seriously... you were the one that pulled the race card, not me.
I see things how they are, Judge-Free.


I'm saying *you* are filth.
I'm saying *you* are a stupid white man (although boy is probably more accurate).
I'm saying *you* are a complete waste of perfectly good skin.

Not your people, now or otherwise, but *you*.

So ... I'm not racist ... I'm anti-You.

I'm saying *you* are filth.
I'm saying *you* are a stupid white man (although boy is probably more accurate).
I'm saying *you* are a complete waste of perfectly good skin.

Not your people, now or otherwise, but *you*.

So ... I'm not racist ... I'm anti-You.

:D

I'm saying *you* are filth.
I'm saying *you* are a stupid white man (although boy is probably more accurate).
I'm saying *you* are a complete waste of perfectly good skin.

Not your people, now or otherwise, but *you*.

So ... I'm not racist ... I'm anti-You.

That is a thing of beauty. I applaud you. Take a bow.

You're lucky the mods arent reading this thread..
Racist.
The Nation States community frowns down upon racism in all forms.. I would honestly lighten up or don't participate in debate.
That is all I have left to say to you.

Quote.
Of.
The.
Day.

:p

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.

What the european americans did to the native americans was, of course, very bad. I also feel bad for the current situation of Native Americans and feel that they need to be helped out of their current funk.

However, we (White people alive today) did nothing to them (native americans alive today). Honestly, if someone did something bad to my great great great grandpa, which is possible because I'm part Irish and the Irish had a hard time of things both in the US and back in Ireland, I wouldn't care. I'm not going to go up to someone and say: "you're great great great grandpa made my great great great grandpa work for inhuman wages, therefore you should give me money!!!".

I agree in giving them a little financial support in the form of scholorships for their youth and for programs designed for pulling them out of poverty, however, I don't believe in reparations.

Definetly is.

Well, first off, I wouldnt be cowardly enough to kill 347 Women and Children as they slept.. whether here or not. And second.. I probably would fight if I feel the land belonged to me. As the indian did. They lost, move on, grow up.


Really? Then what do you say about the countless massacres of native american women and children?

Ok, so someone breaks into your house and then tells you to move out because they say they own it... are you not going to fight them?

Black or Cherokee or whatever the hell... no one deserves reparations for something my parents, my grandparents, or their parents had nothing to do with. I know that you indians love to bank off of Pity, but grow up, seriously.
Your fore-fathers put up a valiant, but savage effort to defeat mine, and lost-- Fair and Square. Stop whining. It's over. If it were up to me, i wouldn't give a dime or an acre of land to any injun. They have already proven to have the highest unemployment and homeless rates in the United States. Move off the reservation, and contribute to this great nation like a human being. Stop being a bunch of whiney leeches. Amen and God Bless.


So...the next generation being born in the States will have no right to 'whine' about the terrorist attacks upon the US? I mean, really...what's the difference? The fundamentalists want what you have, or hate you enough to do you harm. Which...by your standards, makes it ok...as long as they win.

Hell while we're at it, I suppose you're not going to "whine" when you find out that the local pig farmer was the better man in the sack...and so you've lost your wife? You must be a tough guy...God Bless ignorance and the sincere hope that you are never able to breed.
Amen!

What the european americans did to the native americans was, of course, very bad. I also feel bad for the current situation of Native Americans and feel that they need to be helped out of their current funk.

However, we (White people alive today) did nothing to them (native americans alive today). Honestly, if someone did something bad to my great great great grandpa, which is possible because I'm part Irish and the Irish had a hard time of things both in the US and back in Ireland, I wouldn't care. I'm not going to go up to someone and say: "you're great great great grandpa made my great great great grandpa work for inhuman wages, therefore you should give me money!!!".

I agree in giving them a little financial support in the form of scholorships for their youth and for programs designed for pulling them out of poverty, however, I don't believe in reparations.

Agreed. If everyone could just sue their ethnic superiors of yore, we'd have the Greeks suing the Italians, Chinese suing the Mongols and the Japs, Armenians suing the Turks, etc. ad. nauseum... :(

God Bless ignorance and the sincere hope that you are never able to breed.
Amen!

I have developed many proposals to prevent just that sort of thing. Among my favorite was my plan to train scrotum-seeking attack weasels. :)

So...the next generation being born in the States will have no right to 'whine' about the terrorist attacks upon the US? I mean, really...what's the difference? The fundamentalists want what you have, or hate you enough to do you harm. Which...by your standards, makes it ok...as long as they win.

Hell while we're at it, I suppose you're not going to "whine" when you find out that the local pig farmer was the better man in the sack...and so you've lost your wife? You must be a tough guy...God Bless ignorance and the sincere hope that you are never able to breed.
Amen!

I don't think anyone's asking for 'reparations' from the arabs... :rolleyes: That is the topic of the thread, after all, and not just an argument over whether bad things have ever happend throughout history..

Agreed. If everyone could just sue their ethnic superiors of yore, we'd have the Greeks suing the Italians, Chinese suing the Mongols and the Japs, Armenians suing the Turks, etc. ad. nauseum... :(

Hah yeah.. and besides.. We should be suing the Indians if anything. At least our case would be more valid.
Jamestown Massacre. Let's never forget.

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.

I agree with you that people need to stop living in the past and learning what they can do today, for example: On the Navajo reservation we have running water, nice roads, and a superb hospital. We didn't get these gifts by bitching about our plite and historical mishaps. But, your example that "we're just finishing what they started", applied to this, or any war implies that the victor is right or correct. That assumption is infantile ;)

the Jamestown massacre was nothing compared to the thousands of native americans who were brutally killed when settlers wanted their land.

Even the Cherokee nation, who had an organized society and formed a government for themselves based on the US constitution, who adopted advanced farming practices and tried to emulate the US, even they had their land (which they did make a claim to) stolen from them.

I agree with you that people need to stop living in the past and learning what they can do today, for example: On the Navajo reservation we have running water, nice roads, and a superb hospital. We didn't get these gifts by bitching about our plite and historical mishaps. But, your example that "we're just finishing what they started", applied to this, or any war implies that the victor is right or correct. That assumption is infantile ;)

Well, sir, I do respect your opinion.. and commend the Navajo.
It's just so typical (as you see throughout the thread) that the Indian desires some kind of pity.
Hard work has and will always be the American way.. and i'll be damned if i'm going to let a social leech, indian or not, stand in our path of righteousness.

Heh. Jamestown. If a bunch of oddball strangers from across the sea arrived and built a town nearby, and started prattling on about 'owning' what cannot be owned. YOu know, like land. I'd probably not take any chances either.

That was the really messed up part about europeans buying land from the native population here. They thought the europeans were the idiots. To the native way of thinking, it was like walking up to some guy on the street and offering him money for some sunshine. Heh.

the Jamestown massacre was nothing compared to the thousands of native americans who were brutally killed when settlers wanted their land.

Even the Cherokee nation, who had an organized society and formed a government for themselves based on the US constitution, who adopted advanced farming practices and tried to emulate the US, even they had their land (which they did make a claim to) stolen from them.

Jamestown massacre= First Aggression

Jamestown massacre= First Aggression

Actually, that is complete and utter bullshit. Cortez and Colombus' massacres and subjugations = first aggression.

Hey, and if some asshole showed up in your house and claimed to own it when your family had been living there for generations, and tried to force you out, you wouldn't be happy about it either.

I mean, the indians didn't even have the Wheel.. The Wheel, for the love of Pete.. :rolleyes:



Anyone care to explain to me how White Europeans might be able to claim the invention of the wheel?

Anyone care to explain to me how White Europeans might be able to claim the invention of the wheel?

Good point. Wasn't the wheel invented in Ancient Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq)?

Anyway, it's getting late, and I have to get up early tomarrow, so I'm off.

Hard work has and will always be the American way..

Oh boy ... my sides hurt from laughing so hard ...

You people couldn't even grow crops here until *we* taught you how to do it!

Your great accomplishments? Drive-through restaurants, drive-by shootings, drive-up ATMs ... you don't even like to peel your fat ass out of your car!

You talk about the Jamestown massacre, but do you know which tribe did it? You blame all tribes for the actions of one tribe, yet refuse to accept the blame for something a different branch of your own people did?

My tribe was nowhere near Jamestown, had never been anywhere near Jamestown, and had nothing to do with any shenanigans or goings on in Jamestown at any time in our tribal history.

You also say that the slaughter of the Native people was a payback for Jamestown. Jamestown was burned to the ground in 1679 and the "payback" happened 200 years later.

Now ... how come your people can take 200 years to "pay back" my people for something we didn't even do in the first place, but I can't come and take your land now ... 150 years later ...

See? You're just a stupid white asshole. Deal with it. Get it tattoed on your forehead.

Good point. Wasn't the wheel invented in Ancient Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq)?

Anyway, it's getting late, and I have to get up early tomarrow, so I'm off.

Who cares where it was invented.. The europeans had been using it for over thousands of years prior to discovery of the indian..

Who cares where it was invented.. The europeans had been using it for over thousands of years prior to discovery of the indian..

As were the indians before the discovery of the white man. The Mayans had them too. :)

I don't think anyone's asking for 'reparations' from the arabs... :rolleyes: That is the topic of the thread, after all, and not just an argument over whether bad things have ever happend throughout history..

I see your point, mayhaps I should have clarified. My reply was was pointed more at the amount of times the word "whine" was being brought up. After serious callous racist comments, the original poster wished that the native people would quit whining about how they lost their land, their culture and basically got slaughtered.
Don't get me wrong, every nation's history is ripe with similar guilty stories...but to hear a person who's probably never even faced life threating violence, tell someone to quit whining is asnine.

Disagreeing with an old treaty is one thing, racial slurs and an apathetic outlook on a people's suffering is quite another.

p.s-I think it also depends on your definition of 'reparations'. It would seem there are people (both deserving and not) who are paying heavy "reparations" for the actions of a few radicals at this very moment.

Who cares where it was invented.. The europeans had been using it for over thousands of years prior to discovery of the indian..

We had the wheel for thousands of years before you came along.

You're just too ignorant for words.

Let me guess ... you're 11?

I was watching C-Span the other day and believe it or not there was still some Indian (native american) blathering on his people being killed 200 years ago and demanded reparations. I know he probably got this idea because of the negroes, but even still.
It's been 200 years!! Not that we Americans did anything that bad in the first place... I mean, the Indians started it in the first place if anyone is familiar with the Jamestown massacre.. We just finished what they started, end of story.
People, we need to grow out. Whether black, mexican, indian or what have you.. grow out of it.
Amen and God Bless.

Wouldn't it be just like Satan to use the term GOD BLESS while spewing such hate filled vile? lol - god one dark lord... you crazy father of lies you.

Wouldn't it be just like Satan to use the term GOD BLESS while spewing such hate filled vile? lol - god one dark lord... you crazy father of lies you.
Very very good point i just realised that.

Kel, you are sick. I am white, and just as proud of my heritage as the next guy. I am not proud of the acts of my forefathers in commiting genocide. It was wrong. All you are doing is giving all the white population, all of us, a bad image. Using faulty logic doesn't help any.

1. The Jamestown Massacare was not the beginging of it, the spanish conquestodors were. They came and slaughtered hundreds if not thousands of native americans. And don't go trying to say that that was the spanish and it shouldn't affect others, or that it was in a different area so it doesn't affect others or you defet your own logic. There were hundreds of indian nations, some of them very peaceful and coperative, but you do not seem to differentiate one from the other, so don't expect them to.

2. Hitler was better equiped, had better strategy, and took over Europe as easily as we took over this continent (and a good deal faster). Does that make him right or justified. He could even claim that the rest of Europe started it in World War I. Germany was not the agressor in that war, and that is where the roots of WW II started to grow.

3. The main reason for the high homeless and unemployment rate of the native americans is due to the spot in society that they have been assigned by us. We have not, and to an extent, still will not allow them to progress on the social ladder. Don't go blaming there problems that we caused on the "fact" that we are superior.

4. You seem to be doing more mitching and boning about it than they are, so quit coming down on them for having an opinion. (most of theirs are a good deal more justified than yours, with a stronger basis in fact)

5. You say that the continent was in shambles before we came. This is not true. Different than our society does not equate to a society in shambles. I bet you wouldn't mind to hunt and fish all day, never have to go to work, and to be able to go virtually anywhere anytime. Money was never an issue to them, and look at all the problems it causes us. Niether soicety was ideal, and niether is an improvement over the other. We are not superior to these people just because we committed genocide, that would make us morally inferior.

6. You keep saying that this was so long ago that it doesn't matter anyways so why do you keep blathering on about it. But it wasn't all that long ago. There was indian hunting within the last hundred years. Within the lifetime of people I know.

These people are just as much a human as you are. (I am starting to think that they are more human than you.) Your digging your own grave man. Do it for yourself. Don't bring the rest of your white "friends" into this.

We had the wheel for thousands of years before you came along.

You're just too ignorant for words.

Let me guess ... you're 11?

The indians had never invented the wheel. Ever.

The indians had never invented the wheel. Ever.

Ignorance of facts doesn't change them. The Mayans used the wheel in ways that most europeans couldn't understand. Not just for lugging their pillaged booty. But for astronomy and architecture and medicine.

You show me a written document stating it was recognized Indian land. We arent going to sacrafice the economy and lifestlye of the greatest country in the world to 'please' the savage indians.

Here is a large collection of treaties made between the government of the US and the Indians:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/ntreaty/ntreaty.htm

And from your postings, it appears that you are the savage here.

Kel, you are sick. I am white, and just as proud of my heritage as the next guy. I am not proud of the acts of my forefathers in commiting genocide. It was wrong. All you are doing is giving all the white population, all of us, a bad image. Using faulty logic doesn't help any.

1. The Jamestown Massacare was not the beginging of it, the spanish conquestodors were. They came and slaughtered hundreds if not thousands of native americans. And don't go trying to say that that was the spanish and it shouldn't affect others, or that it was in a different area so it doesn't affect others or you defet your own logic. There were hundreds of indian nations, some of them very peaceful and coperative, but you do not seem to differentiate one from the other, so don't expect them to.

2. Hitler was better equiped, had better strategy, and took over Europe as easily as we took over this continent (and a good deal faster). Does that make him right or justified. He could even claim that the rest of Europe started it in World War I. Germany was not the agressor in that war, and that is where the roots of WW II started to grow.

3. The main reason for the high homeless and unemployment rate of the native americans is due to the spot in society that they have been assigned by us. We have not, and to an extent, still will not allow them to progress on the social ladder. Don't go blaming there problems that we caused on the "fact" that we are superior.

4. You seem to be doing more mitching and boning about it than they are, so quit coming down on them for having an opinion. (most of theirs are a good deal more justified than yours, with a stronger basis in fact)

5. You say that the continent was in shambles before we came. This is not true. Different than our society does not equate to a society in shambles. I bet you wouldn't mind to hunt and fish all day, never have to go to work, and to be able to go virtually anywhere anytime. Money was never an issue to them, and look at all the problems it causes us. Niether soicety was ideal, and niether is an improvement over the other. We are not superior to these people just because we committed genocide, that would make us morally inferior.

These people are just as much a human as you are. (I am starting to think that they are more human than you.) Your digging your own grave man. Do it for yourself. Don't bring the rest of your white "friends" into this.

Cortez and Pizarro were spanish.. and slaughtered mostly spic-indians.
And as far as hitler.. you don't hear the polish and french demanding reparation damage.. Hm?
Actually, from the good-grace of 1950s America (the marshall plan) we rebuilt it for em.
Anyhow, that's besides the point
Indians got in the way of progress, good progress, and needed to be destroyed. The end.