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I want to hold our own little debate here on the Nationstates Forum, with commentary from both the Left and the Right supporting our respective candidates. Obviously, to do that, I need two people...a neutral moderator (I would prefer an undecided voter), and someone who backs George W. Bush, since I am a Kerry man.

The audience can watch the arguments unfold (there will be five to six topics chosen by the moderator), and can vote on who is winning the debate. The audience can watch, tag, and bump, but should otherwise remain quiet until the debate is concluded. The two open positions are on a first come, first serve basis.

I want to hold our own little debate here on the Nationstates Forum, with commentary from both the Left and the Right supporting our respective candidates. Obviously, to do that, I need two people...a neutral moderator (I would prefer an undecided voter), and someone who backs George W. Bush, since I am a Kerry man.

The audience can watch the arguments unfold (there will be five to six topics chosen by the moderator), and can vote on who is winning the debate. The audience can watch, tag, and bump, but should otherwise remain quiet until the debate is concluded. The two open positions are on a first come, first serve basis.

Will there be punch and pie? :)

I'd prefer to throw my vote away on the independent candidate. but then again, i'm not American. so oh well.

Yeah, why not? Cookies for everybody. :D

I support George W Bush. Bring it on.

Yeah, why not? Cookies for everybody. :D

Ok I'm in.

Now where's the pie?

Democratic Podium- Shalrirorchia
Republican Podium - Psylos

Moderator- ???????


And Psylos, as soon as I start the debate, it will be in a separate thread, and I WILL send you a message saying it has started. :D

You won't stand more than 2 minutes.
Tell your mum to be ready for your return.

Democratic Podium- Shalrirorchia
Republican Podium - Psylos

Moderator- ???????


And Psylos, as soon as I start the debate, it will be in a separate thread, and I WILL send you a message saying it has started. :D

I'll be pie taster!

I'm gonna streak the debate. You've been warned

*CanuckHeaven* offers his services as the impartial Kerry will win debate moderator. :D

Canuck, if no independent asks for it, you can be mod if you can be neutral :D

Canuck, if no independent asks for it, you can be mod if you can be neutral :DOR I can be mod as well, unless you are a coward of course (but what should I expect from a liberal anyway?)

Canuck, if no independent asks for it, you can be mod if you can be neutral :D
Actually, I like your open letter to Ohio too much to be impartial over such an important matter. :cool:

Good luck in the debate!! Actually just the facts should win it for you.

OR I can be mod as well, unless you are a coward of course (but what should I expect from a liberal anyway?)

You can't be the moderator too! That would give you an unfair advantage, because you could phrase and choose the questions best suited for you! :>

You can't be the moderator too! That would give you an unfair advantage, because you could phrase and choose the questions best suited for you! :>Anything I could ask would be better balanced than that of a liberal liar.

Which is why we need a neutral moderator! :)

Still waiting on a pie.

Planta Genestae. do you want to be the moderator? Seriously?

Which is why we need a neutral moderator! :)
Congratulations Einstein. You've made it! If only you could use that piece of brain before voting...
Either a neutral or a republican one, I don't mind. Just not a liberal liar.

I am a liberal, but I am not a liar. And a moderate, neutral one is best.

Can't the unbiased moderator be an non-US national like me?


I want to hold our own little debate here on the Nationstates Forum, with commentary from both the Left and the Right supporting our respective candidates. Obviously, to do that, I need two people...a neutral moderator (I would prefer an undecided voter), and someone who backs George W. Bush, since I am a Kerry man.

The audience can watch the arguments unfold (there will be five to six topics chosen by the moderator), and can vote on who is winning the debate. The audience can watch, tag, and bump, but should otherwise remain quiet until the debate is concluded. The two open positions are on a first come, first serve basis.

I am a liberal, but I am not a liar. And a moderate, neutral one is best.Oh yes of course a neutral moderator that you will choose wisely so he is neutral enough to support Kerry the liar.
Liar.

Can't the unbiased moderator be an non-US national?

That would also be acceptable.

That would also be acceptable.
And preferably a european pinko socialist please.
Liar.

And Psylos, you can have a chance to veto the moderator if you don't think he'll be neutral. By that I mean not predisposed to either the Republican or Democratic views.

And preferably a european pinko socialist please.
Liar.

bring it on, american republican.

P.S. I like how you sign all of your posts with "Liar" :p

I have to go to lunch, then class. So I'll be gone for perhaps three hours. I have petitioned the moderator (of the Nationstates Forum) to give the debate thread temporary "Sticky" status once it is created.

Planta Genestae. do you want to be the moderator? Seriously?

Why not?

No name calling, please.

Why not?

Okay, Planta. You're the moderator, unless Psylos objects.

No name calling, please.

Seriously if you need a mod I'll do it.

bring it on, american republican fag.I veto this one.

Seriously if you need a mod I'll do it.
Are you a liberal?

I veto this one.

sorry, i removed the fag bit from my post.

was for u callin me a pinko

Are you a liberal?

I don't really have any political affiliation. I don'tlike to insult myself by giving me a label. I have principles and I have beliefes but they are my own, not someone elses that I have borrowed. I am European though so may be able to provide a bit of neutrality.

I don't really have any political affiliation. I don'tlike to insult myself by giving me a label. I have principles and I have beliefes but they are my own, not someone elses that I have borrowed. I am European though so may be able to provide a bit of neutrality.
From the UK?

From the UK?

Of course. I did do American Politics at A Level and am continuing with some of it at Degree though so I am far from ignorant of American Politics.

It is just that as a foreigner, I can perhaps see things from a perspective not so subjective as yours. I can't promise absolute objectivity, but I can promise that I will not be deliberately biased.

Of course.
OK I take this one.
Until I find out he is a liberal liar ... then I eject him.

Good.

I like how Psylos wouldn't accept until he found out he was from GB, like he will be conservative because he is British.

At wich hour do you start and wich timezone (US? East or West cost?), GMT (England), GMT+1 (Western EU)?

Other?

Wow, this debate is really hot :confused:

I expect that this will be highly entertaining. Those of you who know Psylos know why.

I expect that this will be highly entertaining. Those of you who know Psylos know why.

Hi, when does it starts? (At wich channel :p )

in RL i am a registered non-partisan and i would love to moderate the debate but i think it should be town hall style with nationstates members TGing their questions to a moderator and then the best be addresed in this forum

I will start the thread at or around 3:00PM EST today. It will continue to run for as long as is required to answer all the questions, or until Nov. 2, whichever comes first. :D

in RL i am a registered non-partisan and i would love to moderate the debate but i think it should be town hall style with nationstates members TGing their questions to a moderator and then the best be addresed in this forum

I like this idea. If Psylos agrees, and the moderator is willing to put up with getting barraged by questions, then Town Hall will be fine.

We need more than two parties.

I suggest you open up some positions for:

Libertarian
Green
Constitution
1 or 2 Independents

I will allow a Green Party rep to join the debate if the Republican agrees.

First, we need some ground rules, if I may be so bold as to suggest them. We will attempt to follow debate rules.

This means no ad hominem attacks. Simply calling someone a liar is unacceptible. If you think your opponent is being untruthful, please be specific and back up your charge with sources. The moderator will be in charge of accepting or rejecting the sources cited.

No "straw man" arguments. Restating your opponents position in an untruthful or overly simplistic way in order to attack the degraded position is not allowed.

Avoid labels and generalizations. Simply calling someone a conservative or a liberal is not proof of the weakness of their argument. Again, attack the assertions and specific points, not the debater.

I propose a fact checker for both sides. They will not be able to add new points to the argument, but will be in charge of researching the points already presented. Perhaps a different thread would be appropriate for that. The debaters can appoint their fact-checker. The moderator has the power to accept or reject the facts in dispute at that point.

Do not dodge the questions. If the question is about your own position, do not deflect it by attacking your opponent's position, though one can still compare and contrast.

Well, I really don't know who I prefer so I'll be an independent moderator.

I'll take those suggestions!

First, we need some ground rules, if I may be so bold as to suggest them. We will attempt to follow debate rules.

This means no ad hominem attacks. Simply calling someone a liar is unacceptible. If you think your opponent is being untruthful, please be specific and back up your charge with sources. The moderator will be in charge of accepting or rejecting the sources cited.

No "straw man" arguments. Restating your opponents position in an untruthful or overly simplistic way in order to attack the degraded position is not allowed.

Avoid labels and generalizations. Simply calling someone a conservative or a liberal is not proof of the weakness of their argument. Again, attack the assertions and specific points, not the debater.

I propose a fact checker for both sides. They will not be able to add new points to the argument, but will be in charge of researching the points already presented. Perhaps a different thread would be appropriate for that. The debaters can appoint their fact-checker. The moderator has the power to accept or reject the facts in dispute at that point.

Do not dodge the questions. If the question is about your own position, do not deflect it by attacking your opponent's position, though one can still compare and contrast.

Excellent- now all we need is a forum moderator who can enforce these rules...

Well, I really don't know who I prefer so I'll be an independent moderator.

Welcome to the team, Sars :)

I will allow a Green Party rep to join the debate if the Republican agrees.

I think it would be best to include a Libertarian too as that would cover all the bases of the political theatre at least mildly adequately.

Excellent- now all we need is a forum moderator who can enforce these rules...

Let's make SARS the rule monkey. He'll come down on any of the debaters when we break the rules :D

I think it would be best to include a Libertarian too as that would cover all the bases of the political theatre at least mildly adequately.

The Libertarians can have a rep too, again provided the Republican agrees.

*CanuckHeaven* offers his services as the impartial Kerry will win debate moderator. :D
*highlight*

Anything I could ask would be better balanced than that of a liberal liar.
AHHH I HATE LIBRULZ!!11!! KILL EM ALL TEY'RE UNPATRIOTIC!!111!!shift1!

I will allow a Green Party rep to join the debate if the Republican agrees.
What is the green party...I've heard of Liberatarian, Democrat, and republican but not Green?

http://www.gp.org

I can't believe if you haven't heard of Green Party. :)

The Forum is set at:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366713

What is the green party...I've heard of Liberatarian, Democrat, and republican but not Green?

The Green party is to the left of the Democrats. They are anti-big business, pro environment, and somewhat socialistic. They also support proportional representation, rather than winner takes all.

The Green party is to the left of the Democrats. They are anti-big business, pro environment, and somewhat socialistic. They also support proportional representation, rather than winner takes all.
According to Green Website they were against war in Afganistan. They are too passive I think.

I do agree with Patriot Act stance, i'm against it.

Both Democrats and Repubs try to increae military but I thought Repubs say Clinton lowered it? Are greens lying or are republicans?

Actually Democrats do support getting rid of Global warming it lied.

Kerry has a form of National Health service so Greens are wrong.

Many of the greens policies are bad and there are much better supported idea in democrats according to greens.

But in general if the presidency wasn't at stake they might be a consideration.

The thing with the Democratic party is because there ARE conservative democrats whereas there aren't any conservative Greens.

bump

It seems like there aren't many people interested in an intelligent debate around here.

It seems like there aren't many people interested in an intelligent debate around here.

Intelligent and debate don't go together on this forum