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I hadn’t thought about this before ! Most of us haven't thought about this no matter how much we like or dislike John Kerry.

WOW! Those figures have to be staggering. You will pay upkeep/Secret Service for 5 Kerry mansions.


He is one of the richest Senators in Government. When someone is elected president, it means the Secret Service has to protect the President and his family as well as his property.



The Kerry's have five US properties not counting the several foreign properties they own too. The cost to run these homes are more than what the average American could afford, even if the rent was free, and all you had to pay the water, gas &electric. Including ground keepers, maintenance, pool, and house keepers. To be President would require the taxpayers to pay for all that now if elected. Including a complete staffed Secret Service security 24 hours a day. In addition to that we will have to pay for each of their homes for security improvements even if they never go to them all, that is, that just in case. Who do you think will pay for all this? We Pay! This takes all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us



Nevertheless, factor another major cost to Americans that Kerry does not want you to know about.

Becoming president would automatically include taking care of all their properties with Secret Service Agents that includes 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days of the year for the rest of their lives so long as they own those properties. It comes with being President, once you are elected. It requires us the taxpayers, to pay for this as well as his annual salary, as well as his retirements including the cost of living adjustments to boot, plus salaries and protection for all their real estate property, plus Secret Service Agents, and pay the bills for the rest of his life. In addition, feed the Secret Service Agents and rotate new ones every 6 hours for the rest of his life.



Do the math. Five properties need to be protected. This requires five Secret Service Agents per shift, daily every six hours, per property! That is 20 Secret Service Agents per day per property everyday including Holidays. Wow, what does that cost?



Lets say an average of 20 agents per property, each earning a about $60K per agent to survey the perimeters and protect. Now times that by five properties so far. That is if the Kerrys do not buy any more properties afterwards. This also includes the Agents vehicles and repairs, gas, meals, days off, paid vacation, and medical plan visits etc per agent.



Who pays? YOU pay, the whole time they are alive after becoming President! Is this the best use of our tax money electing Kerry to take care of all their properties, both foreign and domestic? On the other hand, shouldn't he pay for his own? Yet, the Presidential salary could not afford it.



The more I think about paying for Kerrys properties everyday, just makes me happy keeping President Bush all the more merrier. Without raising taxes to boot.



How on earth would Kerry pay for everyone to have Healthcare, increase our military, and have us pay to protect his investments, all without raising our taxes? "Tax and spend Kerry" is his party motto.



Which really has to make you wonder why anyone with his wealth, would take a salary of that of a U.S. Senator, never mind wanna be President? Do you believe now why he needs to be the Prez? To serve the people? On the other hand, the people serve Him and his wife!



Please do America a favor and pass this to your friends. Lets keep Bush a resident in the White House, and not have to protect another Kerry house.

All I can do is cough and say "bullshit" at the same time

How many houses does Bush own?

I think you're highlighting something wrong with the system, not something wrong with Kerry.

How many houses does Bush own?

I think you're highlighting something wrong with the system, not something wrong with Kerry.

Thats true.

What about Cheney. He owns property in at least two states. (thats how he claimed to be from Wyoming while he has lived in Texas for the last umpteen years)

Thats true.

I know. That's why I said it. GET YOUR OWN ARGUMENT!!

What? What was that? He agrees with you so don't criticise him? What do you - oh, oh right. Yes.

Hurrah, that's my boy! Keep it up, old feller!

I think you're highlighting something wrong with the system, not something wrong with Kerry.
That's what you get when politicans are all in some way involved in big business... :mad:

This is just rediculous, how is this even an issue?

I know. That's why I said it. GET YOUR OWN ARGUMENT!!

What? What was that? He agrees with you so don't criticise him? What do you - oh, oh right. Yes.

Hurrah, that's my boy! Keep it up, old feller!

:D LOL

So you're saying that by electing Kerry there'd be a lot less unemployed people?

Its an issue because we have to pay for the upkeep on his property! Our taxes will go even higher if Kerry is president! How many houses does Bush own? ah ONE! His ranch in Texas and the white house if you want to count that. So dont try playing that game! Its impossible for Kerry to lower taxes when just the upkeep on his property alone is gonna raise them sky high!

Wow, the criteria Americans say is important for our president, keep sinking further and further. We've said we don't care if they are articulate, can think on their feet, believe they are on a personal mission from god or make decisions based on what his gut tells him rather than facts. Now we SHOULDN'T elect someone because of how many properties they own?!

Stop, stop, it hurts!! Oh these threads make me chuckle.

Perhaps the US could pass a law and take the upkeep for Kerry's properties (when he becomes President :) ), out of Dick Cheney's Halliburton slush fund?

Is it me or does Kerry constantly looked shagged out after a long night's squawk?

Its an issue because we have to pay for the upkeep on his property! Our taxes will go even higher if Kerry is president! How many houses does Bush own? ah ONE! His ranch in Texas and the white house if you want to count that. So dont try playing that game! Its impossible for Kerry to lower taxes when just the upkeep on his property alone is gonna raise them sky high!
Okay...let's exeggerate and say Kerry owns 100 houses. Guarded by 4 guards per 6 hour shift. That makes 16 guards per day. 1600 total guards, and say that get $100,000/year, that makes them cost the people of the United States... $160,000,000/year. Just remember that Kerry doesn't actually own that many properties and I doubt that security guards earn that much per year, but...$160million dollars per year for the rest of John Kerry's life divided by 293ish million (the estimated 2004 population of the United States) comes out to a little over half a dollar per person per year. You can't even buy a enough gas to last you for the week for the price it would cost you to protect John Kerry's properties with these exeggerated numbers...

NOT ONLY THAT, but by your logic, we should always re-elect a president otherwise we'd increase the number of guards we use faster than we need to and it would cost the government too much...



EDIT: And that's not to mention the 1600 new people you just employed, helping to fight unemployment and fix the economy...

Can you please do the maths for us and post how much it will cost per year? Can we then please compare it with the defense budget?

:mp5:

a price worth paying for not having a dense idiot called bush in the white house, I can hardly see the security costs of 5 houses toppling the american economy. Seriously how can you sleep at night knowing bush is the president with his finger on the red button. The world sees bush as a joke, the amount of stupid things he's said it defies belief that people actually want him as a president.

Its an issue because we have to pay for the upkeep on his property! Our taxes will go even higher if Kerry is president! How many houses does Bush own? ah ONE! His ranch in Texas and the white house if you want to count that. So dont try playing that game! Its impossible for Kerry to lower taxes when just the upkeep on his property alone is gonna raise them sky high!
How much is it costing for the ill advised war in Iraq?

The Unbearable Cost of Running Iraq

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul101.html

The War In Iraq Cost the United States

http://www.costofwar.com/index-kids-health.html

Paying for Kerry's security would only be a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of Bush's Wars?

Can you please do the maths for us and post how much it will cost per year? Can we then please compare it with the defense budget?
See the post right above yours.

Another factor that has been forgotten here is that Kerry wants a new $7/hr minimum wage. I don't have the stats as to how many people that would effects, but I do know that for me personally, it means I'm earning another $1.30/hr, which means, without raising tax rates, a lot of people will be paying in more in taxes but when it comes time for the refund, they'll still get the same amount in their refund check, which means the refunds become a significantly smaller part of the overall budget of the government.

See the post right above yours.
Thank you.
Now I have your rough over-estimate of $160 000 000 per years. I can compare that to the cost of the war in Iraq, thanks to the number provided by
CanuckHeaven : rough under estimate of $140 000 000 000 in one year.
Actually it appears that electing Kerry is a cost saving.

Has it really come down to this? Using the cost of looking after Kerry after he ends his term(s) as President. This is the best reason the Bushites can come up with now?
Sad people, just sad. :(

Proof? Excuse me? That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard! So the Republikkkons have realised that they can't beat him on policy, found their personal attacks on him rebuffed during the debate, so now it comes down to how much it will cost to protect him? I highly doubt the taxpayer will have to pay the bills for water and electricity et cetera to the houses, but even if they did, the cost would pale in comparison to the defense budget.

I'm so sick of neo-Cons I could vomit.

Its an issue because we have to pay for the upkeep on his property! Our taxes will go even higher if Kerry is president! How many houses does Bush own? ah ONE! His ranch in Texas and the white house if you want to count that. So dont try playing that game! Its impossible for Kerry to lower taxes when just the upkeep on his property alone is gonna raise them sky high!
Of course, he could make like the republicans and borrow the money for the upkeep, thereby forcing future generations to pay for it....

Of course, he could make like the republicans and borrow the money for the upkeep, thereby forcing future generations to pay for it....
To back up your post, I am including something that all Americans should be aware of in regards to the BUSH cost of things:

http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/floor07-16-03.htm

Two years ago, May 9, we passed the President's spending plan. The President's tax cuts passed with almost every Republican vote, passed with a couple of Democratic votes. I voted against it. I did not think it would work. It turns out this time I was right. In just over 2 years under that budget passed by you guys, you have increased the national debt by $1 trillion.

Let us put that in reference. If you went all the way from the Revolutionary War to 1979, the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam, built the interstate highway system, built the Golden Gate Bridge, the intercoastal waterway, we borrowed less than $1 trillion. In 25 months, you guys have borrowed $1 trillion.

The Speaker in the chair knows what a $1,000 check looks like. It is what a lot of us write for rent checks up here in Washington. If you wrote that $1,000 rent check a thousand times, you have spent a million. If you wrote a $1 million check a thousand times, you have spent a billion. If you wrote a $1 billion check a thousand times, you have spent a trillion. That is how much money a trillion is.

In just the past 12 months, you have increased the national debt by $544 billion. More importantly, you have stolen $371 billion from the Social Security trust fund. Mr. Speaker, the reason I say stolen is if you take it back and you do not have a plan to repay it, it is stealing. If someone pays on their payroll taxes toward Social Security, they fully expect it to be put in a trust fund just for Social Security and that it is going to be sitting there for when they need it.

That is not the plan, Mr. Speaker. I would encourage you or any of my colleagues to tell me the name of the bank account that the Social Security trust fund is put in. Because you know and I know there is not a dime in it. It is nothing but IOUs, government securities.

You have borrowed $167 billion from Medicare, the same thing. Hard-working Americans pay payroll taxes. On that payroll tax is a line item that goes to Medicare with the promise that it would be set aside just for their retirement. There is not a penny there.

Military retirement, the Federal employees' retirement, we owe the Federal employees' retirement system, Mr. Speaker, over $500 billion. There are laws that would have prevented you back when you were in your medical practice from dipping into your employees' retirement fund for any reason, good or bad. If you had done so, you would have gone to jail. There is not a penny in the Federal employees' retirement fund. Yet you continue to borrow against it to disguise the true nature of the American debt.

You borrowed $314 billion from foreign investors, and my buddy from Cuba will love this one, because you have borrowed $52.5 billion from Communist China. You have borrowed $122 billion from Japan. We now owe $1.3 trillion to foreign nations and investors, including $122 billion to Communist China. Tell me you are proud of that. Tell me the Republican majority is proud that we owe $122 billion to China and that $50 billion a year of American tax dollars go to pay interest on what we owe just to foreigners like the Communist Chinese. Our children will have to pay back China, Japan, our foreign creditors before they can even get back to paying what we should have paid all along to Social Security, Medicare and the retirement funds. They have to repay our debts before they ever repay theirs.

This is the Republican place in history. You are responsible for more deficit spending this year than in any year in American history. Tell me you are proud of that. You are responsible for the largest increase in the national debt in American history. Tell me you are proud of that.

Now lets talk about presidential security costs? :eek:

please please please tell me you are joking


heres something for you to bitch about!

the secret service has to protect FORMER presidents and their family.

Let us put that in reference. If you went all the way from the Revolutionary War to 1979, the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam, built the interstate highway system, built the Golden Gate Bridge, the intercoastal waterway, we borrowed less than $1 trillion. In 25 months, you guys have borrowed $1 trillion.

It's called inflation. With a trillion dollars, you could've payed the British, French, Spanish, and Russian to LEAVE North America and then buy American independence and still have more than half of that money left over.


---along with the fact that China isn't really much of a Communist state any more...

Lets keep Bush a resident in the White House, and not have to protect another Kerry house.
Are you joking? All your charges could apply to Bush as well. Remember that vast Crawford ranch of his?

Red Magician, either post something that makes sense and has some actual substance to it, or don't post at all.


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http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/secret.asp

Fascist Emerica should be banned for lying to all of us.

Both Bush and Kerry are already paid by tax dollars(not to mention their corporate buddies), and since budgets are probably already overinflated it wouldn't really make a difference. If you are really and truly concerned, how about you kill Bush after he loses the election so he doesn't drain precious manpower.

He'll be like a martyr to the cause of smaller government.

I hadn’t thought about this before ! Most of us haven't thought about this no matter how much we like or dislike John Kerry.

WOW! Those figures have to be staggering. You will pay upkeep/Secret Service for 5 Kerry mansions.


He is one of the richest Senators in Government. When someone is elected president, it means the Secret Service has to protect the President and his family as well as his property.





How anyone who is a fascist could ever support Bush is beyond me. Bush is Israel's best friend, possibly the best one they've ever had. Forget all the trivia about Kerry's mansions and his butlers and so on... Think about what voting for Bush means.

It means endless war - war against Iran, war against Syria, war against any nation that the neocons decide is a threat to America but is really, most of all, a threat to Israel. Bush doesn't have a mind of his own - he listens to the Jewish neocon likudites around him and acts on their suggestions.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/secret.asp

Fascist Emerica should be banned for lying to all of us.
Good find Pantylvania!! :D

Although I do believe that it was absurd for this type of propaganda to be used in the first place.

Fascist Emerica has been offically owned on this one!! :cool:

I hadn’t thought about this before ! Most of us haven't thought about this no matter how much we like or dislike John Kerry.

WOW! Those figures have to be staggering. You will pay upkeep/Secret Service for 5 Kerry mansions.



If it costs less than the hundreds of billions that Bush is flushing down the toilet with more following every day I call it a bargain. Complaining about Kerry being rich is like that "People of Color" group (that gets most of its funding from one rich white guy) calling him white.

Bush is sitting on top of a financial EMPIRE built on the efforts of Dubya's Nazi financeer grandfather Prescot Bush. I'll take a ketchup millionare over a fascist one any day of the campaign.

How anyone who is a fascist could ever support Bush is beyond me. Bush is Israel's best friend, possibly the best one they've ever had. Forget all the trivia about Kerry's mansions and his butlers and so on... Think about what voting for Bush means.

It means endless war - war against Iran, war against Syria, war against any nation that the neocons decide is a threat to America but is really, most of all, a threat to Israel. Bush doesn't have a mind of his own - he listens to the Jewish neocon likudites around him and acts on their suggestions.
Fascism doesn't mean anti semitism. It means the union of corpoprate and government intrests (privatization). Suppresion and scapegoating of minority groups is a common tactic for fascist intrests, but it doesn't have to be against Jews. It could just as easily be against Moslims ("gitmo") or African Americans (Florida disenfranchisment) or even veterans (shutting down VA hospitals).
Fascists probably watched the debates with a stack of Kleenex and a jar of Vaseline, they're very pro-Bush.

I hadn’t thought about this before ! Most of us haven't thought about this no matter how much we like or dislike John Kerry.

WOW! Those figures have to be staggering. You will pay upkeep/Secret Service for 5 Kerry mansions.


He is one of the richest Senators in Government. When someone is elected president, it means the Secret Service has to protect the President and his family as well as his property.



The Kerry's have five US properties not counting the several foreign properties they own too. The cost to run these homes are more than what the average American could afford, even if the rent was free, and all you had to pay the water, gas &electric. Including ground keepers, maintenance, pool, and house keepers. To be President would require the taxpayers to pay for all that now if elected. Including a complete staffed Secret Service security 24 hours a day. In addition to that we will have to pay for each of their homes for security improvements even if they never go to them all, that is, that just in case. Who do you think will pay for all this? We Pay! This takes all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us



Nevertheless, factor another major cost to Americans that Kerry does not want you to know about.

Becoming president would automatically include taking care of all their properties with Secret Service Agents that includes 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days of the year for the rest of their lives so long as they own those properties. It comes with being President, once you are elected. It requires us the taxpayers, to pay for this as well as his annual salary, as well as his retirements including the cost of living adjustments to boot, plus salaries and protection for all their real estate property, plus Secret Service Agents, and pay the bills for the rest of his life. In addition, feed the Secret Service Agents and rotate new ones every 6 hours for the rest of his life.



Do the math. Five properties need to be protected. This requires five Secret Service Agents per shift, daily every six hours, per property! That is 20 Secret Service Agents per day per property everyday including Holidays. Wow, what does that cost?



Lets say an average of 20 agents per property, each earning a about $60K per agent to survey the perimeters and protect. Now times that by five properties so far. That is if the Kerrys do not buy any more properties afterwards. This also includes the Agents vehicles and repairs, gas, meals, days off, paid vacation, and medical plan visits etc per agent.



Who pays? YOU pay, the whole time they are alive after becoming President! Is this the best use of our tax money electing Kerry to take care of all their properties, both foreign and domestic? On the other hand, shouldn't he pay for his own? Yet, the Presidential salary could not afford it.



The more I think about paying for Kerrys properties everyday, just makes me happy keeping President Bush all the more merrier. Without raising taxes to boot.



How on earth would Kerry pay for everyone to have Healthcare, increase our military, and have us pay to protect his investments, all without raising our taxes? "Tax and spend Kerry" is his party motto.



Which really has to make you wonder why anyone with his wealth, would take a salary of that of a U.S. Senator, never mind wanna be President? Do you believe now why he needs to be the Prez? To serve the people? On the other hand, the people serve Him and his wife!



Please do America a favor and pass this to your friends. Lets keep Bush a resident in the White House, and not have to protect another Kerry house.

It's not like Mr. Bush is exactly poor and has no property. Ketchup-money, or oil-money. Which will bring in more and require more protection.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/secret.asp

Fascist Emerica should be banned for lying to all of us.Everyone except CanuckHeaven missed this so I'll copy/paste the article.

The fact that Senator John Kerry's middle name is "Forbes" is about the only piece of information this latest political diatribe gets right.

John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, together own several homes, but since they signed a prenuptial agreement and have kept their premarital assets separate, a Boston townhouse (which John Kerry mortgaged in 2003 to finance his presidential bid) is the only one of these homes that they technically own as a couple. The government is obligated to provide Secret Service protection to the President and his immediate family, so if John Kerry were elected to that office, of course he and his family would be entitled to the same level of security detail that the Secret Service provides to every President. That protection might indeed include the use of public funds to pay the costs of installation and maintenance for security systems at some of the Kerrys' homes, because the protection of First Families is viewed as a right and proper charge upon the nation. Security measures of this level would not be specific to the Kerrys; the homes of all Presidents are treated this way, as (to a lesser extent) are the homes of all former Presidents.

It is not true, however, that every single residence owned by the either of the Kerrys (whether it be in America or abroad) would be staffed by five Secret Service agents around the clock, and that those agents would be guarding the Kerrys and all their properties for the rest of John Kerry's life. Secret Service staffing levels vary as the situation requires, and lifetime protection for former Presidents and their spouses was eliminated by Congressional legislation in 1997. President Clinton and his wife, Hillary, are the last First Couple who will receive such a benefit; President George W. Bush and all who succeed him in the White House will be limited to receiving Secret Service protection for a period of not more than 10 years from the time they leave office.

In any case, the idea that U.S. voters would have to pay higher taxes if John Kerry were elected President in order to "protect his investments" is just silly. The projected U.S. federal budget for 2005 is $2.4 trillion — the amount of money spent to protect the President and his family (whoever that President might be) is but a teeny-tiny fraction of a drop in that vast bucket. The only thing sillier than that notion that taxes would have to be raised to protect a putative President Kerry is the suggestion that the cost of Secret Service protection should be a factor in voters' choosing who should serve as President of the United States.

For more information about the protection afforded former Presidents, see our article about a similar rumor that was attached to the previous First Couple when President Bill Clinton left office in 2001.

This calculation should also include the fact that John Kerry is something like 60 years old and George W. Bush is only 53! This means that the 10-year limit won't make any difference because Kerry would be 75 by the time that limit ended and chances are he'd be dead by then from stress and all that you get for being US-president.

Bush, on the other hand, takes things easy and doesn't worry about things, which is good for living longer. I take it he also doesn't smoke or drink. He'll outlive us all!

Besides, the cost for paying for Bush's protection is already a sunk cost, because he's already a president. Of course we could always hope that Kerry gives up on living around his 70th birthday, so that would only mean paying for 10 years compared to Bush's (if he were re-elected) 14 years against 10 years (if he were not re-elected).

So you're saying that by electing Kerry there'd be a lot less unemployed people?
Hahahaha!

^^^ Wow. Someone FINALLY got that joke...

Bush, on the other hand, takes things easy and doesn't worry about things, which is good for living longer. I take it he also doesn't smoke or drink. He'll outlive us all!
Yea...Bush is pretty laid back about things...
"There's planes flying into buildings? Okay Dick, I'll get right on it. First let me go enjoy a Tuesday morning with some kids and get some lovely pictures of me trying to read 'My Pet Goat' while I hold the book upside down. After that, I'll fly to Louisiana for some God-awful reason and then you can call me on the phone again, okay Dick? You really shouldn't worry so much. It shortens your life you know."

Uhh...dudes, we are all forgetting something.

Bush went into the war against Iraq, has his opinion, and sticks with it, even if it is wrong...or right(depending if you are pro-war or against-war).
He never let the media and Bush-haters get to him. He never backed down.

Kerry is a wafflemaker. He is actually mine. He grew laegs and escaped from my grandfather's home. Then the military accidentally thought he was a man (he has no genitalia) and let him in the army so he could go on his decieving ways. From there, he served for a few months (Rather than 6 months to a year) in Vietnam, officially winning 2 purple hearts and sliding in one more purple heart. There, he decided to become a senator. And what a senator. He voted to cut funding to the military by $500,000,000 less per year, tried to cut down nuclear warheads and nuclear power-plants (the cleanest and safest way to get electricity). He voted for the war (in IRAQ, yes, IRAQ), then is now saying he against the war. His main plan:to get power and more money. He will raise taxes, even wtihout his property. His property, even though it is a tremendous amount of land, will increase taxes by little being that theres millions of people in america (not as much as china, but a lot). Kerry wants his taxes, his money.

All of our taxes mostly go to politicians. If you check records, theres a lot of money MISSING. this goes for both republican and democrat. A not-nice percentage of our taxes go to good things, like home-land security, running the mints, etc. What do we do now?

I have a plan. My plan will rule you all. My friend will run for president in the future, making me Sec. of Def. This will cause us to go on a power-hungry rage eating everything. If something is a threat, NUKE IT! Together, my friend and I willl take over the world! All of you will be my slaves!

AAAAAAAAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Secret Service protections aside, what is this crap about taxpayers paying all the utility bills and personal staff for all of Kerry's properties for as long as he lives? Source, please? Next you'll tell us that the government will pay to fuel his car for the rest of his life. :rolleyes:

Its an issue because we have to pay for the upkeep on his property! Our taxes will go even higher if Kerry is president! How many houses does Bush own? ah ONE! His ranch in Texas and the white house if you want to count that. So dont try playing that game! Its impossible for Kerry to lower taxes when just the upkeep on his property alone is gonna raise them sky high!

First, do you have to pay for the upkeep on his property? Please find me the reference for this, because I don't think you do.

Second, for the upkeep of his property to make even a tiny difference to the annual spending of the US government, he would have to have houses on mars, jupiter and the sun. According to http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@DocID=253.html the cost of the Iraq war so far is USD120 billion. Have you noticed that in your tax bill? so how much do you think it would actually cost to upkeep Kerry's houses, even if you have to, which I really doubt.

Per the original post:
If you were smart enough you could have propelled your argument to include that fact that by even electing Bush in 2000, we've already saved money because all the "family compounds" (Kennebunkport comes to mind) are already being protected for his dad!

Per the original post:
If you were smart enough you could have propelled your argument to include that fact that by even electing Bush in 2000, we've already saved money because all the "family compounds" (Kennebunkport comes to mind) are already being protected for his dad!
Does this mean when Hillary stands, we can expect Fascist Emerica to be voting for her? It'll save millions in Secret service agents!

Does this mean when Hillary stands, we can expect Fascist Emerica to be voting for her? It'll save millions in Secret service agents!
Seems reasonable. But I'll have to relocate outside of the US for those four years, should they ever come to pass.

Please do America a favor and pass this to your friends. Lets keep Bush a resident in the White House, and not have to protect another Kerry house.

Well, with a name like "fascist US", everybody could expect that you would post anything to get the US Rep Nazi's back in power...

How many houses does Bush own?

I think you're highlighting something wrong with the system, not something wrong with Kerry.

You could "highlight" virtually ANYTHING and it would point out something wrong with Kerry!

I cant be arsed to read through this all, i apologise if sum1 already put the link, but just look at this -http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/secret.asp

You could "highlight" virtually ANYTHING and it would point out something wrong with Kerry!
Winner of the "Most asinine comment that means absolutely nothing" award for the day goes to...
Eustrusca (once again).