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why is it that so many people here have such a negative attitude towards women?


it's quite disgusting, frankly.

if she gets pregnant outside marriage, it's because she's a stupid whore.
highschool girls are dirty whores.

if ever a woman enjoys sex or does it with more than one person in her whole life, she's a whore.

why is it that so many people here have such a negative attitude towards women?


it's quite disgusting, frankly.

if she gets pregnant outside marriage, it's because she's a stupid whore.
highschool girls are dirty whores.

if ever a woman enjoys sex or does it with more than one person in her whole life, she's a whore.

Dunno, maybe I picked it up from muslims?

Who said all that?

I mean, you gotta control your woman, but namecalling does no good, whore or no whore.

I don't take things like that personal.. if I don't have loyalty, I'd just cut her loose, and accept no excuses or pleas, etc.

People need to lighten up if they take their woman that seriously, geez..

I think it's because many of the posters here are junior high schoolers, and they can't get a girl to look at them, let alone sleep with them, and they don't want to admit that their hostility creates a catch-22 situation, because no girl would like to sleep with someone who thinks of her that way.

I mean, you gotta control your woman, but namecalling does no good, whore or no whore.

I don't take things like that personal.. if I don't have loyalty, I'd just cut her loose, and accept no excuses or pleas, etc.

People need to lighten up if they take their woman that seriously, geez..

i hope you die a virgin. and that someone castrates you...

I think it's because many of the posters here are junior high schoolers, and they can't get a girl to look at them, let alone sleep with them, and they don't want to admit that their hostility creates a catch-22 situation, because no girl would like to sleep with someone who thinks of her that way.

yeah, that's still not an excuse for belittling 52% of the human population though.

i'm sure some of it has to do with crappy parents.

i hope you die a virgin. and that someone castrates you...

:confused: Too late for option A...

I said plainly, insulting women is unacceptible... so the hostility makes no sense, friend.

why is it that so many people here have such a negative attitude towards women?


it's quite disgusting, frankly.

if she gets pregnant outside marriage, it's because she's a stupid whore.
highschool girls are dirty whores.

if ever a woman enjoys sex or does it with more than one person in her whole life, she's a whore.

Such disrespect toward any group be it blacks, jews, women, is caused in large part by ignorance.

Heh... where did you go to high school?

It's not a nice thing to say, to be sure, but the fact is that there are quite a few dirty whores around. Not all, not half, not even 9/10 where I went anyway, but quite a few. There really isn't any better way to put it - Unless you're just upset about PC, in which case just read it "extremely promiscuous underaged females".

And also, in my high school, if a girl gets pregnant, it's because she was stupid (along with the guy, of course). There's no other excuse. Well, barring rape.

Dunno, maybe I picked it up from muslims?See Dakini, women don't have a monopoly on lack of respect, some assholes show no respect to anyone different from them.

Just for the record, the most respectfull boy any of my daughters ever brought home is the Muslim of Palestinian descent my 18 year old is currently dating. I don't just mean respectfull to me, but to her and women in general also.

i hope you die a virgin. and that someone castrates you...
Relax. He was just joking. Don't take a post like that seriously. I doubt the guy meant it.
Also, the castration part would pretty well guarantee the dying as a virgin part, wouldn't it... assuming that he's a virgin at the moment, at least.

Heh... where did you go to high school?

It's not a nice thing to say, to be sure, but the fact is that there are quite a few dirty whores around. Not all, not half, not even 9/10 where I went anyway, but quite a few. There really isn't any better way to put it - Unless you're just upset about PC, in which case just read it "extremely promiscuous underaged females".

And also, in my high school, if a girl gets pregnant, it's because she was stupid (along with the guy, of course). There's no other excuse. Well, barring rape.

What a girl does with her body is her responsibility and her business. Not yours. You witness this? Or do you just make assumptions? If you're going on the girls who've slept with you, remember, you slept with them too, and they might not think you're such a prize either.

:confused: Too late for option A...

I said plainly, insulting women is unacceptible... so the hostility makes no sense, friend.

you also said you need to control your woman and that there's no reason to take a woman seriously.

which is why i hope you get castrated. you're still referring to women as subordinate, rather than equals.

If a girl wants respect - a simple way, beat the crap out of a couple of guys. I'm serious!

Heh... where did you go to high school?

It's not a nice thing to say, to be sure, but the fact is that there are quite a few dirty whores around. Not all, not half, not even 9/10 where I went anyway, but quite a few. There really isn't any better way to put it - Unless you're just upset about PC, in which case just read it "extremely promiscuous underaged females".

And also, in my high school, if a girl gets pregnant, it's because she was stupid (along with the guy, of course). There's no other excuse. Well, barring rape.

well, let's see, of the girls i knew in highschool, only three of them had ever gotten laid.

that's out of a couple hundred...

so uh... yeah.... not every girl is a slut, and if they were, then the guys would be equally sluts for sleeping with all the girls who are sluts, now wouldn't they?

you also said you need to control your woman and that there's no reason to take a woman seriously.

which is why i hope you get castrated. you're still referring to women as subordinate, rather than equals.

I meant just the opposite.. if your woman isn't loyal, or doesn't show respect, just break it off.. don't berate her and call her a 'whore,' and such. That's what i meant by taking it seriously. Taking it seriously = taking it personally. If they cheat on you, let them go. That's all.

Also, I'm sorry, but Pepe Dominguez lives in the Real World, where, yes, women may sometimes be subordinate... I don't hold a gun to their heads, but I have certain demands, and if that's not cool with them, they can walk, plain and simple.. no namecalling, and no anger.

See, the thing is, most highschooler girls (at least from what I saw) WERE whores. That is, not to say that the had sex-that they had a lot of it, with a lot of people.

Don't get me wrong-I don't praise guys who do the same thing, I think they're just as bad. If there's anything that should be complained about, it's that-promiscuious guys are heros, and promiscuious girls are evil. Only, you know, spelled right.

I meant just the opposite.. if your woman isn't loyal, or doesn't show respect, just break it off.. don't berate her and call her a 'whore,' and such. That's what i meant by taking it seriously. Taking it seriously = taking it personally. If they cheat on you, let them go. That's all.

if your man isn't loyal, or doesn't show respect, just break it off.. don't berate him and call him a 'no-good bum' and such. That's what I mean by taking it seriously. Taking it seriously = taking it personally. If they cheat on you, let them go. Throw them out of your house. If you feed them, they just end up coming back all the time. That's all.

if your man isn't loyal, or doesn't show respect, just break it off.. don't berate him and call him a 'no-good bum' and such. That's what I mean by taking it seriously. Taking it seriously = taking it personally. If they cheat on you, let them go. Throw them out of your house. If you feed them, they just end up coming back all the time. That's all.

Assuming the man's in the subordinate role, certainly.

See, the thing is, most highschooler girls (at least from what I saw) WERE whores. That is, not to say that the had sex-that they had a lot of it, with a lot of people.

Don't get me wrong-I don't praise guys who do the same thing, I think they're just as bad. If there's anything that should be complained about, it's that-promiscuious guys are heros, and promiscuious girls are evil. Only, you know, spelled right.

Did you watch them all having sex, every time, with every partner? Did you have sex with them? Can you actually verify this, or is it something you heard through gossip?

Assuming the man's in the subordinate role, certainly.

wtf?

since when are there subordinate roles in relationships?

i mean, in individual sexual encounters, sure... someone generally has to take charge of such situations, though not always the same person each time.

you disgust me.

you basically said that men can cheat on women, but not vice versa.

Assuming the man's in the subordinate role, certainly.

Interesting that you should say that. I basically paraphrased your post, and if that's the way you feel about mine, then yours must be based on the assumption that the woman is in the subordinate role.

Anyway, more and more these days, men are bums. They live off a woman and don't work, not even to put up a nail to hang a picture on, and then they expect respect and servitude from the woman who's keeping them. I get a real kick out of someone expecting respect they have done nothing to earn. What kills me is that women put up with it.

wtf?

since when are there subordinate roles in relationships?

i mean, in individual sexual encounters, sure... someone generally has to take charge of such situations, though not always the same person each time.

you disgust me.

In households, there always are. This is the real world I'm talking about, not some Poli Sci course you took in college.. hell, spend a week in Mexico.

Interesting that you should say that. I basically paraphrased your post, and if that's the way you feel about mine, then yours must be based on the assumption that the woman is in the subordinate role.

Anyway, more and more these days, men are bums. They live off a woman and don't work, not even to put up a nail to hang a picture on, and then they expect respect and servitude from the woman who's keeping them. I get a real kick out of someone expecting respect they have done nothing to earn. What kills me is that women put up with it.

Absolutely, you must earn respect, and demand it in return. Women who feel too 'liberated' to comply can walk, that's all I'm saying.

See, the thing is, most highschooler girls (at least from what I saw) WERE whores. That is, not to say that the had sex-that they had a lot of it, with a lot of people.

Don't get me wrong-I don't praise guys who do the same thing, I think they're just as bad. If there's anything that should be complained about, it's that-promiscuious guys are heros, and promiscuious girls are evil. Only, you know, spelled right. :rolleyes: Unless they were having sex with you (which I doubt) or you're a serious peeping tom how would you know? You actually believe the bullshit your average high school male throws around? Sadly most 'sluts' get their reputation undeservedly because of bullshit tossed around by high school males. Catch a clue, those that are really having sex probably are the last ones you'd suspect and they don't talk about it.

In households, there always are. This is the real world I'm talking about, not some Poli Sci course you took in college.. hell, spend a week in Mexico.

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so in households where both partners work and split the bills, one of them is still subordiante.

and mexico... i see... i've heard tales of mexican men sitting on their asses while women do all the cooking and cleaning and often have other jobs to support the family as well...

See Dakini, women don't have a monopoly on lack of respect, some assholes show no respect to anyone different from them.

Just for the record, the most respectfull boy any of my daughters ever brought home is the Muslim of Palestinian descent my 18 year old is currently dating. I don't just mean respectfull to me, but to her and women in general also.

So the Burka's a good idea then?

Absolutely, you must earn respect, and demand it in return. Women who feel too 'liberated' to comply can walk, that's all I'm saying.

believe me, i hope every woman you meet has enough self-esteem to realise that she's better than what you consider her to be.

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so in households where both partners work and split the bills, one of them is still subordiante.

and mexico... i see... i've heard tales of mexican men sitting on their asses while women do all the cooking and cleaning and often have other jobs to support the family as well...

Like I said, no one's got a gun to anyone's head to stick around... and extreme examples where the woman works are self-defeating and rare in the real world. All I'm saying is that if you demand respect from your woman, assuming you deserve it, then there's nothing wrong with that..

Well, it's not really disrespect since whores don't deserve any respect in the first place. If some broad can't keep her legs shut and craps out some loser kid it's not my problem.. seriously. And the liberal filth in DC wants my tax dollars for it?
Hey, let's face it people. Women, by nature, are physically and emotionally weaker, narrow-minded, and irrational. Lots of which cannot partake in reasonable and rational debate>> Even on this forum.
No, we are not being 'Sexist' or anything by that when we degrade these whores.. obviously Man created woman (as says in the bible) to serve by his side as a companion. As long as a woman serves the role in which Man and God ideologically planned for her, nothing but respect from me.
Amen and God Bless.

wtf?

since when are there subordinate roles in relationships?

Since recorded history, maybe. Honestly, do you think if you can just ignore millenia of patriarchy it will just go away? Male dominance is pervasive; it exists in just about any area in Western Society you could name. It's in your workplace, your school, your church, your neighbourhood. It's there when you turn on the television, read an advertisement, or watch a sporting event.

Pretending that women aren't subordinate, disadvantaged, and influenced by men's hegemony, doesn't make it any less true.

So the Burka's a good idea then?

burqua*

and so you know, the taliban is to islam what the kkk is to christianity.

believe me, i hope every woman you meet has enough self-esteem to realise that she's better than what you consider her to be.

All relationships are give-and-take. I think they realize this.

Pretending that women aren't subordinate, disadvantaged, and influenced by men's hegemony, doesn't make it any less true.

Thank you.. I thought I was talking to space-aliens for a moment there.. geez.

There's a natural order to earthly things, and this is part and parcel with natural law.

Absolutely, you must earn respect, and demand it in return. Women who feel too 'liberated' to comply can walk, that's all I'm saying.

Women who feel too "liberated" to comply? You're a piece of work, you are.

I pay my bills and shift for myself. I don't ask for anyone else to support me. Even in a relationship, I insist on having my own things and him having his. Equals, so that nobody can come along and say "I did this and this and this, and you owe me for the roof over your head or the food in your mouth and the clothes on your back". You have no idea how shitty it is to make someone feel that way, obviously.

I'm not going to be in a relationship that's unequal. I wouldn't ask any man to be in one either. Having power over someone makes you feel contempt for them. I don't ever want to feel that for a man I'm supposed to love, nor to get it from him.

Interesting that you should say that. I basically paraphrased your post, and if that's the way you feel about mine, then yours must be based on the assumption that the woman is in the subordinate role.

Anyway, more and more these days, men are bums. They live off a woman and don't work, not even to put up a nail to hang a picture on, and then they expect respect and servitude from the woman who's keeping them. I get a real kick out of someone expecting respect they have done nothing to earn. What kills me is that women put up with it.
It is a two way street. Not all that many women are prizes either. **shrug** Either way, either sex - you have to have the confidence to set standards and don't compromise them. It is better to be alone than be with someone less than the best.

Since recorded history, maybe. Honestly, do you think if you can just ignore millenia of patriarchy it will just go away? Male dominance is pervasive; it exists in just about any area in Western Society you could name. It's in your workplace, your school, your church, your neighbourhood. It's there when you turn on the television, read an advertisement, or watch a sporting event.

Pretending that women aren't subordinate, disadvantaged, and influenced by men's hegemony, doesn't make it any less true.

i meant since when is this so in the modern world?

i know that in the past women have been subjegated to such treatment, but we can do better now. there is no need for subordinate or dominant partners.

So the Burka's a good idea then?Ever heard the old saying "it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"? It applies to internet posts too.

Like I said, no one's got a gun to anyone's head to stick around... and extreme examples where the woman works are self-defeating and rare in the real world. All I'm saying is that if you demand respect from your woman, assuming you deserve it, then there's nothing wrong with that..

how is a woman working self defeating?

and i wasn't talking about the guy being a stay at home dad, i was talking about an equal partnership, where both partners work and they both pay the bills and they both clean the house and cook the food and raise the children together, as partners, not as master and subject.

Well, it's not really disrespect since whores don't deserve any respect in the first place. If some broad can't keep her legs shut and craps out some loser kid it's not my problem.. seriously. And the liberal filth in DC wants my tax dollars for it?
Hey, let's face it people. Women, by nature, are physically and emotionally weaker, narrow-minded, and irrational. Lots of which cannot partake in reasonable and rational debate>> Even on this forum.
No, we are not being 'Sexist' or anything by that when we degrade these whores.. obviously Man created woman (as says in the bible) to serve by his side as a companion. As long as a woman serves the role in which Man and God ideologically planned for her, nothing but respect from me.
Amen and God Bless.

You gotta be shitting me. I hope you get the exactly the woman you deserve. May you have much joy of it.

Thank you.. I thought I was talking to space-aliens for a moment there.. geez.

There's a natural order to earthly things, and this is part and parcel with natural law.

it's not natural to subjegate half the world's population. women are just as capable to do anything... did it ever occur to you that things work better when we all work together?

[QUOTE=Sheilanagig]I'm not going to be in a relationship that's unequal.QUOTE]

I wouldn't either. You're assuming I get nothing in return for being a provider, but I do.. and respect comes with that.. but a woman who is too "liberated" to acknowledge this, simply isn't contributing anything to the relationship, that's all.

You gotta be shitting me. I hope you get the exactly the woman you deserve. May you have much joy of it.

Just saying.. some whore rooting around town is not what Man intended when he created woman.-- It's in the Bible.

Interesting that you should say that. I basically paraphrased your post, and if that's the way you feel about mine, then yours must be based on the assumption that the woman is in the subordinate role.

Anyway, more and more these days, men are bums. They live off a woman and don't work, not even to put up a nail to hang a picture on, and then they expect respect and servitude from the woman who's keeping them. I get a real kick out of someone expecting respect they have done nothing to earn. What kills me is that women put up with it.

EXACTLY! You seem to have unintentionally stumbled onto the point. Women who ". To say theput up with it" are ACCEPTING subordination To say they are subordinate is not to say, necessarily, that they are inferior, but honestly, doesn't this seemlike an subordinate position to you when you explain that women have to do all the work, support the men, and take all kinds of shit while still respecting the men responsible for the burdens on them? Isn't a serf subordinate to the lord, even though they are both men, and even though the lord's domination is unjust?

how is a woman working self defeating?

and i wasn't talking about the guy being a stay at home dad, i was talking about an equal partnership, where both partners work and they both pay the bills and they both clean the house and cook the food and raise the children together, as partners, not as master and subject.


I meant: using examples where the man deserves no respect is self-defeating, since this isn't the ordinary circumstance, and sould involve a subordinate male, changing the cirsumstances entirely.

Interesting that you should say that. I basically paraphrased your post, and if that's the way you feel about mine, then yours must be based on the assumption that the woman is in the subordinate role.

Anyway, more and more these days, men are bums. They live off a woman and don't work, not even to put up a nail to hang a picture on, and then they expect respect and servitude from the woman who's keeping them. I get a real kick out of someone expecting respect they have done nothing to earn. What kills me is that women put up with it.

EXACTLY! You seem to have unintentionally stumbled onto the point. Women who "put up with it" are ACCEPTING subordination To say they are subordinate is not to say, necessarily, that they are inferior, but honestly, doesn't this seemlike an subordinate position to you when you explain that women have to do all the work, support the men, and take all kinds of shit while still respecting the men responsible for the burdens on them? Isn't a serf subordinate to the lord, even though they are both men, and even though the lord's domination is unjust?

Well, it's not really disrespect since whores don't deserve any respect in the first place. If some broad can't keep her legs shut and craps out some loser kid it's not my problem.. seriously. And the liberal filth in DC wants my tax dollars for it?
Hey, let's face it people. Women, by nature, are physically and emotionally weaker, narrow-minded, and irrational. Lots of which cannot partake in reasonable and rational debate>> Even on this forum.
No, we are not being 'Sexist' or anything by that when we degrade these whores.. obviously Man created woman (as says in the bible) to serve by his side as a companion. As long as a woman serves the role in which Man and God ideologically planned for her, nothing but respect from me.
Amen and God Bless.
YOU are a bible scholar? PIMPLMAO!

So basically you are talking about your right hand not knowing what the left is doing, eh?

I think it's because many of the posters here are junior high schoolers, and they can't get a girl to look at them, let alone sleep with them, and they don't want to admit that their hostility creates a catch-22 situation, because no girl would like to sleep with someone who thinks of her that way.

Actually, all the current relationships where women are abused by their mates AND they stay with them out loyalty or fear or desperation kind of proves you wrong. Many women indeed sleep with, and even seek out men who abuse them, or treat them like dirt. It is the men who are not nearly as aggressive, the men who would love a woman dearly and gently that are left behind... because they are not tough, or bad azz enough.

More often than not, women tend to seek out men they can change and improve. It is no secret that men fall in love with the woman they meet, while women fall in love with the potential they see in a man they meet. So when a woman meets a troubled man, one with a bad attitude, they feel certain they can turn him around, to be the man they think they see in him. And through the abuse, the lies, the cheating, they stay loyal to that ideal.

Think of all the women who keep getting into relationships with the same kinds of men. ANd keep facing the same relationship problems. They complain that their relationships always fail. Yet they refuse to see the pattern.

Sad really.

Look around you people. You will see the best women with the biggest azzholes... you ask yourself.. how do they do it? Now you know.

burqua*

and so you know, the taliban is to islam what the kkk is to christianity.

Stupid Princeton University.

And where did I mention the taliban. Oodles of women are forced to wear burquas (I assume that's the plural) outside of afganistan. The burqua is a muslim ideal, along with polygamy and paedophilia.

Anyway I was just asking if it was a good idea, yes or no ?

I still don't see how relationships should have one person as the "provider" and the other as the "grateful recipient". That's stupid. They should both provide as much as the other, and get credit for such, never mind how or what they provide, so long as it's worth it. There should be no contempt for a woman who raises kids and cleans a house, even if you make the money to buy food or clothes. If she weren't there, you wouldn't have the kids, or the woman, or the food cooked, or whatever. It's an equal relationship, and she deserves as much respect for her part.

You gotta be shitting me. I hope you get the exactly the woman you deserve. May you have much joy of it.

What happened to religious acceptance? If kelhptopia has certain religious beliefs, can't we agree to respect them?

Anyway, more and more these days, men are bums. They live off a woman and don't work, not even to put up a nail to hang a picture on, and then they expect respect and servitude from the woman who's keeping them. I get a real kick out of someone expecting respect they have done nothing to earn.

You've met my ex, then? :D He contributed some income, but the rest was "my" job. Fortunately, I no longer put up with it.

The whole business is a societal thing. Like if an older guy marries a younger woman, he's a stud. But if an older woman marries a younger guy, she's a cradle robber. If a woman is sexually active and not married, she's looked down on, unless she's in a committed relationship. Guys can get away with it anytime, and then have the gaul to call the chick they were just with a slut.

it's not natural to subjegate half the world's population. women are just as capable to do anything... did it ever occur to you that things work better when we all work together?

Well, not entirely true. We have to realize that Men and Women are definately 'not capable' of doing the same things.
I would never ask a man to have a child nor a woman to do math.
Look, i'm just saying that Men ARE different from women and women from men! Sorry if that sounds terribly sexist but it's nature, get used to it.
Hell, I give women all the respect in the world. I know I couldnt sit around washing dishes and doing laundry all day.

I wouldn't either. You're assuming I get nothing in return for being a provider, but I do.. and respect comes with that.. but a woman who is too "liberated" to acknowledge this, simply isn't contributing anything to the relationship, that's all.
Boy stop blowing out your ass and pull your head out of the sand! I consider myself a liberated woman, but I am in a relationship of equals. Both my boyfriend and I pay for everything equally. Sometimes I pay for him, and sometimes he'll pay for me.

The cliche you've got in that little itty-bitty brain of yours is the media bastardization of the feminist - yeah, the bra-burning, placard waving "take back the night" type.

Just because a woman is liberated doesn't mean anything! Hell, I enjoy being too liberated; I am very much so. I don't have to acknowledge anything from the so-called "provider" because it is a relationship of equals. Everything is mutual.

"Yes, you're a feminist and that's cute. But this is grown up time, let the men deal with this." - Peter Griffen, Family Guy.

Just saying.. some whore rooting around town is not what Man intended when he created woman.-- It's in the Bible.

And I'm saying that I hope the next time you root around town yourself, that God strikes you dead for being a hypocrit.

What happened to religious acceptance? If kelhptopia has certain religious beliefs, can't we agree to respect them?
Just because we agree to that, doesn't meant we'll accept them.

Did you watch them all having sex, every time, with every partner? Did you have sex with them? Can you actually verify this, or is it something you heard through gossip?

Er, I'm talking about the girls themselves bragging :p

Please, the minute some guy starts talking about having sex, I close my ears and register it under "bullshit."



As for the fucking STUPID argument going on right now...

Look. Guys are dumb. WOMEN are dumb. HUMAN BEINGS are dumb.

But we're equally dumb.

Just because something has "always been that way!" doesn't make it right.

So the western world has traditionally been patriartical. If you ask me, all that shows is that the western world is full of shit. Guess what? THere are no "gender roles." There's no specific thing a guy has to do, other then own and, on the occasion, operate a penis. There's no specific thing a woman has to do other then to own and, on the occasion, operate a vagina.

That's it, folks. Nothing wrong with stay home dads and working moms. Nothing wrong with working moms AND dads.


And if you wanna get into sex...well...erm...heh, to each his own, eh?

Though *technically,* wouldn't it be better for everyone if the female was more in control? After all gents, less face it-we've got one orgasm. ONE. Maybe two. On the rare occasion more. They...don't. So isn't it better to let them decide how much pleasure they're getting out of it since...yeah, like I said, one or two.



But that's just me ;)

What happened to religious acceptance? If kelhptopia has certain religious beliefs, can't we agree to respect them?

How was that in any way disrespectful of his religious beliefs? All I said was that I hoped he got exactly the woman he deserved, and that I hoped he had much joy of it.

Well, not entirely true. We have to realize that Men and Women are definately 'not capable' of doing the same things.
I would never ask a man to have a child nor a woman to do math.
Look, i'm just saying that Men ARE different from women and women from men! Sorry if that sounds terribly sexist but it's nature, get used to it.
Hell, I give women all the respect in the world. I know I couldnt sit around washing dishes and doing laundry all day.

Relationships are about communication. Marriage is a legally binding contract. OK?

See, if a woman accepts a subordinate position by marriage, then she has to play the hand she is dealt or walk. I, for one, demand respect as part of the deal, and I don't hold a gun to the woman's head to stay.. so tell me how I'm wrong?

Well, it's not really disrespect since whores don't deserve any respect in the first place.

las i checked, to be a whore, one would have to get paid for sleeping with losers.

If some broad can't keep her legs shut and craps out some loser kid it's not my problem.. seriously.

if some jackass can't keep his cock in his pants and brings a loser kid into the world it's not my problem.

btw: there are two different holes for birthing and shitting. not that you'll ever get close enough to a woman to notice this.

Hey, let's face it people. Women, by nature, are physically and emotionally weaker, narrow-minded, and irrational.

hahahaha. right... that's it...
we can't build muscle as fast, but we are stronger emotionally, more capable to withstand prolonged periods of stress, sleep deprivation, physical pain, i'd really like you to back up any of your claims with accredited psychology.

Lots of which cannot partake in reasonable and rational debate>> Even on this forum.

apparantly some men aren't capable of rational and reasonable debate on these forums either. you are an excellent example.

No, we are not being 'Sexist' or anything by that when we degrade these whores.. obviously Man created woman (as says in the bible) to serve by his side as a companion. As long as a woman serves the role in which Man and God ideologically planned for her, nothing but respect from me.
Amen and God Bless.

1. actually in the bible, god created man.
2. if anyone is creating anyone, women are creating men. what the hell do men do to the reproductive process, but shoot a load. women carry the product of conception for 9 months... not easy months either...

you're obviously a jackass who can go foad.

i hope one day you wake up with your testicles in your mouth.

And I'm saying that I hope the next time you root around town yourself, that God strikes you dead for being a hypocrit.

Obviously you don't have the 'brain power' to participate in this 'debate' so you start with personal attacks.
You remind me of Al Gore. Shame on you.

Boy stop blowing out your ass and pull your head out of the sand! I consider myself a liberated woman, but I am in a relationship of equals. Both my boyfriend and I pay for everything equally. Sometimes I pay for him, and sometimes he'll pay for me.


You choose the appropriate relationship for you, and I'll chose the appropriate one for me. I maintain that the structure of a traditional ralationship is superior, but I'm not about to tell others that they can't make arrangements for themselves.... :rolleyes:

See, if a woman accepts a subordinate position by marriage, then she has to play the hand she is dealt or walk. I, for one, demand respect as part of the deal, and I don't hold a gun to the woman's head to stay.. so tell me how I'm wrong?
She can do whatever she wants. You are not her keeper; you can't decide what she must or must not do.

Well, not entirely true. We have to realize that Men and Women are definately 'not capable' of doing the same things.
I would never ask a man to have a child nor a woman to do math.
Look, i'm just saying that Men ARE different from women and women from men! Sorry if that sounds terribly sexist but it's nature, get used to it.
Hell, I give women all the respect in the world. I know I couldnt sit around washing dishes and doing laundry all day.

as a third year female physics major... i disagree on the math part. just you get in here and try my mathematical physics homework and let's see how far you get, ok?

and i'm well aware that men can't give birth, thanks, i'm not an idiot, unlike yourself.

i would really like to hear what you do for a living, you disgusting excuse for a human being.

What happened to religious acceptance? If kelhptopia has certain religious beliefs, can't we agree to respect them?
Pepe, when somebody talks some crazy attitude and mentions Bible it doesn't make their attitude unassailable. Besides which around here there are no sacred cows . . . or bulls.

hey men who are against women,

everyone was originalli a female, thats y u hav nipples.

one day there will be no y chromosone.

Obviously you don't have the 'brain power' to participate in this 'debate' so you start with personal attacks.
You remind me of Al Gore. Shame on you.


...What the hell kinda crap insult is THAT?!


Look, you brought up religion, ok? No points for you. In fact, I'm taking points away for that illogical and idiotic decision.

Religion is all fine and dandy, but we're talking aobut fact here, not fiction.

Well, it's not really disrespect since whores don't deserve any respect in the first place. If some broad can't keep her legs shut and craps out some loser kid it's not my problem.. seriously. And the liberal filth in DC wants my tax dollars for it?
Hey, let's face it people. Women, by nature, are physically and emotionally weaker, narrow-minded, and irrational. Lots of which cannot partake in reasonable and rational debate>> Even on this forum.
No, we are not being 'Sexist' or anything by that when we degrade these whores.. obviously Man created woman (as says in the bible) to serve by his side as a companion. As long as a woman serves the role in which Man and God ideologically planned for her, nothing but respect from me.
Amen and God Bless.

Man did not create, nor have anything to do with the creation of, other than a body part, Woman. If you're going to quote the bible, it helps to read all of the words, not just the ones that suit your point of view. And your post shows how little you really know or understand about women.

Well, it's not really disrespect since whores don't deserve any respect in the first place. If some broad can't keep her legs shut and craps out some loser kid it's not my problem.. seriously. And the liberal filth in DC wants my tax dollars for it?
Hey, let's face it people. Women, by nature, are physically and emotionally weaker, narrow-minded, and irrational. Lots of which cannot partake in reasonable and rational debate>> Even on this forum.
No, we are not being 'Sexist' or anything by that when we degrade these whores.. obviously Man created woman (as says in the bible) to serve by his side as a companion. As long as a woman serves the role in which Man and God ideologically planned for her, nothing but respect from me.
Amen and God Bless.

And THIS was the work of the brain trust? Considering the source, I'm less than insulted.

She can do whatever she wants. You are not her keeper; you can't decide what she must or must not do.

I certainly can. I set the parameters for the relationship, and it's agreed. Like I said on Page 1, there are rules in life, as in marriage, and if there'a a disagreement, it's treated as a breach of contract. There are still good decent women in the world that believe in loyalty and order, even if it's no longer popular in San Francisco... :rolleyes:

You choose the appropriate relationship for you, and I'll chose the appropriate one for me. I maintain that the structure of a traditional ralationship is superior, but I'm not about to tell others that they can't make arrangements for themselves.... :rolleyes:
There is nothing superior about so-called "traditional" relationships. I don't see the appeal, unless you're a guy. But, it won't be a happy relationship. A happy relationship is feasible in a relationship of equals because both parties are on the same level and can freely express their feelings.

Tell me, do you have a girlfriend or a life partner? If so, how often do you/have you fought?

I meant: using examples where the man deserves no respect is self-defeating, since this isn't the ordinary circumstance, and sould involve a subordinate male, changing the cirsumstances entirely.

no, what i'm talking about was this girl and her mother did all this shit around the house for her brothers, who sat on their asses because they expected it.
both the girl, her mother and her father worked, the brothers didn't, yet didn't help out around the house because they were taught that it was women's work.

las i checked, to be a whore, one would have to get paid for sleeping with losers.



if some jackass can't keep his cock in his pants and brings a loser kid into the world it's not my problem.

btw: there are two different holes for birthing and shitting. not that you'll ever get close enough to a woman to notice this.



hahahaha. right... that's it...
we can't build muscle as fast, but we are stronger emotionally, more capable to withstand prolonged periods of stress, sleep deprivation, physical pain, i'd really like you to back up any of your claims with accredited psychology.



apparantly some men aren't capable of rational and reasonable debate on these forums either. you are an excellent example.



1. actually in the bible, god created man.
2. if anyone is creating anyone, women are creating men. what the hell do men do to the reproductive process, but shoot a load. women carry the product of conception for 9 months... not easy months either...

you're obviously a jackass who can go foad.

i hope one day you wake up with your testicles in your mouth.

Again with these petty thug-like personal attacks. It's really becoming a pest.
And as for you, Missy, I think you have a problem with authority (man).
Anyhow, first of all, I don't get how you are so called stronger 'emotionally' Everyone knows that women, even taking aside the quarter of their life which they are uncapable of clear thought (pms), are irrational and emotionally unstable. It's common sense. It's why we have suppressed them for so long. Leave it to a vote-hungry liberal to allow them to vote.
Anyhow, i'm running off on a tangent.
This broad 'dakini' also thinks that man got 'cheated' on reproductive organs? Laugh?-- Ha Ha. Haw. Har.
I mean, nothing against a woman who fulfills her God-Intended role as a mother.. but for some feminist nut to think it is out-right easier to carry around a kid for 9 monthes? Give me a break.

I certainly can. I set the parameters for the relationship, and it's agreed. Like I said on Page 1, there are rules in life, as in marriage, and if there'a a disagreement, it's treated as a breach of contract. There are still good decent women in the world that believe in loyalty and order, even if it's no longer popular in San Francisco... :rolleyes:
I believe it in; as long as the person I am with believes in a relationship of equals. And, I found my partner.

And, by your logic, if the woman disgrees with you because she's sick and she can't get out of bed to cook for your worthless hide, it's a breach of the contract? :rolleyes: or...she has had a long day and she needs to sit down, but you tell her you want something to drink and she doesn't get it that it is a breach of the contract; or if she disagrees to having ine in-laws over... I could add more, but I don't want to give you too much to think about all at once. After all, the penis can only do so much thinking at one time.

I certainly can. I set the parameters for the relationship, and it's agreed. Like I said on Page 1, there are rules in life, as in marriage, and if there'a a disagreement, it's treated as a breach of contract. There are still good decent women in the world that believe in loyalty and order, even if it's no longer popular in San Francisco... :rolleyes:

Too bad none of the guys believe in decency, honor, and fairness

Stupid Princeton University.

And where did I mention the taliban. Oodles of women are forced to wear burquas (I assume that's the plural) outside of afganistan. The burqua is a muslim ideal, along with polygamy and paedophilia.

Anyway I was just asking if it was a good idea, yes or no ?

and i'm telling you taht that stuff is a misinterpretation of the text... in fact, it's a cultural thing, not a religious thing.

as a third year female physics major... i disagree on the math part. just you get in here and try my mathematical physics homework and let's see how far you get, ok?

and i'm well aware that men can't give birth, thanks, i'm not an idiot, unlike yourself.

i would really like to hear what you do for a living, you disgusting excuse for a human being.

Try me, broad.

There is nothing superior about so-called "traditional" relationships. I don't see the appeal, unless you're a guy. ?

Other than being the foundation upon which society was built?

I find it an insult to women to believe that they are somehow slighted by belonging to a traditional relationship. Specialization of labor and roles doesn't somehow entail inequality.. the traditional approach is healthier and more natural.

Again with these petty thug-like personal attacks. It's really becoming a pest.
And as for you, Missy, I think you have a problem with authority (man).
Anyhow, first of all, I don't get how you are so called stronger 'emotionally' Everyone knows that women, even taking aside the quarter of their life which they are uncapable of clear thought (pms), are irrational and emotionally unstable. It's common sense. It's why we have suppressed them for so long. Leave it to a vote-hungry liberal to allow them to vote.
Anyhow, i'm running off on a tangent.
This broad 'dakini' also thinks that man got 'cheated' on reproductive organs? Laugh?-- Ha Ha. Haw. Har.
I mean, nothing against a woman who fulfills her God-Intended role as a mother.. but for some feminist nut to think it is out-right easier to carry around a kid for 9 monthes? Give me a break.

Fuck it. It's a waste of water to wash a donkey's head.

Again with these petty thug-like personal attacks. It's really becoming a pest.
And as for you, Missy, I think you have a problem with authority (man).
Anyhow, first of all, I don't get how you are so called stronger 'emotionally' Everyone knows that women, even taking aside the quarter of their life which they are uncapable of clear thought (pms), are irrational and emotionally unstable. It's common sense. It's why we have suppressed them for so long. Leave it to a vote-hungry liberal to allow them to vote.
Anyhow, i'm running off on a tangent.
This broad 'dakini' also thinks that man got 'cheated' on reproductive organs? Laugh?-- Ha Ha. Haw. Har.
I mean, nothing against a woman who fulfills her God-Intended role as a mother.. but for some feminist nut to think it is out-right easier to carry around a kid for 9 monthes? Give me a break.

1) Prove, without quoting the bible, that men are superior. Link to your sources.
2) I've known guys that are pissier all their life then some women are once a month.
3) Look, I'm sorry, but the penis is retarded. It's like this little piece of extra skin that was left over, and god said "Oh, fuck it, might as well." It's the first to retreat in the face of danger, and it's the first to be over-excited when it really, really shouldn't be (ask any guy going through puberty :p). It cuts blood flow away from the brain. And it really makes you vulnerable.

I'm sorry, but if god created people, then he really messed up there. I mean...the penis is just DUMB.


Try me, broad.

You didn't answer the question, chauvinist.

just cause I can, and the fact this thread has gained at least 2 pages since I started reading page 1. Here is how I see this whole situation :)

Whether the woman or man realizes it or not, one does take on a more dominate role compared to the other (Granted it may be an stupidly subtle difference but never the less) AND for the most part, it is part of the unspoken part of a relationship. For women (or men) who take a more extreme submissive role in a relationship, many factors can apply from simply enjoyment, to the way their way and what not, which kinda makes it a mute point, just like most relationship issues, when other peopel dissect them. The fact I did alot of homework for a friend (the relationship was more than friendship, but not quite that) in subjects that came very easily to me, while she did the odd bit of french work for me, may seemed biased to someone outside the relationship, but to us, it was balanced. And in the end of the day, it really is the people in the relationship, who see all of the things involved in the process beyond "so and so does everything and his/her significant other is a lazy shit" should be the only ones to judge a situation. YES that idea does lead a portion of people into relationships that are quite onesided, but in my opinion, it does serve the person right to some extant, and also serves to a balance of sort in a relationship, uneven as it seems.
To further that point, I would look to myself, and realize that while I could be a good money maker, like my father, and fend for myself, I could not manage to schedule things as my mother does, by a long shot, and so like my father would prefer to have a women who could take care of that aspect of life for me, as she could probably do it better.
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Too bad none of the guys believe in decency, honor, and fairness

You obviously haven't met Pepe Dominguez.

There are decent people in the world, whether you believe it or not.. it's not all social anomie and role confusion...

Other than being the foundation upon which society was built?

I find it an insult to women to believe that they are somehow slighted by belonging to a traditional relationship. Specialization of labor and roles doesn't somehow entail inequality.. the traditional approach is healthier and more natural.

Actually, if you look throughout western history, you'll find that society was built on the backs of slavery, perversions, arrogence, cruelty...

...really, don't talk about society's foundations. There's nothing to brag about.

1) Prove, without quoting the bible, that men are superior. Link to your sources.
2) I've known guys that are pissier all their life then some women are once a month.
3) Look, I'm sorry, but the penis is retarded. It's like this little piece of extra skin that was left over, and god said "Oh, fuck it, might as well." It's the first to retreat in the face of danger, and it's the first to be over-excited when it really, really shouldn't be (ask any guy going through puberty :p). It cuts blood flow away from the brain. And it really makes you vulnerable.

I'm sorry, but if god created people, then he really messed up there. I mean...the penis is just DUMB.




You didn't answer the question, chauvinist.

Physics 'math' does not exceed first year calculus. I have a degree in Actuarial Sciences from Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois and am now a Graduate Student. I stand firm by my statement.

You obviously haven't met Pepe Dominguez.

There are decent people in the world, whether you believe it or not.. it's not all social anomie and role confusion...

I don't need to-you think that women are inherently unequal, therefore you are a jackass.

Actually, if you look throughout western history, you'll find that society was built on the backs of slavery, perversions, arrogence, cruelty...

...really, don't talk about society's foundations. There's nothing to brag about.

Nonsense.

"Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it" - George Orwell

Physics 'math' does not exceed first year calculus. I have a degree in Actuarial Sciences from Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois and am now a Graduate Student. I stand firm by my statement.

1) You DO realize that the whole purpose behind Calculus was FOR Physics, right? That's why we have it. Calculus= made for Physics.

2) Still haven't proven male superiority
3) Still haven't proved the penis' superiority

Other than being the foundation upon which society was built?

Not necessarily. It started out much differently, and as we progress (some more so than others) toward the future, the face of relationships will change.

I find it an insult to women to believe that they are somehow slighted by belonging to a traditional relationship. Specialization of labor and roles doesn't somehow entail inequality.. the traditional approach is healthier and more natural.
Just because you think it is an insult, doesn't mean that a woman will.

We just have different expectations; different dreams.

"The traditional approach" isn't necessarily healthier or even natural. Evolution of the human race is natural and healthier. Right now, we are headed toward relation transitions, and it's perfectly natural. Change is healthy, even if we don't like it.

This broad 'dakini' also thinks that man got 'cheated' on reproductive organs? Laugh?-- Ha Ha. Haw. Har.

you did really get cheated though...

i have a clitoris. it has twice as many nerve endings packed in a space the size of the very tip of my pinky finger than you have in your whole cock. i can have multiple orgasms without someone's hand/cock/whatever up my ass. i can fuck any time, all the time, and i don't need 20 mins to an hour in between sessions...

i really think men got the short end of the sex stick.

not to mention that i was saying that women put more hard work into reproducation than men do, idiot.

and it's not my god-intended role either.

Actually, no. I'm not through. There has been a scientific technique perfected, I might add, by a woman, which allows fertilization with cells other than sperm cells. We don't need men anymore to propegate the species. Besides which, the species would almost certainly die if there were a million men left in the world and just one woman.

I'd laugh my ass off if I could be a fly on the wall for that one. It wouldn't die out, however, if there were a million women and one man. We don't need all of them. I bet we could cull a good billion of the men alive on the earth today and not suffer for it. It's why war has always been an effective, yet not disastrous form of population control, because women aren't usually the majority of the casualties.

i meant since when is this so in the modern world?

i know that in the past women have been subjegated to such treatment, but we can do better now. there is no need for subordinate or dominant partners.
Pay closer attention to my post. Male Hegemony is everywhere. It's in the gender role's you're taught when you're young, it's in the structures of government and business (Glass ceiling? You may have heard of it?), hell, it's even in the so called "empowered" female athletes who tell us they can be strong, and feminine too... as though they were apologizing for something, or need to prove they're still feminine by posing for Playboy or Maxim. If we've changed so much, why do these "strong women" need to justify a god-damn thing?

You're right in saying "we can do better", and there is no NEED for dominance or subordinance in sexual relations. I never said it was necessary. Here's the thing though. Whether or not it's needed, or moral, or right or wrong, it's here. It's been here for a long time, and it's going to stay for a long time. If women want that to change, you have to start from square one, and realize that your subordinate position still exists. Maybe not for you, personally, but for thousands... no, millions of women around the world.

It exists in the hearts and minds of so many men, women, and the children they pass it on to. When you hear "doctor", or "lawyer", "President" or "CEO", what comes to mind? My money says it's a man... if not in your mind, than at least in the minds of the majority of people in this society. If you (Apparently a feminist, if you don't mind the assumption) don't think that indicates a problem..... God help you.

I don't need to-you think that women are inherently unequal, therefore you are a jackass.
I like you; you're gifted with common sense. :D ;) well said! ^_^

Actually, if you look throughout western history, you'll find that society was built on the backs of slavery, perversions, arrogence, cruelty...

...really, don't talk about society's foundations. There's nothing to brag about.

Hah, that's always rich.
Slaves were slaves for a reason.
We got the job done.-- And if any of you communists don't like the way in which our fore-fathers constructed this world's only superpower, then move to some 3rd rate economic hell-hole like Canada.
God Bless the United States

Too bad none of the guys believe in decency, honor, and fairness
Ahem . . . Really? None?
I am the father of two daughters and one granddaughter. I raised my two to know the difference between real men and assholes posing as men. If I live long enough my granddaughter will hear it from me too.

I don't need to-you think that women are inherently unequal, therefore you are a jackass.

I never said the woman MUST be the subordinate, only that it is in accordance with natural law... a woman certainly can construct an artificial environment wherein the male is the dependent, but it'd be an exception, right or wrong.

Nonsense.

"Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it" - George Orwell

I've studied anchient western civilization somewhat extensivly. Look at it. It a series of: wars, slaves building empires, more wars DESTROYING empires, royalty marrying family to make more empires, more wars because dammit, we just know that we're better then them, empirse collapsing AGAIN because someone else was just better then them...

The list goes on.


you did really get cheated though...

i have a clitoris. it has twice as many nerve endings packed in a space the size of the very tip of my pinky finger than you have in your whole cock. i can have multiple orgasms without someone's hand/cock/whatever up my ass. i can fuck any time, all the time, and i don't need 20 mins to an hour in between sessions...

i really think men got the short end of the sex stick.

not to mention that i was saying that women put more hard work into reproducation than men do, idiot.

and it's not my god-intended role either.

Guys, remember: one orgasm. That's sad. Really, it's pitiful.

Try me, broad.

lol. well, how about you diagonalize a matrix for us all...

better yet... take the following equation:

3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type fo conic section it is.

it's a very easy thing to do... well, one of the easier things we've had to do thus far.

would you like something simpler? i can ask some integration questions if you'd like...

I don't need to-you think that women are inherently unequal, therefore you are a jackass.

GAH! Why can't you people get along? There is no disagreement here!

I haven't ever seen more posts based purely around a failure of communication.

Bah. I'm going to bed.

Ahem . . . Really? None?
I am the father of two daughters and one granddaughter. I raised my two to know the difference between real men and assholes posing as men. If I live long enough my granddaughter will hear it from me too.

Thank you, Slap. I was getting awfully tired of people declaring men in traditional relationships indecent.. we need to get back to the real world here... honestly.

So the Burka's a good idea then?



God yes it's a good idea! Morality, decency, and modesty must be enforced! Just as we don't allow men to walk around with no pants on, why should women be allowed to walk around with 1/4 of a skirt on? (I mean for crying aloud, I've seen women dressed so whorishly, that you can see their underwear because their skirts are so hiked up or so short to begin with!) Modesty must be enforced if people won't take it upon themselves to practice it.

Besides, popular culture forcing women to put on make-up, spend two hours getting dressed up, and such, just to go to work, what is that? Are women not slaves to popular culture? Why do women need to look their best to go outside to the store? They're not married to the people they'll see in the store, they probably don't even know the people in the store. The woman is married to her husband and should only be concerned with looking appealing to him. And besides, women shouldn't have to be bothered with pig male whores leering at them.

Modesty must be enforced, for the benefit of all people and all of society.

you did really get cheated though...

i have a clitoris. it has twice as many nerve endings packed in a space the size of the very tip of my pinky finger than you have in your whole cock. i can have multiple orgasms without someone's hand/cock/whatever up my ass. i can fuck any time, all the time, and i don't need 20 mins to an hour in between sessions...

i really think men got the short end of the sex stick.

not to mention that i was saying that women put more hard work into reproducation than men do, idiot.

and it's not my god-intended role either.

Hah, you're one of a kind.
It's not pratical for women to brag about being whores.. but it's funny.

Ahem . . . Really? None?
I am the father of two daughters and one granddaughter. I raised my two to know the difference between real men and assholes posing as men. If I live long enough my granddaughter will hear it from me too.

Generalization, dude. I'm a guy, and I tend to think of myself as fairly decent :p.

Of course, I've also been called effemanate and...what was it? Ah yes, the "most homosexual hetrosexual" someone has known :p.

So...uhm...yeah, make of that what you will.

Hah, that's always rich.
Slaves were slaves for a reason.
We got the job done.-- And if any of you communists don't like the way in which our fore-fathers constructed this world's only superpower, then move to some 3rd rate economic hell-whole like Canada.
God Bless the United States

1) Canada isn't an economic hell hole, where did you get that from?
2) Who said any of us were communists, where did you get that from?
3) Who said any of us had a problem with the way the US is constructed, where did you get that from?
4) Are you saying that slavery is moral?

Pay closer attention to my post. Male Hegemony is everywhere. It's in the gender role's you're taught when you're young, it's in the structures of government and business (Glass ceiling? You may have heard of it?), hell, it's even in the so called "empowered" female athletes who tell us they can be strong, and feminine too... as though they were apologizing for something, or need to prove they're still feminine by posing for Playboy or Maxim. If we've changed so much, why do these "strong women" need to justify a god-damn thing?

You're right in saying "we can do better", and there is no NEED for dominance or subordinance in sexual relations. I never said it was necessary. Here's the thing though. Whether or not it's needed, or moral, or right or wrong, it's here. It's been here for a long time, and it's going to stay for a long time. If women want that to change, you have to start from square one, and realize that your subordinate position still exists. Maybe not for you, personally, but for thousands... no, millions of women around the world.

It exists in the hearts and minds of so many men, women, and the children they pass it on to. When you hear "doctor", or "lawyer", "President" or "CEO", what comes to mind? My money says it's a man... if not in your mind, than at least in the minds of the majority of people in this society. If you (Apparently a feminist, if you don't mind the assumption) don't think that indicates a problem..... God help you.


fair enough. but i actually pictured a female doctor and lawyer...

i always picture a ceo as a big fat, balding old man though... hunched over in a chair with a cigar.

I've studied anchient western civilization somewhat extensivly. Look at it. It a series of: wars, slaves building empires, more wars DESTROYING empires, royalty marrying family to make more empires, more wars because dammit, we just know that we're better then them, empirse collapsing AGAIN because someone else was just better then them...
.

Power stuggles happen in every society, from the dawn of Man to the present. This isn't an indictment of civilization. And slaves being kept as prisoners of war (serfs) was a social control that evolved along with the very same conflicts. Just because the Greeks were slaves to the Romans for a thousand years doesn't mean civilization is somehow evil or wrong.. the march of Man's intellect never falters.

Hah, you're one of a kind.
It's not pratical for women to brag about being whores.. but it's funny.

She's not.

She's saying that she'll have longer, and better sex then you'll ever have.

lol. well, how about you diagonalize a matrix for us all...

better yet... take the following equation:

3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type fo conic section it is.

it's a very easy thing to do... well, one of the easier things we've had to do thus far.

would you like something simpler? i can ask some integration questions if you'd like...

lol matrices? Welcome to algebra..
Don't waste my time, kid.
Are you going to throw some calculus at me or not.. I don't plan on doing 8th grade paper-work.

Power stuggles happen in every society, from the dawn of Man to the present. This isn't an indictment of civilization. And slaves being kept as prisoners of war (serfs) was a social control that evolved along with the very same conflicts. Just because the Greeks were slaves to the Romans for a thousand years doesn't mean civilization is somehow evil or wrong.. the march of Man's intellect never falters.

You misunderstand. I KNOW that power struggles always have, and always will happen.

What I'm saying is, that doesnt make it right. If there's one thing history has shown us, it's that society can very easily and very quickly became little more then a savage animal. Nothing to brag about.

Yes, a few individuals can make things better, but rarely does anything good come from a crowd.

lol matrices? Welcome to algebra..
Don't waste my time, kid.
Are you going to throw some calculus at me or not.. I don't plan on doing 8th grade paper-work.

If it's so easy, why not DO it and prove yourself right?

Hah, you're one of a kind.
It's not pratical for women to brag about being whores.. but it's funny.

who says i ahve to be a whore to enjoy sex?

i can experience all these pleasures with just one man, or even by myself.

imagine what these eight fingers and two thumbs can do... *wiggles fingers*

and also, how is it not practical? then upstanding *cough*gentlemen*suppressing a laugh* like you won't want me?

oh, too bad so sad, i don't have a chance with the chauvist. i think i'll stick with my boyfriend who respects me and cares about me for me, not my ability to bear him children.

She's not.

She's saying that she'll have longer, and better sex then you'll ever have.

Is this supposed to be more important than family, God and country? Physical hedonism? Traditional relationships support society for a reason: because they promote moral attitudes. Relationships based on hedonism weaken society, and, like it or not, degrade women socially.

Firstly, I have yet to see Pepe or KELHPTOPIA say anything to suggest that men have the right to cheat and that women do not.

Secondly, there are TONS of men who I would not ask to do math, as well as tons of women who can do it better than I (a male) can, which is itself probably better than most people here.

Thirdly and most importantly, if these people want to maintain their 19th century/puritan/gorean/sharya law attitudes and lifestyles with women who are freely consenting to participate in them, fine. More power to them, and their women too, if this is indeed what their women want. I haven't seen either of them saying that all women should be forced into these roles. In fact I noted Pepe saying that men can be in subordinate roles to women. For those that are, and wish to be, more power to them as well. In these days of modern times, when you can't tell the ACs from the DCs, there are more and more coequal relationships, but of those that are not there are far more M/f relationships than there are F/m relationships, and most of the women in them do not wish to be "liberated" by force of PC domination, any more than most Muslims want to be "liberated" to live western-style lives of secular freedom. Lay the fuck off of them, they are not pushing their lifestyles on you, or on their women, as you are seeking to do on them.

Would you be just as venomous to a dominant woman who keeps her man in line? No one is trying to make you control your woman, or for you women, be controlled by your man, but you are trying to make them cleave to your values. If they want a woman who is happy with kneeling, fine, and fine for her too. Give it up. And Ask a BDSM Fetishist: not all women want to be equals.

lol matrices? Welcome to algebra..
Don't waste my time, kid.
Are you going to throw some calculus at me or not.. I don't plan on doing 8th grade paper-work.

actually, this is what we were taught after we got through the easy work of calculus. honestly, if you think calc is a challenge, then you're in trouble here mister.

and as goed said, do it then, unless you're afraid that you can't.

and fuck, i have class tomorrow morning. i'll check on your progress and tell you how you're doing on working that matrix. (btw, i can get you doing differentail equations and calc with matricies if you'd like)

who says i ahve to be a whore to enjoy sex?

i can experience all these pleasures with just one man, or even by myself.

imagine what these eight fingers and two thumbs can do... *wiggles fingers*

and also, how is it not practical? then upstanding *cough*gentlemen*suppressing a laugh* like you won't want me?

oh, too bad so sad, i don't have a chance with the chauvist. i think i'll stick with my boyfriend who respects me and cares about me for me, not my ability to bear him children.

Haha.. her 'boyfriend'-- He's probably some gothic loser.

Haha.. her 'boyfriend'-- He's probably some gothic loser.

umm... not quite... way to make false assumptions about people you don't know though. real open minded of you... heh.

God yes it's a good idea! Morality, decency, and modesty must be enforced! Just as we don't allow men to walk around with no pants on, why should women be allowed to walk around with 1/4 of a skirt on? (I mean for crying aloud, I've seen women dressed so whorishly, that you can see their underwear because their skirts are so hiked up or so short to begin with!) Modesty must be enforced if people won't take it upon themselves to practice it.

Besides, popular culture forcing women to put on make-up, spend two hours getting dressed up, and such, just to go to work, what is that? Are women not slaves to popular culture? Why do women need to look their best to go outside to the store? They're not married to the people they'll see in the store, they probably don't even know the people in the store. The woman is married to her husband and should only be concerned with looking appealing to him. And besides, women shouldn't have to be bothered with pig male whores leering at them.

Modesty must be enforced, for the benefit of all people and all of society.


Anybody going to comment?

actually, this is what we were taught after we got through the easy work of calculus. honestly, if you think calc is a challenge, then you're in trouble here mister.

and as goed said, do it then, unless you're afraid that you can't.

and fuck, i have class tomorrow morning. i'll check on your progress and tell you how you're doing on working that matrix. (btw, i can get you doing differentail equations and calc with matricies if you'd like)

You want me to differentiate that equation? Implictly or what? Just find f'(x) f'(y) .. add with respect to dy/dx and divide.. it's first-year calculus.. pinhead.

Haha.. her 'boyfriend'-- He's probably some gothic loser.

Did you really just post that? I mean, you made a post for no purpose other then to sound idiotic and to insult someone.

Really, try making a "point" every so often now.


Is this supposed to be more important than family, God and country? Physical hedonism? Traditional relationships support society for a reason: because they promote moral attitudes. Relationships based on hedonism weaken society, and, like it or not, degrade women socially.

No, not at all. The whole point of that argument was who had the best genetalia :p

umm... not quite... way to make false assumptions about people you don't know though. real open minded of you... heh.

I can assume whatever I want. And I stand by my assumption.

You want me to differentiate that equation? Implictly or what? Just find f'(x) f'(y) .. add with respect to dy/dx and divide.. it's first-year calculus.. pinhead.

Haha.. I know this is way off topic, but.... Zing! :p

Thank you, Slap. I was getting awfully tired of people declaring men in traditional relationships indecent.. we need to get back to the real world here... honestly.
Actually Pepe, I was talking against your stance, not for it. I'll be damned if I raise my girls to be a slave to some over fed egoistic blowhard. They're too good for that.

Is this supposed to be more important than family, God and country? Physical hedonism? Traditional relationships support society for a reason: because they promote moral attitudes. Relationships based on hedonism weaken society, and, like it or not, degrade women socially.

when did i say that i had to be in a relationship to enjoy multiple orgasms. when did i say that my relationship was based on anything other than love?

and if you ask me, relationships that revolve around the production of children are quite fucked up and degrade women as well as men...

fair enough. but i actually pictured a female doctor and lawyer...

i always picture a ceo as a big fat, balding old man though... hunched over in a chair with a cigar.
Well, two out of three stereotypes down.
That's about all for me, as long as my position is clear. If it's not... screw it.

Anybody going to comment?

I'm with you. Controlling your woman (without force) is legal and natural.. this isn't rocket-science. Demanding modesty and respect is a minimum requirement, not some fascist code..

Let the hedonists and the liberals go about their ways, and we'll continue the traditions that keep society healthy. You can all thank us later.

Anybody going to comment?

Probably not, you being a known fascist fucktard and all.

Would you be just as venomous to a dominant woman who keeps her man in line? No one is trying to make you control your woman, or for you women, be controlled by your man, but you are trying to make them cleave to your values. If they want a woman who is happy with kneeling, fine, and fine for her too. Give it up. And Ask a BDSM Fetishist: not all women want to be equals.

Actually, I'd be just as hard on a domineering woman. My brother is with a girl who has him whipped, and she does nothing around the house or outside of it, except spend his paycheck and keep the kids in front of the TV so that she doesn't have to exert any effort on parenting. He works 16 hour days sometimes, at least 10 hours most of the time, and she won't even make his life a little easier by washing his clothes and having something for him to eat when he gets home. Instead, he spends another three hours after work doing it for himself, and nobody can get near him to have a word with him alone, to see if he's happy with the arrangement, because she keeps a close eye on where he is in proximity to anyone who might ask.

You want me to differentiate that equation? Implictly or what? Just find f'(x) f'(y) .. add with respect to dy/dx and divide.. it's first-year calculus.. pinhead.

umm... no, i want you to solve the equation i gave you using a matrix and tell me what conical section it is. show your work please.

and there's more calc past first year, so you know.

Anybody going to comment?

What kind of comment would you like? ;)

I'm with you. Controlling your woman (without force) is legal and natural.. this isn't rocket-science. Demanding modesty and respect is a minimum requirement, not some fascist code..

Let the hedonists and the liberals go about their ways, and we'll continue the traditions that keep society healthy. You can all thank us later.

...shoulda known... ;)

I'm with you. Controlling your woman (without force) is legal and natural.. this isn't rocket-science. Demanding modesty and respect is a minimum requirement, not some fascist code..

Let the hedonists and the liberals go about their ways, and we'll continue the traditions that keep society healthy. You can all thank us later.

Amen.

What kind of comment would you like? ;)


Whatever you want to say, just be honest and polite.

you did really get cheated though...

i have a clitoris. it has twice as many nerve endings packed in a space the size of the very tip of my pinky finger than you have in your whole cock. i can have multiple orgasms without someone's hand/cock/whatever up my ass. i can fuck any time, all the time, and i don't need 20 mins to an hour in between sessions...

i really think men got the short end of the sex stick.

nature's way of making sure we did other things with our time :p

and if you ask me, relationships that revolve around the production of children are quite fucked up and degrade women as well as men...

Again, this is the kind of warped logic that assumes women don't or shouldn't care about society as a whole.. a healthy country is one that values family and morality.. and if you don't want to pull your weight, other, more decent people will.

Actually, I'd be just as hard on a domineering woman. My brother is with a girl who has him whipped, and she does nothing around the house or outside of it, except spend his paycheck and keep the kids in front of the TV so that she doesn't have to exert any effort on parenting. He works 16 hour days sometimes, at least 10 hours most of the time, and she won't even make his life a little easier by washing his clothes and having something for him to eat when he gets home. Instead, he spends another three hours after work doing it for himself, and nobody can get near him to have a word with him alone, to see if he's happy with the arrangement, because she keeps a close eye on where he is in proximity to anyone who might ask.


She's too liberated to be bothered to do any work for the male dominated sexist establishment. Doing work goes against what she is all about... Heaven forbid she have to cook his dinner, it'll bring back the collective memories of eons of male oppression (protection) of women.

Women should be feminine, not feminist, and certainly not feminazist.

Actually, I'd be just as hard on a domineering woman. My brother is with a girl who has him whipped, and she does nothing around the house or outside of it, except spend his paycheck and keep the kids in front of the TV so that she doesn't have to exert any effort on parenting. He works 16 hour days sometimes, at least 10 hours most of the time, and she won't even make his life a little easier by washing his clothes and having something for him to eat when he gets home. Instead, he spends another three hours after work doing it for himself, and nobody can get near him to have a word with him alone, to see if he's happy with the arrangement, because she keeps a close eye on where he is in proximity to anyone who might ask.

...and he's got no phone at work? If he's not happy he should grow a pair, as should any woman who is not happy with the way her man treats her. If a man won't let her leave, that's a topic for discussion.

umm... no, i want you to solve the equation i gave you using a matrix and tell me what conical section it is. show your work please.

and there's more calc past first year, so you know.

First tell me how you want me to solve the equation using a matrix.. what does the equation represent? A probability? You are not making any sense.

She's too liberated to be bothered to do any work for the male dominated sexist establishment. Doing work goes against what she is all about... Heaven forbid she have to cook his dinner, it'll bring back the collective memories of eons of male oppression (protection) of women.

Women should be feminine, not feminist, and certainly not feminazist.

Women, and men, should be free to be what they want to be, provided all are consenting. I had nothing against what Pepe had to say but you are, as always, full of pig shit.

umm... no, i want you to solve the equation i gave you using a matrix and tell me what conical section it is. show your work please.

and there's more calc past first year, so you know.

and with respect to probablity, on a TI-89 you can use the stats option and simply type the equation in 1-2-3. It is NOT calculus. Obviously you know nothing of integration.

Well, it's not really disrespect since whores don't deserve any respect in the first place. If some broad can't keep her legs shut and craps out some loser kid it's not my problem.. seriously. And the liberal filth in DC wants my tax dollars for it?
Well since the conservative filth in DC doesn't want her to have an abortion, YES!
Hey, let's face it people. Women, by nature, are physically and emotionally weaker
I will kick your ass and make you cry without batting a perfectly mascaraed eyelash.
narrow-minded, and irrational. Lots of which cannot partake in reasonable and rational debate>> Even on this forum.
I'm just stating the obvious, but you are the only one who is exhibiting narrow-minded and irrational behavior here.
No, we are not being 'Sexist' or anything by that when we degrade these whores
Please for the sake of future generations, cut your nuts off now.
obviously Man created woman (as says in the bible) to serve by his side as a companion.
What particular Bible are you reading? Chapter and verse please. The Bible doesn't say that literally OR allegorically.
Sounds like someone's mama wasn't very nice to him.

...and he's got no phone at work? If he's not happy he should grow a pair, as should any woman who is not happy with the way her man treats her. If a man won't let her leave, that's a topic for discussion.


Muslims have an interesting way of handling disobedient and/or lazy women (not that I agree with this, just see how it is in some other lands) I've never thought physical violence (against anybody) was a viable solution to problems.


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Probably not, you being a known fascist fucktard and all.
Warned for flaming.

Haha.. I know this is way off topic, but.... Zing! :p
except that that's not what the question was.

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

that's not what he's talking about.

what he's talking about is first year calc.

what i'm talking about is third year...

So...wait.

I have yet to see proof that men are superior to women, just as I have yet to see proof that men and women should do specific chores and such.

What I have seen is the believe that a woman who doesn't pump out babies is a negative force.

What the fuck?

Well since the conservative filth in DC don't want her to have an abortion, YES!

Please for the sake of future generations, cut your nuts off now.

What particular Bible are you reading? Chapter and verse please. The Bible doesn't say that literally OR allegorically.
Sounds like someone's mama wasn't very nice to him.

Eugh, now we're pulling out the abortion-card?
Murderer.

Aside from what science and medicine can currently do to alter the situation...

Men and women are two equal and different halves of a single whole. Literally neither can exist without the other (remember, SEE ABOVE). Neither is superior in every respect to the other. Men are not solely to blame for the troubles and horrors of the world, nor are they soley responsible for the joys and wonders. But both sexes have played equal parts. Some in front, some behind the scenes. Some as the instrument, some as the hand that wields it.

Now. A majority of male scientists and doctors over time have brought technology into play, to allow women to conceive without men. It might indeed mean men are unnecessary in the far future. But it would never have happened without men. You cannot ignore that fact. Einstein's wife actually wrote most of his papers. Great. You know what that means? It means women are just as responsible for the potential extinction of the human race at the hands of nuclear weapons. How many female scientists are working in labs right now, on potential biological and chemical weapons? Neither sex is better than the other.

Religion is a crutch, for evey argument involving religion ignores pieces and parts of the dogma, because it is inconvienent to bring them up. Religion is a personal, individual thing. It starts and ends on one person. If you attempt to force anyone to believe in what you believe, you violate the tenants of your religion, nullifying it's validity. So using it here means nothing.

The fact still remains that the only people who suffer here, are the nice men. The males who attempt to treat EVERYONE well. They get scoffed at by both sexes.

...and he's got no phone at work? If he's not happy he should grow a pair, as should any woman who is not happy with the way her man treats her. If a man won't let her leave, that's a topic for discussion.

Those of us who care about him think that it's got to be his decision. He doesn't seem to have thought of the work phone, but she had one kid and told him it was his, and I know damned well he didn't shell out $2000 to verify this via paternity test, and she says he'd be asked for $30k in back child support if he got his name on the birth certificate, (I got news for him. He was 15 when the boy was conceived. Even if it's his, there's no way they can nail him for child support without going after her for statutory rape. She was over 18 at the time) and then she had another child. He's not going to leave his kid. I wouldn't ask him to do it, either. SO...it's got to be his decision.

As for her doing some laundry or having dinner cooked for him, I think it would be a nice thing to do, that it would make his life a little easier, and that it's little enough to ask.

except that that's not what the question was.

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

that's not what he's talking about.

what he's talking about is first year calc.

what i'm talking about is third year...

Haha, you said 'solve the equation'-- with respect to what? Answer me, idiot.

The fact still remains that the only people who suffer here, are the nice men. The males who attempt to treat EVERYONE well. They get scoffed at by both sexes.

Bloody true, that...

Ahem . . . Really? None?
I am the father of two daughters and one granddaughter. I raised my two to know the difference between real men and assholes posing as men. If I live long enough my granddaughter will hear it from me too.Generalization, dude. I'm a guy, and I tend to think of myself as fairly decent :p.

Of course, I've also been called effemanate and...what was it? Ah yes, the "most homosexual hetrosexual" someone has known :p.

So...uhm...yeah, make of that what you will.

I abhor generalization. Why not be specific and say "many" or "most"? To generalize, "Too bad none of the guys believe in decency, honor, and fairness" is an unwarrented blanket statement that no degree of social pedigree can offset. There are many decent men of honor who are eminently fairminded. We don't make headlines, we don't stir controversy but we exist in larger numbers than generalization allow.

and with respect to probablity, on a TI-89 you can use the stats option and simply type the equation in 1-2-3. It is NOT calculus. Obviously you know nothing of integration.

obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

this isn't a calculus class i'm taking. i already took three of those in university, so i wouldn't be questioning my integration abilities if i were you... answer the following question using the following method and show your work.

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

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Spousal abuse is spousal abuse. Take it from me, I, a male, have been a victim of it. Institutional or otherwise it is wrong. What does that have to do with men or women who choose to be submissive?

So...wait.

I have yet to see proof that men are superior to women, just as I have yet to see proof that men and women should do specific chores and such.

What I have seen is the believe that a woman who doesn't pump out babies is a negative force.

What the fuck?

Women are only inferior if you consider their proper role in society to be inferior. I, for one, don't. Women have a traditional and natural role in society, and if people consider it subordinate or inferior, then that's their value judgment, not mine. I demand a degree of morality that some "liberated" women are too fraile to adhere to, out of selfishness or role confusion, perpetuated by the media, but in reality, we are equals.

Haha, you said 'solve the equation'-- with respect to what? Answer me, idiot.

umm... i said take the equation, not solve.

and what you have to do is make it into a symmetric matrix first, then you have to diagonalize the matrix, then you have to figure out what shape it is based on the values on the diagonal.

it's not rocket science, especially after i tell you every step. here's the question again:

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

this isn't calculus as i said already. this is a couple classes beyond first year calc.

would you like me to help you by giving you the symmetric matrix?

Warned for flaming.

Thanks, apologies, and thanks for not going after the second one. ;)

BTW is saying that you wish someone would die a virgin considered flaming? Or calling someone "idiot"?

I abhor generalization. Why not be specific and say "many" or "most"? To generalize, "Too bad none of the guys believe in decency, honor, and fairness" is an unwarrented blanket statement that no degree of social pedigree can offset. There are many decent men of honor who are eminently fairminded. We don't make headlines, we don't stir controversy but we exist in larger numbers than generalization allow.

Well, I could certainly make excuses like "well, they were doing it about women..." but I won't because I really was in the wrong :p

Sorry, that. I just say what I see, and I have rotton luck when it comes to meeting people.

Stupid Princeton University.

And where did I mention the taliban. Oodles of women are forced to wear burquas (I assume that's the plural) outside of afganistan. The burqua is a muslim ideal, along with polygamy and paedophilia.

Anyway I was just asking if it was a good idea, yes or no ?Wrong, wrong and wrong again. The Burqua is used by extremists, the koran only requires modesty, the vast majority of muslim women comply with this by simply covering their hair. Polygamy is as practiced in Islam as it is by various extreme splinter Christian sects, before you quote some lame tract of the Koran, remember polygamy is common in the bible also. And the pedophilia claim is just ignorant, many developing country have very different views as to what constitutes adulthood (and since the followers of Islam are the largest religious group on the planet, they do account for more than a few developing countries), when you only live to be 40 it makes since to start raising a family as soon as possible, even some states in America still make marraige OK for girls as young as 13. Cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

Women are only inferior if you consider their proper role in society to be inferior. I, for one, don't. Women have a traditional and natural role in society, and if people consider it subordinate or inferior, then that's their value judgment, not mine. I demand a degree of morality that some "liberated" women are too fraile to adhere to, out of selfishness or role confusion, perpetuated by the media, but in reality, we are equals.

Seperate is not equal.

In believing that there are seperate roles, you are inherently believing in unequalness.

For there to be specific gender roles, one gender must be better then the other in different things. Since often-and in your perspective-it is seen that the male of the relationship aught to be the head of the family, this means that the female is in an insubordinate position. Therefore, she is unequal.

obviously you don't know what you're talking about.

this isn't a calculus class i'm taking. i already took three of those in university, so i wouldn't be questioning my integration abilities if i were you... answer the following question using the following method and show your work.

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

Way to avoid the question.
You're almost as bad as the negroes.

Spousal abuse is spousal abuse. Take it from me, I, a male, have been a victim of it. Institutional or otherwise it is wrong. What does that have to do with men or women who choose to be submissive?




Yes, and my mother was such that had my father beaten her senseless, I would have said she deserved every bit of it (He never touched her though). (I'm not going to go into details about that because her actions are a shame and disgrace to my family name)



Although I am not for violence, and couldn't bring myself to hit a woman (unless she hit me first, because I think if a woman is going to be tough enough to punch a man, she'd better be tough enough to get into a full-blown fight and have him fight back, but getting back to the main idea), I'm against hitting women, but had my father ever hit my mother (he didn't, but I can't blame him if he ever wanted to) I wouldn't have argued against it, because anybody who was aware of the situations, would have known he would have been justified to do it (Not just that she hit him, and often, but there were other things, things I won't get into because they are disgraceful and a shame to the family name)

Anybody going to comment?
OK . . .troll

Way to avoid the question.
You're almost as bad as the negroes.

That's what I was waiting for.

You opinion has now been nulified.

Since recorded history, maybe.
Or maybe not, depending on how far back into "recorded" history you go.
Honestly, do you think if you can just ignore millenia of patriarchy it will just go away? Male dominance is pervasive; it exists in just about any area in Western Society you could name. It's in your workplace, your school, your church, your neighbourhood. It's there when you turn on the television, read an advertisement, or watch a sporting event.

Pretending that women aren't subordinate, disadvantaged, and influenced by men's hegemony, doesn't make it any less true.
Alas, but by pretending that it was always that way doesn't make it less wrong. There was a time when women were venerated, dare I say worshipped, by men. For you see, men want boys to carry forth their bloodline. Without women, that is not possible.

Way to avoid the question.
You're almost as bad as the negroes.

Troll #2

Women are only inferior if you consider their proper role in society to be inferior. I, for one, don't. Women have a traditional and natural role in society, and if people consider it subordinate or inferior, then that's their value judgment, not mine. I demand a degree of morality that some "liberated" women are too fraile to adhere to, out of selfishness or role confusion, perpetuated by the media, but in reality, we are equals.

Yeah, no kidding. Pepe 4 Prez.

Seperate is not equal.

In believing that there are seperate roles, you are inherently believing in unequalness.

For there to be specific gender roles, one gender must be better then the other in different things. Since often-and in your perspective-it is seen that the male of the relationship aught to be the head of the family, this means that the female is in an insubordinate position. Therefore, she is unequal.


Men and woman are not equal, but the only ones who seem willing to admit this are the arabs. (Note that I believe men and women are equal in certain fundamental regards, but not total equality in ability and such)


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you know, i've never really bothered to post much on these forums...

there's always someone feeling abused, or insecure about themselves or there race, and then there's always someone to come along and shout abuse at them.

it's a whole big cycle of idiocy.

I think, if we look at things from this point of view. 99% of people, are narrow minded, intolerant scum. What we don't understand we hate.. it's fear.

Now, all of you are very intelligent people, and I know you all understand this, but you all have seemed to have lost your way.

This is the internet, you never listen to anybody on the internet, they are full of shit. Don't take it to heart, don't always believe them.

Some men hate women, some women hate men, some whites hate blacks, some indians hate pakistani's and some isrealies and palisteins will spent all day killing themselves. But what good does arguing on a chat forum do?


Lets all calm down and get back to the original point..


why is it that so many people here have such a negative attitude towards women?


it's quite disgusting, frankly.

if she gets pregnant outside marriage, it's because she's a stupid whore.
highschool girls are dirty whores.

if ever a woman enjoys sex or does it with more than one person in her whole life, she's a whore.



Why do many people have a negative attitutde about anyone? cos they can... can i ask? why do some women have such a negative attitude towards men?

if a girl gets pregnant, outside of marriage and if she's either a) Underage, or b) without a stable life.. she's just stupid.. simple as

and as for the whore thing? it's not quite that black and white is it? Women who will sleep with everyone, is a whore. Women who enjoy sex? Nympho... perhaps?

If your called a whore for simply having sex with more than one partner, then the person who called you a whore, is simply stupid, and probably a virgin :P



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Seperate is not equal.

In believing that there are seperate roles, you are inherently believing in unequalness.

For there to be specific gender roles, one gender must be better then the other in different things. Since often-and in your perspective-it is seen that the male of the relationship aught to be the head of the family, this means that the female is in an insubordinate position. Therefore, she is unequal.

If you think taking care of the household is an inferior role, then in your view it would be. In my view, it isn't. Separation of roles is not inequality, as each are important in their own right. Like I said, Man has free will, and can enter into relationships freely. If a woman doesn't have the strength of character to endure a traditional relationship, then it isn't for her. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.

Men and woman are not equal, but the only ones who seem willing to admit this are the arabs. (Note that I believe men and women are equal in certain fundamental regards, but not total equality in ability and such)


http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=137

Prove it.

why is it that so many people here have such a negative attitude towards women?


it's quite disgusting, frankly.

if she gets pregnant outside marriage, it's because she's a stupid whore.
highschool girls are dirty whores.

if ever a woman enjoys sex or does it with more than one person in her whole life, she's a whore.


It's because estrogen renders us stupid...I've said too much...I'm putting the burqua back on, just don't cut my hands off.

That's what I was waiting for.

You opinion has now been nulified.

Well it's long been obvious that her math is far better than his, so this nulification is pretty moot. ;)

First tell me how you want me to solve the equation using a matrix.. what does the equation represent? A probability? You are not making any sense.

the equation is a function. what else would it be.

Alas, but by pretending that it was always that way doesn't make it less wrong. .

Yes, but Hume's thesis doesn't take natural law into account.

It's because estrogen renders us stupid...I've said too much...I'm putting the burqua back on, just don't cut my hands off.

Anybody ever tell you how hot you look in that burqua? ;)

If you think taking care of the household is an inferior role, then in your view it would be. In my view, it isn't. Separation of roles is not inequality, as each are important in their own right. Like I said, Man has free will, and can enter into relationships freely. If a woman doesn't have the strength of character to endure a traditional relationship, then it isn't for her. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.

What I'm saying is, that in the belief that men and women are designed for specific tasks, you already show that one of them is unequal to the other.

There is only one reason one gender would be better then the other in doing something-because it is better at doing that.

To believe that one gender is inherently better at doing something then the other is sexism. Pure and simple.

Women are statistically worse at math. It's been proven in research.
Just like that one broad who copied some 'matrix' problem from the back of her textbook. She told me to solve it without any respect to a variable. Shameful, really.

Yes, but Hume's thesis doesn't take natural law into account.

You make the assumption that natural law would dictate for one gender to be superior in tasks then the other. Despite all the times I've asked for proof, I have yet to see it.

Women are statistically worse at math. It's been proven in research.
Just like that one broad who copied some 'matrix' problem from the back of her textbook. She told me to solve it without any respect to a variable. Shameful, really.

You couldn't answer it.

I was not away that the human head could fit that far up the human anus.

or is that science talk too much for you?

Way to avoid the question.
You're almost as bad as the negroes.

i'm not avoiding the question... i'm trying to explain the question, i even gave you the steps and told you how to do it.

why can't you?

why is a girl better at math than you?

*waits for short circuit*

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

What I'm saying is, that in the belief that men and women are designed for specific tasks, you already show that one of them is unequal to the other.

There is only one reason one gender would be better then the other in doing something-because it is better at doing that.

To believe that one gender is inherently better at doing something then the other is sexism. Pure and simple.

Men are generally better at 1) peeing while standing up; 2) getting women pregnent; and 3) making asses of themselves. (Self case in point ;) )

Prove it.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0887388698/qid=1098169957/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-3819480-8286534?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

out of print there, can be found here:


http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=um2UDcFAiK&isbn=0887388698&itm=1

Whatever you want to say, just be honest and polite.


I'm still debating whether your post was sarcasm. But, this whole business of the woman only needing to be appealing to her husband, is he not just as responsible for being appealing to her? Most women who take the time to put on make-up and brush their hair aren't doing so out of concern for who might see them, but because it makes them feel good about themselves. And we don't need to worry about the "male pig whores" who might leer at us. "Men" with that mentality will leer at anything that moves, regardless.
Modesty, assuming it can be enforced, goes both ways. I've seen guys decked out in what they think are some pretty studly threads. Will it be enforced on them, as well? Probably not, because there's a double standard.
It isn't that women aren't equal to men, it's men who are afraid of strong women trying to keep them "in their place."
This whole "natural order" business is bull. If women were naturally meant to be the weaker, then why are women better able to handle stress, multi-tasking, pain, better able to deal with their emotions and unafraid to show them (all scientific fact)?
Goes a little beyond your modesty comment, but what the heck... ;)

Women are statistically worse at math. It's been proven in research.
Just like that one broad who copied some 'matrix' problem from the back of her textbook. She told me to solve it without any respect to a variable. Shameful, really.'Broad', huh? Get used to those nights alone dude.

Just saying.. some whore rooting around town is not what Man intended when he created woman.-- It's in the Bible.
Would you please stop it. You are wronger than wrong.
"So God created Man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27

i'm not avoiding the question... i'm trying to explain the question, i even gave you the steps and told you how to do it.

why can't you?

why is a girl better at math than you?

*waits for short circuit*

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

Baby, if I was a switch I would be begging to lick your boots right now! ;)

P.S.: Ops, I have had a shitty day... please be gentle? :)

Women are statistically worse at math. It's been proven in research.
Just like that one broad who copied some 'matrix' problem from the back of her textbook. She told me to solve it without any respect to a variable. Shameful, really.

you don't need to solve it at all...

you don't need another variable.

this isn't calculus.

do you want me to do it for you?

i think i've given you more than enough time to work this problem for yourself, but if you want to refeem yourself...

and yes, men do have naturally better spatial abilities than women which make them better at math. however, it is possible to learn and overcome that nature. for instance, i'm sure that i've had to take many more math classes than you have, thus i have learned more math and can thus kick your ass quite thoroughly.

would you really like me to take you through the problem?

i'm not avoiding the question... i'm trying to explain the question, i even gave you the steps and told you how to do it.

why can't you?

why is a girl better at math than you?

*waits for short circuit*

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

Better at math? Laughable. Throw some calc at me, genius. Not this hi-ho physics matrix hogwash. That's for minors. Besides, what do you plan on doing with a degree in Physics? -- Laugh

Well, I could certainly make excuses like "well, they were doing it about women..." but I won't because I really was in the wrong :p

Sorry, that. I just say what I see, and I have rotton luck when it comes to meeting people.
Well met. Better luck with people. They are a thorny lot sometimes. :fluffle:

Baby, if I was a switch I would be begging to lick your boots right now! ;)

P.S.: Ops, I have had a shitty day... please be gentle? :)

*blushes*

oh my!

*is gentle*

and with respect to probablity, on a TI-89 you can use the stats option and simply type the equation in 1-2-3. It is NOT calculus. Obviously you know nothing of integration.

I'll add my voice to this. If it's so easy, just do it. You've wasted more time debating how it's so easy it's beneath you, you could have had it done by now (theoretically). Otherwise, you just prove Dakini right.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0887388698/qid=1098169957/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-3819480-8286534?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

out of print there, can be found here:


http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=um2UDcFAiK&isbn=0887388698&itm=1

I'm not going to buy a bloody book.

It shouldn't be hard to prove this to me. So give me facts that show men are superior.

Better at math? Laughable. Throw some calc at me, genius. Not this hi-ho physics matrix hogwash. That's for minors. Besides, what do you plan on doing with a degree in Physics? -- Laugh

You have yet to answer the question

you don't need to solve it at all...

you don't need another variable.

this isn't calculus.

do you want me to do it for you?

i think i've given you more than enough time to work this problem for yourself, but if you want to refeem yourself...

and yes, men do have naturally better spatial abilities than women which make them better at math. however, it is possible to learn and overcome that nature. for instance, i'm sure that i've had to take many more math classes than you have, thus i have learned more math and can thus kick your ass quite thoroughly.

would you really like me to take you through the problem?

No thanks.. It's pretty worthless.. from an Actuarial standpoint... I have no desire to learn that hogwash

"So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man."
Genesis 2:21-22

Better at math? Laughable. Throw some calc at me, genius. Not this hi-ho physics matrix hogwash. That's for minors. Besides, what do you plan on doing with a degree in Physics? -- Laugh

pursue a phd in astrophysics or go to teacher's college and inspire the love of physics in a future generation.

and again, this isn't your bullshit first year calc that was a repeat of highschool. this is the class all the calc classes were prereq's for.

Better at math? Laughable. Throw some calc at me, genius. Not this hi-ho physics matrix hogwash. That's for minors. Besides, what do you plan on doing with a degree in Physics? -- Laugh

Yeah, matrices are so minor that after 100 or so posts you still can't demonstrate any ability in them. *LMAO* How does it feel to be PWNED???

"So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man."
Genesis 2:21-22

OMG my sides are hurting!!! :D

I bet you still think women have more ribs than men?

"Male and female created They them."

No thanks.. It's pretty worthless.. from an Actuarial standpoint... I have no desire to learn that hogwash

You obviously are inferior in math.

If I'm wrong, prove it.




Oh, and I'm a guy, and I'm horrid at math. And science. Just not my thing at ALL. I love logic puzzles and whatnot, but when it comes to decked out formulaes, long equations, and difficult proofs, my mind just goes "Hey, screw that man. Go read some Wilde"

OMG my sides are hurting!!! :D

I bet you still think women have more ribs than men?

"Male and female created They them."

Uh...she's showing how man didn't create woman biblically. Not that it's true :p

Yes, and my mother was such that had my father beaten her senseless, I would have said she deserved every bit of it (He never touched her though). (I'm not going to go into details about that because her actions are a shame and disgrace to my family name)

Sorry to hear of it DA. Both sexes have their less appealing members. Chin up! There are many good ones too! :cool:

No thanks.. It's pretty worthless.. from an Actuarial standpoint... I have no desire to learn that hogwash

but it's really quite simple...

Better at math? Laughable. Throw some calc at me, genius. Not this hi-ho physics matrix hogwash. That's for minors. Besides, what do you plan on doing with a degree in Physics? -- Laugh

Just solve the damn problem. If it is beneath you, solve it right, and prove how easy it really is. All you are doing is avoiding it. Every time you brush it aside, you are only further proving you CANNOT solve it. Hell, by now I could have Googled the knowledge to solve it. And I'm no math wizard as you claim.

Just solve the damned problem and make your point. Or admit it is beyond you, and admit you were wrong.

Because the biggest failing of either sex is not being able to admit their failings.

Men and woman are not equal, but the only ones who seem willing to admit this are the arabs. (Note that I believe men and women are equal in certain fundamental regards, but not total equality in ability and such)
Agreed. In some ways women have it all over men.

if anyone wants the answer to the question, they'll have to wait until tomorrow, i'm going to bed.

pursue a phd in astrophysics or go to teacher's college and inspire the love of physics in a future generation.

and again, this isn't your bullshit first year calc that was a repeat of highschool. this is the class all the calc classes were prereq's for.

Hah, always with 'teachers colleges'-- Crawling into a teachers union like a disease. And all astrophysics are done by simple-computer work. The is no job-demand. It's basically math that requires no improvation. Unlike actuarial sciences.

Yes, and my mother was such that had my father beaten her senseless, I would have said she deserved every bit of it (He never touched her though). (I'm not going to go into details about that because her actions are a shame and disgrace to my family name)



Although I am not for violence, and couldn't bring myself to hit a woman (unless she hit me first, because I think if a woman is going to be tough enough to punch a man, she'd better be tough enough to get into a full-blown fight and have him fight back, but getting back to the main idea), I'm against hitting women, but had my father ever hit my mother (he didn't, but I can't blame him if he ever wanted to) I wouldn't have argued against it, because anybody who was aware of the situations, would have known he would have been justified to do it (Not just that she hit him, and often, but there were other things, things I won't get into because they are disgraceful and a shame to the family name)

If I had not already been smacked down by an Op in this thread I would be happily mocking your "family"'s "honor".

Please do not even answer any posts of mine, including this one, unless I am calling you one one of your Jew-baiting posts. In fact, I would very much prefer that you leave here and go bait some Jews, somewhere else.

Thank you for your time.

Agreed. In some ways women have it all over men.

and in some ways they don't. if you could put men and women on either sides of a cosmic scale, they would balance out. They are EQUAL, but DIFFERENT.

a one-pound weight on a scale, is equal to sixteen one-ounce weights. They look different, take up a different volume of space, have a different tactile sensation when held in the hand, but are still equal. Equal, but different.

Hah, always with 'teachers colleges'-- Crawling into a teachers union like a disease. And all astrophysics are done by simple-computer work. The is no job-demand. It's basically math that requires no improvation. Unlike actuarial sciences.

"Improvation"? Apparently actuarial sciences do not require english, huh? Quit making up words and either solve the problem or admit that you cannot.

Hah, always with 'teachers colleges'-- Crawling into a teachers union like a disease. And all astrophysics are done by simple-computer work. The is no job-demand. It's basically math that requires no improvation. Unlike actuarial sciences.

...right... no one is interested in how the universe was formed... that's it... and no one can ever want to educate young people... you have to love the union...

and you really don't know anything about anything, do you?

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

Women are statistically worse at math. It's been proven in research.
Just like that one broad who copied some 'matrix' problem from the back of her textbook. She told me to solve it without any respect to a variable. Shameful, really.

Women are institutionally encouraged less in math. It's been historically proven.

P.S.: Pepe it seems has a brain. He bailed and went to bed while he still had my respect.

Men are better at some things than women. Women are better at some things than men. Neither are perfect, neither can claim dominance over the other at everything. These sorts of debates are realy quite amusing as both sides of the argument try desperately to destroy the other. I'm sure there is a list of things women can do better than men, but I'm equally sure there is a list of things men can do better than women. Both lists would make each just as important to the human race.

...right... no one is interested in how the universe was formed... that's it...

and you really don't know anything about anything, do you?

take the equation: 3x^2 + 8xy + 3y^2 = 1, create a symmetric matrix that describes it, diagnonalize it and tell me what type of conic section it is.

Ok broad, you obviously won't ask me any calculus so enough with this brainless physics dirt you throw at me. Stop wasting my time.

and in some ways they don't. if you could put men and women on either sides of a cosmic scale, they would balance out. They are EQUAL, but DIFFERENT.

a one-pound weight on a scale, is equal to sixteen one-ounce weights. They look different, take up a different volume of space, have a different tactile sensation when held in the hand, but are still equal. Equal, but different.

Guess what? All human beings are individuals*, and there are many many MANY women who are better at the "manly stuff" than you are.



* I'm not

Ok broad, you obviously won't ask me any calculus so enough with this brainless physics dirt you throw at me. Stop wasting my time.

How is it a waste of time? From everything you have said, you learned how to solve this kind of problem, and have passed it. So it should be easy. And solving it, would prove your point. So why not just solve it, rather than continuing to be insulting?

Guess what? All human beings are individuals*, and there are many many MANY women who are better at the "manly stuff" than you are.



* I'm not
Inversely I'd asume there are "fmany many MANY" males who are better at the female roles than you are (with the exception of those relating to the biological differences)

Ok broad, you obviously won't ask me any calculus so enough with this brainless physics dirt you throw at me. Stop wasting my time.

There is a difference between knowledge and intelligence, friends.

To condense Kelhptopia's argument, women are capable of gaining knowledge in the same areas as a man, but follow paths suiting their own biological proclivites. A man and a woman can obtain the same knowledge, just as two men can, but the more intelligent man is the one who absorbs it more comprehensively and quickly. This is what the statistics reveal about the disparity between the sexes.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with this, just restating what I think the intended argument is.

Whather or not one person or the other can answer a matrix is anecdotal, and misses the greater issue.

Ok broad, you obviously won't ask me any calculus so enough with this brainless physics dirt you throw at me. Stop wasting my time.

Blahblahblah, you can't answer the question.

At least admit that your wrong.

Ok broad, you obviously won't ask me any calculus so enough with this brainless physics dirt you throw at me. Stop wasting my time.

Gee, the "broad" won't send you a question that you think you know you can answer. Wow! And still you call the one she has asked you trite, and yet, you still haven't shown any capacity for doing it.

IT IS ALGEBRA 2, dude! Don't you "actuarial scientists" take that in FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL? Just do it if you can, or admit you can't! *LMAO* What a TOOL you are!

What have we learned here today, children? ;)

"Why should I have to bother proving that I can explain that Shakspeare quote? Give me some Chaucer, ya dumb broad!" *LMAO* Just do it, if you CAN, because the only one being proven dumb here is you (and perhaps me).

There is a difference between knowledge and intelligence, friends.

To condense Kelhptopia's argument, women are capable of gaining knowledge in the same areas as a man, but follow paths suiting their own biological proclivites. A man and a woman can obtain the same knowledge, just as two men can, but the more intelligent man is the one who absorbs it more comprehensively and quickly. This is what the statistics reveal about the disparity between the sexes.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with this, just restating what I think the intended argument is.

Whather or not one person or the other can answer a matrix is anecdotal, and misses the greater issue.

Yeah exactly.. the broad wouldn't shut her face though. I could have asked her to state me hawaiian alphabet.. but what good would that have proven?

Gee, the "broad" won't send you a question that you think you know you can answer. Wow! And still you call the one she has asked you trite, and yet, you still haven't shown any capacity for doing it.

IT IS ALGEBRA 2, dude! Don't you "actuarial scientists" take that in FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL? Just do it if you can, or admit you can't! *LMAO* What a TOOL you are!

What have we learned here today, children? ;)

"Why should I have to bother proving that I can explain that Shakspeare quote? Give me some Chaucer, ya dumb broad!" *LMAO* Just do it, if you CAN, because the only one being proven dumb here is you (and perhaps me).

Hah, to strengthen your argument, Pepe.

So what, you're basically stating females don't have the intellectual capacity of males in most subjects?

You obviously are inferior in math.

If I'm wrong, prove it.




Oh, and I'm a guy, and I'm horrid at math. And science. Just not my thing at ALL. I love logic puzzles and whatnot, but when it comes to decked out formulaes, long equations, and difficult proofs, my mind just goes "Hey, screw that man. Go read some Wilde"
LMAO!

Yeah exactly.. the broad wouldn't shut her face though. I could have asked her to state me hawaiian alphabet.. but what good would that have proven?

Exactly. The topic is the proper treatment of women, and whether one ideal should be promoted in lieu of natural law. I maintain that it should not.

Inversely I'd asume there are "fmany many MANY" males who are better at the female roles than you are (with the exception of those relating to the biological differences)

Indeed there are. But since I am not a female (you just found this thread and answered the first post you read, didn't you? ;) admit it! I do that too sometimes), it is not an inverse statement. However, I am sure there are many many MANY men who are better at the traditional female roles than, say, Daniki is.

Exactly. The topic is the proper treatment of women, and whether one ideal should be promoted in lieu of natural law. I maintain that it should not.

I maintain that humans are not like other animals, and that liberty and consent are ideals that should trump natural law.

Indeed there are. But since I am not a female (you just found this thread and answered the first post you read, didn't you? ;) admit it! I do that too sometimes), it is not an inverse statement. However, I am sure there are many many MANY men who are better at the traditional female roles than, say, Daniki is.
I flipped over a few pages of the thread, but it's degenerated a fair bit and I couldn't be bothered reading the rest after looking at the first few pages.

Eugh, now we're pulling out the abortion-card?
Murderer.
For the record. I don't believe in abortion. It's not a problem. It's not even an issue in my book. I just don't understand how you can demonize a woman who finds herself pregnant due to the attitudes of.. well the attitudes of people like you .... and then not provide a viable alternative for the life of the child. It's rather hypocritical, don't you think?

Hah, to strengthen your argument, Pepe.

How so?

I maintain that humans are not like other animals, and that liberty and consent are ideals that should trump natural law.

;) I think we have a conflict of definition. I'm not talking about the 'law of the jungle' or anything like that..

To borrow a definition, natural law is "that instinctive sense of justice and of right and wrong, which is native in mankind, as distinguished from specifically revealed divine law, and formulated human law," i.e. secular, rational law.

and in some ways they don't. if you could put men and women on either sides of a cosmic scale, they would balance out. They are EQUAL, but DIFFERENT.

a one-pound weight on a scale, is equal to sixteen one-ounce weights. They look different, take up a different volume of space, have a different tactile sensation when held in the hand, but are still equal. Equal, but different.
LOL! You'd have to read me more thoroughly in this thread to know, but I was toying with that guy.

Yeah exactly.. the broad wouldn't shut her face though. I could have asked her to state me hawaiian alphabet.. but what good would that have proven?

Surely not as much as solving her math question would, genius. *LMAO*

There is a difference between knowledge and intelligence, friends.
...
Whather or not one person or the other can answer a matrix is anecdotal, and misses the greater issue.

It misses the point of the thread, to be sure, but it shows where one individual refuses to admit being wrong.

And the differences between Knowledge and Intelligence are on an individual level and not based on gender in the least. Neither gender has claim to a predominance of one over the other.

Getting back to the original start of the thread... the actual problem isn't with women being whores for any reason. The problem is with the education that led to the person thinking that woman is a whore. It is as bigoted as any racial bias. A woman who ends up in a situation she considers to be unfortunate is simply an individual in an unfortunate situation. She could easily end up giving that child to a family who has discovered they cannot bear children of their own. Suddenly, she is a Savior. A Blessing. A Miracle. What was unfortunate now becomes fortunate.

Simple social stigmas change over time. History proves that out, and it cannot be denied. The concepts of Whore and Slut have been altering since their inception. Just as the concept of Bitch is already passing through transformations. The man who views a woman having sex out of wedlock as a whore, suddenly finds his attitude changing when his daughter is discovered in a situation she considers unfortunate.

But look at it this way. If society were different. If we as a race were faced with a calamity on a global scale where repolulation were the primary goal, suddenly a woman having sex with multiple men, having as many children with different men to widen the gene pool destroys the concept of "whore".

All Perspective.

Ok broad, you obviously won't ask me any calculus so enough with this brainless physics dirt you throw at me. Stop wasting my time.
Poser.

It misses the point of the thread, to be sure, but it shows where one individual refuses to admit being wrong.

And the differences between Knowledge and Intelligence are on an individual level and not based on gender in the least. Neither gender has claim to a predominance of one over the other.

Getting back to the original start of the thread... the actual problem isn't with women being whores for any reason. The problem is with the education that led to the person thinking that woman is a whore. It is as bigoted as any racial bias. A woman who ends up in a situation she considers to be unfortunate is simply an individual in an unfortunate situation. She could easily end up giving that child to a family who has discovered they cannot bear children of their own. Suddenly, she is a Savior. A Blessing. A Miracle. What was unfortunate now becomes fortunate.

Simple social stigmas change over time. History proves that out, and it cannot be denied. The concepts of Whore and Slut have been altering since their inception. Just as the concept of Bitch is already passing through transformations. The man who views a woman having sex out of wedlock as a whore, suddenly finds his attitude changing when his daughter is discovered in a situation she considers unfortunate.

But look at it this way. If society were different. If we as a race were faced with a calamity on a global scale where repolulation were the primary goal, suddenly a woman having sex with multiple men, having as many children with different men to widen the gene pool destroys the concept of "whore".

All Perspective.
It'd also have to do with society as well. Maybe the person's past as well (applies to both males and females here), to understand their actions. It's pretty dangerous to make very broad generalisations like the first post in this thread, unless you apply that to the concept of society's views.

;) I think we have a conflict of definition. I'm not talking about the 'law of the jungle' or anything like that..

To borrow a definition, natural law is "that instinctive sense of justice and of right and wrong, which is native in mankind, as distinguished from specifically revealed divine law, and formulated human law," i.e. secular, rational law.

OK. Then natural law tells me, instinctively, that all men and all women should be allowed the opportunity to rise and fall to their own level, without regard for gender or any other such random difference.

Women are statistically worse at math. It's been proven in research.
Women are discouraged from mathematical and scientific endeavors from an early age and therefore don't pursue these sciences as earnestly as men do who are encouraged in these areas.
I'll show you my proof when you show me yours.

There is a difference between knowledge and intelligence, friends.

To condense Kelhptopia's argument, women are capable of gaining knowledge in the same areas as a man, but follow paths suiting their own biological proclivites. A man and a woman can obtain the same knowledge, just as two men can, but the more intelligent man is the one who absorbs it more comprehensively and quickly. This is what the statistics reveal about the disparity between the sexes.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with this, just restating what I think the intended argument is.

Whather or not one person or the other can answer a matrix is anecdotal, and misses the greater issue.
I've respectfully disagreed with you until now. But to shill for this fraud is beneath you.

I've respectfully disagreed with you until now. But to shill for this fraud is beneath you.

I'm just setting up the point to be accepted or denied, since I was tired of the "I can do this kind of math," and "I can do that kind of math," line.

I'm just setting up the point to be accepted or denied, since I was tired of the "I can do this kind of math," and "I can do that kind of math," line.

But his point was also (and very loudly) that men were better at math than women. He failed to prove his point when he refused to do the math.

;) I think we have a conflict of definition. I'm not talking about the 'law of the jungle' or anything like that..

To borrow a definition, natural law is "that instinctive sense of justice and of right and wrong, which is native in mankind, as distinguished from specifically revealed divine law, and formulated human law," i.e. secular, rational law.
Much of what passes for "natural law" by your definition is culturally inculcated and not at all natural save it is a natural outgrowth of that exposure and indoctrination.

OK. Then natural law tells me, instinctively, that all men and all women should be allowed the opportunity to rise and fall to their own level, without regard for gender or any other such random difference.

Equally so, natural law applies. Women are relegated free will to no greater or lesser degree than are men. And if women choose to enter into relationships that a minority or even a majority group consider 'subordinate,' then I believe the natural law gives the woman the right to do exactly that. The conflict comes about when comparing recent attitudes to our traditional foundations.

Women are discouraged from mathematical and scientific endeavors from an early age and therefore don't pursue these sciences as earnestly as men do who are encouraged in these areas.
I'll show you my proof when you show me yours.
That's similar to what Pamela Schaeffer told me when we were four. Then we both got a time out when the moms came in. That Whore!

VERY SARCASTIC

Equally so, natural law applies. Women are relegated free will to no greater or lesser degree than are men. And if women choose to enter into relationships that a minority or even a majority group consider 'subordinate,' then I believe the natural law gives the woman the right to do exactly that. The conflict comes about when comparing recent attitudes to our traditional foundations.

Except when education and experience enter into this equasion. You may have free will, but you can only freely choose between the options you are aware of. If you are unaware of certain options, or believe (mistakenly or not) that certain options are not available to you, then your Freewill, although still there, is quite curtailed.

When the majority of women were only aware of certain limited options regarding subordinate positions in relationships, they had few options. Now, with education and communication, women know that they are no longer limited to specific roles in relationships, and are not locked into being subordinates.

The only way any natural law would enter into it, is that we are limited by our beliefs and knowledge.

But his point was also (and very loudly) that men were better at math than women. He failed to prove his point when he refused to do the math.
Damn You! You beat me to it! :D

Nite all! Solving the great issues of our day will have to wait until tomorrow. If by chance you all manage to do it while I'm away would someone leave me a post to that effect?

Equally so, natural law applies. Women are relegated free will to no greater or lesser degree than are men. And if women choose to enter into relationships that a minority or even a majority group consider 'subordinate,' then I believe the natural law gives the woman the right to do exactly that. The conflict comes about when comparing recent attitudes to our traditional foundations.

Full circle to agreeing with you again. And yet you have seemed to be saying that women's traditional subordinate roles are in accord with natural law. Is this indeed what you think?

For my part I may be willing to believe that women are naturally subordinate in a sense of animal law, but I also believe that we as humans have a duty to rise above our animal natures.

For my part I may be willing to believe that women are naturally subordinate in a sense of animal law, but I also believe that we as humans have a duty to rise above our animal natures.

Plenty of Matriarchial (sp) animal species in the animal kingdom. No law that dictates the role gender plays there, save for the fact that the female gives birth.

Oops.. forgot about the seahorse.

The conflict comes about when comparing recent attitudes to our traditional foundations.
To which "traditional foundations" are you referring? What exactly encompasses "recent history" in your sphere of existance?
I'm becoming so ill I might faint-
*swoons*
*composes self*
For my part I may be willing to believe that women are naturally subordinate in a sense of animal law,
Have you ever heard of the seahorse? Or the praying mantis, for that matter?
Ugh, well the boy who couldn't do math obviously sulked away. And my husband has come downstairs three times in the past two hours to ask when I was coming to bed. I guess I better do my wifely duty and retire for the eve. 'Lest you all think me some kind of feminist or something.

Plenty of Matriarchial (sp) animal species in the animal kingdom. No law that dictates the role gender plays there, save for the fact that the female gives birth.

Oops.. forgot about the seahorse.

No the female seahorse lays eggs, and the male gestates them. Only mammalian females give birth.

And I was specifically refering to the human species.

. . .

Have you ever heard of the seahorse? Or the praying mantis, for that matter?
Ugh, well the boy who couldn't do math obviously sulked away. And my husband has come downstairs three times in the past two hours to ask when I was coming to bed. I guess I better do my wifely duty and retire for the eve. 'Lest you all think me some kind of feminist or something.

Got no problem with thinking of you as that. Anyway, since when are female seahorses and mantises considered women?

No the female seahorse lays eggs, and the male gestates them. Only mammalian females give birth.

And I was specifically refering to the human species.

so what is this animal law of which you speak? You seemed to add to my point that there doesn;t appear to be a single animal law. Certainly not one about being subordinate. Even if you were only referring to humans, you were also referring to all animals in the reference to animal law.

But I am really not trying to be Mr. Contrary. I stand by my argument that social labels are transitory, and that men and women are simply two sides to the same coin.

so what is this animal law of which you speak? You seemed to add to my point that there doesn;t appear to be a single animal law. Certainly not one about being subordinate. Even if you were only referring to humans, you were also referring to all animals in the reference to animal law.

But I am really not trying to be Mr. Contrary. I stand by my argument that social labels are transitory, and that men and women are simply two sides to the same coin.

Go back. Read my post. Notice the qualifier: "may be willing to".

I may be willing to believe that before homo sapiens reached their current level of self awareness, as uncivilized animals, the males were socially dominant over the females. However I assert without qualification that as humans we have a duty to rise above our animal natures. Got a problem with that? Why?

And no, I was refering only to men and women, and as far as I know, only one species has men and women.



P.S.: love your sig.

if a girl gets pregnant, outside of marriage and if she's either a) Underage, or b) without a stable life.. she's just stupid.. simple as

and as for the whore thing? it's not quite that black and white is it? Women who will sleep with everyone, is a whore. Women who enjoy sex? Nympho... perhaps?

If your called a whore for simply having sex with more than one partner, then the person who called you a whore, is simply stupid, and probably a virgin :P

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You got it, just one thing...whores get paid. If you sleep around a lot, it doesn't mean you're a whore. If you get PAID to, you are. Nymphomaniacs are typically frigid, hence do not enjoy sex.

As for getting pregnant outside of marriage, it's a woman's prerogative, assuming she meant to get pregnant. Just because someone got preggers outside of marriage doesn't mean she wasn't prepared for it.

What I'm saying is, that in the belief that men and women are designed for specific tasks, you already show that one of them is unequal to the other.

There is only one reason one gender would be better then the other in doing something-because it is better at doing that.

To believe that one gender is inherently better at doing something then the other is sexism. Pure and simple.

Yeah, men say that until they need us to plow a field or fix a truck or build a battleship.