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A friend and I were debating whether it is a good idea for high schools to provide free condoms in school (such as in a bathroom). I say it would reduce STI's and teen pregnancy. He says that it encourages pre0martial sex. Thoughts?

tell him people are going to have premarital sex anyway, do you want little illegitmate babies everywhere to teen mothers, or do you want them using condoms?

I don't really think it encourages teen sex much, however, even if it does increase teen sex a little bit, the increase in safe teen sex would be much more significant I think.

While I'm all for preventing STIs, I think it would only spur on some of the more slutty girls at my school (one of which was recently suspended for getting into a catfight - tho it made for great entertainment)

Put cameras in the dispencers and when a kid pulls one out they are put in a safe sex program sponsored by the school.

Put cameras in the dispencers and when a kid pulls one out they are put in a safe sex program sponsored by the school.
1) If the dispensers are in the bathroom, that'd be against the law.
2) Fascism is a nifty idea, eh?

1) If the dispensers are in the bathroom, that'd be against the law.Put them in the lockers!

Put them in the lockers!
The cameras? The dispensers? The students? What is "them"?

The cameras? The dispensers? The students? What is "them"?The dispensers.

Depends on what is more important to you.

If reducing teen pregnancy (and therefore reducing abortion) and STDs is important, then it is a fantastic idea to have the machines in schools.

If reducing the ammount of sex people have during their teenage years (instead of reducing the number of pregnencies/abortions/stds) is important, then it might not be such a good idea.

The dispensers.
Do you have any idea how expensive that would be to put an individual dispenser in each locker? ...and then are you also going to put a camera in each locker so that you know when a kid got a condom?

Depends on what is more important to you.

If reducing teen pregnancy (and therefore reducing abortion) and STDs is important, then it is a fantastic idea to have the machines in schools.

If reducing the ammount of sex people have during their teenage years (instead of reducing the number of pregnencies/abortions/stds) is important, then it might not be such a good idea.
Oh, let's be honest here, how many of us would have turned down sex if it was offered to us back when we were teens (or still are)?

I say go for it, Its convienient.

only idiots dont use condoms anyways. go to the fucking grocery store, its not that hard.

Oh, let's be honest here, how many of us would have turned down sex if it was offered to us back when we were teens (or still are)?

Shit, I would. Turn it down, that is. Just because a condom is offered doesn't mean kids are suddenly going to have sex. The decision is already made before condoms come into view, and any teen who says, "I'm not having sex because I don't have a condom" was really going to have sex anyway. Condoms in the bathroom would only offend all the wait-til-marriage folks, not convert any of them.

location location location

go where the customers are

there should be a BIG bowl full of condoms in the cafeteria right next to the napkins. there should be so many that you can't tell when someone takes some.

the sooner sexually active people get used to using condoms the better it will be for socieity. less unwanted pregnancy, less abortion, less STDs.

win win win

Public schools for sure, there's so many dirty whores in public school.

Public schools for sure, there's so many dirty whores in public school.
There are?

Public schools for sure, there's so many dirty whores in public school.
Theres plenty in Catholic schools too! The uniforms just hide they're bodys but they wear enough makeup to make up for the problem. No pun intended ;)

And let's face it. There is no way we are ever going to stop teens from having sex. Just like theres no way there will ever be world peace or we'll ever stop illegal drugs from being sold. It's human nature. And in my opinion, it's a lot better to be safe than sorry. Even if it means going against religious beliefs. Wouldn't God rather we protect teens from teen pregnancy?

dirty whores?

*just shaking my head because there are no appropriate words to use with someone with such a bad attitude toward women*

dirty whores?

*just shaking my head because there are no appropriate words to use with someone with such a bad attitude toward women*


indeed, you could call him a misogynist but he probably doesnt know what it means.

How about sexually adventurous?

Fact: people were having all sorts of sex (premarital and otherwise) eons before latex was a gleam in the eye of a German chemist.

Fact: A single box of Condoms prevents more STDs and teen pregnencies then an entire horde self-rightous bible-thumping schmucks muttering about abstinence in a stern tone.

Fact: A ban on hand cream will not discourage anyone from masturbating, but will most certainly increase incedents of unpleasant chaffing.

Being a male and thus understanding the basic insticts that we feel, coupled often with a bit of wit, charm, and trickery, I think its no-contest that unless a teenage male is completely against pre-maritail sex, somethings going to go on.
Understanding this, I would say that they should be there. As others have said, the people who don't believe in pre-marital sex are just going to ignore them, those who intend on doing such things will grab one.
The responsiblity a child presents is far beyond that which a teenager should try to burden. And even if Sex increases with the introduction of condoms STDs and Teenage Pregnacy will go down.
I Support Condoms in Schools.

Well, when you preach abstinence in school, you're not actually teaching them anything about safe sex, or sex at all for that matter.

How about, "Can't get enough of that wonderful Duff".

Catholic school girls are quite sexual, they're taught that pre-marital intercourse is the solely the fault of the boy. Actually they're taught alot of information about sex including anal & fascials - I would expect them to be more concerned about condom use than a public school girl who still isn't sure where her ovaries are.

I dont' see why the condoms have to be free. Put them in a vending machine for a buck each. Prevents unwanted pregancies and funds the school system at the same time. :D

Fact: people were having all sorts of sex (premarital and otherwise) eons before latex was a gleam in the eye of a German chemist.

Fact: A single box of Condoms prevents more STDs and teen pregnencies then an entire horde self-rightous bible-thumping schmucks muttering about abstinence in a stern tone.

Fact: A ban on hand cream will not discourage anyone from masturbating, but will most certainly increase incedents of unpleasant chaffing.


excellent points!

Well, when you preach abstinence in school, you're not actually teaching them anything about safe sex, or sex at all for that matter.

You act like there's something wrong with encouraging a kid to abstain from sex. You must be one of those public school girl I was talking about. If I could live my life again I wouldn't have had sex so early.

Aye... I am a teen and I don;t think they will stop either... or rather We.

I hear a lot more about illegal drugs, and pre-maritual pregnancies are kind of rare here, but I still think it is bad for a guy and a girl to get "busy" at such a young age...

I know somebody who is 14 and is the father of 6 kids... That is all the pregnancies I know about....

I dont' see why the condoms have to be free. Put them in a vending machine for a buck each. Prevents unwanted pregancies and funds the school system at the same time. :D


I am going with this post....why the hell should they get free birth control when i gotta buy mine?...i guess i could drive to the free clinic and wait for an hour to get some free condomns but time is money anyway.

You act like there's something wrong with encouraging a kid to abstain from sex. You must be one of those public school girl I was talking about. If I could live my life again I wouldn't have had sex so early.
...there is nothing wrong with encouragin abstinance, but it is assinine to believe that will work with 100% effeciency, and therefore kids will have sex. It may as well be safe sex if they're going to do it anyway.

If they buy, they are discouraged.
If they are discouraged, they have non-protected sex.
Just drive to a school and pick some up, or ask your son/daughter to...

people people!!! the school is a place of learning... it's not a PSA... pretty soon people will want them to give out abortins in schools. people have to live (or die) with the consequences of the decisions that they make.

Vending machines would be handy because there is no embarassment buying them from a person. Plus my dad lets me steal his ones

people people!!! the school is a place of learning... it's not a PSA... pretty soon people will want them to give out abortins in schools. people have to live (or die) with the consequences of the decisions that they make.
Being conservative means hating technology (and I'm talking about condoms, not abortions).

My friend could of used some condmns.... but after the 5th girl he got pregnant, you would have thought he would have known by then... But no, he had to go to six... And he is only 14 for christs sakes... (I am 16 right now).

i think protection in schools wuld be a good idea... Why not prevent some girls from getting pregnant if they re going to do it anyway?

I believe that teens today (I am a teen BTW) are influeced by way to much sex. And that there is no way to really stop that. And teens will probley still be haveing pre-marital sex in 4000-5000 years from now. I agree that in the long run condom despencers would curtail abortons and anything else that is a downside to sex. As far a Sex-ed goes I think that the state governments should fund sex-ed programs more and at my school we don't have sex-ed teachers but just college students who have had their share fair of sex come in and give a lecture. Also for identifing those that use the dispensers, make them pay for the condom, and have them pay by using their student ID number and then you can trace to see who bought them. And even though I am a male, I have to admit that calling some girls "Dirty Whores" is horrible. Just say "Sex prone girls that have preppy boyfriends"

Fact: Public school is free

Fact: Most public school girls are whorish (don't give me your feminist crap, I have personal experience, well third person, but still)

Fact: I am still a virgin

Fact: The use of condoms will NOT in any way encourage sex, but it will stop STDs.

Fact: No matter how you put it, abstinense is the best to avoid STDs, don't like it? Tough. Your horny f***s...

Fact: I need a life, and so do you. I mean, we're posting on NationStates damn :P

Fact:I, r, teh, l337357!!!

I am done.

people people!!! the school is a place of learning... it's not a PSA... pretty soon people will want them to give out abortins in schools. people have to live (or die) with the consequences of the decisions that they make.


So we should let kids take heroin to school and shoot up in class?

Of course not, thats as stupid as thinking schools should have no hand in protecting kids from harm.

Fact: Public school is free

Fact: Most public school girls are whorish (don't give me your feminist crap, I have personal experience, well third person, but still)

Fact: I am still a virgin

Fact: The use of condoms will NOT in any way encourage sex, but it will stop STDs.

Fact: No matter how you put it, abstinense is the best to avoid STDs, don't like it? Tough. Your horny f***s...

Fact: I need a life, and so do you. I mean, we're posting on NationStates damn :P

Fact:I, r, teh, l337357!!!

I am done.

I disagree with two. Depends on the school.

people people!!! the school is a place of learning... it's not a PSA... pretty soon people will want them to give out abortins in schools. people have to live (or die) with the consequences of the decisions that they make.
with all my general hatred and anger aside, you are quite honestly a dumbass

people people!!! the school is a place of learning... it's not a PSA... pretty soon people will want them to give out abortins in schools. people have to live (or die) with the consequences of the decisions that they make.

Turning a blind eye is always the best course of action.

I disagree with two. Depends on the school.

How are Government funded schools not free?

And come on! At least admit they are *cough* unusually well endowed, I mean, most public school girls are *cough* endowed.

I say just give every one some tissues Hand cream and penthouse. problum solved no teen sex and no teen pregnencies or STDs. and it gets a persons jollies off. its a win win.

Actually at the High school I am at... Girls are kind of Whorish.... Into any jerk with a well-rounded body... and sombody who can get them free pot...


Seems drugs are more of an issue here then pregnancies...

Actually at the High school I am at... Girls are kind of Whorish.... Into any jerk with a well-rounded body... and sombody who can get them free pot...


Seems drugs are more of an issue here then pregnancies...

What a beutiful generalization. The High School that I go to, the girls all have brains enough to wait for a well rounded relationship first, and drugs are unheard of. From the High School I came from, there were very few girls who acted in the ways that you suggested, though drugs were definitely a problem...

This is just at the school I go to. Other Schools, I do not know...

But it seems any one with a nice body gets laid... It is almost deppressing. :(

392!!!

OK we have a petition to do that in our school. And noting that I did by the ones that I keep in my droor.

All guys should have access to one. It is convenient to have one on hands should situation strike, and to prevent unwanted STD or Pregnancy. But don't use normal trojans, they rip to easily.

Ye gods, the kids will just have it in the pines behind the school if you start giving them out there :P.

At our school they drilled it into us that its best to wait, but if you made the decision that you were going to do it, use protection. They also drilled into us the how safe condoms actually are and things and then left us to decide if we still wanted to go ahead with it. I know of 3 girls in my year (over 3 years) who got pregnant. At my Ex gfs private school, at least 15 got pregnant from her year in the time she was there. They live on their reputation though, and covered it up well enough that parents will still think their little girl will be less of a slut at a private school...

My college (a private lutheran school) just installed condom vending machines in bathrooms around campus, after a long, heated debate about it. The arguments used were much the same as here: "they will encourage premarital sex" vs "they will prevent STDs and pregnancy." Calmer heads prevailed when most people realized that hey, people were having sex anyway, regardless of not having condom machines.

This ties directly into another issue in which I have personal involvement: sex-ed in schools. My hometown is passing through the tail end of a years-long debate over whether or not safe sex practices should be taught. Same arguments: encourage sex vs prevent pregnancies/STDs. Thing is, though abstinance should always be a good-sized part of sex-ed, it utterly fails to prepare children for, well, reality. The instinct to have sex and reproduce is the secondary directive; the only instinct stronger is that of survival. Assuming that schooling can effectively teach thousands upon thousands of children to deny this instinct year after year is just stupid. I respect those who choose abstinance, but it's not something that can be forced upon other people. Period. And, as long as abstinance-only sex-ed continues to fail to educate large numbers of children in what they really will need to know (how to practice safe sex), it is more of a detriment than anything.

The day they handed out condoms at my high school the parkinglot was littered with balloon animals. They never handed them out again.

Oh, let's be honest here, how many of us would have turned down sex if it was offered to us back when we were teens (or still are)?I was offered sex, and I turned it down. :Shrug:. And not for lack of condoms (I would have been willing to by them at the local drugstore). Strangely enough free condoms might well decrease teenage sex. It might encourage them to make responsible decisions about sex, such as not having sex at all. And hey, if they do have sex, at least they'll be having safer sex. (Yes, condoms are not perfectly effective, but they ain't bad).

I don't get why it has to be "It will increase premarital sex" vs. "No it won't" for some people. I mean, frankly, it might well increase the amount of sex teens (we :P) have. But just ask yourself... which is worse. A little premarital sex, or a little teen pregnancy, abortion, sickness, and death?

people people!!! the school is a place of learning... it's not a PSA... pretty soon people will want them to give out abortins in schools. people have to live (or die) with the consequences of the decisions that they make.

isn't school also a place where you learn about things?


what's more important to learn about than peer relationships and your sexuality? albeit those aren't the subjects they teach, but you don't have to just learn from a teacher in a class.

Fact: Most public school girls are whorish (don't give me your feminist crap, I have personal experience, well third person, but still)

umm... and the guys they sleep with aren't whores at all. i see.

foad.

And come on! At least admit they are *cough* unusually well endowed, I mean, most public school girls are *cough* endowed.

i went to public school and while i was there i was an A cup... i'm now a B (they grow until you're 20, no saline for me) and uh... yeah... i'm so well endowed... always have been, especially when i was in highschool.

seriously, you are aware that these are stereotypes, right?

This is just at the school I go to. Other Schools, I do not know...

But it seems any one with a nice body gets laid... It is almost deppressing. :(

why? because you don't have a nice body?

do you actually know every single girl at your school well enough to know that she sleeps around? or do you just hear it from the boys who claim that they've fucked them? guys tend to lie about their sexual conquests if they're trying to win the approval of their peers.

It reminds me of the saying, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."

i went to public school and while i was there i was an A cup... i'm now a B (they grow until you're 20, no saline for me) and uh... yeah... i'm so well endowed... always have been, especially when i was in highschool.

seriously, you are aware that these are stereotypes, right?

You are aware that we've all gone to high school, right?

And generally speaking, everything (well, almost everything ;)) was bigger back then.

I was a public school girl, and I AM NOT A WHORE!! Hell, most of the girls i knew at my school weren't sexually deivant. Sure there are a few, but they aren't all whores!

Sexually deviant people, be them male or female are WHORES. Gender is irrelevant.

If there are any ignorant high schoolers here who still contend that a LOT of public school girls are fucking little whores, come here and we'll duke it out!

umm... and the guys they sleep with aren't whores at all. i see.

foad.

That's always been my problem. Guys sleep around and they're champions. GIrls do it and their whores.

Look, they're both whores, k? :p


And no not everything was bigger. It just seemed that way because it was new. Of course, with kids these days, I dunno. But in high school, puberty was making it's rounds, and guys started to notice things a bit more.

That's always been my problem. Guys sleep around and they're champions. GIrls do it and their whores.
;) it's some screwed up puritan idea.

Last I heard, whores had sex for money. Is that what's being said here, that these girls are peddling tail for cash?

Oh, let's be honest here, how many of us would have turned down sex if it was offered to us back when we were teens (or still are)?


I managed to keep it my pants during my teen years. I don't see why anybody else shouldn't be able to do likewise.

Sex belongs inside of marriage, not outside.

the sooner sexually active people get used to using condoms the better it will be for socieity. less unwanted pregnancy, less abortion, less STDs.

win win win


Sterilize the whores as they are probably unfit to have children anyway, and the men that take part in the sinning (because it takes two) should be sterilized so their unfit seed does not pollute the gene pool.

How about, "Can't get enough of that wonderful Duff".

Catholic school girls are quite sexual, they're taught that pre-marital intercourse is the solely the fault of the boy. Actually they're taught alot of information about sex including anal & fascials - I would expect them to be more concerned about condom use than a public school girl who still isn't sure where her ovaries are.


Just remember who caused the fall of man from God's good graces (Eve had sex with Satan, and then she gained the knowledge of what sex was, and then she seduced Adam and caused the fall of Man)

Sterilize the whores as they are probably unfit to have children anyway, and the men that take part in the sinning (because it takes two) should be sterilized so their unfit seed does not pollute the gene pool.

Again, you must be talking about women who are taking money for it, or you wouldn't be calling them whores, right?

Because if a guy has a lot of girls, he's seen as able to protect/provide them all. That's a plus, you've got to admit. If a girl has a lot of guys, she's breaking that rule by being the one trying to be in control of many.

I don't know if that made sense, but heres this. You've always gotta earn her. Always.

...there is nothing wrong with encouragin abstinance, but it is assinine to believe that will work with 100% effeciency, and therefore kids will have sex. It may as well be safe sex if they're going to do it anyway.



If kids are having sex, it's bad enough, if they're using condoms, it's even worse. Condoms are immoral and totally wrong. I'd say the best solution would be for the abolition of the public education system, boys stay home and farm the fields until 15-17, and girls are married off at 15-17 and thus they get all the sex they need from their husbands. (because most of the people having sex, probably meet in schools)

Or perhaps gender segregated schools. The point is that immorality must stop and stop now!

Again, you must be talking about women who are taking money for it, or you wouldn't be calling them whores, right?


Prostitutes = for money


whores= promiscuous

Just remember who caused the fall of man from God's good graces (Eve had sex with Satan, and then she gained the knowledge of what sex was, and then she seduced Adam and caused the fall of Man)

Fucking snakes, we need to kill every last one.


Oh, and the Bible = fake. Sorry bud, but it's really time you knew.

That's always been my problem. Guys sleep around and they're champions. GIrls do it and their whores.

Look, they're both whores, k? :p


And no not everything was bigger. It just seemed that way because it was new. Of course, with kids these days, I dunno. But in high school, puberty was making it's rounds, and guys started to notice things a bit more.


Guys that sleep around are what I call "Disgusting perverts", "Over-sexed losers", "male whores", "Jackasses who can't keep it in their pants", women that sleep around I prefer simply "Whore" or "Slut". I'm an equality opportunity condemner. Whorishness transcends gender and both male and female can and often are whores (I'd say probably at least 75-90% of the USA qualifies as WHORE)

The logic of:

"Having condom dispensers in high school bathrooms increases incidences of pre-martial sex"

is really like...

"Having free ammunition dispensers in high school changing rooms will increase incidences of school shootings"

If the teens actually want to have sex/massacare their classmates, not supplying them with condoms/ammunition won't stop them from executing their course of action.

JiangGuo

Good idea, free condoms. At universities too? :D

I managed to keep it my pants during my teen years. I don't see why anybody else shouldn't be able to do likewise.

Sex belongs inside of marriage, not outside.

You made a personal CHOICE based on your belief system. Others do not share your belief system, they're making a different choice with their belief system. What do you think gives you the right to expect others to share your belief system?

JiangGuo

You made a personal CHOICE based on your belief system. Others do not share your belief system, they're making a different choice with their belief system. What do you think gives you the right to expect others to share your belief system?

JiangGuo
Nothing, but it happens all the time.

If you can't afford condems or you don't have the balls to buy them, you probably shouldn't be having sex.

If you can't afford condems or you don't have the balls to buy them, you probably shouldn't be having sex.

But if they're going to ANYWAYS, you might as well let them have the condoms.

Guys that sleep around are what I call "Disgusting perverts", "Over-sexed losers", "male whores", "Jackasses who can't keep it in their pants", women that sleep around I prefer simply "Whore" or "Slut". I'm an equality opportunity condemner. Whorishness transcends gender and both male and female can and often are whores (I'd say probably at least 75-90% of the USA qualifies as WHORE)

At least you aren't a hypocrite, though for some reason I still feel sorry for you. :(

If kids are having sex, it's bad enough, if they're using condoms, it's even worse. Condoms are immoral and totally wrong. I'd say the best solution would be for the abolition of the public education system, boys stay home and farm the fields until 15-17, and girls are married off at 15-17 and thus they get all the sex they need from their husbands. (because most of the people having sex, probably meet in schools)

Or perhaps gender segregated schools. The point is that immorality must stop and stop now!

Holy shit.

Just remember who caused the fall of man from God's good graces (Eve had sex with Satan, and then she gained the knowledge of what sex was, and then she seduced Adam and caused the fall of Man)

Give line and verse where Eve fucked Satan, you irrational sexist.

If a kid hasn't got the confidence to buy a condom then for god sakes buy him one and get him some help.

Anywho, sure condoms should be dispenced in schools, so many benefits, I don't think it would increase the amount of teen sex. It would just say "Hey, schools think you should be safe." I mean just because they show me math books doesn't mean i do math. HA!

I think that vending machines is an idea for individual schools. Although, it will hit problems unless the students have funding for their own additions to the school. The parents are unlikely to vote for it, and the staff could go any which way, but the students who would be those who actually used it, would more than likely be for it.

On another note, no offence to the girls on the forums, but many girls make very bad choices when it comes to guys. They're often all for those who are sports heroes and look good, but who treat them like dirt.
Girls, if you want to complain about the way a guy treats you, DUMP THEM! Otherwise, you're just being a complete and utter idiot.

I managed to keep it my pants during my teen years. I don't see why anybody else shouldn't be able to do likewise.

Sex belongs inside of marriage, not outside.

Funny that, I am not allowed to get married (gay) so um, woot for you miss tight ass.

If conservatives really had any interest in decreasing the number of abortions, they would provide condoms free of cost to anyone who requests one.

I dont' see why the condoms have to be free. Put them in a vending machine for a buck each. Prevents unwanted pregancies and funds the school system at the same time. :D

yeah, if condoms are free, not only will it be used to have safe sex, it would have other uses like water baloons!!!

I have no moral problems with condoms in schools, probably a good idea.

But anyone thought about who is paying for them if you throw them around for "free"?

Bugger my tax money going to some kids :fluffle: .

Craig

P.S The balloon animals thing must transcend all geographical barriers. I think the most important thing many learnt from that is how to fit a condom over your head.

I have no moral problems with condoms in schools, probably a good idea.

But anyone thought about who is paying for them if you throw them around for "free"?

Bugger my tax money going to some kids :fluffle: .

Craig

P.S The balloon animals thing must transcend all geographical barriers. I think the most important thing many learnt from that is how to fit a condom over your head.
Ignorant ---^

How do you think you'll get by when you retire? From whose money?

Ignorant ---^

How do you think you'll get by when you retire? From whose money?

Eh, what?

So me saying that I don't want my money being taken from me and being spent on condoms for kids somehow leads to a relevant comment on retirement how?

Funnily enough, I don't think having sex is a right, and I don't think that I should be forced to pay for someone elses sex life!

Craig

You're stupid. I'm not gonna argue with you

But if they're going to ANYWAYS, you might as well let them have the condoms.

Giving away condoms is not the same as letting them have condemns. If you're old enough to have sex, you're old enough to buy your own damn condoms.

Giving away condoms is not the same as letting them have condemns. If you're old enough to have sex, you're old enough to buy your own damn condoms.

It is...somewhat awkward...to be purchasing condomns, especially if you are still a teen. Vending machines in the bathrooms would be nice. But I'd still support free condoms to help combat the public threat of STDs and teen pregnancies, which end up costing taxpayers in numerous other ways.

You're stupid. I'm not gonna argue with you

Oh my god...

:rolleyes:

Unbelievable!

Can you really not understand what I am saying?

Giving away condoms is not the same as letting them have condemns. If you're old enough to have sex, you're old enough to buy your own damn condoms.

Or old enough to piss off down to family planning and get a shitload of them for hardly anything. Hell I get them from the youth centre in town where my m8 works. The only problem is they're all the same durex ones.

Giving away condoms is not the same as letting them have condemns. If you're old enough to have sex, you're old enough to buy your own damn condoms.

Hear Hear!

Oh my god...

:rolleyes:

Unbelievable!

Can you really not understand what I am saying?
I do... You don't think before saying anything, so you classify (to me) as stupid

I do... You don't think before saying anything, so you classify (to me) as stupid

Lol, so because I disagree that my money should be spent buying condoms for kids, I am stupid.

Must make the world an easier place! Anyone disagreeing with you can be dismissed as stupid :-)!

Craig

Tax dollars can be used for condoms now, or they can go towards STDs and welfare resulting from unprotected sex later.

Tax dollars can be used for condoms now, or they can go towards STDs and welfare resulting from unprotected sex later.
hear hear!

What are nagging about a couple of bucks for a couple of kids when welfare and disease curing/treatment is a lot more costly?

Or didn't you think of that? :eek:

PS I don't think anyone disagreeing with me is stupid, only when they don't think further than their own little lives

hear hear!

What are nagging about a couple of bucks for a couple of kids when welfare and disease curing/treatment is a lot more costly?

Or didn't you think of that? :eek:

PS I don't think anyone disagreeing with me is stupid, only when they don't think further than their own little lives

Maybe I actually believe that throwing money at a problem won't do anything about it.

Maybe I think the problem runs deeper than "Well, the reason kids are getting STD's is that they won't spare a dollar for a condom"

Maybe I think we should educate kids so that they have the knowledge they need and that thinking that the cost of getting a condom isn't the problem (and a pretty dumb thing to blame major problems on).

I think your attitude is pretty arrogant, maybe we didn't reach the same conclusion, but don't you think you were a bit quick to claim that I didn't think ?

Craig

Maybe I actually believe that throwing money at a problem won't do anything about it.

Maybe I think the problem runs deeper than "Well, the reason kids are getting STD's is that they won't spare a dollar for a condom"

Maybe I think we should educate kids so that they have the knowledge they need and that thinking that the cost of getting a condom isn't the problem (and a pretty dumb thing to blame major problems on).

I think your attitude is pretty arrogant, maybe we didn't reach the same conclusion, but don't you think you were a bit quick to claim that I didn't think ?

Craig
Well maybe... But if you DID think, you'd already know kids are being educated about STD's and the likes. Or do you just think all kids are stupid and they need a grown-up at their side all the time to tell them what to do?

BTW: Major problems are not being blamed on the sparing (or not) of a dollar for a condom.

Forget vending machines! Schools need to be throwing condoms from the Homecoming floats for Petes Sake! And teach kids basic safety as well. Lots of kids still don't know that you can get STDs from oral sex. Teaching abstinence ONLY doesn't make kids moral...it makes them stupid. And just because you do something stupid because you're a kid (which I'm sure we all have) does not mean you deserve throat herpes for life, at least not in my opinion. BTW, I agree that kids should buy their own condoms but the truth of the matter is, they don't. Many kids feel too guilty. I've also met some Christian girls that thik think premeditating sex enough to buy condoms makes it more premeditated and almost more of a sin somehow. I don't agree with this logic, but there it is. We don't need to make these kids feel worse. Kids won't use condoms unless we take the stigma OFF of them. Anyway, that's my two cents. PS. This isn't a personal beef....I was a virgin through High School ;)

Maybe I actually believe that throwing money at a problem won't do anything about it.

Maybe I think the problem runs deeper than "Well, the reason kids are getting STD's is that they won't spare a dollar for a condom"

Maybe I think we should educate kids so that they have the knowledge they need and that thinking that the cost of getting a condom isn't the problem (and a pretty dumb thing to blame major problems on).

I think your attitude is pretty arrogant, maybe we didn't reach the same conclusion, but don't you think you were a bit quick to claim that I didn't think ?

Craig

heh poor students can't afford condoms, they've got instant noodles to buy. And I can't afford them until you give me that $40 you owe me, dick.

heh poor students can't afford condoms, they've got instant noodles to buy. And I can't afford them until you give me that $40 you owe me, dick.

:p :p
Yeah, I'll give you your $40.

Now there is an idea... Throwing around free instant noodles...

Craig

A friend and I were debating whether it is a good idea for high schools to provide free condoms in school (such as in a bathroom). I say it would reduce STI's and teen pregnancy. He says that it encourages pre0martial sex. Thoughts?

The only thing it will encourage is safe sex, and would teach sexual responsibilty (ie: the aftermath of unprotected sex). Lust and sexual urges encourage premaritial sex, not the sight of condoms. What do you think will happen: a teen goes to the toilet and sees the condom vendor, and he thinks to himself, "I feel the blood running, now! Better go squire a classmate". If anything, they'd be thinking "I was to, I should do the right thing and use a condom".

Teaching abstinence ONLY doesn't make kids moral...it makes them stupid.


Oh god, I would never support that! Educate as to why you need them, how to use them and what happens if you don't. If that won't make them use a condom , saving them the dollar at the dairy won't either.

"Hmm, if I had a condom given to me at school I'd use it, but on top of the pregnancy, the STDs and the whole ruining my life thing, going to the pharmacy and spending a dollar is just too much!"


I've also met some Christian girls that thik think premeditating sex enough to buy condoms makes it more premeditated and almost more of a sin somehow.

Wouldn't grabbing one from a basket at school be the same?

Craig

There is this thing that will keep kids from buying a condom from a total stranger. Or worse: someone finding out he/she did. It's called shame. It runs deep through the young society

I believe it does encourage pre-martial sex. I am against that for numorous reasons. I mean it isn't right for a bunch of teens to going aroung having sex with everyone they meet. It shows that they are irresponsible.

I believe it does encourage pre-martial sex. I am against that for numorous reasons. I mean it isn't right for a bunch of teens to going aroung having sex with everyone they meet. It shows that they are irresponsible.
Kids are irresponsible? :eek:

Tax dollars can be used for condoms now, or they can go towards STDs and welfare resulting from unprotected sex later.

Or neither.

Some of us are not socialists. Not even a little bit.

HOW TO STOP PEOPLE FROM HAVING SEX:

1) Lie about it to them, so when they do have sex they're completely unprepared.

2) Make it hard to get condoms, because it's proven that not having condoms lowers horniness by 14%.

3) Shame them out of it. Call sexually active girls whores, etc.

Or neither.

Some of us are not socialists. Not even a little bit.
Which puts you back down with the other animals.

Or neither.

Some of us are not socialists. Not even a little bit.

Ok then, as AIDS takes over the country you keep saying that to yourself.

HOW TO STOP PEOPLE FROM HAVING SEX:

1) Lie about it to them, so when they do have sex they're completely unprepared.

2) Make it hard to get condoms, because it's proven that not having condoms lowers horniness by 14%.

3) Shame them out of it. Call sexually active girls whores, etc.

Lol, your post should be titled: "How to misrepresent someone elses arguement"!

I never said I wanted people to stop having sex. I never said to teach abstinence only. I have yet to call anyone a whore on this thread :). I said that the fact that condoms don't rain from the sky doesn't cause STDs and pregnancies.

Craig

Ok then, as AIDS takes over the country you keep saying that to yourself.


AIDS/HIV doesn't have to overrun our lands, get rid of IV Drug users, nergoes (heterosexual black males are somewhere around 14 times as likely as white males to have HIV, and about 48 times as likely to have syphillis), and homosexuals, and anybody who has sex with any of the listed groups

Lol, your post should be titled: "How to misrepresent someone elses arguement"!

I never said I wanted people to stop having sex. I never said to teach abstinence only. I have yet to call anyone a whore on this thread :). I said that the fact that condoms don't rain from the sky doesn't cause STDs and pregnancies.

Craig

There, you've gone and made the assumption that they were refering to you.

Lol, your post should be titled: "How to misrepresent someone elses arguement"!

I never said I wanted people to stop having sex. I never said to teach abstinence only. I have yet to call anyone a whore on this thread :). I said that the fact that condoms don't rain from the sky doesn't cause STDs and pregnancies.

Craig

It was not a direct attack against you, but at the general perceptions of many people, and the policies of this president, etc.

In any case, lack of condoms does not cause STDs and pregnancies of course. Unprotected sex does. But having easier access to condoms would help reduce both rates. I think we can both agree on that?

There, you've gone and made the assumption that they were refering to you.


True :headbang:

Lol, I was busy debating and saw no quotes.

It was not a direct attack against you, but at the general perceptions of many people, and the policies of this president, etc.

In any case, lack of condoms does not cause STDs and pregnancies of course. Unprotected sex does. But having easier access to condoms would help reduce both rates. I think we can both agree on that?

I really don't think that the access to condoms is a problem. Maybe it is different in the states. Like I said, if people know why it is important to use one and the consequences if you don't, a dollar at the pharmacy seems pretty insignificant compared to a baby and aids. I think the problem is in education, not availability.

Craig

Put cameras in the dispencers and when a kid pulls one out they are put in a safe sex program sponsored by the school.

:D

I really don't think that the access to condoms is a problem. Maybe it is different in the states. Like I said, if people know why it is important to use one and the consequences if you don't, a dollar at the pharmacy seems pretty insignificant compared to a baby and aids. I think the problem is in education, not availability.

Craig

I think the problem is both education and availability. If people were more educated, unprotected sex rates would drop. But when I have to give my friend condoms because he is too ashamed to buy one in a store, something is wrong. Agreed though, throwing money at condoms won't do squat unless people are fully educated about sex.

I think the problem is both education and availability. If people were more educated, unprotected sex rates would drop. But when I have to give my friend condoms because he is too ashamed to buy one in a store, something is wrong.


Maybe that is where it's different here. Don't think we have the same culture about it. Again though, the answer to that problem is culture change and education. If someones embarrasment isn't overridden by a strong desire not to be a mother/father/dead, there's still something wrong with their education!

Craig

Maybe that is where it's different here. Don't think we have the same culture about it. Again though, the answer to that problem is culture change and education. If someones embarrasment isn't overridden by a strong desire not to be a mother/father/dead, there's still something wrong with their education!

Craig

Damn my country's prudish sexual repression! :p

Three cheers for education! :D

Damn my country's prudish sexual repression! :p

Three cheers for education! :D

:D

Lol, where does the border into prudishness start?

I'm one of those funny people that don't believe in jumping into bed with anyone I can :D Hard to believe, I know, but it actually means something to me!!

Craig

Giving away condoms is not the same as letting them have condemns. If you're old enough to have sex, you're old enough to buy your own damn condoms.Sure. But you're not necessarily willing to buy them from someone. Yes, absolutely, if you're not willing to buy a condom at the local drug store you shouldn't be having sex, but that doesn't always stop people, and it's far, far better for them to be having sex with condoms than without. Yes, ideally they wouldn't be having sex at all, but some teen are always going to be having sex before they're ready. Give'm condoms.

I've also met some Christian girls that thik think premeditating sex enough to buy condoms makes it more premeditated and almost more of a sin somehow.Arrg. I've heard of this, pisses me off. Responsibility is no sin. Fornication may sometimes be unwise, but it's no sin either. It's not something to be guilty about, it's something to be responsible and premeditated about. We need to be teaching kids to be responsible about sex, and abstinence-only education doesn't do that.

Do you have any idea how expensive that would be to put an individual dispenser in each locker? ...and then are you also going to put a camera in each locker so that you know when a kid got a condom?

i think they meant locker-room rather than locker.

anyway, teen sex doesn't need any encouragement.

Lack of a condom either doesn't discourage at all, or maybe discourages until a condom is available, which isn't that long.

Oh, let's be honest here, how many of us would have turned down sex if it was offered to us back when we were teens (or still are)?

Not I, and I am still a teen. Though, if you talk to me on NationStates, I bet you would generally think otherwise.

:D

Lol, where does the border into prudishness start?

I'm one of those funny people that don't believe in jumping into bed with anyone I can :D Hard to believe, I know, but it actually means something to me!!

Craig

Your missus probably thinks you're queer :P

You're missus probably thinks you're queer :P

Lol :D not unless you've been saying things

Lol :D not unless you've been saying things

All part of my elaborate scheme.

Either way if you have half a fucking brain you'll just go to the gas station,grocery store,fast food bathroom, etc, and buy a condom. If your so fucking stupid a school has to supply condoms so you can fuck... im suprised you CAN fuck. Seriously if you can't do that then I don't know what the hell is wrong with your stupid ass.

When your old enough to have sex your old enough to take the responsibility of getting your own condoms Jesus Christ do we need schools to have a person there to wipe our ass and wash our hands when we go to the bathroom? I have no problems getting my condoms and im fucking sixteen!!

I think that comdem dispensers that sell condems "at cost" or even for a bit of profit would be a great idea for schools. Why? Let's put it this way, people, in today's society, are really really moronic. We should really cut down the birth rate of these people by some small amount. Now, in my expirience, people (like myself, I admit it) haven't bought condems because of the inconvienience to travel. I always have spare change though and if there were dispensers in school, I could use my change on them instead of snacks. Then, not only would I get more exercise safely, I'd be eating less. And if the schools made a slim profit off of the condem dispensers, then maybe they'd have enough money to support our Creative Writing Club and other such programs that got cut from the budget. For me, condem dispensers in school would be a huge win/win/win situation

I think that comdem dispensers that sell condems "at cost" or even for a bit of profit would be a great idea for schools. Why? Let's put it this way, people, in today's society, are really really moronic. We should really cut down the birth rate of these people by some small amount. Now, in my expirience, people (like myself, I admit it) haven't bought condems because of the inconvienience to travel. I always have spare change though and if there were dispensers in school, I could use my change on them instead of snacks. Then, not only would I get more exercise safely, I'd be eating less. And if the schools made a slim profit off of the condem dispensers, then maybe they'd have enough money to support our Creative Writing Club and other such programs that got cut from the budget. For me, condem dispensers in school would be a huge win/win/win situation

Yes that's a good idea if you ask me but god help this world when schools have to hand out free condoms.

tell people what you like I always say, it's not like your opinion matters anyway. And that's true too... you guys could debate for hours, then tell the school board that you want to allow free condoms in schools and no one would care. the school board would say, "sure, we'll take that into concideration" and then they have you escorted out the door.

Either way if you have half a fucking brain you'll just go to the gas station,grocery store,fast food bathroom, etc, and buy a condom. If your so fucking stupid a school has to supply condoms so you can fuck... im suprised you CAN fuck. Seriously if you can't do that then I don't know what the hell is wrong with your stupid ass.

When your old enough to have sex your old enough to take the responsibility of getting your own condoms Jesus Christ do we need schools to have a person there to wipe our ass and wash our hands when we go to the bathroom? I have no problems getting my condoms and im fucking sixteen!!

wow... I honestly don't care... stop being a jackhole...

And it fucking pisses me off when I see people who have kids,std's,etc., that say "Oh I couldn't resist!", "I didn't think of it", "She was on birth control!". God dammit your fucking moron first of all we are not fucking cave men we CAN control our selves! If you DON'T have a condom don't have sex: You fucking retard!! And if you "don't think of it" you need to be taken out back and shot for being so fucking stupid! If you would like I will personally hit you in the face with a tack hammer, hopefully it will knock some sence into you. Also who gives a shit if she is on birth control!! USE ONE ANYWAYS DON'T BE A FUCKING STUPID ASS! Y

wow... I honestly don't care... stop being a jackhole...

Thank you for the suggestion I will note that.

The cameras? The dispensers? The students? What is "them"?

thats a great idea. Keep all the childeren in lockers/cages like hens from the age of about 2 to 20 that way there would be no teen pregnancies they can be taught everything and kept under 'reasonable' controll. If the whole world were to do this it would be a much more civilised place!

A friend and I were debating whether it is a good idea for high schools to provide free condoms in school (such as in a bathroom). I say it would reduce STI's and teen pregnancy. He says that it encourages pre0martial sex. Thoughts?
Erm...so? What's wrong with premarital sex? You wouldn't buy a car before you test-drove the hell out of it, would you? :confused:

Once you've developed your sexuality, it's yours to use how you please providing you're careful (speaking from a personal moral point of view). The fact of the matter is people are going to have sex if they have a sexuality. They will. So make it safer for them.

I can't see what the problem is of buying condoms. Sure, I live in Europe but the cultural diferencies can't be that big. Why would american teens be ashamed of buying condoms, isn't it considred aa plus if your friends are aware of it? And why do they have sex without?

He says that it encourages pre0martial sex. Thoughts?

héhé, christian!

First of all, there is nothing wrong with premarital sex. In fact, a couple that wants to get married WITHOUT having sex beforehand is being very, very irresponsible. Since sex is a very important part of any intimate relationship, to not experience it with the person you care about means that you are not fully understanding who that person is, as their complete physical being is missing from you. Sexual compatibility is very necessary in intimate relationships, and it is my opinion that those who preach sex only in the confines of marriage are sending a damaging message that sex is always a non-issue for married people since their sexual compatibility is assured - which anybody with experience will tell you is untrue even in the best of cases.

So, concerning condoms in public schools, it is an absolutely fantastic idea. People who want to have sex will use them and help prevent unwanted pregnancy and STDs. Those who are not having sex will simply not use them. And by having condoms out in the open, the schools are making them more socially acceptable, so that (boys usually) won't feel embarrassed if they use a condom (as it happened a lot in the 70s and 80s).

So, concerning condoms in public schools, it is an absolutely fantastic idea. People who want to have sex will use them and help prevent unwanted pregnancy and STDs. Those who are not having sex will simply not use them. And by having condoms out in the open, the schools are making them more socially acceptable, so that (boys usually) won't feel embarrassed if they use a condom (as it happened a lot in the 70s and 80s).

Ooh, I think you nailed it. It's not so much the availability- as has been stated, in most cases condoms are readily available anyway. It's about making condoms an accepted part of teenage life.

The cameras? The dispensers? The students? What is "them"?


The students of course - if all the students were each throw in there own lockers you wouldnt need dispensers anymore.

oh yeah - and facisim does seem to creep up on the people fairly quickly.
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Think of it this way - if students are having sex after school - youll need condom dispensors in school - like it was already said the occurences of safe sex will be much more significant than the occurences of new unsafe sex, especially if sex isnt treated as a taboo topic. Ecourage abstenence - but recommend the students keep a condom with them, especially if theyre sexually active.

Do nothing and say nothing and youll get more teen-parents which is not desirable for any economy

Ooh, I think you nailed it. It's not so much the availability- as has been stated, in most cases condoms are readily available anyway. It's about making condoms an accepted part of teenage life.

Maybe that's why I'm talking at crossed paths with people on here!

I don't think there is a culture of shame about condoms here.

But even if you were embarrassed, if the high risk of causing/having a pregnancy doesn't override that by the bucketful, what the hell is wrong with you!?!?!?!

Craig

Maybe that's why I'm talking at crossed paths with people on here!

I don't think there is a culture of shame about condoms here.

But even if you were embarrassed, if the high risk of causing/having a pregnancy doesn't override that by the bucketful, what the hell is wrong with you!?!?!?!

Craig

Then we must be educated! We must stop funding religious abstinence-education, which only causes more abortions and STDs! Condoms for everyone! Condoms in crackerjacks boxes (I'm almost serious :p)

Nah, I'm fine with dispensers. But the culture has to change. Condoms must seem cool, not dirty and evil. :)

But even if you were embarrassed, if the high risk of causing/having a pregnancy doesn't override that by the bucketful, what the hell is wrong with you!?!?!?!
Craig Can we assume you're no longer a teenager? I clearly remember how hard it was to go into a shop and buy condoms. OK, so this was in the 70s, but I don't expect it's got a lot easier.

Can we assume you're no longer a teenager? I clearly remember how hard it was to go into a shop and buy condoms. OK, so this was in the 70s, but I don't expect it's got a lot easier.

You can if you want, won't be very correct since I'm 17 :D

Sorry, but I couldn't even imagine risking becoming a father over minor embarrassment at a pharmacy.

If there is anyone who would rather have kids at 17 than buy a condom, they do NOT have the education they need! Seriously, that is ALL it comes down to!

Craig

Then we must be educated! We must stop funding religious abstinence-education, which only causes more abortions and STDs!


Abstinence education should still be taught, but only alongside education about contraceptives.

There is nothing wrong about saying "It is best to wait until you are ready." There is something wrong if that is ALL you tell them.


Nah, I'm fine with dispensers. But the culture has to change. Condoms must seem cool, not dirty and evil. :)

Lol, seem cool?

I'm quite happy with them just being seen as acceptable (which seems to be the case here). I don't buy condoms to be cool. To me, that would cheapen a very personal thing. But that is just personal preference. If kids use them because they are "cool," all good by me! Just wouldn't be my reasoning!

Craig

And remember kids, never double bag...

If kids are having sex, it's bad enough, if they're using condoms, it's even worse. Condoms are immoral and totally wrong. I'd say the best solution would be for the abolition of the public education system, boys stay home and farm the fields until 15-17, and girls are married off at 15-17 and thus they get all the sex they need from their husbands. (because most of the people having sex, probably meet in schools)

That is one of the singularly most stupid comments I have ever read.

If kids are going to have sex, then it is better that they use protection. 16-year olds are not capable of financially supporting a baby, even if they are married.

Incidentally, I'm 22 and still a virgin. I don't have this "need" for sex that everyone is talking about (It would be nice, I'm sure, but I don't feel the need to go out and shag the first slut I come across). I do think teenagers should abstain, but if they *really* feel the need to have sex, they should use condoms.

HOW TO STOP PEOPLE FROM HAVING SEX:

1) Lie about it to them, so when they do have sex they're completely unprepared.

2) Make it hard to get condoms, because it's proven that not having condoms lowers horniness by 14%.

3) Shame them out of it. Call sexually active girls whores, etc.
I hope to God you're being sarcastic.

I think it's a lousy idea! Free condoms in schools would be an outrage!



They should sell them in schools. I mean who's gonna pay for all those free condoms.

I hope to God you're being sarcastic.

Of course he is, read his other posts :p

If kids are going to have sex, then it is better that they use protection. 16-year olds are not capable of financially supporting a baby, even if they are married.



Coal mines now pay 15-22 dollars per hour, anybody can mine coal.

Not everyone lives near a coal mine.

Not everyone lives near a coal mine.
Yeah and all that soot... ick!

Hmmmm.

On one hand, you reduce the amount of STD's, STI's, and teen pregnancy rates.

On the other hand, you give jackasses something to make water(/urine/other fluid) balloons out of.

So I guess it balances out.