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Kerry/Edwards stooped to yet another new low when they politicized the death of Christopher Reeves. Edwards claims that if Kerry is elected, people will get out of their wheelchairs and walk again. As if some divine power is going to come down from on high and heal everyone with a spinal injury. :rolleyes:

That Edwards would "use" the death of Mr. Reeves is indicative of how low he will stoop.

There is NO evidence to date that EMBRYONIC stem cell research will provide any promise in the healing of spinal injuries

Edit: spelling correction.

(It's spelled divine. That's one of those words that bug me when spelled incorrectly.)

Just out of curiosity, what's Bush's stance on non-embryonic stem cell research? I think it's the lining of the stomack that's rich in stem cells in every person.

(It's spelled divine. That's one of those words that bug me when spelled incorrectly.)

Just out of curiosity, what's Bush's stance on non-embryonic stem cell research? I think it's the lining of the stomack that's rich in stem cells in every person.

There is NO limit on adult stem cell research. I saw a stem cell scientist on TV the other day responding to Edwards assertion and he just laughed. He stated that the ONLY thing they have managed to do with embryonic stem cells is cause cancer. He stated that there are currently 70 injuries/disorders being treated with adult stem cells and not one with embryonic cells.

If Kerry is "God" does that make me heathen?

There is NO limit on adult stem cell research. I saw a stem cell scientist on TV the other day responding to Edwards assertion and he just laughed. He stated that the ONLY thing they have managed to do with embryonic stem cells is cause cancer. He stated that there are currently 70 injuries/disorders being treated with adult stem cells and not one with embryonic cells.

B.S.

You must have been watching some quack. WHAT scientist said that?

B.S.

You must have been watching some quack. WHAT scientist said that?

Ok, you find ONE embryonic stem cell research that has resulted in anything. I tried for an hour and google could not find one.

Stem cells would have made no difference regarding the Christopher Reeves injury. Nothing has ever been found that regenerates spinal cord tissue and there has been no reason to hope that stem cells will provide any progress in that issue. They do however provide some hope in other degenerative diseases, but so far it is just that "hope". Still, it is the best "hope" we have.

For what it is worth, there is no "ban" on stem cell research of any kind...any person or politician who states otherwise is misinforming you at best and out and out lying at worst. The 'ban' being spoken and politicized currently is the refusal to use federal funds for embryonic research. That does not mean that it is illegal to use these embryos however if they exist. In fact, they do exist for any authorized private company to acquire access to for research regarding potential cures or stop-gap measures for current or anticipated ailments. All they have to do is requisition them from a source that escapes me atm. Its gvt controlled though and is actually the first one ever funded by any US president. Bush went that far, he just wouldn't go any further.

Still, its further than anyone else has ever gone...its progress. Its hope.

In the world of US capitalism, you would think that some greedy company would jump all over this if they 1. thought that there was a reasonable chance of success or; 2. felt that there product would not be seized for 'public good' before their patent was given the chance to provide them with a reasonable return on their R&D investment. At least that is my theory on why this issue is not being pursued with more gusto than seems to be the case. With the prospect of socializing medicine being on the horizon in the US future pending a Kerry victory, I don't believe that any of the companies see it as currently worthwhile to begin the long road of attempting to distill the miracles that may be found within stem cells based on the uncertain future of the field in which they reside. Again...its just long term business model theory though.

Perhaps someday we will live in a world where our children won't be sick...but then I imagine we will find new problems such as food shortages or the like. Ultimately, we will be our own worst enemy when we have eliminated all of the external ones. Let the most dangerous game begin then.

Embryonic Stem Cells Correct Congenital Heart Defect In Mouse Embryos
http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/WhatsNew/October_2004.htm#3

Early Research Shows Stem Cells Can Improve Movement in Paralyzed Mice
http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/scireport/chapter8.asp

There. This answers the paralysis issue as well as your claim that you haven't found any research that shows any positive effects of embryonic stem cell research. And if you don't know the difference between adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells, you shouldn't be posting about this topic.

Additionally, this topic has already been discussed.

There is NO evidence to date that EMBRYONIC stem cell research will provide any promise in the healing of spinal injuries.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15476533

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15351793

Two just on the first page of a Pubmed search.

And others that aren't directly related to nerve damage.

False hope is where Bush stands on embryonic stem cells. In fact he sent his wife out to stump that embryonic stem cells is offering false hope to the masses based on the fact that nothing has ever been discovered yet. However most if not all scientists agree that embryonic stem cell research offers the most promise of any thing that has come along in years.

Lets all just be grateful Bush wasn't in office when research for Chemotherapy was in it's infant stages, I mean it offered hope but no results..yet now it cures millions of people. Lets be happy Bush wasn't in office when they had no evidence that the cure for small pox would one day work.. or insulin, or the many other thousands of discoveries that science at one time offered no evidence but offered promise and hope. Yeah, no hope! That's what I like to see in a leader.. :gundge:

(It's spelled divine. That's one of those words that bug me when spelled incorrectly.)

Just out of curiosity, what's Bush's stance on non-embryonic stem cell research? I think it's the lining of the stomack that's rich in stem cells in every person.

The lining of the stomach is rich in stomach-related stem cells. Non-stomach related cells have not been differentiated out of stomach stem cells, any more than neurons have been differentiated out of muscle stem cells.

New Scientist Articles (http://www.newscientist.com/news/search/dosearch.jsp?advsearch=+non-embryonic+stem+cell+research&searchtype=all&x=16&y=3)

New Scientist Articles (http://www.newscientist.com/news/search/dosearch.jsp?advsearch=+non-embryonic+stem+cell+research&searchtype=all&x=16&y=3)
I followed a link in that link to get to this (http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/uselection/) that actually seemed a lot more interesting and germain to what was going on right now, and contained the most relivant article from your list, about the argument over stem cells. Why did you do your search on non-embryonic stem cells?

good question - I was interested in seeing what popped up....

I am an avid NS reader so most are already familiar to me...

I think you can guess where I got the idea for my science/politics poll....LOL!

Kerry/Edwards stooped to yet another new low when they politicized the death of Christopher Reeves. Edwards claims that if Kerry is elected, people will get out of their wheelchairs and walk again. As if some divine power is going to come down from on high and heal everyone with a spinal injury. :rolleyes:

That Edwards would "use" the death of Mr. Reeves is indicative of how low he will stoop.

There is NO evidence to date that EMBRYONIC stem cell research will provide any promise in the healing of spinal injuries

Edit: spelling correction.
I guess that stem cell research doesn't fit the mold of the man who would like to be known as the "compassionate" President (Bush)?

Kerry/Edwards stooped to yet another new low when they politicized the death of Christopher Reeves. Edwards claims that if Kerry is elected, people will get out of their wheelchairs and walk again. As if some divine power is going to come down from on high and heal everyone with a spinal injury. :rolleyes:

That Edwards would "use" the death of Mr. Reeves is indicative of how low he will stoop.

There is NO evidence to date that EMBRYONIC stem cell research will provide any promise in the healing of spinal injuries

Edit: spelling correction.

Obvisouly you've never been to a biology class in your whole fucking life.

Oh and Bush claims he'll bring freedom to the world. And he'll do it with an almost bankrupt country. Isn't that nice. Asshole.