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Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/politics/main644005.shtml

mods seriously come on

oh yeah and its because bush started the war and is having a republican controleld congress employ stop gap measures to keep them from leaving

Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/politics/main644005.shtml

My Brain Hurts!

I guess they dont like the fact that their children died because of a lie.

if these parents were complaining about their children dying in afghanistan they would be wrong. we needed to go there and the loss of soldier is the price you pay for defending your country.

when your child is sent to die in a war we have no business being in, that we went into on lies, that we went into on the very bad judgement of our president, well then they are right to blame him for it

it is a soldiers duty to be willing to die for his country; it is OUR duty to make sure that when he dies, it is for a good reason.

Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/politics/main644005.shtml


... i don't see how you can even say that? :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

You are absolutely correct, they did indeed volunteer. It's a cold fact.

I'm not certain however that you could suggest they signed up to advance the Bush family friends, allies and personal plans for oil in the Middle East.

Not unless you really are quite spectacularly stupid, ignorant/ill informed.

You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.
Well a lot of people join to get money for college and training and don't consider that another war could be around the corner...My friend was in Army Reserve for some extra cash and now he is in Iraq...It's not the brightest thing to do, but not everyone wants to be soldier that joins the Armed Forces...just another goofy reality

I guess they dont like the fact that their children died because of a lie.

Go figure. Those crazy liberals and their values.

I have always found it funny that those who join the reserves or national guard are always the first to complain when they are activated. They accept the easy money as a supplement to their other income or they take advantage of the educational opportunities. Then when called up, they act as if the gov't is singling them out or something. I saw it when I was rotating to the middle east every 90 days. National guard units would arrive for their 30 days and they would complain constantly then brag that they were going home sooner than we active duty folks were. We always found them to be funny as they always needed to "borrow" equipment or parts because they did not plan properly for the operation they were being sent to.

That their parents blame Bush is no surprise, it is a given.

I have always found it funny that those who join the reserves or national guard are always the first to complain when they are activated. They accept the easy money as a supplement to their other income or they take advantage of the educational opportunities. Then when called up, they act as if the gov't is singling them out or something. I saw it when I was rotating to the middle east every 90 days. National guard units would arrive for their 30 days and they would complain constantly then brag that they were going home sooner than we active duty folks were. We always found them to be funny as they always needed to "borrow" equipment or parts because they did not plan properly for the operation they were being sent to.

That their parents blame Bush is no surprise, it is a given.

Yeah, they're not real soldiers, I think their technical definition is "waterboy".

So all of a sudden it's unnatural for a parent to grieve when their children die? Of course they volunteered, but I doubt that anyone could realize how difficult being in the military is.

So all of a sudden it's unnatural for a parent to grieve when their children die? Of course they volunteered, but I doubt that anyone could realize how difficult being in the military is.
lets also remember i dont think anyone expected the army RESERVES to be serving just as much and as long in active duty as the usual active duty people. so there

For someone who wants to ban my posts you sure do comment on them alot.

For someone who wants to ban my posts you sure do comment on them alot.
i want the mods to prevent you from making 5 a day, and hopefully myrth or some one else intelligent will do it

I thought the purpose of the military was to defend the country not expand its borders...

The whole question assumes that the parents thought it was fantastic when there little baby went and joined the army. Now while your parents may have been glad you fucked off, most peoples' are not.

Soldiers volunteer to defend their country, and they do realize and accept that they may be called upon to give their lives to that defense. They did not however volunteer to give their lives in defense of a lie, in a war that actually advances the cause of the terrorists they are supposed to be fighting.
The parents blame Bush because he started the war based on false allegations, and has since then failed to manage it with even the smallest degree of competence, resulting in the preventable deaths of many loyal volunteers.

Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.Yes, absolutely. But I don't think it's to much to ask that the state be a bit reticent about putting them in harm's way. War is sometimes necessary, but it is not a decision to be made lightly, and with respect to Iraq I think the wrong decision was made.

The fact of the matter is, these parents have every right to be upset. I know I would be. But I wouldn't be blaming the president, and I wouldn't be blaming myself. I'd be blaming the person that shot him.

Personally, I think there are very few things more dishonorable than complaining about the war instead of supporting our men and women over there. I mean COME ON. They're over there protecting people they don't know exist, including you (generally). Whether you think the war is right or wrong has nothing to do with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that this sort of whining does nothing but demoralize our troops, and the last thing we need is troops in a warzone knowing they're going to be shunned when they come home. Not by everyone, but just by one is enough.

If you child, parent, sibling, whatever is in Iraq right now, you have no reason to be anything but proud.

Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/politics/main644005.shtml

The President of the United States lied about Iraq. He is therefore responsible for the deaths of those men.

I guess my question for those blaming Pres. Bush for all the woes in the world... and total imcompetence in Irag and Afganistan...

What is your yard stick.

Johnson with no fly /fire zones that lenghtened the Vietnam
conflict by years and kills piles of American service men???

Carter who sat and watched Iran hold our people for over 400 days ... occasionally giving them a rough tounge lashing.

Maybe Clinton... who perfected the ignore it /it will go away
position of Kerry's... just as long as you do not kill to many Americans at one time..

Or Gore's request that at $5 a gallon gas we will all start walking more and not need to import more oil or enrich the
bad guys... of course that cost diffence is a tax to fund the goverment... hummm the exact place I want to send more of my money while destroying the economic engine of America....

Having been in the Military... there are those for a fact that want to be paid for sitting and learning a better way to sit and avoid work...

But most at upstanding and honorable .. The best of the best..

Or you might disagree.....

How can anyone be proud for fighting for a lie? The greeks called it Hubris, arrogance. Too much will eventually destory you.

"What are Bushes daughters going to serve."

I liked that.

Whether or not it was a good reason to go or whether or not those who signed up realized what they were getting into are focus points to be debated under different guises, in different points in history, and so on.

But soldiers are beginning to refuse orders, and whether or not they're truly isolated as they say they are, they happen.

Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/politics/main644005.shtml

Yeah, but its not like they really have a choice a HUGE percentage in the armed forces are very poor and one of their only choices to make money and support their families is the army. They would much rather just help out with a flood or something, but when Bush starts a war and companies discuss how to make money off of it, its pretty much his fault.

Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/politics/main644005.shtml
Man, you're one real son of a bitch. If these people should ever have free airtime for whatever they want to talk about, its now. If they wanted the government to provide free liposuction to every child of woman born, they should get the chance to say it.

Many parents are declaring that Bush is to blame for the deaths of American soldiers by having them over in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is, is that those soldiers volunteered to be in the armed forces. You don't join the military and believe you won't see conflict.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/politics/main644005.shtml

I agree and disagree. They wouldn't be seeing combat if it weren't for W.

Get your ass over their. Then maybe you'll hate Bush a little more. And find compassion.

I guess my question for those blaming Pres. Bush for all the woes in the world... and total imcompetence in Irag and Afganistan...

What is your yard stick.

Johnson with no fly /fire zones that lenghtened the Vietnam
conflict by years and kills piles of American service men???

Carter who sat and watched Iran hold our people for over 400 days ... occasionally giving them a rough tounge lashing.

Maybe Clinton... who perfected the ignore it /it will go away
position of Kerry's... just as long as you do not kill to many Americans at one time..

Or Gore's request that at $5 a gallon gas we will all start walking more and not need to import more oil or enrich the
bad guys... of course that cost diffence is a tax to fund the goverment... hummm the exact place I want to send more of my money while destroying the economic engine of America....

Having been in the Military... there are those for a fact that want to be paid for sitting and learning a better way to sit and avoid work...

But most at upstanding and honorable .. The best of the best..

Or you might disagree.....

You know who fucked up Iran in the first place. Eisenhower! Yes the wonderful asshole. Eisenhower killed 30,000 Iranians in his coup, and he replaced the head of government with a dictator.

Much like what Bush has done. Isn't it nice to know our country is going around overthrowing "brutal dictatorships" and giving them "democracy."

i want the mods to prevent you from making 5 a day, and hopefully myrth or some one else intelligent will do it

Yeah, that whole free speech thing is such a pain in the ass.

it is a soldiers duty to be willing to die for his country; it is OUR duty to make sure that when he dies, it is for a good reason.

I'm sorry, but this has to win the "funniest quote" award in my book.

The fact is that sometimes, whether we want to admit it or not, people die in vain. I know it's unfortunate to hear such a thing, but sometimes it is true.

In other words, sometimes there is no good reason, but reason or not, it's certainly no one's duty to "make" it a good reason.

Personally, I think there are very few things more dishonorable than complaining about the war instead of supporting our men and women over there.Dishonorable perhaps, but necessary. Uncritical acceptance of your foreign policy by your populace is a recipe for disaster.
... the last thing we need is troops in a warzone knowing they're going to be shunned when they come home.There I agree absolutely. I'm sure they've been through far too much sh-t already. My beef is not with the troops, not at all. It is with what they are being ordered to do. And not even everything they are ordered to do; I don't doubt they are doing some good in Iraq.

Yeah, that whole free speech thing is such a pain in the ass.
Can Spam Act *stamps*