NationStates Jolt Archive

But not in a positive manner...of course. I bet he has a plan for this too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3750350.stm

Um... okay, who cares? It's not our problem Haiti can't handle a US Presidential election; maybe they should focus on getting there damn country out of the third world instead of John Kerry, eh?

Interesting as Kerry is niether the President nor even on the Senate foreign relations committee.

You could also say he's influencing them for the better as well. (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6239901/)

You could also say he's influencing them for the better as well. (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6239901/)
Of course the Germans want a conference. That way they can say they're doing something about Iraq without actually having to do anything. But it's funny how his words about Haiti, ill-advised as they were, are already being used against him. It speaks volumes about liberals that they would have kept Aristide and Saddam in power, and Carter is doing Hugo Chavez's bidding.

Of course the Germans want a conference. That way they can say they're doing something about Iraq without actually having to do anything. But it's funny how his words about Haiti, ill-advised as they were, are already being used against him. It speaks volumes about liberals that they would have kept Aristide and Saddam in power, and Carter is doing Hugo Chavez's bidding.Speaking only for myself, I'd have kept Aristide in power and backed Chavez--both were elected in polls overseen by the UN and considered fair. As for Hussein, he'd still be in power, but contained, and we'd be making better progress against Bin Laden.

funny how when something bad happens, it's all kerry's fault. but when something good happens, it was going to happen anyways.

Speaking only for myself, I'd have kept Aristide in power and backed Chavez--both were elected in polls overseen by the UN and considered fair. As for Hussein, he'd still be in power, but contained, and we'd be making better progress against Bin Laden.
Of course, all you say is a matter of opinion. I think the Haitians desperately fleeing the poverty of Haiti under Aristide are a better measure of his "legitimacy."

The recall election in Venezuela, where the results flip-flopped wildly during the recount puts to rest the notion that Hugo Chavez's election was fair. Jimmy Carter declaring an election "fair" doesn't mean it's so, especially seeing how ole Jimmy has yet to meet a dictator he didn't like.

As for Saddam, the mass graves still being found are the best argument yet for the war. And just how many terror attacks have we had in the US since 9/11/01? That's right, none. Where's Osama bin Laden? Dead, I say. Sounds like progress to me.

funny how when something bad happens, it's all kerry's fault. but when something good happens, it was going to happen anyways.

Very, very good point... however, I would've said whenever anything good happens it's Bush's doing. :headbang:

Of course, all you say is a matter of opinion. I think the Haitians desperately fleeing the poverty of Haiti under Aristide are a better measure of his "legitimacy."Never said it wasn't. Sure, Aristide was no prize, but the guy in charge is no prize either, and the guys that preceded Aristide were bastards as well. At least Aristide was elected in an election wheich the US oversaw, and if we're ostensibly supporting democracy, then damnit, that ought to mean something.

The recall election in Venezuela, where the results flip-flopped wildly during the recount puts to rest the notion that Hugo Chavez's election was fair. Jimmy Carter declaring an election "fair" doesn't mean it's so, especially seeing how ole Jimmy has yet to meet a dictator he didn't like.Chavez's election was fair, and there have been no indications that it wasn't. It's been accepted by the international community, and by the US. What more do you want?

As for Saddam, the mass graves still being found are the best argument yet for the war. And just how many terror attacks have we had in the US since 9/11/01? That's right, none. Where's Osama bin Laden? Dead, I say. Sounds like progress to me.
Had the rationale for war in Iraq been a humanitarian one, then I might have considered supporting it, although I likely would have still argued that we needed to take care of al Qaeda first. But that wasn't the reason for war and you know it. You can say we've made progress, but the fact is that we're just as vulnerable as we ever were--our ports are still largely unprotected, our borders are still porous, and our military is bogged down in an unnecessary war. If that's progress, no thanks.

Hell, Kerry's been influencing international relations for 4 or so years. According to scaryjohnkerry.com, 9/11 is entirely Kerry's fault. That's pretty impressive.

Hell, Kerry's been influencing international relations for 4 or so years. According to scaryjohnkerry.com, 9/11 is entirely Kerry's fault. That's pretty impressive.

(not a flame)

I wonder if they'll tie John Kerry to colonialism, the Civil War, the Mongol invasions, the Fall of The Roman Empire and the Peleponessian War next. Or even the Crusades. Heck, why not throw in the Opium War while we're at it?

Panhandia, I couldn't agree with your comments anymore. When will the American hemisphere wake up and realise that they have no right to self-direction but are merely external territories of the USA. What right did the Venezuelan people have to elect a leftist President like Hugo Chyavez. Shame on Carter for supporting a democratically elected head of state. America can't allow left wing governments in its hemisphere, not just because its citizens were stupid enough to elect them. Take the case of Chile, the Chileans were stupid enough to elect a leftwinger like Allende, and so (once again) it was up to America to show those stupid latinos what civilisation really is, by backing Pinochet. My, but what a paradise on earth Chile was during the 70's and 80's. And the same goes fore Nicuragua under the Santandistas, the Nicuraguans were stupid to support lefties, and of course Cuba as well.

The fact is my friends, that democracy might be fine and good, but it is only acceptable when the people of the world elect governments that are acceptable to America. The same goes for Iraq, we all want democracy, but we can't allow them to elect a Muslim fundamentalist government, that goes against America, the whole reason we invaded in the first place. No my friends, we can't allow democracy to be corrupted by the stupidity of the electorate.

Just as George W said, "The problem with the French is that they have no word for entrepeneur." Too right.