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It seems to me that all the Europeans on this site are so damn Anti-Western. I mean GOD its not like people over here think about hating Europe all the time.

And in response to another thread. We really are not governed by "Radical Christianity." I really don't see any laws over hear that are any different than the one imposed in Europe.

Mayber you guys just don't like us because of our metric system :D

I'm more Anti American. But I dislike Bush as well.

As far as I know, most of europe is considered to be part of the western world.

Do you just not like us because of what we stand for?

As far as I know, most of europe is considered to be part of the western world.
Well to be fair, you guys don't have a long track record of getting along amongst yourselves.

Do you just not like us because of what we stand for?
And what would that be?

How could Europe hate the West in general? THEY ARE the West!

Almost every country loves Americans. It's America's policies they hate.

There are too many generalizations of America that usually are not true. I really can't give you what we stand for in a nut shell. Tell me exactly what you hate about us.

There are too many generalizations of America that usually are not true. I really can't give you what we stand for in a nut shell. Tell me exactly what you hate about us.
I think Rammsteins song: America describes it pretty well. I dislike the flooding of the world with American Mc Donalds and Mikey Mouse culture.

I think Rammsteins song: America describes it pretty well. I dislike the flooding of the world with American Mc Donalds and Mikey Mouse culture.
But it's not America putting those there, it's Europeans.

The whole anti-America/anti-Europe thing has been played up so much it's not funny.

"Freedom fries"? For fucksake, what was the point of that? Besides to illustrate American's ignorance that french fries DONT ACTUALLY COME FROM FRANCE?!

I don't hate Europeans. I talk with Europeans all the time and they don't hate America.

And Europe is part of the western world... :p

What a coincidence, I hate that shit they serve at McDonalds too, but McDonalds is not the only fast food place in the world.

Freedom Fries do not represent the ignorance of America. They represent the ignorance of a select politician who was campaigning against France in Ohio. It's not like the entire American population came up with that slogan. Get your facts straight.

And another thing. AMERICA DOES NOT RUN MCDONALD'S. It's an independent company that went global and got accepted as a franchise into European nations.

At least you Europeans are lucky; you don't have the damned Yankees as your neighbours. You just have to hear about it. It sucks having them as your neighbour.

For me, I definitely dislike Bush more. I, like most of the people I know, has naothing againt the country of USA itself, it's a nice enough place as far as I am concerned. Of course, some of the dislike for Bush in Europe (an there is a LOT) WILL be taken out on USA, regardless of wheter the deserve it or not.

At least you Europeans are lucky; you don't have the damned Yankees as your neighbours. You just have to hear about it. It sucks having them as your neighbour.
Believe me, we're not too keen on you Gooks either. Oh wait, I've just sunken into insulting all members of another nation for no reason other than the fact I'm a bigoted idiot. My bad.

Believe me, we're not too keen on you Gooks either. Oh wait, I've just sunken into insulting all members of another nation for no reason other than the fact I'm a bigoted idiot. My bad.
Yeah! Especially since it's Canuck!! ;) at least get your insults right! Remember, the Canucks aren't just a hockey team.

;) Also, remember, people from Ontario are hosers, Quebecers are Pepsis (just don't ask), Newfoundlanders are Newfies, Albertans are the cowboy oilriggers ;), and people from BC are granola munchin' tree-huggin' commies.

How could Europe hate the West in general? THEY ARE the West!

Almost every country loves Americans. It's America's policies they hate.
They are only considered the West because they have been under the American umbrella for the last 70 years.

As far as I know, most of europe is considered to be part of the western world.
Thats what I thought too.

They are only considered the West because they have been under the American umbrella for the last 70 years.
Socrates would be very upset to hear that.

Yeah! Especially since it's Canuck!! ;) at least get your insults right! Remember, the Canucks aren't just a hockey team.

;) Also, remember, people from Ontario are hosers, Quebecers are Pepsis (just don't ask), Newfoundlanders are Newfies, Albertans are the cowboy oilriggers ;), and people from BC are granola munchin' tree-huggin' commies.
Hosers?
So I can call my mates from Windsor Hosers?
I dont get it.

I think if any country has as much influence as the US does then it is bound to be disliked
I really do think europe is in the west but it does depend on where you measure from on a map.

AMERICA DOES NOT RUN MCDONALD'S. It's an independent company that went global and got accepted as a franchise into European nations.

Independancy is a joke. On which part do you think were the McDonalds traditions of food (including how incredibly unhealthy it is) based on:
A) Germany
B) Armenia
C) Rwanda
D) United States of America

DOH. Theres various studies on it, proving how unhealthy that utter crap is besides it being marketed as such. Give us the quality of the American culture, but also keep your dogfood in the USA and keep eating it yourself until your population explodes. McDonalds food should be illegal.

Independancy is a joke. On which part do you think were the McDonalds traditions of food (including how incredibly unhealthy it is) based on:
A) Germany
B) Armenia
C) Rwanda
D) United States of America

DOH. Theres various studies on it, proving how unhealthy that utter crap is besides it being marketed as such. Give us the quality of the American culture, but also keep your dogfood in the USA and keep eating it yourself until your population explodes. McDonalds food should be illegal.
Then illegalize it, you moron. Don't blame America because YOUR country elected to set up restaurants owned by YOUR countrymen that you have a problem with.

Independancy is a joke. On which part do you think were the McDonalds traditions of food (including how incredibly unhealthy it is) based on:
A) Germany
B) Armenia
C) Rwanda
D) United States of America

DOH. Theres various studies on it, proving how unhealthy that utter crap is besides it being marketed as such. Give us the quality of the American culture, but also keep your dogfood in the USA and keep eating it yourself until your population explodes. McDonalds food should be illegal.
The burger is not American, neither are fried potatoes.

Here's a solution to the McDonads and Disney, etc. onslaught around the world: don't buy their products! :headbang:

They'll be gone in no time.

The Burger came from the GERMAN Hamberg Steak.
Americans placed it on a roll, and called it a Hamberger.
For the complete History of the Hamberger see/listen:
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/hamburger/

French Fries are actually a Belgian invention.
For a history on the old 'tater in Europe see:
http://www.stim.com/Stim-x/9.2/fries/fries-sidebar-09.2.html
It is a fun one.

It seems to me that all the Europeans on this site are so damn Anti-Western. I mean GOD its not like people over here think about hating Europe all the time.

And in response to another thread. We really are not governed by "Radical Christianity." I really don't see any laws over hear that are any different than the one imposed in Europe.

Mayber you guys just don't like us because of our metric system :D

How can we be anti-western? We are western?

Yes, Bush Jnr is very unpopular amongst Europeans of all nationalities; but why this is so often confused for anti-Americanism by some Americans is beyond me. I think it reflects some kind of peculiar neurosis that these Americans have that means that any critisism of anything American equals an attack on their entire country. In reality the vast majority of Europeans are not against the USA, just its current President and administration's policies.

How can we be anti-western? We are western?

Yes, Bush Jnr is very unpopular amongst Europeans of all nationalities; but why this is so often confused for anti-Americanism by some Americans is beyond me. I think it reflects some kind of peculiar neurosis that these Americans have that means that any critisism of anything American equals an attack on their entire country. In reality the vast majority of Europeans are not against the USA, just its current President and administration's policies.
Wow, while you were trying to say you werent Anti-American you proclaimed that all those who take offense to what you might say are mentally diseased.
I cant imagine why you run into to such angst towards your critisisms.

Wow, while you were trying to say you werent Anti-American you proclaimed that all those who take offense to what you might say are mentally diseased.
I cant imagine why you run into to such angst towards your critisisms.

I think you misread my post, I said "these" Americans, as in referring to the particular ones affected by this. Neorisis can be used in a wider context than mental disease, I did not wish to imply they were mentally ill - I meant it in the sense of an obsession. Sorry if that's not very clear, it's not always so easy writing these kind of things in languages other than your mother-tongue.

Then illegalize it, you moron. Don't blame America because YOUR country elected to set up restaurants owned by YOUR countrymen that you have a problem with.

1) I don't blame America, i blame mostly the US culture. More particular, the food culture.
2) No countrymen has influence on that except that this illegal business is legal thus has not become illegal. Somehow it is legal to misinform people, somehow it is okay to have corporations like this spouting their propaganda in schools
3) Pizza is Italian; American pizza is hardly the same. Same for burgers.

Down with McDonalds. Graffiti on all their buildings till they're gone.

Here's a solution to the McDonads and Disney, etc. onslaught around the world: don't buy their products! :headbang:

They'll be gone in no time.

More active solutions ought to be done to protect the innocent. If our politicians don't defend our country against illicit food, we have to take action ourselves.

Wow, while you were trying to say you werent Anti-American you proclaimed that all those who take offense to what you might say are mentally diseased.
I cant imagine why you run into to such angst towards your critisisms.
Nope I got it.
I was pointing out that when someone racts in a way you disagree with you proclaim them to be mantally diseased as my post clearly states.

I don't like Bush........period. I have Friends from the US and I don't hate them. And with America I would include Canada, Mexico etc. And one can't hate the canucks now can you?

1) I don't blame America, i blame mostly the US culture. More particular, the food culture.
2) No countrymen has influence on that except that this illegal business is legal thus has not become illegal. Somehow it is legal to misinform people, somehow it is okay to have corporations like this spouting their propaganda in schools
3) Pizza is Italian; American pizza is hardly the same. Same for burgers.

Down with McDonalds. Graffiti on all their buildings till they're gone.
Pizza was invented in America by combining different Italian dishes.
Focaccia for one.
Oh, I had three years of culinary training so stop making up facts about food it is annoying.

Nope I got it.
I was pointing out that when someone racts in a way you disagree with you proclaim them to be mantally diseased as my post clearly states.

I am sorry, you have misunderstod me. Perhaps the word that would have been better (in place of neurosis) would be perception?? You have to remember that we don't all have English as our first language on the board; I say again (quite explicitily): I did not wish to infer they were mentally diseased. I hope that this makes it clearer now.

Pizza was invented in America by combining different Italian dishes.
Focaccia for one.
Oh, I had three years of culinary training so stop making up facts about food it is annoying.

ROFL :D

Stop with your revisionism and other argumentums ad hominem and start naming your sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza#History). It is annoying.

1) I don't blame America, i blame mostly the US culture. More particular, the food culture.
2) No countrymen has influence on that except that this illegal business is legal thus has not become illegal. Somehow it is legal to misinform people, somehow it is okay to have corporations like this spouting their propaganda in schools
3) Pizza is Italian; American pizza is hardly the same. Same for burgers.

Down with McDonalds. Graffiti on all their buildings till they're gone.

I have to say, I don't eat in McDonalds - but this is not a political statement, I simply don't like their food (to me, it's like eating cardboard!). And yes, I also prefer Italian (thiner base) pizza over American style pizza. But again, this is due to my personal taste not politics.

I do think that McDonalds should be able to trade in Europe, as it's up to people whether they want to eat there or not, in the same way as it's up to Americans whether they shop at, eg Ikea and H&M's branches in the USA.

I am sorry, you have misunderstod me. Perhaps the word that would have been better (in place of neurosis) would be perception?? You have to remember that we don't all have English as our first language on the board; I say again (quite explicitily): I did not wish to infer they were mentally diseased. I hope that this makes it clearer now.
Gotcha,
Neurosis is a mental defect.
:D no longer defensive.

ROFL :D

Stop with your revisionism and other argumentums ad hominem and start naming your sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza#History). It is annoying.
Spoil sport. :rolleyes:

As a European, I don't hate the American people, nor do the people I live with hate America. At most, there is some contempt that the US people elected Bush, who is the true target of a widespread loathing. Personally, i consider Americans to be naive.

This happens mainly due to is perceived arrogance and incompetence in dealing with terrorism. Before 9/11 Bush was poked, made fun of, and somewhat considered biased in the Israeli-palestinian conflict, but no one made much fuss about him, except for easy jokes. He was also disliked for not being in favor of the Kyoto Protocal and International Tribunal.. he made (and still makes) the rest of the world feel like if the US were more than the others.

After 9/11, the world stood behind the US (even the French, who were all wearing "Today I am an American" badges), going in a really broad coalition into Afghanistan, to topple those that were proven to have supported terrorism in the past and present (The Taliban). The widespread loathing started when Bush quickly shifted is sight to Iraq. Despite the information provided by the UN and several of its allies (The French and German mainly) that Iraq did NOT had any WMD or supported terrorism in practical ways, Bush decided to ignore this and mount a military invasion, of one day to the other, hostilizing all those that weren't in favor (Remember the: "If you are not with us, you are against us"?). Now, those that were hostilized offcourse started to get really pissed at Bush, seeing their (now proven to be true) information ignored, because Bush really just wanted to go to war. Without a reason, the people of those countries started considering Bush a greedy megalomaniac that went to Iraq due to its Oil, because Bush never mounted a case that contradicted this. The following events, were the US let Iraq fall into Anarchy just came to strenghten the negative opinion of the US admnistration.

So why do Europeans hate Bush? Because he is a greedy liar, that has sent its soldiers to die for nothing, or at least, only for a lie (and i assure you, as a European, i pity those US kids out there) , that as killed five times more IRaqui civilians than those that died in the WTC, and that still thinks he is great, despite the evidence of the contrary. That simple.

I have to say, I don't eat in McDonalds - but this is not a political statement, I simply don't like their food (to me, it's like eating cardboard!). And yes, I also prefer Italian (thiner base) pizza over American style pizza. But again, this is due to my personal taste not politics.

I do think that McDonalds should be able to trade in Europe, as it's up to people whether they want to eat there or not, in the same way as it's up to Americans whether they shop at, eg Ikea and H&M's branches in the USA.

What if there is solid proof their food is unhealthy whereas there's no such thing regarding pizza? If Ikea or H&M make products which malfunction, or with low quality, they certainly are in a problematic solution and would be forced to stop distributing that.

More active solutions ought to be done to protect the innocent. If our politicians don't defend our country against illicit food, we have to take action ourselves.
If your politicians aren't doing enough, it's because you're electing bad ones. Which again, is not the US's fault.

ROFL :D

Stop with your revisionism and other argumentums ad hominem and start naming your sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza#History). It is annoying.
How about the Burgers and fries you started out bitching about?
:D

Spoil sport. :rolleyes:

Evading the issue. :rolleyes:

:D The Burger came from the GERMAN Hamberg Steak.
Americans placed it on a roll, and called it a Hamberger.
For the complete History of the Hamberger see/listen:
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/hamburger/

French Fries are actually a Belgian invention.
For a history on the old 'tater in Europe see:
http://www.stim.com/Stim-x/9.2/fries/fries-sidebar-09.2.html
It is a fun one.

If your politicians aren't doing enough, it's because you're electing bad ones. Which again, is not the US's fault.

And if they're starting an illegal war which leads to massive criticism from all over the world,you forget to mention Poland! :rolleyes: in a democratic society, the people of that society are free to take actions like the one described here.

What if there is solid proof their food is unhealthy whereas there's no such thing regarding pizza? If Ikea or H&M make products which malfunction, or with low quality, they certainly are in a problematic solution and would be forced to stop distributing that.

I have no doubt a lot (most even) McDonalds food is unhealthy, but hey, so is a lot of Swedish food, so the Americans don't have a monopoly on unhealthy food. I doubt it's dangerous though on its own. I would be very much against the EU allowing hormone treated beef to be imported into Europe, and thankfully at present it is forbidden.

And if they're starting an illegal war which leads to massive criticism from all over the world,you forget to mention Poland! :rolleyes: in a democratic society, the people of that society are free to take actions like the one described here.
What, grafetting buildings owned by Europeans to show their disdain for Americans? No small wonder we don't take you guys seriously.

Gotcha,
Neurosis is a mental defect.
:D no longer defensive.

Thanks :)
In Swedish neurosis (neuros) meaning also means an emotional condition or distorted perception - that's the meaning I meant. I didn't realise in English it only meant the mental illness (but I do now!)... sorry for the earlier misunderstanding!

Yeah! Especially since it's Canuck!! ;) at least get your insults right! Remember, the Canucks aren't just a hockey team.

;) Also, remember, people from Ontario are hosers, Quebecers are Pepsis (just don't ask), Newfoundlanders are Newfies, Albertans are the cowboy oilriggers ;), and people from BC are granola munchin' tree-huggin' commies.
Sorry, but I have to ask. Pepsi like the soda or Pepi as in le Peu?

What, grafetting buildings owned by Europeans to show their disdain for Americans? No small wonder we don't take you guys seriously.


Arammanar, you should remember that this is an extremist viewpoint, rather akin to some extremist Americans who believe in pulling out of the UN / boycotting French cheese and wine etc. There are extremists on both sides unfortunately.

What, grafetting buildings owned by Europeans to show their disdain for Americans?

1) It doesnt matter who's owning these buildings.
2) It is not an act against America or America, it is an act against a criminal corporation from the USA.

I just wanted to relate this poll from another thread it applies to the original question of this thread.
Here's the proof, if you needed it, that Europeans are mostly opposed tot he war in Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2747175.stm

Note the first poll.
"The Forsa poll found 57% of Germans held the opinion that "the United States is a nation of warmongers". "

1) It doesnt matter who's owning these buildings.
2) It is not an act against America or America, it is an act against a criminal corporation from the USA.
You know how Americans deal with corporations we don't like? We DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS. You know what it's called when you vandalize someone's building in the hopes that they'll leave? Terrorism...

Thanks :)
In Swedish neurosis (neuros) meaning also means an emotional condition or distorted perception - that's the meaning I meant. I didn't realise in English it only meant the mental illness (but I do now!)... sorry for the earlier misunderstanding!
Borgoa it does also mean that, but any American will immediately take insult to such words, because most people automatically associate the word with the disease not the actual meaning.

Arammanar, you should remember that this is an extremist viewpoint, rather akin to some extremist Americans who believe in pulling out of the UN / boycotting French cheese and wine etc. There are extremists on both sides unfortunately.
The extremists get all the media attention though. Most Americans who don't like the UN DO like the idea of some international body, but there's no consensus on what it should be.

WHY??? because bush is an imbacile!! so you take us to war, lower taxes for the upper class, kill social security, ban canadian made drugs, want to ban gay marriage which should be a right, as should be abortions. We now have the biggest budget deficeit in the history of the country, when only a couple of years ago we had a 3 trillion dollar surplus. yea, not only that but the country lost 1.5 million JOBS!!! A**H*** go to hell!!!!! SO AS A EUROPEAN I HATE BUSH, NOT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1) It doesnt matter who's owning these buildings.
2) It is not an act against America or America, it is an act against a criminal corporation from the USA.
You still talking about german BUrgers and Beligian potatoes?
Dont eat the stuff, and I have news for you.
The quality of the products in Europe from those food chains is far greater then the qualtiy here.
Also the money they make there they use to lobby with here.
I would count it a blessing to see MikieD loose some billions from the European market.

WHY??? because bush is an imbacile!! so you take us to war, lower taxes for the upper class, kill social security, ban canadian made drugs, want to ban gay marriage which should be a right, as should be abortions. We now have the biggest budget deficeit in the history of the country, when only a couple of years ago we had a 3 trillion dollar surplus. yea, not only that but the country lost 1.5 million JOBS!!! A**H*** go to hell!!!!! SO AS A EUROPEAN I HATE BUSH, NOT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush is an "imbacile" huh? Looks like you should go to an American school and learn how to spell. Social security, abortions, and marriage are not rights, as at least half the country believes. So don't blame Bush for things beyond his control (like the will of the American people) and we won't blame you for things beyond yours (such as your school never teaching you the proper spelling of imbicle).

WHY??? because bush is an imbacile!! so you take us to war, lower taxes for the upper class, kill social security, ban canadian made drugs, want to ban gay marriage which should be a right, as should be abortions. We now have the biggest budget deficeit in the history of the country, when only a couple of years ago we had a 3 trillion dollar surplus. yea, not only that but the country lost 1.5 million JOBS!!! A**H*** go to hell!!!!! SO AS A EUROPEAN I HATE BUSH, NOT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You say"we" about the American Deficit, you say WE the former American Suplus,
You Say "Us" about the war, then you say you are European, which is it?

I have no doubt a lot (most even) McDonalds food is unhealthy, but hey, so is a lot of Swedish food

Such is among the world far less organized than a corporation such as McDonalds. You see, there are more than enough reasons to critisize other restaurants or 'restaurants' as well, but they are far less well organized as a big one like this. And its not only the quality. (I can name some reasons and refer to these if you want btw.)

Here's some lecture to start with
* Why McDonalds tastes so good? (http://www.mathaba.net/data/whymcdonalds.htm)
* McSpotlight.org (http://www.mcspotlight.org)

I would be very much against the EU allowing hormone treated beef to be imported into Europe, and thankfully at present it is forbidden.

Hormoned beef is one part of US meat's problem.

You know how Americans deal with corporations we don't like? We DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS.

Pacifict pricks.

You know what it's called when you vandalize someone's building in the hopes that they'll leave? Terrorism...

That's right, in 2004: activism, criticism and vandalism == terrorism thanks to this FUD campaign of the Bush administration.

Pacifict pricks.



That's right, in 2004: activism, criticism and vandalism == terrorism thanks to this FUD campaign of the Bush administration.
This is probably the first and only time anyone has called the US a pacifist...

The idea that you'd encourage vandalism to further your petty goals is really quite disgusting a reason why Americans have such a skewed view of Europeans.

You still talking about german BUrgers and Beligian potatoes?
Dont eat the stuff, and I have news for you.

Doesn't matter, what matters is who's behind it. The corporation behind it is one of the largest terrorists in the fight for animal rights. I don't know about their environmental behaviour but i won't hold my breath.

I don't eat such crap btw. I only eat organic food, non-GM, non-meat and non-animal products for the sake of my health. From sane corporations if i might add.

Also the money they make there they use to lobby with here. I would count it a blessing to see MikieD loose some billions from the European market.

Me2.

PS: Someone mentioned Mickey Mouse as a statue of American culture. LMFAO. Go look up how Disney's monopoly status on something which should have expired years ago got extended again, and again, and again by changes in the copyright law. Time for a new statue, folks. Also see the Eldred vs Ashcroft case.

Animals have the right to be eaten. That's about it.

This is probably the first and only time anyone has called the US a pacifist...

I called US civilians pacifists regarding this issue. Boycotting is a pacifist way of dealing with a situation, more active ways such as damaging the economy of a criminal corporation, or spreading information about it (e.g. pamflettes) are needed to stop McDonalds.

The idea that you'd encourage vandalism to further your petty goals is really quite disgusting a reason why Americans have such a skewed view of Europeans.

Who cares. Rather being honest than pushing some agenda to be likened (or dislikened). Don't act like your president does...

Animals have the right to be eaten. That's about it.

If thats a right, then so have humans, because they are nothing more or less than [other] animals. If a dictator opresses its civilians, its somehow good to invade that country and to bring that dictator to justice, although other dictators are free to do as they want to. If humans do the very same thing and opress the freedom of animals, thats somehow okay. Logic? :rolleyes:

Just wanted to say from the original post. I'm canadian, done some travelling in Europe, When I was in Greece, didn't find much appreciation for america, or americans.

Although I suspect as with me, it's simply because of Bush's term.

If thats a right, then so have humans, because they are nothing more or less than [other] animals. If a dictator opresses its civilians, its somehow good to invade that country and to bring that dictator to justice, although other dictators are free to do as they want to. If humans do the very same thing and opress the freedom of animals, thats somehow okay. Logic? :rolleyes:
Animals are animals. They are subhuman. If they weren't, they'd do something about their situation. They don't seem to mind all that much.

I just wanted to relate this poll from another thread it applies to the original question of this thread.

Note the first poll.
"The Forsa poll found 57% of Germans held the opinion that "the United States is a nation of warmongers". "
It's been my experience that many Europeans and Brits have an ambivalence about America. The Iraqi mess provides a sharp and current focal point but really the questions are somewhat unrelated. I don't believe the entire anti-invasion, anti-war sentiment is born solely on that ambivalence. But it exists in an environment that has that as backdrop.

Animals are animals. They are subhuman.

I remember some alternative way of thinking by some wacko Austrian...

If they weren't, they'd do something about their situation. They don't seem to mind all that much.

Great. So if i put a gun at you, you are stunned and don't move, and i shoot you, i'm fine. Because "you didn't do anything about your situation. You didn't seem to mind all that much." [sic]

Same counts for the Kurds and the Shiats. "they didn't do something about their situation. They don't seem to mind all that much." [sic]

A mink which is being tested on, which gets an anal penetration after which an electric shock occurs, doesn't appear to mind much. Who who wouldn't like anal electric shocks anyway? Those who don't are whack. Just because i hardly am able to hear the animal means it doesnt 'appear to mind all that much'. The fact our perception is skewed and far from scientific doesn't matter.

What's the next rhetoric? :)

I called US civilians pacifists regarding this issue. Boycotting is a pacifist way of dealing with a situation, more active ways such as damaging the economy of a criminal corporation, or spreading information about it (e.g. pamflettes) are needed to stop McDonalds.



Who cares. Rather being honest than pushing some agenda to be likened (or dislikened). Don't act like your president does...


Interesting, people are disgusted with President Bush (for good reason, imo) because of his extremist war-like ways. So you tell people not to act like him, but advocate more extreme measures then peacful boycotting...

You sir, need a long...deep dip in the almighty Clue Bucket.

Pacifict pricks.



That's right, in 2004: activism, criticism and vandalism == terrorism thanks to this FUD campaign of the Bush administration.
Not so. Only a complete moron would refer to a minor criminal offense as terrorism.

Doesn't matter, what matters is who's behind it. The corporation behind it is one of the largest terrorists in the fight for animal rights. I don't know about their environmental behaviour but i won't hold my breath.

I don't eat such crap btw. I only eat organic food, non-GM, non-meat and non-animal products for the sake of my health. From sane corporations if i might add.
Me2.
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I dont know about Animal rights but the Mcdonald Political Lobbist donation effect civil rights in a manner I disapprove of and I agree in a pro-active stance.

Why do you hate Bush so much?

Is it because he attacked Iraq without a UN mandate?

Clinton attacked Serbia without a UN mandate, do you hate him?

Or is it just because the european governments had invested interests in Iraq that made throwing out Milosevic more profitable than Saddam?

The one thing I noticed about Europe is that most of their youth lack the ability to think past their government's rhetoric, America on the other hand, most of their youth don't even know what their government's rhetoric is, I could never quite figure out which one was worse, although youth apathy tends to benefit the more rational candidates. (I think I'd rather the latter personally though, laugh)

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Interesting, people are disgusted with President Bush (for good reason, imo) because of his extremist war-like ways. So you tell people not to act like him, but advocate more extreme measures then peacful boycotting...

???

1) who says that's the only reason?
2) did i ever say i did NOT support the removal of this dictator?
3) don't you see the difference between the acting of a president versus the acting of the a number of people in a democracy?
4) we've waited long enough for animal rights via all kind of democratic ways but somehow those in power always tend to view it as non-important. Its time we start and continue to fight for the cause of those who are not able to do so, 'to bring democracy' instead of torture and terrorism (e.g. among minks). In contrast, Bush his father could have chosen to never support 'the enemy of his enemy' (Taliban) orwhooped Saddam right in the second gulf war (Kuwait war).

It seems to me that all the Europeans on this site are so damn Anti-Western. I mean GOD its not like people over here think about hating Europe all the time.

And in response to another thread. We really are not governed by "Radical Christianity." I really don't see any laws over hear that are any different than the one imposed in Europe.

Mayber you guys just don't like us because of our metric system :D

Ok that is just a opinion but if you're a bit informed, you must be aware poll held in 10 nations done by the international poll/study bureau ICM..Next top quality papers cooperated in the study/poll and I'll post a small conclusion of them:


Le Monde (Fr):" George Bush has a terrible score in each category, their is just one groop of French that supports him all the way: the voters of the Front National" --> that is the French fascist/neo nazi party, anti jew, anti muslim aso..

Asahi Shimbun (Japan): " The Japanese opinion about the US is compicated because of the history between both countries and because of what many see as both faces of the US."

Joongang Ilbo (S.Korea): "Last years, the perception of a lot of South Koreans on the US changed drasticly. The US aren't seen as a leader any more for the reunification but as a obstacle between both Korea's."

The Guardian (UK): "Nevertheless the work of Tony Blair, a new kind of anti-americanisme is the new tone in the UK".

Moskovskie Novosti (Russia): "Just after Beslan, a lot of Russians have more sypathie for the US because terrorists act everywhere.But now, a bit later, the Russian citizen is getting back to a more non emotional view."

El Pais (Spain): "Seldom has a US government been so isolated as this one, after the situation it created in Iraq."

Reforma (Mexico): " Why did the Mexicans turned their back to Bush? Not because of our bilateral relations wich are good till very good, but because of the invasion in Iraq and the war on terror that is a new religion of the Bush gov."

La Presse (Canada): " It is striking that the US reputation as a example of democracy fell down such like: 59% of the Quebebecois sees the US not anymore as a model. But besides occasional vague forms of anti US-nationalisme, the Canadians are aware of what they ow the US: a part of their prosperity and the defence of the continent."

The Sydney Herald (Australia): "The US president is still the leader of the free world but the free world is less likely to accept him."

Ha'aretz (Israel): "Israel loves the US because it opens the umbrella that protect us from our enemies."


This what editors wrote in the papers, now the results
(Worlwide opinion done under population of allies (all)/ trade partners (Russia)).

Who do like to see as the winner in the US elections? :

Australia: Bush 28%, Kerry 54%
UK: Bush 22%; Kerry 50%
Canada: Bush 20%, Kerry 60%
France: Bush 16%, Kerry 72%
Israel: Bush 50%, Kerry 24%
Japan: Bush 30%, Kerry 51%
Mexico: Bush 20%, Kerry 55%
Russia: Bush 52%, Kerry 48%
South Kor: Bush 18%, Kerry 68%
Spain: Bush 13%, Kerry 58%
Average: Bush 27%, Kerry 54%

In general, for or against Americans (US)?:

Australia: For 72%, Against 21%
UK: For 62%, Against 21%
Canada: For 73%, Against 23%
France: For 72%, Against 24%
Israel: For 81%, Against 24%
Japan: For 74%, Against 17%
Mexico: For 51% , Against 43%
russia: For 86%, Against 13%
S. Korea: For 65%, Against 30%
Spain: For 47%, Against 32%
Average: For 68%, Against 23%

Attack of the US on Iraq, good or wrong?

Australia: Not of application
UK: Not of application
Canada: Good 24%, Wrong 67%
France: Good 18%, Wrong 77%
Israel: Good 68%, Wrong 26%
Japan: Good 16%, Wrong 71%
Mexico: Good 10%, Wrong 83%
Russia: Good 39%, Wrong 54%
S.Korea: Good 11%, Wrong 85%
Spain: Good 13%, Wrong 80%
Average: Good 25%, Wrong 68%

So this international poll about the US foreign policy is devasting for the Bush administration but praises the US as a nation. The White house is specially counterspoken for its Iraq policy. Even the most moyal allie in EU, the UK takes distance of the White House.

Pff a lot of typework.

www.lemonde.fr
www.asahi.com
www.joongangdaily.joins.com
www.guardian.co.uk
www.english.mn.ru/english
www.elpais.es
www.reforma.com
www.cyberpresse.ca
www.smh.com.au
www.haaretzdaily.com

Wow, you can imagine what countries like the rest of Europe and other Western nations think when you read this. Besides some rogue nations like Israel and Russia (altough the poll seems to be done just after Beslan) most are against Bush but for the US people.

Ok that is just a opinion but if you're a bit informed, you must be aware poll held in 10 nations done by the international poll/study bureau ICM..Next top quality papers cooperated in the study/poll and I'll post a small conclusion of them:


Le Monde (Fr):" George Bush has a terrible score in each category, their is just one groop of French that supports him all the way: the voters of the Front National" --> that is the French fascist/neo nazi party, anti jew, anti muslim aso..

Asahi Shimbun (Japan): " The Japanese opinion about the US is compicated because of the history between both countries and because of what many see as both faces of the US."

Joongang Ilbo (S.Korea): "Last years, the perception of a lot of South Koreans on the US changed drasticly. The US aren't seen as a leader any more for the reunification but as a obstacle between both Korea's."

The Guardian (UK): "Nevertheless the work of Tony Blair, a new kind of anti-americanisme is the new tone in the UK".

Moskovskie Novosti (Russia): "Just after Beslan, a lot of Russians have more sypathie for the US because terrorists act everywhere.But now, a bit later, the Russian citizen is getting back to a more non emotional view."

El Pais (Spain): "Seldom has a US government been so isolated as this one, after the situation it created in Iraq."

Reforma (Mexico): " Why did the Mexicans turned their back to Bush? Not because of our bilateral relations wich are good till very good, but because of the invasion in Iraq and the war on terror that is a new religion of the Bush gov."

La Presse (Canada): " It is striking that the US reputation as a example of democracy fell down such like: 59% of the Quebebecois sees the US not anymore as a model. But besides occasional vague forms of anti US-nationalisme, the Canadians are aware of what they ow the US: a part of their prosperity and the defence of the continent."

The Sydney Herald (Australia): "The US president is still the leader of the free world but the free world is less likely to accept him."

Ha'aretz (Israel): "Israel loves the US because it opens the umbrella that protect us from our enemies."


This what editors wrote in the papers, now the results
(Worlwide opinion done under population of allies (all)/ trade partners (Russia)).

Who do like to see as the winner in the US elections? :

Australia: Bush 28%, Kerry 54%
UK: Bush 22%; Kerry 50%
Canada: Bush 20%, Kerry 60%
France: Bush 16%, Kerry 72%
Israel: Bush 50%, Kerry 24%
Japan: Bush 30%, Kerry 51%
Mexico: Bush 20%, Kerry 55%
Russia: Bush 52%, Kerry 48%
South Kor: Bush 18%, Kerry 68%
Spain: Bush 13%, Kerry 58%
Average: Bush 27%, Kerry 54%

In general, for or against Americans (US)?:

Australia: For 72%, Against 21%
UK: For 62%, Against 21%
Canada: For 73%, Against 23%
France: For 72%, Against 24%
Israel: For 81%, Against 24%
Japan: For 74%, Against 17%
Mexico: For 51% , Against 43%
russia: For 86%, Against 13%
S. Korea: For 65%, Against 30%
Spain: For 47%, Against 32%
Average: For 68%, Against 23%

Attack of the US on Iraq, good or wrong?

Australia: Not of application
UK: Not of application
Canada: Good 24%, Wrong 67%
France: Good 18%, Wrong 77%
Israel: Good 68%, Wrong 26%
Japan: Good 16%, Wrong 71%
Mexico: Good 10%, Wrong 83%
Russia: Good 39%, Wrong 54%
S.Korea: Good 11%, Wrong 85%
Spain: Good 13%, Wrong 80%
Average: Good 25%, Wrong 68%

So this international poll about the US foreign policy is devasting for the Bush administration but praises the US as a nation. The White house is specially counterspoken for its Iraq policy. Even the most moyal allie in EU, the UK takes distance of the White House.

Pff a lot of typework.

www.lemonde.fr
www.asahi.com
www.joongangdaily.joins.com
www.guardian.co.uk
www.english.mn.ru/english
www.elpais.es
www.reforma.com
www.cyberpresse.ca
www.smh.com.au
www.haaretzdaily.com

Guess that most Americans will like this poll but most Bush fans and other extremist will hate it because it'll cross their propaganda :)

WHY??? because bush is an imbacile!! so you take us to war, lower taxes for the upper class, kill social security, ban canadian made drugs, want to ban gay marriage which should be a right, as should be abortions. We now have the biggest budget deficeit in the history of the country, when only a couple of years ago we had a 3 trillion dollar surplus. yea, not only that but the country lost 1.5 million JOBS!!! A**H*** go to hell!!!!! SO AS A EUROPEAN I HATE BUSH, NOT AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not defending Bush on this, I'm just going to tell you to get your facts straight.

Canadians didn't make the drugs he was banning. They were re-importing them into the country. It was asked twice in the debates. Bush put up the regulations because he did not want to re-import drugs that were contaminated by deadly chemicals.

I'm sure this is the greatest dollar amount the deficit has ever been, but what people fail to realize is that 1 trillion was the equivalent of 1 billion back in the 30's and 40's due to inflation, during which time we had a deficit of 279 billion.

We have never had a 3 trillion dollar surplus.

I direct you to a quote from a reliable national debt site.

Each year since 1969, Congress has spent more money than its income. The Treasury Department has to borrow money to meet Congress's appropriations. The total borrowed is more than $7,000,000,000,000 and growing. Even when government officials claim to have a surplus, they still spend more than they get in. We pay interest on that huge debt.

Wolfenstein, what do you think about the poll result?
Good and very pro US but when it comes to Bush and Iraq, the world is not so in favour of the support.

BTW, I don't think that Kerry can make a difference in Iraq, you'll still be in the same mess. But perhaps the french will help since they had the same amount of troops ready like the Brits in december before the war but they waited a UN: GO!. I don't think the Germans will go in, but they are allready in Afghanistan.

Wolfenstein what do you think of the poll?

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America ist wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Wenn getanzt wird, will ich führen,
auch wenn ihr euch alleine dreht,
lasst euch ein wenig kontrollieren,
Ich zeige euch wie´s richtig geht.
Wir bilden einen lieben Reigen,
die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen,
Musik kommt aus dem Weißen Haus,
Und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America ist wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Ich kenne Schritte, die sehr nützen,
und werde euch vor Fehltritt schützen,
und wer nicht tanzen will am Schluss,
weiß noch nicht das er Tanzen muss!
Wir bilden einen lieben Reigen,
ich werde Euch die Richtung zeigen,
nach Afrika kommt Santa Claus,
und vor Paris steht Mickey Maus.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
America ist wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, Wonderbra,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

This is not a love song,
this is not a love song.
I don´t sing my mother's tongue,
No, this is not a love song.

Chorus:
We're all living in America,
Amerika ist wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

Wow, Gigatron, again a good Dresden opinion.
I understand the language of Goethe :)



BTW, what is your favorite German Lager (not your favorite beer), I mean the ones "nach Deutsches Reinheitsgebot"!

Wow, Gigatron, again a good Dresden opinion.
I understand the language of Goethe :)



BTW, what is your favorite German Lager (not your favorite beer), I mean the ones "nach Deutsches Reinheitsgebot"!
I don't like beer. I prefer mineral water :P
Btw, the text I copied above are the lyrics of Rammstein's "Amerika". An America-criticizing song, which I like.

Im America werden die Madschen durch die regierung gefickt!
Usw. :P

Guess that most Americans will like this poll but most Bush fans and other extremist will hate it because it'll cross their propaganda :)

With my 1337 politrix powahs i'm able to draw propaganda from this one. Remember: You read this FIRST on the NationStates forums. NOWHERE ELSE!

Its obvious the world wants Kerry because Kerry is good for the world whereas Bush is not. Bush however is better for the USA and thats precisely why the USA will elect Bush on nov 2

I don't like beer. I prefer mineral water :P
Btw, the text I copied above are the lyrics of Rammstein's "Amerika". An America-criticizing song, which I like.

I like "Die Sonne" and "Mutter" from them.
BTW, I know that the biggest millitary airfield in Germany is Ramstein. Is that why they took this name or is it because of the big accident (crash)?

Why are they called Ramstein? Think it has something to do with it, or am I wrong here?

Rammstein is basically a controversial band. They got lots of inspiration from Laibach (who are far more creative and original IMO) but still...

hier staat NL info
http://eurodusnie.nl/2004/04/1107.shtml

:)

PS: I'm not saying they are a 100% ripoff, or that they suck, or aren't original. They're a commercial band though. Now, if you want to understand Rammstein's roots and their 'ideology', you have to understand Laibach. And no, they're not nazi's :)

Its obvious the world wants Kerry because Kerry is good for the world whereas Bush is not. Bush however is better for the USA and thats precisely why the USA will elect Bush on nov 2

I don't know why Bush would be better for the US, but I know that the other guy (withouth any charisma for me, he is not a Bill Clinton) would be a more responsable person in the world and that the US needs allies.

Perhaps those allies only can give a millitary support but the political support will be better for US economy and the respect for that nation like it had before and in the afterdays of 9/11.

I am sure about that. Isolationisme of the US was never good for the US citizen. Specialy now with China comming and a economic giant like the EU that still likes the US citizens but not a extremist government that made 9/11 a religion in towards all values has to fall.

I think that it is in the best interest of the US that it needs good relations with the EU ecomic giant (it will only get bigger, not smaller) and the millitary, non (and) nuclear powers there. China also intends to go pro EU and more anti Bush way government. That is something that the US citizen has to consider.

It is easy to make enemies, but it's hard to get your old friends back once you atacked them (or tright to crush their economies by unfair subsidies like the steel aso.). I think that a new government, weather it is like a real Republican or classic Democrat Gov. will help the US.

The US economy, war in Iraq and the new religion (terrorisme) can only win with strong partners, not with strong (next becoming?) ennemies.
Hell, everybody suported the US in the afterdays of 9/11, where is this worldwide support now? Are all those allies with different government styles wrong or perhaps something might have been changed in one nation: the US?

You meant Kerry? Not a bad analysis if i might say so. I myself am also quite certain about the EU economy, especially for the EU citizen [not necessarily the corporations] but frankly i'm also not an economist and i'm biased.

That wasn't my opinion btw. Its what i forsee as the reaction of some people, to use as if non-USA people somehow want the USA [economy] to be destroyed or something.

It is easy to make enemies, but it's hard to get your old friends back once you atacked them (or tright to crush their economies by unfair subsidies like the steel aso.). I think that a new government, weather it is like a real Republican or classic Democrat Gov. will help the US.

The US economy, war in Iraq and the new religion (terrorisme) can only win with strong partners, not with strong (next becoming?) ennemies.
Hell, everybody suported the US in the afterdays of 9/11, where is this worldwide support now? Are all those allies with different government styles wrong or perhaps something might have been changed in one nation: the US?

Better strong allies then strong enemies. But the US voter will decide and when it goes the wrong way, the Allies will vote in their elections and that can cause a problem when this guy is again "elected".
The problem will be one for the US citizen because those allies will march on and continue to develop with a lot of new friends like the better relation between a new strong economy and millitary giant like China.

When the US gets rid of the problem called Bush, it will be better for themselves, if not it will be more hard for them.
Choice is theirs, the US empire can be over sooner then they know when they make the bad choice.

In fact we all know that China will be the leading nation in 25 years, just look why the oil and steel is so expensive---> China's booming. It will be like :
1) China
2)EU (enlargement untill where?)
3)US

That will be the economy and production, people in the US and the EU will have a chance when they cooperate but the way they are acting now is making it easier for the manufacturer of the world: China

Hmm i'm wondering how China will act politically after it became economically more strong... you see, if the US would not be economically strong it would act differently in poltical sense. But for those who want the US-era to be gone, perhaps Bush is a better choice yes :)

Kerry will probably destroy our economy just as bad

Bush is an "imbacile" huh? Looks like you should go to an American school and learn how to spell. Social security, abortions, and marriage are not rights, as at least half the country believes. So don't blame Bush for things beyond his control (like the will of the American people) and we won't blame you for things beyond yours (such as your school never teaching you the proper spelling of imbicle ).
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