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Kerry is done! :)

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Choice for President

Likely Registered
Voters Voters

Bush 52% 49%
Kerry 44 46
Nader 1 1

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL

FOR RELEASE: Sunday, October 17 at noon

Interviews with 1,013 adult Americans, including 788 likely voters and 942 registered voters, conducted by telephone on October 14-16, 2004

Although Americans think John Kerry did the best job in the debates, that has not translated into an increase in his popularity, which in turn means that he appears to have lost a little ground to Bush. Among registered voters, a 48%-48% tie is now a 49%-46% edge for Bush -- not much of a difference and, with the sampling error, not a significant change. The Gallup likely voter model, which identified those respondents who are most likely to cast a ballot, is magnifying those shifts, with a 49%-48% advantage for Kerry turning into a 52%-44% lead for Bush. What's going on?

For one thing, the charge that Kerry is too liberal, which Bush emphasized mostly in the third and last debate on Wednesday night, seems to be sticking. Nearly half say Kerry's political views are too liberal. (Four in ten say Bush is too conservative.) But didn't Kerry win the debate? Yes, as with the first two debates, the public thinks Kerry did the better job on Wednesday night. But as Al Gore learned in 2000, winning a debate on points does not necessarily translate into votes or make a candidate more popular. As in 2000, Bush's favorable ratings -- Americans view of him as a person -- went up after a debate that he lost. Kerry's favorable rating has remained flat. Republicans seem more enthusiastic about the election, and thus more likely to vote, as reflected in the Gallup likely voter model.

Bush may have energized his base in the final debate at the expense of not appealing to a wider audience -- but he managed to do so in a way that made him more popular than Kerry.

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Likely Voters'
Choice for President

Now Oct. 9-10

Bush 52% 48%
Kerry 44 49
Nader 1 1

Sampling error: +/-4% pts

QUESTION: Now, suppose that the presidential election were being held today, and it included John Kerry and John Edwards as the Democratic candidates, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney as the Republican candidates, and Ralph Nader and Peter Camejo as independent candidates. Would you vote for Kerry and Edwards, the Democrats,Bush and Cheney, the Republicans, or Nader and Camejo, the independent candidates?

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Favorable Ratings

Now Oct. 9-10
Bush 55% 51%
Kerry 52 52

Sampling error: +/-3% pts

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Opinion of George W. Bush

Now Oct. 9-10
Favorable 55% 51%
Unfavorable 44 46
Sampling error: +/-3% pts

QUESTION: Next, we'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. A. George W. Bush B. John Kerry

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Kerry's Political Views

Too liberal 47%
About right 38
Too conservative 9

Sampling error: +/-3% pts

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Bush's Political Views

Too liberal 14%
About right 41
Too conservative 40

Nobody cares about polls. Go vote.

you actually think that poll establishes Bush's victory?

wow, poor you.

Good. I get to be entertained by the crumbling of America for another 4 years. :D

Gallup? Didn't they mess around with the internals (again) to give Bush a lead?


Yup, that gallup.

Still too close to call, I'm afraid.

Still too close to call, I'm afraid.

Agreed.

Perhaps one should vary their evidence.

*checks how many days left till Nov 2nd*

16 days. Yep, that sure looks like a reliable poll to me!

I suppose indeductive proofs are your specialty for election years, eh?

You know why people post polls? A lot of people just want to vote who ever wins...so if you prove that Bush will win (which polls don't do...), then a lot of people will just vote for Bush so they can childishly say they won. In addition to that, a lot of liberals who might think Bush has secured a victory might just not go vote if it's going to waste their time.

Good. I get to be entertained by the crumbling of America for another 4 years. :D

Either way it is still a lose, lose issue. I have been thinking of just leaving the country. lol between these two retards I would preferred to stick with the one we already have.

Get outta' here. We don't give a shit about polls. The only accurate poll is the election.

The only accurate poll is the election.I agreed with your first statement, although I really wouldn't place too much trust in that last one.

I agreed with your first statement, although I really wouldn't place too much trust in that last one.It's more accurate than the other polls. I'll say that.

You know why people post polls? A lot of people just want to vote who ever wins...so if you prove that Bush will win (which polls don't do...), then a lot of people will just vote for Bush so they can childishly say they won. In addition to that, a lot of liberals who might think Bush has secured a victory might just not go vote if it's going to waste their time.
Yup!

Hmmmm, from this poll i can see whos going to win....


RALPH NADER!!!


I mean, think about it. If both sides see that their guy is jsut about tied with the other guy, they're gonna change to who they think will win. And since the only other candidate left is Nader, theyll go to him!

((I was joking, BTW))

Aren't these the same polls that handed Iowa to Dean?

www.electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com)

Analyze the states, not the national numbers. Kerry is doing worse in redneck country, but better in the battlegrounds.

*checks how many days left till Nov 2nd*

16 days. Yep, that sure looks like a reliable poll to me!

I suppose indeductive proofs are your specialty for election years, eh?
Should be noted that Gallup had Bush up by double digits 16 days out from the election in 2000 as well. We all know how accurate that was. Gore might have been slightly behind, but he certainly wasn't more than 10 down with two weeks to go. Gallup has a tendency for these kinds of ridiculous swings.

bump

as a canadian, let me tell you again, polls don't mean fuck-all.

just ask the pollsters who predicted a conservative minority two weeks before our election.

Well, I hope Bush wins, that should Help drive away all inteligent Americans to Europe :D

Come here, friends! :fluffle:

Hey guys!

Did you know that more Democrats show up than Republicans at every election in recent years?

But then how come Republicans win sometimes...?

Because more Democrats vote for the Republican than Republicans who vote for the Democrat.

Bush has nearly 90% of the Republican voters on his side. Kerry has only about 80% of the Democrat voters on his side.

So why is Gallup overpolling Republicans???

Who the fuck knows?

It actually doesn't bother me too much, because the looks on all the confident Republicans' faces when Kerry wins will be priceless.

Munkebrain, here's some other polls you are either have not seen on your rightwing blogs or simply ignored:

ALL THE POLLS (http://www.electoral-vote.com/pastpolls.html)

The conservative media are trying to influence the US people by manipulating the weak minded to go with the winner, or manipulating them to stay home. Don't believe this crap. Vote if you want to, don't stay at home because of a poll because 'it won't make sense anyway'. Vote for who you want to, don't vote on someone else because of a poll because 'bush wins anyway'. Fuck polls.

The conservative media are trying to influence the US people by manipulating the weak minded to go with the winner, or manipulating them to stay home. Don't believe this crap. Vote if you want to, don't stay at home because of a poll. Vote for who you want to, don't vote on someone else because of a poll. Fuck polls.
Conservative media? What was it...90% of financial contributions from the media go to Democrats?

Conservative media? What was it...90% of financial contributions from the media go to Democrats?

There's always Fox News for ya. :D

There's always Fox News for ya. :D
We have Fox, you guys get everyone else. Fair enough I suppose :p

Gallup? Didn't they mess around with the internals (again) to give Bush a lead?


Yup, that gallup.

The same Gallup that overrepresents Republicans and underrepresents Democrats.

We have Fox, you guys get everyone else. Fair enough I suppose :p

You guys own talk radio. Makes up for CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN...:p

We have Fox, you guys get everyone else. Fair enough I suppose :p
Fox gets about the same ratings as all the other combined, so it probably is fair.

Kerry is done! :)

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Choice for President

Likely Registered
Voters Voters

Bush 52% 49%
Kerry 44 46
Nader 1 1

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL

FOR RELEASE: Sunday, October 17 at noon

Interviews with 1,013 adult Americans, including 788 likely voters and 942 registered voters, conducted by telephone on October 14-16, 2004

Although Americans think John Kerry did the best job in the debates, that has not translated into an increase in his popularity, which in turn means that he appears to have lost a little ground to Bush. Among registered voters, a 48%-48% tie is now a 49%-46% edge for Bush -- not much of a difference and, with the sampling error, not a significant change. The Gallup likely voter model, which identified those respondents who are most likely to cast a ballot, is magnifying those shifts, with a 49%-48% advantage for Kerry turning into a 52%-44% lead for Bush. What's going on?

For one thing, the charge that Kerry is too liberal, which Bush emphasized mostly in the third and last debate on Wednesday night, seems to be sticking. Nearly half say Kerry's political views are too liberal. (Four in ten say Bush is too conservative.) But didn't Kerry win the debate? Yes, as with the first two debates, the public thinks Kerry did the better job on Wednesday night. But as Al Gore learned in 2000, winning a debate on points does not necessarily translate into votes or make a candidate more popular. As in 2000, Bush's favorable ratings -- Americans view of him as a person -- went up after a debate that he lost. Kerry's favorable rating has remained flat. Republicans seem more enthusiastic about the election, and thus more likely to vote, as reflected in the Gallup likely voter model.

Bush may have energized his base in the final debate at the expense of not appealing to a wider audience -- but he managed to do so in a way that made him more popular than Kerry.

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Likely Voters'
Choice for President

Now Oct. 9-10

Bush 52% 48%
Kerry 44 49
Nader 1 1

Sampling error: +/-4% pts

QUESTION: Now, suppose that the presidential election were being held today, and it included John Kerry and John Edwards as the Democratic candidates, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney as the Republican candidates, and Ralph Nader and Peter Camejo as independent candidates. Would you vote for Kerry and Edwards, the Democrats,Bush and Cheney, the Republicans, or Nader and Camejo, the independent candidates?

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Favorable Ratings

Now Oct. 9-10
Bush 55% 51%
Kerry 52 52

Sampling error: +/-3% pts

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Opinion of George W. Bush

Now Oct. 9-10
Favorable 55% 51%
Unfavorable 44 46
Sampling error: +/-3% pts

QUESTION: Next, we'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. A. George W. Bush B. John Kerry

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Kerry's Political Views

Too liberal 47%
About right 38
Too conservative 9

Sampling error: +/-3% pts

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 14-16
Bush's Political Views

Too liberal 14%
About right 41
Too conservative 40

Polls dont mean shit. Have a nice day in your ignorant bliss. :D

Oh, and since this is a political thread...

GO KERRY!!!! :cool:

Polls dont mean shit. Have a nice day in your ignorant bliss. :D
Your opinion doesn't mean shit, either. Child. :rolleyes:



Bush owns you, boy.

Polls dont mean shit. Have a nice day in your ignorant bliss. :D

Well, I take polls for what they are.

I account for bias, for uncounted voters, voting trends, etc.

The Gallup poll has begun overpolling Republicans for inexplicable reasons.

And I remind you, Democrats vote more than Republicans. They just don't vote for their candidate as often.

And, take the words: "likely voters" with a grain of salt.

Polls dont mean shit. Have a nice day in your ignorant bliss. :D

Besides that, its also completely illogic and only 1K persons were interviews. Talking about representative :rolleyes:

Kerry has hit his ceiling at around 46%. He hasn't been able to keep a sustained lead over Bush since July. The debates were his last chance and he failed.

Kerry has hit his ceiling at around 46%. He hasn't been able to keep a sustained lead over Bush since July. The debates were his last chance and he failed.
That, and Rove promising some surprises for Kerry, leads me to belive that his done.

That, and Rove promising some surprises for Kerry, leads me to belive that his done.
Like?

Well, I take polls for what they are.

I account for bias, for uncounted voters, voting trends, etc.

The Gallup poll has begun overpolling Republicans for inexplicable reasons.

And I remind you, Democrats vote more than Republicans. They just don't vote for their candidate as often.

And, take the words: "likely voters" with a grain of salt.
"Likely voters" is considered the most accurate, especially this close to an election. Getting a likely voter sample is more expensive than getting a registered voter sample.

Republicans are more likely to vote than Democrats.

High turnout benefits Democrats.

Democrats should worry because anger at Bush is not likely to deliver a victory. In the 1996 campaign, Republicans hated Clinton and many people thought that there was no way Clinton would win a second term, but hate for Clinton wasn't very motivating and Clinton won with a comfortable margin.

Like?
Like he said, it's a surprise. ;)

Should be noted that Gallup had Bush up by double digits 16 days out from the election in 2000 as well. We all know how accurate that was. Gore might have been slightly behind, but he certainly wasn't more than 10 down with two weeks to go. Gallup has a tendency for these kinds of ridiculous swings.
Political analysis have stated (and exit polls confirmed) that if it wasn't for the DUI revelation the weekend before the election, Bush would have won the election comfortably and we never would have heard about hanging chads.

The conservative media are trying to influence the US people by manipulating the weak minded to go with the winner, or manipulating them to stay home. Don't believe this crap. Vote if you want to, don't stay at home because of a poll because 'it won't make sense anyway'. Vote for who you want to, don't vote on someone else because of a poll because 'bush wins anyway'. Fuck polls.
The only conservative media is talk radio and possibly Fox News. Almost 90% of journalists identify themselves as "liberal".

Political analysis have stated (and exit polls confirmed) that if it wasn't for the DUI revelation the weekend before the election, Bush would have won the election comfortably and we never would have heard about hanging chads.
That Damn Ultra-rightwing Fox News almost cost Bush the Election. :p

"Likely voters" is considered the most accurate, especially this close to an election. Getting a likely voter sample is more expensive than getting a registered voter sample.

How do you determine who is "likely" to vote? Each poll makes up their own little formula. Some of them are more suspect than others.

Republicans are more likely to vote than Democrats.

This surprisingly is actually incorrect. Democrats have shown around 5% more than Republicans at most recent national elections. However, Democrat crossover is higher than Republican crossover, so it balances out.

Be sure to check this out!

Coolness!!!!! (http://www.clubforgrowth.net/video/zucker.wmv)

Here's a run down of the polls!!!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

This surprisingly is actually incorrect. Democrats have shown around 5% more than Republicans at most recent national elections. However, Democrat crossover is higher than Republican crossover, so it balances out.
That dosen't mean that Democrats are more likely to vote than Republicans (that statistic, anyway). There are more registered Democrats than Republicans, for every year since the New Deal except for one, I think, meaning that naturally more Democrats would show up to the polls than Republicans in sheer numbers if the difference of the percent of those who vote per party wasn't too high. To put it like this : If there are 50 Democrats and 40 Republicans, the Republicans can have 39 people show up and the Democrats 41, the Dems will have more people at the polls but a Democrat would be less likely to vote than Republican.

Here's a run down of the polls!!!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

National polls...

I'm more interested in Ohio and Florida polls.

Here's a run down of the polls!!!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html
Bush +4.0 Average.

Maybe the Kerry voters should not even waste their time., or THey could all jump on the winning ticket. :D

Bush +4.0 Average.

Maybe the Kerry voters should not even waste their time., or THey could all jump on the winning ticket. :D
Margins of errors are?

Bush +4.0 Average.

Maybe the Kerry voters should not even waste their time., or THey could all jump on the winning ticket. :D

I'm gonna show you something, that is very telling about the current state of American polling.

Polls right before the 2000 election (http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/polls-2000.html)

Out of 15 polls, only 2 predicted a Gore popular win.

They were CBS and Zogby, the two companies conservatives love to hate.

In case you forgot, Gore won by 0.5%, even though one poll predicted a 6% loss.

Oh, and those are all "likely voter" results.

I'm gonna show you something, that is very telling about the current state of American polling.

Polls right before the 2000 election (http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/polls-2000.html)

Out of 15 polls, only 2 predicted a Gore popular win.

They were CBS and Zogby, the two companies conservatives love to hate.

In case you forgot, Gore won by 0.5%, even though one poll predicted a 6% loss.

Oh, and those are all "likely voter" results.

If gore won then why isn't he President?

Should be noted that Gallup had Bush up by double digits 16 days out from the election in 2000 as well. We all know how accurate that was. Gore might have been slightly behind, but he certainly wasn't more than 10 down with two weeks to go. Gallup has a tendency for these kinds of ridiculous swings.

He WAS up in double digits 16 days from the election in 2000...don't you remember how everyone suddenly found out 4 days before the election that he was arrested for drunk driving?

If gore won then why isn't he President?

It's called the electoral college.

Margins of errors are?
All over the map, this is an average of numerous polls. Just save yourself the trouble and vote Bush.

Ok you are talking about the popular vote which at this time doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

I have always and will always say we need to do away with the electoral process.

The actual precentage was .51

All over the map, this is an average of numerous polls. Just save yourself the trouble and vote Bush.

So the robot is telling us to be robots?

What if I don't want to be assimilated? :(

Well, I take polls for what they are.

I account for bias, for uncounted voters, voting trends, etc.

The Gallup poll has begun overpolling Republicans for inexplicable reasons.

And I remind you, Democrats vote more than Republicans. They just don't vote for their candidate as often.

And, take the words: "likely voters" with a grain of salt.
The reasons aren't inexplicable. The owner of Gallup--third generation I believe--is a hardcore Republican and evangelical. I find it unlikely, but not impossible, to believe that he'd tell his people to fudge the likely voter model to help his cause.

Funny thing about it is that when Moveon called Gallup out about their likely voter model in an ad in the NY Times, Gallup changed models, used one that came closer to historical trends, and Kerry had a one point lead. Apparently,t hey're back to their old tricks.

I'll show you politics in America; here it is, right here: I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs! I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking! Hey wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets! Shut up! Go back to bed America, your government is in control...here's Love Connection; watch this and get fat and stupid!"
- Bill Hicks

He WAS up in double digits 16 days from the election in 2000...don't you remember how everyone suddenly found out 4 days before the election that he was arrested for drunk driving?He was only up double digits in the Gallup poll. Everyone else had it close.

I don't understand why Americans would vote for somebody who has created so much ill will to their nation. 2 1/2 years after the outpouring of sympathy and unity for the USA, their country is now perceived as an evil arrogant and aggressive nation.

Americans should wake up and realize they are part of the world. The world does not revolve around them! "America doesn't need a permission slip to defend itself" is an offensive remark to other nations in the world. If Americans want to feel safer then don't vote for someone who takes pride in branding nations, peoples and religions as evil!

Bush should lose and he deserves to lose! He has made the world worst during his tenure! From restrictive traveling arrangements, to ever increasing government infringement on civil rights, Bush is the most serious threat to civilization yet!

I guarantee that is Bush cheats his way to a 2nd term expect another nation to be targeted by a war. The world will be in a de facto World War 3 with Bush leading USA.

AMERICA WAKE UP! BOOT BUSH OUT AND REGAINED THE RESPECT AND TRUST OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD AGAIN!

I have always and will always say we need to do away with the electoral process.


And what? Base it on popular vote alone?

Yes.

The electoral process is outdated and unjust. If you win the vote of a state you get all that states electoral votes. Whoever voted for the other candidate doesn't get a voice.

I say the electoral votes give certain states too much power to turn an election in the wrong way. We either need to go to popular vote or give each state equal votes. Best way I see it is each state should only get 1 vote. Why give California 55 votes and Alaska 3 votes.

In essence the electoral vote doesn't work.

Check this out about the vote.

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm

Best way I see it is each state should only get 1 vote. Why give California 55 votes and Alaska 3 votes.


That would be because California has more than 34 million people and Alaska has 648 thousand. Though I do agree that the electoral college is a bit flawed. Letting states split up their electoral votes would be a good idea.

That would be because California has more than 34 million people and Alaska has 648 thousand. Though I do agree that the electoral college is a bit flawed. Letting states split up their electoral votes would be a good idea.
The states can do that. Maine already does, and Colorado is talking about it right now, theoretically in time to affect this election. Most of them don't, but that's not stopping any of them from doing it.

OK, Bush is leading. wich is normal since we saw what the Republicans did with the voter regitration and we all know the fraud of last election.

Think twice because Bush is not the solution for the problem but seen as the problem by most people in the world (that includes the US):


Originally Posted by Wolfenstein Castle
It seems to me that all the Europeans on this site are so damn Anti-Western. I mean GOD its not like people over here think about hating Europe all the time.

And in response to another thread. We really are not governed by "Radical Christianity." I really don't see any laws over hear that are any different than the one imposed in Europe.

Mayber you guys just don't like us because of our metric system



Ok that is just a opinion but if you're a bit informed, you must be aware poll held in 10 nations done by the international poll/study bureau ICM..Next top quality papers cooperated in the study/poll and I'll post a small conclusion of them:


Le Monde (Fr):" George Bush has a terrible score in each category, their is just one groop of French that supports him all the way: the voters of the Front National" --> that is the French fascist/neo nazi party, anti jew, anti muslim aso..

Asahi Shimbun (Japan): " The Japanese opinion about the US is compicated because of the history between both countries and because of what many see as both faces of the US."

Joongang Ilbo (S.Korea): "Last years, the perception of a lot of South Koreans on the US changed drasticly. The US aren't seen as a leader any more for the reunification but as a obstacle between both Korea's."

The Guardian (UK): "Nevertheless the work of Tony Blair, a new kind of anti-americanisme is the new tone in the UK".

Moskovskie Novosti (Russia): "Just after Beslan, a lot of Russians have more sypathie for the US because terrorists act everywhere.But now, a bit later, the Russian citizen is getting back to a more non emotional view."

El Pais (Spain): "Seldom has a US government been so isolated as this one, after the situation it created in Iraq."

Reforma (Mexico): " Why did the Mexicans turned their back to Bush? Not because of our bilateral relations wich are good till very good, but because of the invasion in Iraq and the war on terror that is a new religion of the Bush gov."

La Presse (Canada): " It is striking that the US reputation as a example of democracy fell down such like: 59% of the Quebebecois sees the US not anymore as a model. But besides occasional vague forms of anti US-nationalisme, the Canadians are aware of what they ow the US: a part of their prosperity and the defence of the continent."

The Sydney Herald (Australia): "The US president is still the leader of the free world but the free world is less likely to accept him."

Ha'aretz (Israel): "Israel loves the US because it opens the umbrella that protect us from our enemies."


This what editors wrote in the papers, now the results
(Worlwide opinion done under population of allies (all)/ trade partners (Russia)).

Who do like to see as the winner in the US elections? :

Australia: Bush 28%, Kerry 54%
UK: Bush 22%; Kerry 50%
Canada: Bush 20%, Kerry 60%
France: Bush 16%, Kerry 72%
Israel: Bush 50%, Kerry 24%
Japan: Bush 30%, Kerry 51%
Mexico: Bush 20%, Kerry 55%
Russia: Bush 52%, Kerry 48%
South Kor: Bush 18%, Kerry 68%
Spain: Bush 13%, Kerry 58%
Average: Bush 27%, Kerry 54%

In general, for or against Americans (US)?:

Australia: For 72%, Against 21%
UK: For 62%, Against 21%
Canada: For 73%, Against 23%
France: For 72%, Against 24%
Israel: For 81%, Against 24%
Japan: For 74%, Against 17%
Mexico: For 51% , Against 43%
russia: For 86%, Against 13%
S. Korea: For 65%, Against 30%
Spain: For 47%, Against 32%
Average: For 68%, Against 23%

Attack of the US on Iraq, good or wrong?

Australia: Not of application
UK: Not of application
Canada: Good 24%, Wrong 67%
France: Good 18%, Wrong 77%
Israel: Good 68%, Wrong 26%
Japan: Good 16%, Wrong 71%
Mexico: Good 10%, Wrong 83%
Russia: Good 39%, Wrong 54%
S.Korea: Good 11%, Wrong 85%
Spain: Good 13%, Wrong 80%
Average: Good 25%, Wrong 68%

So this international poll about the US foreign policy is devasting for the Bush administration but praises the US as a nation. The White house is specially counterspoken for its Iraq policy. Even the most moyal allie in EU, the UK takes distance of the White House.

Pff a lot of typework.

www.lemonde.fr
www.asahi.com
www.joongangdaily.joins.com
www.guardian.co.uk
www.english.mn.ru/english
www.elpais.es
www.reforma.com
www.cyberpresse.ca
www.smh.com.au
www.haaretzdaily.com

Who do like to see as the winner in the US elections? :

Australia: Bush 28%, Kerry 54%
UK: Bush 22%; Kerry 50%
Canada: Bush 20%, Kerry 60%
France: Bush 16%, Kerry 72%
Israel: Bush 50%, Kerry 24%
Japan: Bush 30%, Kerry 51%
Mexico: Bush 20%, Kerry 55%
Russia: Bush 52%, Kerry 48%
South Kor: Bush 18%, Kerry 68%
Spain: Bush 13%, Kerry 58%
Average: Bush 27%, Kerry 54%

So I guess it is not Kommunists for Kerry?

More like Bolsheviks for Bush? :eek:

Kerry is done! :)


Uhh... you do realize that's statistically a tie, right? They don't just throw the margin for error on there because they like extra numbers.

Spain: For 47%, Against 32%

All that work and this is all I'm taking out of it......muhahahha.

Anyway, I like this stat the most-of all the nations listed, I dig Spain's apathy. 21% seem just not to care one way or another about America. Beautiful. Go Spain.

[QUOTE=Cannot think of a name]All that work and this is all I'm taking out of it......muhahahha.

QUOTE]

Well that is just your opinion, these are facts, muhahahaha :rolleyes:

Don't see a anti americanisme in those countries but a critic on the regime.

OK, Bush is leading. wich is normal since we saw what the Republicans did with the voter regitration and we all know the fraud of last election.


My goodness. Do you honestly believe the Democrats are innocent of such an act?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/2/183158.shtml
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1233627/posts
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15082
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65437,00.html

The only conservative media is talk radio and possibly Fox News. Almost 90% of journalists identify themselves as "liberal".

Its fine w/me that they call themselves as "liberal" i certainly don't see them that way. Mainstream journalism is, in general, not very open minded to new sources and ways of journaling. That includes CNN. Partly the reason why blogging exists, methinks.

My goodness. Do you honestly believe the Democrats are innocent of such an act?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/2/183158.shtml
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1233627/posts
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15082
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65437,00.html

No, don't go to your links but I know that their will be perhaps a retalition for this fraude. After all this is the US, not a decent voter system. It is more like a third world one compared with modern nations.

I'll show you politics in America; here it is, right here: I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs! I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking! Hey wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets! Shut up! Go back to bed America, your government is in control...here's Love Connection; watch this and get fat and stupid!"
- Bill Hicks

Legendary... :)
Btw watch Usenet he's posted there every now and then!

All that work and this is all I'm taking out of it......muhahahha.



Well that is just your opinion, these are facts, muhahahaha :rolleyes:

Don't see a anti americanisme in those countries but a critic on the regime.
Dude, I wasn't refuting what you said. I was fascinated by Spain's apathy, that's all-just because you're quoted doesn't mean someone's disagreeing with you. Lighten up and rif.

Dude, I wasn't refuting what you said. I was fascinated by Spain's apathy, that's all-just because you're quoted doesn't mean someone's disagreeing with you. Lighten up and rif.

OK, I am sorry when you got it wrong. I just found this article and it clearly says that their is no anti americanisme in those states, partners, allies. OK?

No, don't go to your links but I know that their will be perhaps a retalition for this fraude. After all this is the US, not a decent voter system. It is more like a third world one compared with modern nations.

In het Engels noemen ze dat 'fraud'. Kijk, jij en ik als buitenstaanders staan er wat verder van af en zien hoe 't is gegaan. Overduidelijk is er een smerig machtspelletje gespeeld. De gemiddelde Amerikaan -met name de republikein- zal dat (voorlopig) ontkennen. Een gemiddelde Amerikaan is namelijk trots op z'n democratische land. Je moet het dus iets anders brengen, bijv met een bron. En dan het liefst niet een 'linkse' bron ;)

In het Engels noemen ze dat 'fraud'. Kijk, jij en ik als buitenstaanders staan er wat verder van af en zien hoe 't is gegaan. Overduidelijk is er een smerig machtspelletje gespeeld. De gemiddelde Amerikaan -met name de republikein- zal dat (voorlopig) ontkennen. Een gemiddelde Amerikaan is namelijk trots op z'n democratische land. Je moet het dus iets anders brengen, bijv met een bron. En dan het liefst niet een 'linkse' bron ;)

Hey, dat stond gewoon op het Web en staat in de weekend krant van De Morgen, Volkskrant en de Standaard. All de genoemde kranten (Ha Aretz en Le Monde bv.) zijn moeilijk "links" te noemen hé?

OK, I am sorry when you got it wrong. I just found this article and it clearly says that their is no anti americanisme in those states, partners, allies. OK?
Sweet christ, dude-I AGREE WITH YOU-I NEVER SAID THERE WASN'T-I was just amused by the apathy I read into (Mostly for humor's sake) the stat on SPAIN. Mother of God, even if I was trying to disagree with you the stat STILL SHOWED more support for the US than not. WHAT THE HELL!!! RIF RIF RIF RIF.

Lighten up. Damn.

The states can do that. Maine already does, and Colorado is talking about it right now, theoretically in time to affect this election. Most of them don't, but that's not stopping any of them from doing it.

You need to check out the link I supplied you with for the electoral votes. You will see no state splits the Electoral votes up.

Hey, dat stond gewoon op het Web en staat in de weekend krant van De Morgen, Volkskrant en de Standaard. All de genoemde kranten (Ha Aretz en Le Monde bv.) zijn moeilijk "links" te noemen hé?

Laatste weet ik niet, maargoed, in Amerika is hier gewoonweg geen consensus over. Dat zal ook niet gebeuren, hoe goed we ook ons best doen, tenzij we het eigenlijke probleem aanpassen nl. dat een Amerikaan op de een of andere manier heilig gelooft in de democratische waarde van z'n land en de polarisering van "dems" versus "reps".

Er zijn ook films over uitgekomen (bijv "Unprecendented: The 2000 presidential election") maar dan krijg je ook meteen weer modder op de organisatie die erachter zit.

PS: nog wakker of al al wakker?

OK, Bush is leading. wich is normal since we saw what the Republicans did with the voter regitration and we all know the fraud of last election.

Think twice because Bush is not the solution for the problem but seen as the problem by most people in the world (that includes the US):





Ok that is just a opinion but if you're a bit informed, you must be aware poll held in 10 nations done by the international poll/study bureau ICM..Next top quality papers cooperated in the study/poll and I'll post a small conclusion of them:


Le Monde (Fr):" George Bush has a terrible score in each category, their is just one groop of French that supports him all the way: the voters of the Front National" --> that is the French fascist/neo nazi party, anti jew, anti muslim aso..

Asahi Shimbun (Japan): " The Japanese opinion about the US is compicated because of the history between both countries and because of what many see as both faces of the US."

Joongang Ilbo (S.Korea): "Last years, the perception of a lot of South Koreans on the US changed drasticly. The US aren't seen as a leader any more for the reunification but as a obstacle between both Korea's."

The Guardian (UK): "Nevertheless the work of Tony Blair, a new kind of anti-americanisme is the new tone in the UK".

Moskovskie Novosti (Russia): "Just after Beslan, a lot of Russians have more sypathie for the US because terrorists act everywhere.But now, a bit later, the Russian citizen is getting back to a more non emotional view."

El Pais (Spain): "Seldom has a US government been so isolated as this one, after the situation it created in Iraq."

Reforma (Mexico): " Why did the Mexicans turned their back to Bush? Not because of our bilateral relations wich are good till very good, but because of the invasion in Iraq and the war on terror that is a new religion of the Bush gov."

La Presse (Canada): " It is striking that the US reputation as a example of democracy fell down such like: 59% of the Quebebecois sees the US not anymore as a model. But besides occasional vague forms of anti US-nationalisme, the Canadians are aware of what they ow the US: a part of their prosperity and the defence of the continent."

The Sydney Herald (Australia): "The US president is still the leader of the free world but the free world is less likely to accept him."

Ha'aretz (Israel): "Israel loves the US because it opens the umbrella that protect us from our enemies."


This what editors wrote in the papers, now the results
(Worlwide opinion done under population of allies (all)/ trade partners (Russia)).

Who do like to see as the winner in the US elections? :

Australia: Bush 28%, Kerry 54%
UK: Bush 22%; Kerry 50%
Canada: Bush 20%, Kerry 60%
France: Bush 16%, Kerry 72%
Israel: Bush 50%, Kerry 24%
Japan: Bush 30%, Kerry 51%
Mexico: Bush 20%, Kerry 55%
Russia: Bush 52%, Kerry 48%
South Kor: Bush 18%, Kerry 68%
Spain: Bush 13%, Kerry 58%
Average: Bush 27%, Kerry 54%

In general, for or against Americans (US)?:

Australia: For 72%, Against 21%
UK: For 62%, Against 21%
Canada: For 73%, Against 23%
France: For 72%, Against 24%
Israel: For 81%, Against 24%
Japan: For 74%, Against 17%
Mexico: For 51% , Against 43%
russia: For 86%, Against 13%
S. Korea: For 65%, Against 30%
Spain: For 47%, Against 32%
Average: For 68%, Against 23%

Attack of the US on Iraq, good or wrong?

Australia: Not of application
UK: Not of application
Canada: Good 24%, Wrong 67%
France: Good 18%, Wrong 77%
Israel: Good 68%, Wrong 26%
Japan: Good 16%, Wrong 71%
Mexico: Good 10%, Wrong 83%
Russia: Good 39%, Wrong 54%
S.Korea: Good 11%, Wrong 85%
Spain: Good 13%, Wrong 80%
Average: Good 25%, Wrong 68%

So this international poll about the US foreign policy is devasting for the Bush administration but praises the US as a nation. The White house is specially counterspoken for its Iraq policy. Even the most moyal allie in EU, the UK takes distance of the White House.

Pff a lot of typework.

www.lemonde.fr
www.asahi.com
www.joongangdaily.joins.com
www.guardian.co.uk
www.english.mn.ru/english
www.elpais.es
www.reforma.com
www.cyberpresse.ca
www.smh.com.au
www.haaretzdaily.com

Well guess we should be glad those countries don't vote in the election!!!!!

You need to check out the link I supplied you with for the electoral votes. You will see no state splits the Electoral votes up.
Actually, Maine and Nebraska do allow for splitting the EVs.

Actually, Maine and Nebraska do allow for splitting the EVs.

Ok try reading there and show me where they split the vote!!!!!

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm

Actually, Maine and Nebraska do allow for splitting the EVs.And Colorado is thinking about it--there's a bill making its way through their state legislature right now that will do it, assuming it passes and is signed. In practice, it rarely happens. There's only one EV in Maine that would conceivably go to the Republicans in a normal cycle, and Nebraska is pretty solid Republican.

Ok try reading there and show me where they split the vote!!!!!

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
Panhandlia said allow for. Doesn't mean that it happens often or ever--just that it is possible for it to happen. Don't get your panties in a knot over it.

And Colorado is thinking about it--there's a bill making its way through their state legislature right now that will do it, assuming it passes and is signed. In practice, it rarely happens. There's only one EV in Maine that would conceivably go to the Republicans in a normal cycle, and Nebraska is pretty solid Republican.
And, Colorado's measure seems destined to fail in the ballot box.

And, Colorado's measure seems destined to fail in the ballot box.
I hadn't been keeping up. Thanks for the update.

I hadn't been keeping up. Thanks for the update.
Don't mention it. You would have done the same for me.

Well guess we should be glad those countries don't vote in the election!!!!!

Hah! i knew it (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7272221&postcount=88) :)