NationStates Jolt Archive


Yankee behavior

Least well known NSer
17-10-2004, 14:17
If you want to talk about Nazi-like behavior, consider the actions of the leading Union commander, General Ulysses S. Grant, whose war crimes included the following actions:

Ordering the expulsion on 24 hours notice of all Jews "as a class" from the territory under his control (General Order # 11, 17 December, 1862), and forbidding Jews to travel on trains (November, 1862);
Ordering the destruction of an entire agricultural area to deny the enemy support (the Shenandoah Valley, 5 August, 1864).
Leading the mass murder, a virtual genocide, of Native People, mainly helpless old men, women, and children in their villages, to make land available for the western railroads (the eradication of the Plains Indians, 1865–66). What we euphemistically call "the Indian Wars" was carried out by many of the same Union officers who led the war against the South – Sherman, Grant, Sheridan, Custer, and other leading commanders.
Overseeing the complete destruction of defenseless Southern cities, and conducting such warfare against unarmed women and children (e.g., the razing of Meridien, and other cities in Mississippi, spring, 1863).
Contrast these well-documented atrocities (and many others too numerous to list) with the gentlemanly policies and behavior of the Confederate forces. My ancestor Major Raphael Moses, General James Longstreet’s chief commissary officer, was forbidden by General Robert E. Lee from even entering private homes in their raids into the North, such as the famous incursion into Pennsylvania. Moses was forced to obtain his supplies from businesses and farms, and he always paid for what he requisitioned, albeit in Confederate tender.

Moses always endured in good humor the harsh verbal abuse he received from the local women, who, he noted, always insisted on receiving in the end the exact amount owed.

Moses and his Confederate colleagues never engaged in the type of warfare waged by the Union forces, especially that of General William T. Sherman on his infamous "March to the Sea" through Georgia and the Carolinas, in which his troops routinely burned, looted, and destroyed libraries, courthouses, churches, homes, and cities full of defenseless civilians, including my hometown of Atlanta.

It was not the South but rather our enemies that engaged in genocide. While our ancestors may have lost the War, they never lost their honor, or engaged in anything that could justify their being compared to Nazi’s. It was the other side that did that.




http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/regenstein6.html
Jeruselem
17-10-2004, 14:25
I see nothing has changed! (RE: Iraq)
New Astrolia
17-10-2004, 14:27
Yep pleadin yanks.

If we we're all in Civil war times It would be hard not to want to side with the south. Excluding of course the whole slavery thing.

The north were fucking war criminals. The south were just hicks.
Superpower07
17-10-2004, 14:42
What's wrong with the Yankees? They're only one game away from clinching the ALCS!
Mr Basil Fawlty
17-10-2004, 14:46
I have read many complaints like this on the internet. Most of them are posted on websights that are devoted to the "The old South". Unfortunately, some of these are plainly racist. The ones that are not racist are devoted to a highly romanticized picture of what the Antebellum South and the Confederacy was. Both the Racist and the Romantic sites share one thing in common; they both think the social structure and politics of the Antebelleum South and the Confederacy represent what should have been the true course of American Democracy. Both are full of what can only be called "Revisionist" views of the history of the Civil War and it's causes and outcome. In this revised history, Lincoln is an evil dictator who oppressed his own people, destroyed the real Constitution, and forced the true patriots of Dixie into war. Grant and Sherman are lawless beasts who gleefully pillaged and raped the white marble mansions of Twelve Oaks and Tara and who should have been hung. On these sites, ranks of white Southerners and black slaves stand side by side. One gallantly fighting for his freedom from the evil, invading Yankees and the other to keep himself in perpetual bondage. Anyone who has studied the subject with balance can see what is wrong with this pretty picture.
Superpower07
17-10-2004, 14:51
Going back to Basil - I agree.

All sides commit atrocities in war, you can't just blame one side; take WWII for example (Although I still hate Nazism the most)

Axis
Germany - the Holocaust, their brutal occupations of France, Poland, etc
Japan - brutal occupation of Korea, etc

Allies
The fire-boming of Dresden
USSR - sacrificing so many of their own men
USA - Japanese interment camps (i'm unwilling to say use of the a-bombs because there's the issue of a land invasion killing many more people)
Bushrepublican liars
17-10-2004, 15:18
Civil War...

The ultimate oxymoron...
Mr Basil Fawlty
17-10-2004, 15:27
"What's so civil about war anyway?"

-Axl Rose