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Just figured we'd cover all the bases here...

Is this unavoidable hormonal reaction a lifestyle choice?

My money's on "no".

Just figured we'd cover all the bases here...

Is this unavoidable hormonal reaction a lifestyle choice?

My money's on "no".

There're ways around it.. most involving surgery. :(

I wish I could have said no.

Apparently the lead singer from the boy band Hanson had surgery so his voice didn't break. I don't know if this classifies as avoiding puberty though.

Nah, you'll go through puberty some way or another.. even if only partially.. castration's one thing, but you can't remove the hypothalmus, I don't think, without killing the patient. :p

I personally think puberty should just be a one day thing. Just call sick, lock yourself in the room, and hide all mirrors. Then walk out fine, and grown up :p.

I personally think puberty should just be a one day thing. Just call sick, lock yourself in the room, and hide all mirrors. Then walk out fine, and grown up :p.

I think that might fix everything that's wrong with the world :)

Unlike homosexuality, no amount of self-hypnosis, psychological scarring, or mental discipline will cause or avert puberty. You would need full hormonal treatments and possibly anatomical corrections.

Of course it's a choice and it's a sin I tell you because this book I have hear says it is and they (the pubetees) will all be eaten by Cluthu for choosing to go through it and be so morally decadent. Therefore, we must ban all marriage between post-pubescents and effectively legalize discrimination.

Now how stupid does that sound....

Yes destroy the filthy pubertarians before they ruin our society with their evil pubecent agenda THEY PLAN TO MAKE US ALL SPOTY AND UNPLESANT TO TALK TO!!!1

I cant help but think that if we removed all legislation on how much unhealthy junk you can put in food then we would remove puberty from the world because all the kids eating at mcdonalds would have theyr growth stunted even more to the point of never getting past the physical age of 12

and remember if english was good enough for jesus it should be good enough for the french

Unlike homosexuality, no amount of self-hypnosis, psychological scarring, or mental discipline will cause or avert puberty. You would need full hormonal treatments and possibly anatomical corrections.

Actually...considering that the brain sends out the info to the rest of the body to change, it might theoretically be possible to somehow inhibit the brain from emitting the proper chemicals, thus avoiding puberty...but then again, that's a) very shaky logic, and b) probably not very feasible. Surgery would be a lot more practical.

One could also look to the female gymnasts. Because of their intense training, their bodies put off puberty until the girl in question gets injured or sick. If said girl was killed before retiring at the grand old age of 20, and had never had an injury to miss a day of training, then that girl would never have gone through puberty, but she'd be dead. Not much of a point to it.

Unlike homosexuality, no amount of self-hypnosis, psychological scarring, or mental discipline will cause or avert puberty. You would need full hormonal treatments and possibly anatomical corrections.

You can't "fix" homosexuality, you can only repress and deny it.

Unlike homosexuality, no amount of self-hypnosis, psychological scarring, or mental discipline will cause or avert puberty. You would need full hormonal treatments and possibly anatomical corrections.

Absolutely, enough humiliation and, as you say, psychological scarring could perfectly well make you deny that you had ever gone through puberty. You still would have, though.

I mean, were you ever in junior high? :D

There are drugs you could take to...reverse the process

It's already been proven that hormonal changes cause puberty.

Just figured we'd cover all the bases here...

Is this unavoidable hormonal reaction a lifestyle choice?

My money's on "no".
Hahaha. I actually know someone who has chosen puberty as a lifestyle. I never imagined they were so wide-spread as to inspire a poll on a public forum.

The fact that you're actually debating this is entertaining. Puberty always comes unless you unnaturally interfere with the process. And according to the APA homosexuality is a perfectly natural psychological state. Biologically speaking it's also considered natural so it's not really an item that can be debated.

Holy crap...

so lets see.
Unidentifiable mystery surgery
extreme gymnastics combined with a premature death
proposed psychological damage to an extreme that would damage the body...

All this effort to avoid the inevitable biological process of growing up. I realize I was different as a kid, but can you really all be that short-sighted that you can't see puberty is a temporary thing? That all you know, and that you think you know right now won't add up to anything remotely important in 5 years? You have parents, neighbors, elder siblings, cousins, school mates... PLENTY of examples you can see of people who survived puberty Unscathed. Plenty, as in EVERYONE (aside from those really moronic individuals who couldn't cope with being 14, and killed themselves).

Christ. Like Beauty, Puberty fades. Stupid is forever.

Physically, without outside intervention? No.

Mentally: I can name 3 dozen or so kids at my school off the top of my head whose mental age has never progressed past 9.

Just like your sexual orientation, puberty is a choice.

[/sarcasm]

Physically no.

Mentally, maybe. I've been able to control my sexual hungers for quite some time =/

Dude, puberty is so not a choice

I think id hate to go through all the mental anguish I suffered as a 15 year old. No, wait, I am, again.

Ah well, at least I can grow facial hair now!

Dude, puberty is so not a choice

It is too. I definitely chose when to start my period. Definitely.

Oh wait, if that were true, I would reverse it and stop having them now. =)

I personally think puberty should just be a one day thing. Just call sick, lock yourself in the room, and hide all mirrors. Then walk out fine, and grown up :p.
You mean that's not how it was supposed to happen?

Puberty isn't a choice, but the "I'm going through puberty" stereotype is, just takes a lot of self-control

You can take drugs to speed it up, but they have unpleasant side effects.

Physically no.

Mentally, maybe. I've been able to control my sexual hungers for quite some time =/

funny, i've been unable to control my sexual hungers for quite some time :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Whoa, wait- Y'all think I was serious about this? :P

For everyone who still doesn't get it (fewer than it seems, I hope), this is a friendly jab at the "Is homosexuality a choice?" question. I regard them both as (as I said) unavoidable hormonal reactions.

You can't "fix" homosexuality, you can only repress and deny it.
Oh, so if a person makes the choice to no longer be a homosexual they simply repressing it?
No, I dont think so.
I think the women my wife works for knows very her sexual persuasion now, and three years ago.
SHe decided to no longer be Homosexual.
Personally I know her.
I would never argue it is wrong to be homosexual, but who have sex with is a choice. Not anything else.

Oh, so if a person makes the choice to no longer be a homosexual they simply repressing it?
No, I dont think so.
I think the women my wife works for knows very her sexual persuasion now, and three years ago.
SHe decided to no longer be Homosexual.
Personally I know her.
I would never argue it is wrong to be homosexual, but who have sex with is a choice. Not anything else.

Who to have sex with is a choice, just like whether to shave. Who to be attracted to isn't, just like growing pubic hair :D

In that case, I would assert that that woman was in fact bisexual, and decided she preferred the company of men to that of women.

aren't there some pills that some gymnasts take to keep them from hitting puberty?

also, i think there are some genetic conditions that prevent that mostly... but that's not a choice thing.

Oh, so if a person makes the choice to no longer be a homosexual they simply repressing it?
No, I dont think so.
I think the women my wife works for knows very her sexual persuasion now, and three years ago.
SHe decided to no longer be Homosexual.
Personally I know her.
I would never argue it is wrong to be homosexual, but who have sex with is a choice. Not anything else.

sexuality isn't about actions, it's about attraction.

this is what many homophobes and those who think they can force a person to change their sexuality don't understand. usually such therapies only work to make those who are already bisexual choose to only have sex with those of the opposite sex and those who are truly homosexual tend to end up celibate or fantasize about sex with the same sex while they live a sham of a sexual existence.

Who to have sex with is a choice, just like whether to shave. Who to be attracted to isn't, just like growing pubic hair :D

In that case, I would assert that that woman was in fact bisexual, and decided she preferred the company of men to that of women.
She was gay, now she is not.
It is a matter of preference, not biological imperative.
You ever have sex with someone you didnt find attractive?
I have.
I bet you can find a lot of women who have.
Sexual preference can not be wrong(unless you prefer children).
It is however merely a preference.

sexuality isn't about actions, it's about attraction.

this is what many homophobes and those who think they can force a person to change their sexuality don't understand. usually such therapies only work to make those who are already bisexual choose to only have sex with those of the opposite sex and those who are truly homosexual tend to end up celibate or fantasize about sex with the same sex while they live a sham of a sexual existence.
Why are people so frighteend to admit sex is a choice, a matter of taste, like drinking wine or eating new foods.
You are not born any one way.
I think it is more homophobic to believe that you are secure in your sexuality because of genetics then because you choose to be.
You can LEARN to enjoy the orgasm given to you by someone of the same sex, just like you LEARN to enjoy the Orgasm given to you by someone of the opposite sex.
There is no "GAY" gene.
It is a choice.
Just like being straight is a choice.

In some extend, no, because you cannot control your hormones. In some other extend, yes, because you can limit hormones effects (via medicines) and/or chose to (try to) not act on these :)

Why are people so frighteend to admit sex is a choice, a matter of taste, like drinking wine or eating new foods.
You are not born any one way.
I think it is more homophobic to believe that you are secure in your sexuality because of genetics then because you choose to be.

i never said it was entirely genetic. there is strong evidence that genetics are a factor though.

and why don't you admit that sexuality is not about what a person does, but who they're attracted to. have you ever seen someone make out with a person of the same sex for attention? they're not gay, chances are they're not bi either, they're just doing it for attention/cash, whatever the case is.

It is a choice.
Just like being straight is a choice.

so when were you attracted to members of both sexes and then chose to only be attracted to members of the opposite sex.

were you ever attracted to members of the same sex? how is it a choice if you're only ever inclined one way.

personally, i've been attracted to members of both sexes as long as i can remember. though much more attracted to men than to women. i've only ever dated men though. however, it's not entirely attraction that keeps me from dating women... there's also the whole not knowing how the hell to pick up a girl factor.


oh, and also the way some forcibly closeted gay people learn to orgasm from the opposite sex is through fantasy about the same sex.

It is a choice.
Just like being straight is a choice.

hahahahaha, do you know how many women have admitted to fancy me? About as mnay as guys admit to it per week. Take away the ones in jest and Id still have a love life thingy if i was gay... but yet... here I am. Single and alone because I dont fancy men. Simple.

Saying you chose what gender you like is as ridiculous as saying that you chose who you find attractive! Cos again I wouldnt constantly fall for the same girls as everyone else. Who are all taken. No, cos then we would be able to find ugly people attractive.

*laughs hysterically*

i never said it was entirely genetic. there is strong evidence that genetics are a factor though.

and why don't you admit that sexuality is not about what a person does, but who they're attracted to. have you ever seen someone make out with a person of the same sex for attention? they're not gay, chances are they're not bi either, they're just doing it for attention/cash, whatever the case is.
Choice.

so when were you attracted to members of both sexes and then chose to only be attracted to members of the opposite sex.
Nice, actually the reality of that would be when where not attracted to either sex in a sexual way and then decided to be attracted to a specific sex.
I believe I was about 9.

were you ever attracted to members of the same sex? how is it a choice if you're only ever inclined one way.
I have been attracted to men all my Life.
I however choose to only have sex with women.

personally, i've been attracted to members of both sexes as long as i can remember. though much more attracted to men than to women. i've only ever dated men though. however, it's not entirely attraction that keeps me from dating women... there's also the whole not knowing how the hell to pick up a girl factor. So it is your inexperiance with woemn that keeps you from them, you choose to stick with what you know.


oh, and also the way some forcibly closeted gay people learn to orgasm from the opposite sex is through fantasy about the same sex.
So you are saying that a mouth or tender hand on the "wrong" sex wouldnt feel good?
Fear is what makes people believe there is bioogical imperative.
We choose our Sexual preference and we can change our minds.
You are not "SAFE" in your straightness.

Nice, actually the reality of that would be when where not attracted to either sex in a sexual way and then decided to be attracted to a specific sex.
I believe I was about 9.

oh, well very few people are sexually attracted from a young age, but there are still the simplistic fantasies...

I have been attracted to men all my Life.
I however choose to only have sex with women.
So it is your inexperiance with woemn that keeps you from them, you choose to stick with what you know.

again, sexuality is not about action. it's not about who you fuck. it's about who you are attracted to. you, my friend would be bisexual if you are attracted to both sexes. you just don't act on the attraction to the same sex.

So you are saying that a mouth or tender hand on the "wrong" sex wouldnt feel good?

no, i'm saying that hormones, attraction, emotions play a large role in how turned on you are. i.e. say i'm with my bf, who i love so very much, but i've had a bad day. i'm very attracted to him and he knows how to do things very well, but i'm not going to have an orgasm with him if i'm in a bad mood or have something on my mind. if just one thing's off, then an orgasm isn't really going to happen.

and many gay people who are in heterosexual relationships do fantasize about members of the same sex. find one of those places that conditions gay people into being no longer gay... find their "success" stories.. find the people who realised later how much it fucked them up.
find people who have tried to live sham marriages...

We choose our Sexual preference and we can change our minds.
You are "SAFE" in your straightness.

prefrence isn't the same as sexual orientation...

sexual orientation is who we are attracted to. i seem to have a prefrence for brunette men... at times i'm attracted to blondes, but that doesn't mean that i'm sexually oriented more towards brunettes... it means that i have a prefrence for brunettes.

Whoa, wait- Y'all think I was serious about this? :P

For everyone who still doesn't get it (fewer than it seems, I hope), this is a friendly jab at the "Is homosexuality a choice?" question. I regard them both as (as I said) unavoidable hormonal reactions.

Yeah. I got it. Notice my jokingly, somewhat sarcastic posts that only a moron would believe that I was serious.

prefrence isn't the same as sexual orientation...

sexual orientation is who we are attracted to. i seem to have a prefrence for brunette men... at times i'm attracted to blondes, but that doesn't mean that i'm sexually oriented more towards brunettes... it means that i have a prefrence for brunettes.
Symantics.
I agree to disagree with you.

yes.

for those religeous few amonst us. "homosexual perverts" may infact be gay people going against their nature. IMHO the bible even says that you shouldnt repress whatever sexualist you are. straight, gay, bi, because going against your nature is perversion.

Surely modern medicine is advanced enough to prevent the onset of puberty. Therefore the decision not to take advantage of this is a lifestyle choice, and the answer to your question can only be yes.

Just like the decision not to obey the rules of gravity and to make pineapple cakes upside-down.