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My two cents on everything.

Haloman
17-10-2004, 01:37
This is my first post on the forums, although I have been lurking for awhile, and signed up in early september. First of all, let me say that I'm christian, and from the great state of Missouri- I know what everyone is thinking-"OMFG right-wing republican!". Stereotyping sucks. It's wrong. Yes, I'm republican, and, yes, I support the incumbent. I'm going to give my two cents on a few controversial issues that our country faces today, the election, war in Iraq, abortion, gay rights, etc.

As I said, I am a Bush supporter, and a pretty big one. I wouldn't exactly consider myself a conservative, but my views are somewhat similar to his. I'm actually suprised that this election is as close as it is- In my opinion, Bush is the only clear cut choice on the ballot. I don't like Kerry at all, in fact. You never know what you'll get with Kerry. He tells the American people that he will not raise taxes- But yet voted to raise taxes while in the senate a total of 98 times. The thing is, you DON'T know what Kerry will do as president, and you can only look at his senate record of a glimpse of what actions he would take...He'll be indesicive in war, wrong in economics and healthcare. The democrat's counter to this is to look at Bush's record. So? The man had to make some of the hardest decisions ever made by a president. We're living in dangerous times, and it takes a tough leader to succeed, and Bush is that leader. I look at Bush, and I see a regular guy. I see a guy who has my best interests at heart, has my neighbor's interest at heart, and has your interest at heart. I see a good guy, with good intentions, who slips up once in a while...and everyone forgets that it's just human nature to make mistakes (unless you make those mistakes 98 times).

Now, to the war. Is it immoral? Should we be in Iraq? Yes and no. No one, not a single person, can deny that it is NOT a good thing that Saddam Hussein is out of power. As well, no one can say that bringing democracy, brining freedom, to Iraq is a bad thing. Should it necesarily be up to America to bring that freedom to other countries? Yes and no. We shouldn't force it on countries if they don't want it, and clearly, Iraq wanted it, and needed it. Kerry supporters will say that the reason we went into Iraq was WMD's, which aren't there. Just because we haven't found them yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Hell, you're searching a whole country, remember. Them things could be anywhere. I mean, it takes me forever and a day to find my damn keys. And if the aren't there, still, Hussein no doubt had the intention and had the ability. Besides this fact, the freak murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people. He needed to be taken out, pure and simple. Oh, and if you say we went into Iraq for oil...prove it. Show me irrefutable proof that George Bush went into Iraq for the oil.

I'm going to move on and tackle abortion for you now. As you might have guessed, I'm indeed pro life. Life does begin at conception, and aborting a fetus is like murder, and is immoral. This should be a no-brainer. Pro- Choicer's main rebuttal is that women should have the choice of whether or not they should have a baby...and I agree. But, don't you think they should make that choice before they go and open their legs? It's very irresponsible to wake up the night after you got drunk and say "Oops, I had a few beers last night, didn't use protection, but I don't want the baby". There's so many forms of birth control out there...couldn't they have used it? An effective solution, I think, would be to lower the cost of birth control, and make it more available to women. Abortion should be made illegal in most cases, and legal only in extreme ones. For example, if delivering a baby could harm the mother, if a woman was raped, incest, etc.

Gay rights is where I seem to draw a blank...I don't have too much on this one. Allowing gay marriage goes against my religion, but then again, this is America, and we have freedom of religion. I believe we should give gays their rights...what's the harm in it? They deserve rights just like everyone else. But, marriage was intended for the union of a man and woman, and I think it shouls stay that way. Why not create an equal civil union for homosexuals?

I want to talk about religion, a highly controversial topic. I believe that religion is very, very personal, and everyone has their own right to choose whatever religion they want. This is why I don't push my religion on anyone, or necesarily try to "convert" people. I believe in god, I believe that Christ died for my sins. If you can't live with it, oh well, it's what I believe. And if you don't think the same thing, oh well. And I don't consider myself above anyone else that doesn't agree with me, or that isn't christian. I sin just like anyone, christian or not. Lastly, religion shouldn't be mixed with politics, they just don't agree mix, like beer and liqour.

These are my thoughts, please, do not judge me by them. I'm open to intelligent discussion about all of these topics.
United White Front
17-10-2004, 01:46
what about spongebob?
do you like him?
Haloman
17-10-2004, 01:50
If he's voting for Bush. :)
CSW
17-10-2004, 02:22
And Kerry voted to cut taxes some 200 times, and Cheney voted to raise them over 600 times.
Marxlan
17-10-2004, 02:27
Okay, so the gist is, "I'm a christian from... whatever state you said, and just about everything you might assume about me is right, except that I don't oppose gay rights and I don't think religion has a place in politics."
No offense intended, but prejudice could have given us all the bits about Bush and Iraq. See?! Prejudice isn't such a bad thing, because in this case it's mostly right.
United White Front
17-10-2004, 03:24
If he's voting for Bush. :)
well idid dose that help
J0eg0d
17-10-2004, 03:27
Saddam Hussein is out of power but our troops are still over there gaurding the oil fields. Get those troops out of there, their job is done.
Penguinista
17-10-2004, 03:28
Saddam Hussein is out of power but our troops are still over there gaurding the oil fields. Get those troops out of there, their job is done.


What are you on btw that makes you think all our troops are doing is guarding oil fields? Are there oil fields in Fallujah?
J0eg0d
17-10-2004, 03:33
What are you on btw that makes you think all our troops are doing is guarding oil fields? Are there oil fields in Fallujah?

The whole war was about oil. More directly, the pipeline that leads from the Caspian Sea to international waters.
Penguinista
17-10-2004, 03:36
The whole war was about oil. More directly, the pipeline that leads from the Caspian Sea to international waters.



Ummm... ok...

What do you base that on, since no pipeline like that exists yet and the Russians actually want to build it along the North Caucasus into the Black sea, for obvious reasons (Shorter, cheaper)?

And if the pipeline was the issue, why didn't the Russians jump right in, as they would be the first to profit?
Kwangistar
17-10-2004, 03:39
The whole war was about oil. More directly, the pipeline that leads from the Caspian Sea to international waters.
http://www.good-hotels-guide.com/middle-east/middle-east.gif

Maybe some geography problems? Iraq dosen't even border the Caspian sea. Since Iran would never cooperate with us, there is no conceivable advantage to invading Iraq with regards to building or managing a Caspian sea pipeline.
Penguinista
17-10-2004, 03:41
http://www.good-hotels-guide.com/middle-east/middle-east.gif

Maybe some geography problems? Iraq dosen't even border the Caspian sea. Since Iran would never cooperate with us, there is no conceivable advantage to invading Iraq with regards to building or managing a Caspian sea pipeline.


sssssh! I wanted him to figure that out on his own! He'll never learn if you just give him the answers! Jeez....
Dozastaria
17-10-2004, 03:42
Bush himself said there were no WMD thursday before last. And immediately changed the justification for the war.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20041007-1451-us-iraq-weapons.html

Granted, Saddam's an asshole, but lets consider the fact that he's not the biggest asshole out there, and he didn't have WMD. Kim from North Korea has 4-6 nukes for sure, and lets also consider the fact that the file footage shown on TV of North Korea shows them carting around ICBMs, and considering North Korea's location vs Iraq, they could pose a real threat. Afganistan was a needed fight, we were attacked by members of the Taliban which controlled that country, there was no doubt to it. We attacked Iraq, which has no links to Al-Quaeda. The only linke is a shared Q and A in the name. So, now, our wonderful "liberated" Iraq is a haven for Islamic fundamentalists: jump the border, kill some troops, die for Allah, get your Seventy-some virgins when you're done. Invading Iraq hasn't made us safer, it's only given more fuel to the fundamentalists' agenda and made those holding Defense Sector stocks richer.
Tomzilla
17-10-2004, 03:43
Just because we haven't found them yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. Hell, you're searching a whole country, remember. Them things could be anywhere. I mean, it takes me forever and a day to find my damn keys. And if the aren't there, still, Hussein no doubt had the intention and had the ability. Besides this fact, the freak murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people. He needed to be taken out, pure and simple. Oh, and if you say we went into Iraq for oil...prove it. Show me irrefutable proof that George Bush went into Iraq for the oil.


Good point on the WMD. Not many people know that the Japanese made a prototype A-Bomb just a couple days before they surrendered. Any country could be hiding WMD right now and people wouldn't know about for years.
CSW
17-10-2004, 03:59
Good point on the WMD. Not many people know that the Japanese made a prototype A-Bomb just a couple days before they surrendered. Any country could be hiding WMD right now and people wouldn't know about for years.
Source?
Tomzilla
17-10-2004, 04:12
Source?

Various essays on the topic.
United White Front
17-10-2004, 04:14
Various essays on the topic.
any links???
CSW
17-10-2004, 04:15
Various essays on the topic.
Like?
Kwangistar
17-10-2004, 04:15
Like?
I'm sure MKUltra has it filed away somewhere in a cabinet :p
Ashmoria
17-10-2004, 04:16
oh darlin'
dont be thinking you can skip all the debate by getting it over with in one easy thread
you have to slog through thread after thread on the same issues at least a dozen times before it "sticks"
now get out there and POST
Tomzilla
17-10-2004, 04:22
any links???

Here's one link except that it doesn't talk about the prototype, only the capability.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/japan/nuke/
Tomzilla
17-10-2004, 04:25
here's another link that near the end talks about a nuclear blast test in North Korea on August 10, 1945.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/01_14_02/Japan_Have_A-Bomb/japan_have_a-bomb.html
Incongruency
17-10-2004, 04:27
I look at Bush, and I see a regular guy.

Yes, absolutely. If, by "regular guy," you mean a coke-snorting rich kid who has never had to face up to the consequences of his actions, nor whom could not possibly care less about the fortunes of working people in the U.S.
Andelar
17-10-2004, 04:32
What's wrong with people? The military never found any WMDs. I can't believe that they expected to find some in the first place. The idea of scanning an entire country for a few bombs is ridiculous. You are never going to find it. People who say that this is proof that there never were any WMDs are ignorant. If Saddam has the capability to build a nuclear weapon (which only requires the purchase of U-235 and high school-level knowledge), then surely he has the capability to hire a couple of trucks and maybe 3-4 guys to smuggle them into a nearby sympathetic area. Hiding a nuke would be about as hard as hiding a refridgerator.
CSW
17-10-2004, 04:34
here's another link that near the end talks about a nuclear blast test in North Korea on August 10, 1945.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/01_14_02/Japan_Have_A-Bomb/japan_have_a-bomb.html
Japan have a-bomb?