NationStates Jolt Archive


Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers

Tuesday Heights
16-10-2004, 23:42
MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence.

In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna (news - web sites) and statues of the saints.

The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted — from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains — by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings.

The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted.

In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests.

The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest.

"There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets."

Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius.

Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones.

Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries.

But the tide is turning.

Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them — as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made.

Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies.

Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world.

They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet.

Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal.

In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain.

McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed.

Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most.

In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said.

In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago.

"Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off."

For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked.

Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza.

At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on.

The other Monterrey churches with the devices — The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels — are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said.

"For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said.

Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance.

"Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music."

Source: Yahoo News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20041016/ap_on_hi_te/cell_phone_jammers)

Just the headline alone makes me laugh to no end... cell phone jammers in churches? What's next? Locking patrons in so that they can't leave in the middle of a service? Seriously - what is this would coming to?
United White Front
16-10-2004, 23:45
it is anoying when cells goin services

but whats next binkies that automaticly drop from the ceiling when a baby cries
Alinania
16-10-2004, 23:49
so what? church really isn't the place where your cell phone should ring anyways. it's a holy place, after all.
(...oh i just love my catholic education...but i can't help it. my mom did a good job teaching me all that...church stuff. eh. oh well.)
Superpower07
17-10-2004, 00:00
*gasp* Churches having cellphone jammers?!

Soon they'll be developing N-Jammers to screw up our nuclear power plants - noo!!!
Tuesday Heights
17-10-2004, 00:00
it is anoying when cells goin services

but whats next binkies that automaticly drop from the ceiling when a baby cries

lol! :D Can we get that in restaurants, too?
Incertonia
17-10-2004, 00:23
Sweet.
Marxlan
17-10-2004, 00:49
I didn't realize this was so widely used. I'd read they were installing jammers in theatres in France, but it seems pretty widespread... at least those considering it.
Purly Euclid
17-10-2004, 01:08
I see no problem with these being used in buildings. It isn't polite for a cell phone to go off during church, or in class, or in the middle of a meeting. I'm just said to see that it isn't enough to ask people to simply turn off their phones.
Tuesday Heights
17-10-2004, 01:16
I see no problem with these being used in buildings. It isn't polite for a cell phone to go off during church, or in class, or in the middle of a meeting. I'm just said to see that it isn't enough to ask people to simply turn off their phones.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree.

My father is , and I leave my cell phone on [b]ALL THE TIME, in case something happens, and I need to get to his side. I don't care if it's rude, disruptive, or anyone thinks I'm an asshole for doing so, but if my mom calls me to tell me my dad's in the hospital on his deathbed, you better freaking bet I'm answering the call, disrupting whatever, and getting to his side.
Purly Euclid
17-10-2004, 01:22
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree.

My father is , and I leave my cell phone on [b]ALL THE TIME, in case something happens, and I need to get to his side. I don't care if it's rude, disruptive, or anyone thinks I'm an asshole for doing so, but if my mom calls me to tell me my dad's in the hospital on his deathbed, you better freaking bet I'm answering the call, disrupting whatever, and getting to his side.
You know, once upon a time, cell phones didn't exist. Now they do, and they are quite disruptive. 99.99% of all calls are not urgent, anyhow. If most of them aren't, how can an institution justify having people in them being constantly annoyed by unimportant calls?
However, if he is really dying, I'm sure it is no problem to leave it on vibrate. Just turn it off when he feels good.
Heiliger
17-10-2004, 01:39
Man where can MY church get those????
Boscorrosive
17-10-2004, 01:41
This is a prime indicator that these churches have waaay too much money.
Chodolo
17-10-2004, 01:44
I do not go to church, so this does not directly concern me yet, however, I am very sure this will get ruled illegal once someone brings up a lawsuit.

This is tantamount to stealing...you pay for your cell phone service, and some other force blocks that service.

Anyways, I find it hilarious that churches are dropping $2000 on these.

Pass the collection bowl around again... ;)
Tuesday Heights
17-10-2004, 01:50
However, if he is really dying, I'm sure it is no problem to leave it on vibrate. Just turn it off when he feels good.

He is really dying, thank-you very much. The implication otherwise is insulting.

Anyways, I understand cell phones didn't always exist - but the point of this conversation is that they do exist now.

I do leave my phone on vibrate, I hardly ever have the ringer on anyway, unless I'm at home and have it charged in. There's other ways to be less disruptive with cell phones, but the stupid population of this planet doesn't want to employ them, now do they?
Letila
17-10-2004, 01:54
*gasp* Churches having cellphone jammers?!

Soon they'll be developing N-Jammers to screw up our nuclear power plants - noo!!!

My thoughts exactly.
Slap Happy Lunatics
17-10-2004, 05:10
He is really dying, thank-you very much. The implication otherwise is insulting.

Anyways, I understand cell phones didn't always exist - but the point of this conversation is that they do exist now.

I do leave my phone on vibrate, I hardly ever have the ringer on anyway, unless I'm at home and have it charged in. There's other ways to be less disruptive with cell phones, but the stupid population of this planet doesn't want to employ them, now do they?
First, I'm sorry about your dad. That is a tough states of affairs.

Second, It would seem that if these jammers are used it should be conspiciously posted so that anyone entering into that zone is informed beforehand and can make a choice.
Sploddygloop
17-10-2004, 15:06
Surely there are several answers to this.

Firstly, post notices explaining that phones will not work in that paricular area. That'll cover most eventualitles.

Secondly, start the service with a request that phone be switched off. Considering that most religions work by threatening the opprobrium of God or your neighbours you'd expect that to work, wouldn't you.

Thirdly, try passive systems - which Qinetiq in the UK have developed - wallpaper with tuned foil strips in it which disrupt radio communications. This would need no licensing, and cunningly can be tuned to only exclude certain bands, allowing emergency services' radios to still work.