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As the title indicates. I do not. And, this will be one of a few polls, Ill put in the links later. A few things to sate my curiosity on peoples opinions.

Edit: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365951

It develops subconciously up to age six, then it's wired in. By the time you understand, it's too late to do anything about it.

No... people don't choose their orientation. If we could I'd be bi instead of straight, and I'm sure my tortured gay friend would choose otherwise too.

No. It's a sickness.

No. It's a sickness.

Sickness, eh? Is it better or worse than a Jesus infection?

'Not close to you, thank god,' indeed.

Yes, in OPINION.
It is worse than the Jesus infection. Religion gives us morals and tell us how to be good people.

That can't happen with homosexuality.

Yes, in fact.
It is worse than the Jesus infection. Religion gives us morals and tell us how to be good people..
thats an opinion

Oh excuse me all to hell. I'll change it right now.

My personal opinion is that some people choose to be gay and some people are either genetically inclined toward homosexuality or were somehow influenced to be gay at a very young age.

So, my answer is that it varies from person to person.

I suspect your poll may offer too few options. Most of the gays I have known didn't elect to be gay, but some few ( particularly lesbians, although I have no idea why ) seem to have chosen to adopt a gay lifestyle.

No. It's a sickness.
Sexual oriantation is a sickness??? :confused:

Sexual oriantation is a sickness??? :confused:

Yes but beleiving in a bipolar universe of good and evil created by a supernatural being which one can talk to by clasping one's hands together really really hard is not a mental disorder. :rolleyes:

well because of some bad choices in men my sister has now choosen to be gay, so at least some choose. so i would have to answer

I don't know & it doesn't matter

Yes but beleiving in a bipolar universe of good and evil created by a supernatural being which one can talk to by clasping one's hands together really really hard is not a mental disorder. :rolleyes:

I would salute you if I had hands!
That has to be one of the best, most classic things I have ever seen...

And, for those of you who think the choices are too limited, or those who know, how can I edit options?

I don't think you can edit poll options once entered.

Sexual oriantation is a sickness??? :confused:

Yes an occasionally fatal one. :rolleyes: Symptoms include, in order of preponderance, inability to interact socially with jackasses, immuno-suppresion of the agent that causes straight men to react violently to wine, pronounced speech impediment, and, most rarely, getting tied to a fence post and beaten to death.

well because of some bad choices in men my sister has now choosen to be gay, so at least some choose. so i would have to answer

I don't know & it doesn't matter

Clarification: Sexual orientation isnt just straight or gay. It could also be bi. So, I dont mean does one have the ability to choose to be gay or straight. A bi person could say they dont like guys anymore, and still stay within their hypothetical sexual orientation.

Yes an occasionally fatal one. :rolleyes: Symptoms include, in order of preponderance, inability to interact socially with jackasses, immuno-suppresion of the agent that causes straight men to react violently to wine, pronounced speech impediment, and, most rarely, getting tied to a fence post and beaten to death.

Dude thats just horrible...And sick...

Though I did laugh pretty hard.

You sick bastard...lol

Clarification: Sexual orientation isnt just straight or gay. It could also be bi. So, I dont mean does one have the ability to choose to be gay or straight. A bi person could say they dont like guys anymore, and still stay within their hypothetical sexual orientation.

hypotheticaly speaking you are correct, but having spent time talking with my sister, she did choose to change her orientation.

well because of some bad choices in men my sister has now choosen to be gay, so at least some choose. so i would have to answer

I don't know & it doesn't matter

It doesn't work that way. Subconsiously people who don't want relationships will chase after people who they know that they cannot make it work with long term. Gay women who haven't come to terms with it yet will often go out with quiet submissive men so that they don't have to have much sex and can eventually get out of the relationship by complaining "he's not assertive enough." This is not unique to gay people by any means. Straight men who aren't any good at ending relationships will subconciously choose women with whom they will get into lots of fights so that one of them can be the fake reason for the break up.

Of course there is a certain percentage of women who pretend to be gay at frat parties, but I'm not sure that counts.

uhh she chose the sex of people she's having intimate relations with as opposed to the desire that motivates it, which is what sexual orientation is. Me thinks your sister is bisexual.

It doesn't work that way. Subconsiously people who don't want relationships will chase after people who they know that they cannot make it work with long term. Gay women who haven't come to terms with it yet will often go out with quiet submissive men so that they don't have to have much sex and can eventually get out of the relationship by complaining "he's not assertive enough." This is not unique to gay people by any means. Straight men who aren't any good at ending relationships will subconciously choose women with whom they will get into lots of fights so that one of them can be the fake reason for the break up.

Of course there is a certain percentage of women who pretend to be gay at frat parties, but I'm not sure that counts.

so you have talked to my sister and know what she has felt?

I don't think so, just realize that some choose.

and again it doesn't matter

Yes, because I would choose to be gay should I go be beaten to death, my shoes taken away, and tied to a fence to die just like Matthew Shepard.

Yes, because I would choose to be gay should I go be beaten to death, my shoes taken away, and tied to a fence to die just like Matthew Shepard.

That "people wouldn't choose to be persecuted" argument never gets old. So if you were facing torture for your beliefs, you'd just change them to avoid it? You can't take any beliefs you hold very seriously then.

I've mentioned the Holocaust as a perfect example before. If you believe in something, really believe in it, persecution won't stop you.

I've felt the way I do (bi) since I was a tiny girlie of about five or six--I can't remember back before then, obviously, so I can't tell if it was any earlier.

It simply never made sense to me that we should not be allowed to like whomever we wanted. Shoulda seen how confused I got when we weren't allowed to give valentines to our same gender in school anymore.

So I will say that it's not a choice.

I could never choose to be gay.

I was born straight.

At least in my case, i KNOW that sexual orientation is NOT a choice.

I would think this is also the case for all gay or straight people, though bisexuals may choose one gender over another, their bisexuality is not a choice.

As the title indicates. I do not. And, this will be one of a few polls, Ill put in the links later. A few things to sate my curiosity on peoples opinions.

Edit: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365951

I didn't vote, because I really don't know.

what about all boys/all girls schools, though? there's a lot of 'sexual confusion' going on there, and most of the people involved turn out to be heterosexual in the end.

I voted no, but the issue is deeper.

Time reported on a study, sometime in the late 80's, that has researchers flipping a neurological or neurochemical 'switch' in lab rats that changed their orientation. Then sending them back. Based on that, and the gay folks I have known over the years, I would have to say that usually sexual orientation is predetermined. However, some people do choose, for various reasons, to live as homosexuals. And as heterosexuals as well.

Its a cholice, don't believe the Homosexul propaganda.

That "people wouldn't choose to be persecuted" argument never gets old. So if you were facing torture for your beliefs, you'd just change them to avoid it? You can't take any beliefs you hold very seriously then.

I've mentioned the Holocaust as a perfect example before. If you believe in something, really believe in it, persecution won't stop you.

Um, huge numbers of Jews converted during the holocaust. It didn't do them any good. As far as the Nazi's were concerned no amount of holy water could wash away the Jew. They didn't consider Judaism a religion but a race.

Its a cholice, don't believe the Homosexul propaganda.

That's right, believe the Fundamentalist Christian propoganda. Otherwise you go to hell. Failing to believe Homosexual propoganda only means that you miss out on a well co-ordinated wardrobe and Australian red wine.

That's right, believe the Fundamentalist Christian propoganda. Otherwise you go to hell. Failing to believe Homosexual propoganda only means that you miss out on a well co-ordinated wardrobe and Australian red wine.

Actually I believe the Bible.

I think, like so much in this world, the truth is a happy medium.

I think that there are genetic factors that make it easier or harder to choose one's orientation.

Sheesh!
How about "sometimes"?

Actually I believe the Bible.

Bible, Fundamentalist Christian propaganda...same thing.


Really though, the Bible...eh...I'm sorry, but it's really poorly written. I mean, I KNOW there could've been better stuff to bullshit about. Look at viking religious mythology. That stuff is AWESOME.


But the Bible? Meh. Boooooooring. If I wanna read something stupid and untrue, I want it to excite me and give me the bang for my buck I deserve!

Bible, Fundamentalist Christian propaganda...same thing.


Really though, the Bible...eh...I'm sorry, but it's really poorly written. I mean, I KNOW there could've been better stuff to bullshit about. Look at viking religious mythology. That stuff is AWESOME.


But the Bible? Meh. Boooooooring. If I wanna read something stupid and untrue, I want it to excite me and give me the bang for my buck I deserve!

I like how Odin had himself impaled to a tree with a spear for a week to gain ultimate wisdom.

It's certainly a more interesting read, isn't it?

Not that the bible is without it's excitement too.

"I like this God fellow. Very theatrical. A plague here, a pestilence there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that." -Stewie Griffin

I like how Odin had himself impaled to a tree with a spear for a week to gain ultimate wisdom.

It's certainly a more interesting read, isn't it?

Not that the bible is without it's excitement too.

"I like this God fellow. Very theatrical. A plague here, a pestilence there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that." -Stewie Griffin

Eh, but it's not phantasmagorical enough for me. Not at all. In fact, it's rather boring and mundane. Way, way too mundane.

At least for the Norse there was ALWAYS something exciting going on. Plus their heaven is SO much more awesome. Women take you to a place where you fight all day, and drink all night? Man, that beats just worshiping Yahweh anyday. Yahweh doesn't have women come and get you. Nooooo, you've gotta fly all the way up on your own.

I personaly think that it is an individuals choice, but it is a choice that is not made consiously. I think that someones heart decides, and WHO THE HELL AM I OR YOU to make that choice of the self, for someone else?

I would be more than happy to back off when they finally say "Ok its not genetics, its not brain matter, its choice. I choose to be gay." The day they say that I will shut up.

I would be more than happy to back off when they finally say "Ok its not genetics, its not brain matter, its choice. I choose to be gay." The day they say that I will shut up.

So the only way for you to be happy is to be lied to?

Well, you ARE a christian...

**plays a rimshot**

So the only way for you to be happy is to be lied to?

Well, you ARE a christian...

**plays a rimshot**

And your lead to the Homosexual Propaganda like horse led to water. You probably have a Micheal Moore poster over your bed too.

Yes, in OPINION.
It is worse than the Jesus infection. Religion gives us morals and tell us how to be good people.

Depends which morals you follow. Do you stone children for disrespect to their parents? Do you wear clothes with mixed fabrics? You certainly don't respect your neighbour like Jesus commanded you to.

That can't happen with homosexuality.

Then it is neutral, as it doesn't encourage people to be either good or evil by itself.

I think it is a choice, but if they come up with scientific evidence that it's genetic, then I'll believe it. So, until then... *shrugs*

Even if it is a choice, Isn't it always someone elses choice?

Some cultures encourage homosexuality, i.e. ancient Greek. Some aboriginal cultures (if you want the reference, I have the article somewhere here on my desk) believe that a warrior shoud not be subjected to the weakening influence of females. They practise homosexual oral sex as an "antidote" so to say to the breastfeeding the infant male has undergone. There are widely reported instances of situational homosexuality among otherwise "straight" men on ships, in military organizations and jails. So I'd say that there is definitely a cultural component. There is also a gene that seems to correlate strongly with orientation towards the same sex among men. It could apparently survive because it also had the evolutionary benefit of making female carriers more fertile.

Apart from that I'd like to add that noone, not even the church with its moral mission, has the right to impose its beliefs upon people. Religious persons should teach others by living an exemplary life, not by pestering them. And also I think it inappropriate to call someone "sick" because he enjoys consensual sex with an adult partner of the same sex. Homosexuality meets no medical definition of "sickness". You are apparently either unaware of that, or you are simply using the term synonymously for "wrong, disgusting", meaning that you are deliberately trying to insult, which would make your remark not worth commenting upon.

No. It's a sickness.

I agree.

I agree.

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I think that people who judge others based on sexual orientation that, even if it is a choice, harms no one, are psychologically ill.

I.e, being a bigoted fool is a sickness.

The difference here being, you don't see me going around preaching how being an arsehole is causing the downfall of civilization...

I think it's not a choice. Hormones are insanely strong things, and an imbalance in one or more could easily explain being attracted to the same gender, or to both. ('Imbalance' being 'differently balanced', since otherwise it sounds negative when it is, in fact, neutral). I personally think that everyone is bi-sexual, but environmental pressures (over-population, need for resources, negative associations etc) cause people to choose which gender to pursue. The ATTRACTION to both genders is still present, but individuals only act on the attraction to one or the other (or both).

The best thing about threads like this is it makes it easier who I choose to put on ignore.

And your lead to the Homosexual Propaganda like horse led to water. You probably have a Micheal Moore poster over your bed too.

Out of curiousity, what IS the "homosexual propaganda?" For starters, it shouldn't be capitilized. Secondly, really, what is it? 2:00 gain exceptance, 3:00 start converting the world and force them to become gay, 5:00 finish conversion and engineer the fall of western civilization, 6:00 early dinner. Is that what the "homosexual propaganda" is geared towards?


Oh, and I have problems with Moore twisting the facts. Though I do find it funny that "I support homosexuals" now equals "Moore loving idiot LOLOLOL!"


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