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But it appears that the exact opposite was the actual effect. Our invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation seems to have allowed Iraq's entire nuclear capacity to be stolen and sold on the black market(or something it actual fate seems unknown). How could we have not secured the only actually valuable facilities toward making WMDs in all of Iraq. This doesn't make any sense. Now it seems likely that either terrorist have the material for a dirty bomb, or Iran simply took most of Iraq's capacity and added it to its own or both(this is my own conclusion, not in the article).


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/14/iraq.nuclear.reut/index.html

well thats pretty scary

id say we must have been busy guarding the oil ministry but that doesnt seem to have worked out either

Funny, I thought there weren't any there.

Well time to start working on that bomb shelter. Thanks alot George W. Bush.

Funny, I thought there weren't any there.
none actually built but the nuclear capicity that was under iaea seal was still there until after the war, now appearantly its all disappeared, right down to the actually buildings.

a terrorist cell could never develope a nuclear wepon (ok, maybe a dirty bomb) without state support and the war scared the hell out of any that might have supported them, just look at lybia

Funny, I thought there weren't any there.
The United States and Britain said they invaded to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. Both countries now admit toppled ruler Saddam Hussein had no such weapons.

They said the removal of the dual-use equipment -- which before the war was tagged and closely monitored by the IAEA to ensure it was not being used in a weapons program -- was planned and executed by people who knew what they were doing.
There weren't. rif.

a terrorist cell could never develope a nuclear wepon (ok, maybe a dirty bomb) without state support and the war scared the hell out of any that might have supported them, just look at lybia
well if you can steal most of the components(after all the technology is 50 years old.) with the fissionable material(i don't think iraq had any weapons grade uranium or any plutonium) and maybe a few other components they just might, though stealing a ready made soviet one might be easier.

Pfft. Get into the 21st century. Bio warfare is where its at. Just because somebody can 'make' a nuclear weapon, doesn't mean that they can 'deliver' said weapon. You need ICBM's, bombers, or sattelites to get them anywhere near a target. Why do you think they hijack planes?

Pfft. Get into the 21st century. Bio warfare is where its at. Just because somebody can 'make' a nuclear weapon, doesn't mean that they can 'deliver' said weapon. You need ICBM's, bombers, or sattelites to get them anywhere near a target. Why do you think they hijack planes?Not if you pack it in a suitcase and carry it to your target. Hell, if you're willing to fly a plane into a building, you're probably willing to vaporize yourself along with a few hundred thousand others.

This story is just another example of the incompetence in the Bush administration. Protect the oil fields, leave the nuclear equipment out in the open.

i would think even a large crude nuclear device could be carried ib a moving van/box truck

a terrorist cell could never develope a nuclear wepon (ok, maybe a dirty bomb) without state support and the war scared the hell out of any that might have supported them, just look at lybia

This is relatively true. But state support can be A pretty ambiguous thing.

i would think even a large crude nuclear device could be carried ib a moving van/box truck


but how crude?

your talking about a dirty bomb, not a nuke

thats all they would have made from the material availible in iraq

the first hydrogen bomb was the size of A shipping container. In fact i think it was contained in one.

the first hydrogen bomb was the size of A shipping container. In fact i think it was contained in one.

but it took millions of dollars and an army of scientists to make

hand some tom dick or mahamad a stick of pultonium and they probpbly won't be able to make one

a terrorist cell could never develope a nuclear wepon (ok, maybe a dirty bomb) without state support and the war scared the hell out of any that might have supported them, just look at lybia
and this my friends is what delusino looks like

britain had been working with lybia for years, and you pretend there arnt states that will help?


lets see, russia isnt exactly under wraps, anyone remember when the top pakistani nuclear scientist was selling nuclear tech to terrorists?, ooh ooh or what about iran or saudi arabia.

GET A CLUE

A small Nuclear explosive can be built on-site in an apartment or house and set to detonate.

This is relatively true. But state support can be A pretty ambiguous thing.
If you are very careful you can hide financial support. But actual facilities would be a bit tougher to hide, eh?

but how crude?

your talking about a dirty bomb, not a nuke

thats all they would have made from the material availible in iraq
A dirty bomb could be made from non weapons grade materials such as hospitals, research labs and other legitimate domestic sources produce. There is also a worrisome amount of nuclear materials that have gone missing domestically. Nobody likes to talk about that, but they know that to be the most likely source.

but it took millions of dollars and an army of scientists to make

hand some tom dick or mahamad a stick of pultonium and they probpbly won't be able to make one
Never ever underestimate your opponent or thier hidden resources. The Nuclear Club has become more the Nuclear Clubs. Not everybody is saying all they know or showing all their cards.

A small Nuclear explosive can be built on-site in an apartment or house and set to detonate.
True, but that would be a less secure scenario. The better alternative would be in a truck or a shipping container. They can be more readily shielded against radiation detectors and they have the advantage of being siteable virtually at will.

Why not just go into Russia or some former Soviet country to get a weapon? As I understand it many bombs are unaccounted for and could be anywhere. Perhaps we should stop looking in Iraq and go to where we KNOW there are bombs. Try leaning on North Korea also. Somebody who can pose an actual theat.

Why not just go into Russia or some former Soviet country to get a weapon? As I understand it many bombs are unaccounted for and could be anywhere. Perhaps we should stop looking in Iraq and go to where we KNOW there are bombs. Try leaning on North Korea also. Somebody who can pose an actual theat.
You have to wonder if that isn't already a fait accompli. If it is, who would talk about it? The Feds wouldn't want to make people that scared. The antagonists wouldn't peep about it. I have some contacts who can make your hair stand on end with first and second hand knowledge of what is happening domestically. B.N.I.C.E.R. is an acronymn. Any guesses what they are referring to?

You have to wonder if that isn't already a fait accompli. If it is, who would talk about it? The Feds wouldn't want to make people that scared. The antagonists wouldn't peep about it. I have some contacts who can make your hair stand on end with first and second hand knowledge of what is happening domestically. B.N.I.C.E.R. is an acronymn. Any guesses what they are referring to?

Afraid I'm not familiar with the acronymn. The current government though is already trying to make people scared enough with supposed weapons in Iraq and shadowy figures possessing them. This is all supposition but what is in the former Soviet Union is NOT. Personally I am not going to quiver about possible WMD's. John Ashcroft can proclaim all kinds of threats if he wants but it is NOT going to make me afraid. All it does is piss me off when I see stunts like Bush generously offering to postpone the election under threat of terrorism. What a guy huh?

Saddam's government kept a tight holding structure on his WMD development programmes. This is because Islamist terrorists posed a threat to Iraq just as much as to America. With the collapse of government in Iraq, terrorists could steal any technology the old Iraqi state had. I'm not saying that they did, but they could have done.