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SPRING HILL, Tenn. -- Katherine Williams says the yellow ducky sponge she put on sale at a flea market is merely a child's toy. City officials say the vibrator inside makes it a sex toy.

But officials in this Nashville suburb backed off from citing Williams for violating the city's sexually oriented business ordinance because she had already taken down her display by the time police responded to complaints Saturday. Nearby vendors also refused to be witnesses in the case.

"We've declined to prosecute because of a lack of evidence," City Administrator Ken York said Tuesday.

Williams, whose Passions & Pleasures business sells lotions and adult novelties at in-home parties, described her product line as "PG-13" and said she got only two negative comments at the flea market.

"Nothing we do is nasty, unless you have a nasty mind," she said, turning a knob on the yellow ducky's tail to make the sponge vibrate. "My 3-year-old son loves to play with this duck in the bath. He puts it on his neck and on his head."

Williams said she'll be back at the flea market next year.

"If she does, she'll be cited into court," York said. "That duck is a sexual toy, and it was on display. That was a vibrator on display in public view."

Article (http://www.local6.com/news/3820698/detail.html)

So... who do you feel is in the right? Morals aside for a moment, I find it hard to believe a woman who runs an adult novelty business just happens to be selling a vibrating duck that is a "child's toy". Ah well. Go on, post your thoughts. [pokes]

"Nothing we do is nasty, unless you have a nasty mind," she said, turning a knob on the yellow ducky's tail to make the sponge vibrate. "My 3-year-old son loves to play with this duck in the bath. He puts it on his neck and on his head."
That's not where you put a vibrator :eek: :D

So... who do you feel is in the right? Morals aside for a moment, I find it hard to believe a woman who runs an adult novelty business just happens to be selling a vibrating duck that is a "child's toy". Ah well. Go on, post your thoughts. [pokes]
what if it was a sex toy so what? its immoral to outlaw the selling of sex toys

Hrmm, well I'd say if there's anyone who's expert at defining that hazy line between vibrating ducks and vibrating dongs, it's someone who sells both. I believe the child playing with it in the bathroom story mentioned, though of course kids will pretty much play with anything. I don't care if it was on display or whatever though. People should be able to sell whatever they want at flea markets, as far as legally purchased goods goes.

is a playstation controller a sex toy?

what if it was a sex toy so what? its immoral to outlaw the selling of sex toys

They aren't outlawed. However all sex related business (strip clubs as a perfect example) are liable to zoning laws.

That's not where you put a vibrator :eek: :D
it's not a vibrator. it's a neck massager.
(has anyone seen sex and the city? :D)

*gets flash backs of the vibrating Harry Potter Broomstick


my favorite bit of input to the thing being sold on amazon.

"my teen daughter loves it, she and her friends sit in her room and play with it all day long"

i sat there and laughed at that for a while

is a playstation controller a sex toy?

From a personal standpoint or a legal one? I think the bigger question is, why does the PSX controller vibrate? Now why does the duck do so? :p

On that line of thinking though, I believe Rez comes with a vibrator for use with the game.

my dog has a bone that vibrates we he bites it would they consider this a sex toy

my dog has a bone that vibrates we he bites it would they consider this a sex toy
For vaginas with teeth :D

is a playstation controller a sex toy?Yes, yes it is. :D

As was the Nimbus2000 that Amazon had to pull from its shelves. Uptight Puritans...

is a playstation controller a sex toy?
a dual shock

For vaginas with teeth :D
well my dogs a he but it dose drive him crazy

well my dogs a he but it dose drive him crazy
I'm not gonna take that the wong way...I'm not gonna take that the wong way...I'm not gonna take that the wong way...I'm not gonna take that the wong way...

Too late... SICK!

what if it was a sex toy so what? its immoral to outlaw the selling of sex toys
not in alabama, texas, tennesee, mississippi, florida, arkansas, missouri, utah, or anywhere else run by uptight baptists, mormons, or rednecks


i know for a fact sex toys are ILLEGAL in texas and alabama, i assume for the rest

give me a break. :rolleyes:

the duck vibrates... so what!? Like someone said earlier "Is a playstation controller a sex toy?"

I have a cat toy that vibrates when you pull the string.

Besides... who cares if someone wants to use a vibrating duck as a sex toy or a childrens toy in the bath? How is a vibrating duck going to corrupt a small child? Do vibrations immediately arouse sexual feelings in a child?

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

I'm not gonna take that the wong way...I'm not gonna take that the wong way...I'm not gonna take that the wong way...I'm not gonna take that the wong way...

Too late... SICK!
when he bites it

give me a break. :rolleyes:

the duck vibrates... so what!? Like someone said earlier "Is a playstation controller a sex toy?"

I have a cat toy that vibrates when you pull the string.

Besides... who cares if someone wants to use a vibrating duck as a sex toy or a childrens toy in the bath? How is a vibrating duck going to corrupt a small child? Do vibrations immediately arouse sexual feelings in a child?

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.
True... might as well ban all vibrating and phallic shaped objects

a dual shock
Oh yeah... ;)

and what about the bumble-ball another vibrating kiddy toy
that could be used in perverted ways like some might use the duck

True... might as well ban all vibrating and phallic shaped objects
um they DO ban all vibrating objects, they cant ban all phallic objects, their entire state would shut down due to the banning of corn and cucumbers

not in alabama, texas, tennesee, mississippi, florida, arkansas, missouri, utah, or anywhere else run by uptight baptists, mormons, or rednecks

i know for a fact sex toys are ILLEGAL in texas and alabama, i assume for the rest

Crap, I didn't realize that. :\ That blows.

the duck vibrates... so what!? Like someone said earlier "Is a playstation controller a sex toy?"

It's a shame you didn't read the reply to that comment. A sex toy can be defined as something that is clearly created with the intent of being used for sexual arousal (not legal definition, just a simple breakdown). A PlayStation controller obviously was not.

Not only is it poorly designed in shape, not only can it not be immersed in liquid, but it has an entirely separate purpose for which it exists.

I'm not absolutely defending their standpoint, but that doesn't mean your arguments against them don't have to make sense.

um they DO ban all vibrating objects, they cant ban all phallic objects, their entire state would shut down due to the banning of corn and cucumbers
Then why is the playstation dual shock controller allowed?

I don't see the problem. With the ducky children can learn about sex in a playfull way.

It's a shame you didn't read the reply to that comment. A sex toy can be defined as something that is clearly created with the intent of being used for sexual arousal (not legal definition, just a simple breakdown). A PlayStation controller obviously was not.

Not only is it poorly designed in shape, not only can it not be immersed in liquid, but it has an entirely separate purpose for which it exists.

I'm not absolutely defending their standpoint, but that doesn't mean your arguments against them don't have to make sense.
and you cant control when it vibrates

Then why is the playstation dual shock controller allowed?
probably because you cant make it vibrate on command, at least not easily

probably because you cant make it vibrate on command, at least not easily
i said that :mad:

not in alabama, texas, tennesee, mississippi, florida, arkansas, missouri, utah, or anywhere else run by uptight baptists, mormons, or rednecks


i know for a fact sex toys are ILLEGAL in texas and alabama, i assume for the rest

It's ridiculous!

Although, they still sell them there but are supposed to call them novelty items.

not in alabama, texas, tennesee, mississippi, florida, arkansas, missouri, utah, or anywhere else run by uptight baptists, mormons, or rednecks


i know for a fact sex toys are ILLEGAL in texas and alabama, i assume for the rest

Not here in Tennessee, We're not that uptight- more like the opposite. Although I do find it hard to belive that a high percentage use them here in Mulletville, USA

i know for a fact sex toys are ILLEGAL in texas and alabama, i assume for the rest

Nonono, they're only illegal if you sell them as sex toys. As long as they are sold as gag gifts or novelty items, you're ok.

probably because you cant make it vibrate on command, at least not easily
Some one slightly technical would

Some one slightly technical would
if you take ita part
but that can be said for thousends of kids toys

America is the most sexually uptight country in the world because of all the religious goons running around here

Just to note, so I don't come across as all anti-sex/anti-sex toy, I have nothing against adult novelty items. Hell, I've sent them out as gifts to female friends on more than one occasion. I'm just not so sure a public flea market is the place to be selling them.

probably because you cant make it vibrate on command, at least not easily
Vibration test, Metal Gear Solid.

Just to note, so I don't come across as all anti-sex/anti-sex toy, I have nothing against adult novelty items. Hell, I've sent them out as gifts to female friends on more than one occasion. I'm just not so sure a public flea market is the place to be selling them.

how is a vibrating duck a sex toy if sold to a child?

how is a vibrating duck a sex toy if sold to a child?

How is a vibrator a sex toy if sold to a child? They aren't going to know how to use it. A sex toy isn't defined by who it is sold to, it is defined by its form and intent.

Edit

For that matter, who brought children buying the toy up at all? o.o;

is a playstation controller a sex toy?

GameGirl seemed to think so:

http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html

How is a vibrator a sex toy if sold to a child? They aren't going to know how to use it. A sex toy isn't defined by who it is sold to, it is defined by its form and intent.

Edit

For that matter, who brought children buying the toy up at all? o.o;

how do you know that the toy was intended for sex if it was being sold as a toy for children?

How is the form of a duck taken by you as being sexual?
How is this going to hurt children if given to them to be used as a toy?

If a child see's this duck in the flea market is it going to corrupt him/her?

What exactly is your problem with a vibrating duck being sold in a flea market?

how do you know that the toy was intended for sex if it was being sold as a toy for children?

How is the form of a duck taken by you as being sexual?
How is this going to hurt children if given to them to be used as a toy?

If a child see's this duck in the flea market is it going to corrupt him/her?

What exactly is your problem with a vibrating duck being sold in a flea market?

I believe the law applies equally to all. If I sold a 12 inch vibrating penis in the flea market, I'd be arrested. The law doesn't state you can't sell phallic objects even (at least not any I'm aware of); it specifically targets sex toys.

The bigger question is why you feel someone should be permitted to willfully ignore existing laws. If they feel the laws are invalid, they can appeal. On what basis do you believe that simply ignoring laws is the way to go?

As for the question of how I know: a) she runs a business selling adult novelties, b) there are existing sex toys with the same design and purpose, and c) there is no other need to have a rubber duck vibrate.

Moreover, she wasn't selling the toy to children. I wish you would stop suggesting that. -.-; She claimed as her defense when confronted by police that it was a child's toy, not a sex toy. Claiming to the police something is a child's toy and selling it to children are 2 different things.

I believe the law applies equally to all. If I sold a 12 inch vibrating penis in the flea market, I'd be arrested. The law doesn't state you can't sell phallic objects even (at least not any I'm aware of); it specifically targets sex toys.

The bigger question is why you feel someone should be permitted to willfully ignore existing laws. If they feel the laws are invalid, they can appeal. On what basis do you believe that simply ignoring laws is the way to go?

As for the question of how I know: a) she runs a business selling adult novelties, b) there are existing sex toys with the same design and purpose, and c) there is no other need to have a rubber duck vibrate.

Moreover, she wasn't selling the toy to children. I wish you would stop suggesting that. -.-; She claimed as her defense when confronted by police that it was a child's toy, not a sex toy. Claiming to the police something is a child's toy and selling it to children are 2 different things.

Maybe she had trouble selling it as a sex toy and decided to sell it at the flea market as a childs toy. If her intent was to sell ti as a childs toy then I dont see the harm. You certainly cant call a duck a dildo. YOu can sell a toy to adults to give to their chuildren you know. Apparently her child enjoys playing with the vibrasting duck so I dont see the problem. Did the packaging say "sex toy" on it? There may be no need to have a rubber duck vibrate but there are a lot of things being sold out there that do wierd crap that doesnt make any sense.

I just think that it's completely idiotic to be against a woman selling a vibrating duck at a flea market, acting as if she is showing pornography in public. The duck is not a phallic symbol so I dont see a problem. I would agree if she was selling a phallic shaped vibrating object but its a duck for jebbus sake.

Maybe she had trouble selling it as a sex toy and decided to sell it at the flea market as a childs toy. If her intent was to sell ti as a childs toy then I dont see the harm. You certainly cant call a duck a dildo. YOu can sell a toy to adults to give to their chuildren you know. Apparently her child enjoys playing with the vibrasting duck so I dont see the problem. Did the packaging say "sex toy" on it? There may be no need to have a rubber duck vibrate but there are a lot of things being sold out there that do wierd crap that doesnt make any sense.

I just think that it's completely idiotic to be against a woman selling a vibrating duck at a flea market, acting as if she is showing pornography in public. The duck is not a phallic symbol so I dont see a problem. I would agree if she was selling a phallic shaped vibrating object but its a duck for jebbus sake.

So again, why is it ok to sell a vibrating duck but not a vibrating phallus? The child isn't going to use it for sexual purposes either way. And you are still arguing a sex toy is only a sex toy if labelled as one. That's pretty silly. I can label an orange a tomato, hell I can label it a Ford Mustang; it doesn't change what the orange is.

Sex toys are either illegal for sale period (though I wasn't aware of this, and do not know if it applies to her state) or are restricted for sale by zoning laws. If you could kindly explain why she is free to ignore zoning laws by renaming a sex toy, I'd be happy to hear it.

While you're at it, if I rename my strip club a "female dancing bar", can I put that next door to the local elementary school?

Your logic doesn't hold together, I'm sorry.

*gets flash backs of the vibrating Harry Potter Broomstick


my favorite bit of input to the thing being sold on amazon.

"my teen daughter loves it, she and her friends sit in her room and play with it all day long"

i sat there and laughed at that for a while
Dear God where can I gets me one of those?

While you're at it, if I rename my strip club a "female dancing bar", can I put that next door to the local elementary school?
I would.

So again, why is it ok to sell a vibrating duck but not a vibrating phallus? The child isn't going to use it for sexual purposes either way. And you are still arguing a sex toy is only a sex toy if labelled as one. That's pretty silly. I can label an orange a tomato, hell I can label it a Ford Mustang; it doesn't change what the orange is.

Sex toys are either illegal for sale period (though I wasn't aware of this, and do not know if it applies to her state) or are restricted for sale by zoning laws. If you could kindly explain why she is free to ignore zoning laws by renaming a sex toy, I'd be happy to hear it.

While you're at it, if I rename my strip club a "female dancing bar", can I put that next door to the local elementary school?

Your logic doesn't hold together, I'm sorry.
you ignore the point its just a duck that vibrates, she can label it as a sex toy or a stupid pointless toy, eitehr way, its correctly labeled

not in alabama, texas, tennesee, mississippi, florida, arkansas, missouri, utah, or anywhere else run by uptight baptists, mormons, or rednecks


i know for a fact sex toys are ILLEGAL in texas and alabama, i assume for the rest
I live in Alabama and I go to the store down the street where they sell sex toys and they don't have to advertise as "gag gifts of novelty items" The damn rack says VIBRATORS FOR SEXUAL USE

you ignore the point its just a duck that vibrates, she can label it as a sex toy or a stupid pointless toy, eitehr way, its correctly labeled

So if I rename my kitchen table a spaceship, I'm correct either way? Wow. You seem to have missed the point where the vibrating duck, is in fact, an existing sex toy. The company who produces them (and most distributors) do not even make any attempt to disguise its purpose.

This woman only did so because she wanted to avoid legal trouble. And no, renaming your sex toy to a child's toy on the fly doesn't allow you to ignore the law.

Just as a small ammendum, though it's common sense, sex toys and adult material aren't solely liable for zoning laws because of children. Not everyone wants to be exposed to smut or sex toys when they walk into their local groecery store (though personally, I could care less :p).

So argue as you will with the child argument, which was never really an issue. This is a matter of whether a person has the right to ignore existing laws because they don't care for them.

I don't see the problem. With the ducky children can learn about sex in a playfull way.

Exactly! LOL! This whole thread is cracking me up.

I live in Alabama and I go to the store down the street where they sell sex toys and they don't have to advertise as "gag gifts of novelty items" The damn rack says VIBRATORS FOR SEXUAL USE
i live in alabama too and i know for a fact thats illegal

Exactly! LOL! This whole thread is cracking me up.
hehe. funny thing a heiliger should post on that...not so holy after all, or are you? ;)

So if I rename my kitchen table a spaceship, I'm correct either way? Wow. You seem to have missed the point where the vibrating duck, is in fact, an existing sex toy. The company who produces them (and most distributors) do not even make any attempt to disguise its purpose.
wow, that was completely and totally unintelligent

your tabel cannot pass as a spaceship sicne it does not have any characteristics of a space ship

while on the intelligent hand

the duck is a duck, it vibrates. its a stupid toy that vibrates, you can advertise it as such
it is a stupid duck that vibrates, it could be a sexual vibrator. you can advertise it as such.

So if I rename my kitchen table a spaceship, I'm correct either way? Wow. You seem to have missed the point where the vibrating duck, is in fact, an existing sex toy. The company who produces them (and most distributors) do not even make any attempt to disguise its purpose.

This woman only did so because she wanted to avoid legal trouble. And no, renaming your sex toy to a child's toy on the fly doesn't allow you to ignore the law.Well, the thing is, the law does work exactly how you've said it doesn't. If you sell things for "novelty purposes", you can get away with it. I would say that, quite definately, a vibrating rubber duck would count as a novelty, if anything does.

Well, the thing is, the law does work exactly how you've said it doesn't. If you sell things for "novelty purposes", you can get away with it. I would say that, quite definately, a vibrating rubber duck would count as a novelty, if anything does.
you could sell it as a vibrating rubber duck neck massager!

wow, that was completely and totally unintelligent

your tabel cannot pass as a spaceship sicne it does not have any characteristics of a space ship

while on the intelligent hand

the duck is a duck, it vibrates. its a stupid toy that vibrates, you can advertise it as such
it is a stupid duck that vibrates, it could be a sexual vibrator. you can advertise it as such.

You know when the subtle flames start that you've won. :rolleyes: You can advertise it as whatever you want, but it doesn't change what it is.

Well, the thing is, the law does work exactly how you've said it doesn't. If you sell things for "novelty purposes", you can get away with it. I would say that, quite definately, a vibrating rubber duck would count as a novelty, if anything does.

I never said that you couldn't name something a novelty item. I stated it does not change what it, in fact, is. Moreover, you cannot change it only when the police show up to cover your butt. There is no mention that she was selling it as a novelty item, and logic states the police wouldn't have bothered to show up at all if she was.

Now, local laws are going to vary, and their exact interpretation is complicated at best. But people by and large are going entirely off on a separate "sex isn't bad" tangent, while the point of this topic was never to damn sex or sex toys to begin with. I've bought them, given them out, I don't have a problem with them.

In any event. Any useful debate that could have come from this thread has likely passed, so I'll leave it to die now. You can debate amongst yourselves if you so wish.

hehe. funny thing a heiliger should post on that...not so holy after all, or are you? ;)

By day I am a Heiliger (For those who don't know what Heiliger means, learn German) by night I am The Ladys man! ;)

By day I am a Heiliger (For those who don't know what Heiliger means, learn German) by night I am The Ladys man! ;)
haha... more like a möchtegern-heiliger, then ;)

By day I am a Heiliger (For those who don't know what Heiliger means, learn German) by night I am The Ladys man! ;)
The Ladies AND Vibrating Ducks

You know when the subtle flames start that you've won. :rolleyes: You can advertise it as whatever you want, but it doesn't change what it is.
how do you know what it is? are you now the official final word on what things are? you might want to sign up for the US patent office work if you dont already work there, you know since your the final word on what everything is.

a "vibrating sexual object" is COMPLETELY objective, completely.

GameGirl seemed to think so:

http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html
LOL!!

I wanna see a picture of this damn duck!

i live in alabama too and i know for a fact thats illegal
Which part of Alabama do you live in?

I wanna see a picture of this damn duck!
http://www.poolandspa.com/catalog/product002613000006.cfm
there you go

I never said that you couldn't name something a novelty item. I stated it does not change what it, in fact, is. Moreover, you cannot change it only when the police show up to cover your butt. There is no mention that she was selling it as a novelty item, and logic states the police wouldn't have bothered to show up at all if she was.
I don't think that logic suggests that at all. All it suggests is that, for whatever reason, the police seemed to believe that this was for sexual purposes. You might have the same inkling if you saw a shelf full of novelty 14" penises.

http://www.poolandspa.com/catalog/product002613000006.cfm
there you go


**Dies laughing**

I Rub My Duckie By Bronco!

Jesus Christ, is THIS what they are arguging about? It looks like a child toy, and yet it does have "I rub my duckie on it. I don't see the sexual content of it really. And if you can see a sexual content in this, then you need to get laid, badly.

My bad, sponge, not foam.

http://www.poolandspa.com/catalog/product002613000006.cfm
there you go

Nope. You'll note it is referred to as a "sponge" duck in the article.

http://www.twogirlsandtheirtoys.com/Products%5CPD300700%5CPD300700.jpg

For the record that's the item you are looking for.

For the people still trying to continue arguing with me, as I've said once before, this entire discussion has been mutilated beyond belief. I'm sorry, but while you are free to argue amongst yourselves, I've poured enough of my limited free time into this topic.

http://www.poolandspa.com/catalog/product002613000006.cfm
there you go
Ernie was a pervert!

I don't think that logic suggests that at all. All it suggests is that, for whatever reason, the police seemed to believe that this was for sexual purposes. You might have the same inkling if you saw a shelf full of novelty 14" penises.
im pretty sure it was being sold in a flea market, in which it if they wouldnt be able to have the penises, but the duckie would be fine.

Ernie was a pervert!
ROFL

Makes you think ej?

Which part of Alabama do you live in?
the more developed part

well the woman on the box DOES seem to be overly fond of her duck

i expect that the seller was selling on the basis of being a sex toy. there is NOTHING illegal about selling something just because it vibrates. drop by the brookstone store in the mall and youll see they have about a dozen different models. (most utterly unsuited to being a sex toy)

its pathetic to have to disguise a sex toy as a rubber ducky but i guess its better than accidentally leaving one in the bathroom and having your 7 year old ask you what it is.

That's awesome, stupid sheltered people :p

Speaking of vibrators, my friend found instructions for the use and maintenance of a vibrator lying in the street. I saw it and as all instructions it was really dumb, funny though.

Oh please. This is so stupid. If she was selling it as a silly toy, then it's a freaking toy! It's not a sex toy just because it vibrates. Sure, I'd use it for that, but I'm a horny 14 year old with an overactive and resourceful imagination. I'd just as soon buy one for my 4 year old sister because she'd think it was cool, and I doubt my parents would even think of its possible alternate use.

For godsakes...

Oh please. This is so stupid. If she was selling it as a silly toy, then it's a freaking toy! It's not a sex toy just because it vibrates. Sure, I'd use it for that, but I'm a horny 14 year old with an overactive and resourceful imagination. I'd just as soon buy one for my 4 year old sister because she'd think it was cool, and I doubt my parents would even think of its possible alternate use.

For godsakes...

Zinrai, please tell me you wouldn't really use something your little sister would play with as a sex toy.

As far I'm concerned it's a vibrating duck.
It would make interesting ripples in the bath.
It too much like a kid's toy to be a sex toy; that's just creepy.