NationStates Jolt Archive

Right, Wednesday, part of my college time table is the Young Enterprise project. Basically students set up their own working business under the eye of a professor, a businessman and finally their own advisor sent from Pertemps. Now me and my three mates are all white males and went into business together because we only knew each other in the class and everyone was making their own groups.

Week 2: We are not allowed such a small group, so we get three girls, two of whom are of Asian ethnicity.

Week 3: Said girls change to pottery.

Week 4: New white girl joins and two more while males.

Week 5: Pertemps advisor arrives, she is Asian and then complains that our business is ignorant of Equal Opportunities and that she is offended by the fact that the company is full of white males. We argue that we had two Asian girls but they both left, not good enough. Eventually, we tell her there is no choice, we cannot hire anyone else so tough shit.

My point in this mini-rant is that Equal Opportunities, Political Correctness and general fear of being considered racist by our peers is turning the world upside down.

The fact we can be ridiculed, each of us who are doing A level business and know almost every Act in existence between us, by a woman who speaks broken English and probably arrived in our country three weeks ago, can insult our codes of conduct because they are discriminative ridiculous. Especially given the fact we recruited people of an ethnic background.

Moving away from this, the term half-caste being deemed racist by white men. Ridiculous. My step-grand dads were both black, a quater of my family are half-caste, yet if I call someone half-caste I am being racist. I ask you, people of the world, has political correctness gone to the shitter?

-Phil.

I can't stand PCness!

Or affirmative action - "reverse racism" my ***

Moving away from this, the term half-caste being deemed racist by white men. Ridiculous. My step-grand dads were both black, a quater of my family are half-caste, yet if I call someone half-caste I am being racist. I ask you, people of the world, has political correctness gone to the shitter?

Some people just find it offensive because of it's mention of caste. Would it be so much trouble to say 'mixed-race'?

Actually, my family members considered mixed race offensive. The implication that they are not a race in themself is what I think does it for them.

-Phil.

Political Correctness is such a load of crap. It binds your abilities. What good does it do? None!

Damn white people, always making everyone's lives horrible! We should ban white people. No more allowed anywhere. Only minorities. Than the minority will be the majority and then they will make everyone's lives horrible, by default. The cycle never ends...

Actually, my family members considered mixed race offensive. The implication that they are not a race in themself is what I think does it for them.

Sorry, my mistake. But doesn't half-caste imply that people aren't a caste in themselves?

Aye it does, but they still find it less offensive.

-Phil.

Just ignore the busy-body losers who question what you do. They have no power over you.

Everyone: Don't fear being called racist, it gives you a chance to argue with these fools who call you it.

A business should employ purely on a basis of who is most suitable for the job. Don't let any meddling imbecile change your methods.

:D Hahaha.....hilariouse. Reminds me of the time when we had a substitute teacher for a few weeks. A Russian trans-sexuel. Who needed a talkmate and dictionary to communicate with the class.

The greatest one, was a woman who was forced to remove an advert from a window which read:

Seeks hard working individual.

Apparently it discriminated against people who are not hard working.

Welcome to England, Realm of the Labour Government.

-Phil.

The greatest one, was a woman who was forced to remove an advert from a window which read:

Seeks hard working individual.

Apparently it discriminated against people who are not hard working.

Welcome to England, Realm of the Labour Government.

-Phil.
:D No wonder our countries are going to shit.

My point in this mini-rant is that Equal Opportunities, Political Correctness and general fear of being considered racist by our peers is turning the world upside down.

Only the white world ....

I say .... GOOD! Cry me a river.

To be fair, the job centre thing was later attributed to an overzealous beuraucrate who was suitably reprimanded.

But I get the jist, there are many of these ridiculous actions happening every week in Britain.

Vote CONSERVATIVE>>>

The greatest one, was a woman who was forced to remove an advert from a window which read:

Seeks hard working individual.

Apparently it discriminated against people who are not hard working.

Welcome to England, Realm of the Labour Government.

-Phil.

No wonder everyone with the finances to do it are ditching the country. My parents emigrated to Spain a few days ago. I don't blame them in the least.

Used to get all those racism talks at school. "Don't be racist to people of a different colour. They're just like us."

Yeah, right. Not meaning to sound racist at all, but from my experience, it's the non-whites that are the racist ones. So many blacks have the "your ancestors enslaved my ancestors, so you owe me big time" attitude. Uh... yeah, sure. I'm the descendant of farm labourers and masons. I don't think they had two £ coins to rub together, let alone enough to buy slaves.

I really hate that kind of attitude. Non-whites are just as prejudiced towards whites, if not more.

The greatest one, was a woman who was forced to remove an advert from a window which read:

Seeks hard working individual.

Apparently it discriminated against people who are not hard working.

Welcome to England, Realm of the Labour Government.

-Phil.

LOL. Sounds like America too.

Vote CONSERVATIVE>>>

Nah.
Vote UKIP.

Yeah, right. Not meaning to sound racist at all, but from my experience, it's the non-whites that are the racist ones. So many blacks have the "your ancestors enslaved my ancestors, so you owe me big time" attitude. Uh... yeah, sure. I'm the descendant of farm labourers and masons. I don't think they had two £ coins to rub together, let alone enough to buy slaves.

:D Yeah. Lot's of them have that attitude. Strangely enough it's often, at least in Holland where I went to school, those that weren't even enslaved. At least at my school. We had lot's of Morrokans and Turks there. They all seemed to be under the impression their ancestors somehow where enslaved by evil whitie. Yet I never heard such complaints from people from my fathers side. Filipinos. Who actually where enslaved first by Spain and later the US.
Non-whites are just as prejudiced towards whites, if not more.
Unlike white people they can get away with it.

Once UKIP has removed all chance of us being made part of the stupid European Super Continent, THEN vote Conservative. It is the Asian predominantly. I come from Birmingham, basically the worlds largest open plan asylum... I am accosted by more racist Asian people in my college a day than I am aware of racist white people. Asian people in my college are openly offensive to white people, yet if you retort you are the racist one as the college must maintain a view of being seen as pro-ethnic students, thus white people suffer because of Asian racists who seek to dominate our country.

-Phil.

:D Yeah. Lot's of them have that attitude. Strangely enough it's often, at least in Holland where I went to school, those that weren't even enslaved. At least at my school. We had lot's of Morrokans and Turks there. They all seemed to be under the impression their ancestors somehow where enslaved by evil whitie. Yet I never heard such complaints from people from my fathers side. Filipinos. Who actually where enslaved first by Spain and later the US.

They're just jumping on the proverbial band-wagon, or something like that. Slavery is such a good way of getting attention, after all.

I must admit, in England it seems to me that it is the Asians who're more strongly racist than the blacks, the ones who probably have the most right to be, considering they actually were enslaved. Not saying they should be, but if someone's going to be racist, they have most right. But... I've known some very nice, very intelligent blacks in my time. Not met any Asians I liked much, though.

Anyone tried calling for tech support at someplace like BT or Orange? I challenge you to talk to someone that can actually speak English...

I dislike most Asians because of their attitudes that they come to England, and we should conform to THEIR codes of behaviour, religion, tradition and dress. I think it is disgusting. My step grandad is black, most of his friends are black, and they are nicer than any white people I know. The majority of the time, black people are nicer than white. There are the occasional few who have been influenced by American black culture which is largely gangland style, although lets face it enough white people are the same.

I averagely prefer black people to white people, they are nicer, easier to talk to, kinder, more considerate and with a better work ethic. Asians tend to be lazy and arrogant. (Note: I refer to young Asians, many adult Asian people I know are not like this and by Asian I mean more middle eastern, not Russian or Oriental)

-Phil.

-snip-
Though I'm from America, what's so bad about Asians? My best friend is half-Japanese!

Anyone tried calling for tech support at someplace like BT or Orange? I challenge you to talk to someone that can actually speak English...
I did a computer course once. And when I had a question about the studymaterial I called the study centre. I don't know what language it was but it sure wasn't Dutch. So then I went to the centre myself and they told me I could just call their helpdesk. I told them I did but I don't speak Martian. The good womans face turned somewhat reddish and her mouth tightened a bit. If my complexion had been paler I probably would have been yelled at. Turned out I wasn't the only one with that problem. Another student, A white student, who complaint about the lack of Dutch speaking staff had been kicked out.

Super read my above post mate, I'm refering to middle-eastern Asians. ;)

As for the tech support I know what you mean lol. I think strict laws need to be enforced with England when it comes to migrants.

-They MUST speak fluent English.
-They MUST have job qualifications we want.
-They may NOT bring over their entire family.
-Illegal immigrants will be deported, if the country refuses to let them back in, they are executed

This would soon clean up the migration problem.

-Phil.

As long as the word racism stays in dictionaries... and is preached to be avoided, racism will never end. People take this issue to a fing ridiculous extent.

Though I'm from America, what's so bad about Asians? My best friend is half-Japanese!
In Britain Asian generally refers to those of Indian, Pakistani descent, rather then far eastern.

-They MUST speak fluent English.

Why should they not be able to learn?

Anywa, it could mean that other countries would have to use the same standards, and we could be left with a lot of annoying would be ex-pats.
-They MUST have job qualifications we want.

Who decides what we want?
-They may NOT bring over their entire family.
Why?
-Illegal immigrants will be deported, if the country refuses to let them back in, they are executed
Bit inhumane isn't it?

Not to mention illegal, [thanks to Europe]
This would soon clean up the migration problem.
How so?

If they really want to become a part of England, they will adopt our customs, religion, traditions and know our language. If they cared enough to come here then I don't think us knowing what the hell they are saying si too much to ask.

The government decides, certain thigns are clear, such as a lack of doctors, nurses, science teachers etc.

If their family has nothing to offer England, then why should we accept them? They will take up room, housing and recieve a section of English tax money in order to support them when they have done nothing to earn that right.

Inhumane perhaps, but then again if they want citizenship that badly, they will apply through the correct process. I must say I am total anti-Europe but I am fairly sure the rule you are refering to about human rights comes from the UN not the EU.

-Phil.

The fact we can be ridiculed, each of us who are doing A level business and know almost every Act in existence between us, by a woman who speaks broken English and probably arrived in our country three weeks ago, can insult our codes of conduct because they are discriminative ridiculous. Especially given the fact we recruited people of an ethnic background.

Moving away from this, the term half-caste being deemed racist by white men. Ridiculous. My step-grand dads were both black, a quater of my family are half-caste, yet if I call someone half-caste I am being racist. I ask you, people of the world, has political correctness gone to the shitter?

-Phil.The moronity of denouncing the whole idea of politicial correctness aside, don't you think theres a reasonable point to be made here with regards to PR? That if you appear to be exclusionist, even though you may not be trying to be, you'll run into trouble

Half-caste was deemed offensive because it suggests that only one half (and it doesn't take a civil rights leader to figure out that its the white half) was worth anything.

Super read my above post mate, I'm refering to middle-eastern Asians. ;)

As for the tech support I know what you mean lol. I think strict laws need to be enforced with England when it comes to migrants.

-They MUST speak fluent English.
-They MUST have job qualifications we want.
-They may NOT bring over their entire family.
-Illegal immigrants will be deported, if the country refuses to let them back in, they are executed

This would soon clean up the migration problem.

-Phil.Anyone for a roasted haunch of BNP member?

(Note: I refer to young Asians, many adult Asian people I know are not like this and by Asian I mean more middle eastern, not Russian or Oriental)

-Phil.
I'm sorry, do you think that you can disguise your blatently racist attitude simply by limiting the people whom you're referring to to a mere few hundred million, as opposed to a billion or two?

If they really want to become a part of England,

Britain darling, we live in a larger country.

they will adopt our customs, religion, traditions and know our language.

What is wrong with their own customs etc?
Although I agree with the language part.
The government decides, certain thigns are clear, such as a lack of doctors, nurses, science teachers etc.

Because the have proved themselves capable in the pastg right?
[quiote]If their family has nothing to offer England, then why should we accept them? They will take up room, housing and recieve a section of English tax money in order to support them when they have done nothing to earn that right.[/quote]

Why do you assume that they will automatically take up tax money?

Inhumane perhaps, but then again if they want citizenship that badly, they will apply through the correct process. I must say I am total anti-Europe but I am fairly sure the rule you are refering to about human rights comes from the UN not the EU.

No, Europe has banned the death sentence in all member states.

Anyway, the law still stands. We cannot execute people just because they are from the wrong country.

I have admitted before I am a fascist, although I disagree with the BNP due to their generally poor manifesto which offers little in the way of solutions to other problems, as well as the fact a good quater of my relatives would be deported or burned lol.

The argument in the business was that we were not showing equal opportunities, which is impossible when we do not have the ability to recruit anyone but the people we have been set with.

I know why the half-caste thing was dropped, but who decided it was racist? Likely a white government and my half-caste relatives and my half-caste best friend all refer to themselves as half-caste. The point of the post is that political correctness has reached insane levels.

Here are two recent examples of British PC gone totally awry.

The term nit-picking is banned as it originated as a slave labour term.

Brain storming may not be used by teachers as it is offensive towards the mentally ill.

These are both totally ridiculous things and prove that Britain, if not the world, is going mad with PC.

-Phil.

If they really want to become a part of England, they will adopt our customs, religion, traditions and know our language. If they cared enough to come here then I don't think us knowing what the hell they are saying si too much to ask.

The government decides, certain thigns are clear, such as a lack of doctors, nurses, science teachers etc.

If their family has nothing to offer England, then why should we accept them? They will take up room, housing and recieve a section of English tax money in order to support them when they have done nothing to earn that right.

Inhumane perhaps, but then again if they want citizenship that badly, they will apply through the correct process. I must say I am total anti-Europe but I am fairly sure the rule you are refering to about human rights comes from the UN not the EU.

-Phil.My GP: Asian. The best physics teacher I ever had was called Dr Ashaa. Are there sections of ethnic minorities who don't "contribute to society"? Yes. Are there white people who fail to do the same? Once again, yes. Does your random stereotyping and racist lingo serve to do anything more than whinge about something that only exists in some bigot leader's confused little head? I think not.

Here are two recent examples of British PC gone totally awry.

The term nit-picking is banned as it originated as a slave labour term.

Brain storming may not be used by teachers as it is offensive towards the mentally ill.
Thing is, that's not actually true. I mean, yes, there are some pc textbooks that say that those terms are innapropriate, but I've never actually heard of either of those being avoided. Its an anti-pc myth.

Aye it does, but they still find it less offensive.

-Phil.

Two of my cousins are 'mixed'.
To me they're just my cousins.

I don't consider anyone born in England to be anything but English.
Therefore it is technically impossible for me to be discriminatory.
:D

Once UKIP has removed all chance of us being made part of the stupid European Super Continent, THEN vote Conservative. It is the Asian predominantly. I come from Birmingham, basically the worlds largest open plan asylum... I am accosted by more racist Asian people in my college a day than I am aware of racist white people. Asian people in my college are openly offensive to white people, yet if you retort you are the racist one as the college must maintain a view of being seen as pro-ethnic students, thus white people suffer because of Asian racists who seek to dominate our country.

-Phil.
Right, yes, we must lower ourselves to the level of petty racists, of course, why didn't I see it before?

Asian racists seeking to dominate the country? Is this before or after the grey aliens take over the government? Or the Zionist Occupying Government takes control of the TV station and starts blasting propaganda directly into our brains?

*gets out tin foil hat*

They are executed for a crime, that of illegal entry into the country. If they already disregard our laws, it doesn't bode well does it?

I am not racist towards the entire Asian community, only against middle-eastern Asians, primarily those of a young age. People live near me who are Asian, people in my local corner shop are Asian, but they work hard and I respect them and like them as people, but the students at my college show what the future generation will be.

I have stated I am not racist towards people of oriental background nor Russians, you cannot sum up an entire continent as one race. The term Asian (In Britain) generally means middle-east to us as was mentioned previously by someone. By this argument, if I said I am racist toward black people, but only those of Jamaican heritage, I would be racist towards all black people, or if I said I was racist towards Americans, than I am racist towards all white people. No because the differences are huge and varying, do not twist my words to fuel an arguement which is false.

Their own customs cause social divide, black people are more accepted in our society because they share our religions and customs.

If we have one person working and their family even if only their wife and two children, they will recieve benefits to aid their living, for what reason? What have they contributed to our country?

England is a country, Britian is a united set of countries. Therefore Britain is not a country ;)

-Phil.

I dislike most Asians because of their attitudes that they come to England, and we should conform to THEIR codes of behaviour, religion, tradition and dress.
Yes, god forbid that, in a country where the things codified by the American First Amendment are so obvious that we don't even need to write them down, god forbid that we should allow people to wear their own clothes and worship their own gods.

Spoffin, read my posts little man, read the posts. I stated I was refering to young people of middle-eastern heritage.

Those two examples are lifted directly from an issue of the Guardian, the Sun and the Mirror. I forget how long ago it was but feel free to research.

The Asian racists seeking to dominate the country was abit OTT but ah well, I call it creative license, much like you took creative license in calling me a racist bigot leader ;)

-Phil.

If they really want to become a part of England, they will adopt our customs, religion, traditions and know our language. If they cared enough to come here then I don't think us knowing what the hell they are saying si too much to ask.
I've never met a second generation immigrant (as most asian people your age and mine are likely to be) that couldn't speak English. If you think this is such a problem, then why don't you show me numbers on it? And please, cite a source that isn't Stormfront.

Right, yes, we must lower ourselves to the level of petty racists, of course, why didn't I see it before?

Asian racists seeking to dominate the country? Is this before or after the grey aliens take over the government? Or the Zionist Occupying Government takes control of the TV station and starts blasting propaganda directly into our brains?

*gets out tin foil hat*

Actually I also have known more people from Muslim and Hindu communities to be casually racist than any other.

Personally I think all religion should be abolished, but that is an arguement for another time. Keeping on topic please Spoffin, but to comment on your last post, they should take up our religions and wear our clothes because they choose to come to western civilisation, it is only polite to adopt the basic nature of your neighbours so as to fit in.

-Phil.

Spoffin, read my posts little man, read the posts. I stated I was refering to young people of middle-eastern heritage.

Those two examples are lifted directly from an issue of the Guardian, the Sun and the Mirror. I forget how long ago it was but feel free to research.

The Asian racists seeking to dominate the country was abit OTT but ah well, I call it creative license, much like you took creative license in calling me a racist bigot leader ;)

-Phil.
The racist bigot leader was whatever particular daytime chat host or convicted criminal who's lines you're parroting, not you yourself. And I'm not going to research an article which you might've made up yourself.

Well, you choose not to believe things I say, I suggest you research them you refuse to on the off-chance I made them up myself. As for the racist bigot leader etc. I do have my own opinions, it is actually possible that controversial and extremist views can come to people without outside interference.

-Phil.

They are executed for a crime, that of illegal entry into the country. If they already disregard our laws, it doesn't bode well does it?Execution for all crimes of whatever severity, interesting. I know that I plan to stay on the right side of the law. I have less hopes for you, given how dangerously close you are to crossing the line of "inciting racial hatred".


I am not racist towards the entire Asian community, only against middle-eastern Asians, primarily those of a young age. People live near me who are Asian, people in my local corner shop are Asian, but they work hard and I respect them and like them as people, but the students at my college show what the future generation will be.
See, now logical people, upon experiencing nice asian people and not-nice asian people, would choose to dislike merely the not-nice group of people, in a way that is not connected with the colour of their skin.

If we have one person working and their family even if only their wife and two children, they will recieve benefits to aid their living, for what reason? What have they contributed to our country?You're right. We should deport or shoot every useless person. UKIP membership roll is about to shorten significantly, I think.

England is a country, Britian is a united set of countries. Therefore Britain is not a country ;)
See, now that's just wrong.

The greatest one, was a woman who was forced to remove an advert from a window which read:

Seeks hard working individual.

Apparently it discriminated against people who are not hard working.

Welcome to England, Realm of the Labour Government.

-Phil.

Funny, I would have thought it discriminated against siamese twins for not being "individual."


Oh! Sorry, Conjoint twins.

Actually I also have known more people from Muslim and Hindu communities to be casually racist than any other.
Yeah, see, nothing but anecdotal evidence... not generally a good way to convince people of your ideas. If they don't have personal experience, then they really can't identify with your arguement.

Yeah, see, nothing but anecdotal evidence... not generally a good way to convince people of your ideas. If they don't have personal experience, then they really can't identify with your arguement.

True, but I'm relating my experience.
In balance some of the most English people I know have Hindu or Muslim parents.
It seems to be in the ones that I know to be casually racist that their parents encourage them to think that they live in Asia and are only here on holiday. It's not so much their fault.
Either way, this seems to be dying out now more and more.

Well, you choose not to believe things I say, I suggest you research them you refuse to on the off-chance I made them up myself. As for the racist bigot leader etc. I do have my own opinions, it is actually possible that controversial and extremist views can come to people without outside interference.

-Phil.
No, see, that lacks an understanding of a thing called the "burden of proof". It is incumbant of you to back up your statements (especially where they conflict with common sense), before it becomes incumbant on me to disprove what you say.

Personally I think all religion should be abolished, but that is an arguement for another time. Keeping on topic please Spoffin, but to comment on your last post, they should take up our religions and wear our clothes because they choose to come to western civilisation, it is only polite to adopt the basic nature of your neighbours so as to fit in.

-Phil.
It would be equally polite of your neighbours to accept you and, y-know, not brick your windows, regardless of your dress, accent or mannerisms.

True, but I'm relating my experience.
In balance some of the most English people I know have Hindu or Muslim parents.
It seems to be in the ones that I know to be casually racist that their parents encourage them to think that they live in Asia and are only here on holiday. It's not so much their fault.
Either way, this seems to be dying out now more and more.
Well that's fine, but the way you'd said it before was as if you thought it would disprove or contradict the things that I was saying.

Hmmm, you seem to picture me as a burly, shaved head racist with slogans tattooed on their skin. I have never offered ill-will to anyone based on their skin colour. I base my views not on their skin colour but on their beliefs, their traditions and their attitude.

I would mention, Spoffin, you have offered nothing to this conversation at all. You have not even disproven anything anyone has said, merely made petty jibes. Interesting.

I am pro death penalty, yes. Tell me Spoffin, why would you see the UKIP killed hmmm?

Brutanion, the views of the parents may influene the views of the child, but they DO have their own free will...

Spoffin, do you intend to add anything useful to this conversation or just circle it from above?

-Phil.

Could you give me an example of where I was inciting racial hatred?

Cheers,
-Phil.

Well that's fine, but the way you'd said it before was as if you thought it would disprove or contradict the things that I was saying.

It's to demonstrate that it's not only he who has found that Asians are the most casually racist group.
Again though, most of this was from the so called 'Asian Massive' which was a group of them who pretended they were hard and could actually win in a fight against a hamster and then went home to ami and wanted to become a doctor.
They tended to leave me alone for a reason not at all related to me throwing two of them over a small wall for annoying me too much.

Hmmm, you seem to picture me as a burly, shaved head racist with slogans tattooed on their skin. I have never offered ill-will to anyone based on their skin colour. I base my views not on their skin colour but on their beliefs, their traditions and their attitude.

I would mention, Spoffin, you have offered nothing to this conversation at all. You have not even disproven anything anyone has said, merely made petty jibes. Interesting.

I am pro death penalty, yes. Tell me Spoffin, why would you see the UKIP killed hmmm?

Spoffin, do you intend to add anything useful to this conversation or just circle it from above?

-Phil.
1) That's no better

2) I can't believe that you actually think this thread is worth serious response

3) Loaded question, I don't want to see them killed, I'm merely taking your policies on law (unjust ones such as deporting immigrants inciting racial hatred) and punishment (death penalty for petty offences) and combining them together, to create a society which you would probably enjoy even less than the illegal immigrants

4) Circle from above, pretty much. I'm sure you can snatch a snippet or two of decent point from my humour, but I'm here to entertain myself more than to argue seriously with you.

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See, now logical people, upon experiencing nice asian people and not-nice asian people, would choose to dislike merely the not-nice group of people, in a way that is not connected with the colour of their skin.
[quote/]

I think he has made it clear that he does not like this particular group because of their culture, (supposed laziness, racism etc.) not the color of their skin.

I don't think, however, that when they immigrate LEGALLY, they should be forced to abandon their culture entirely, but they SHOULD learn the language, work hard, etc.

And those of you who refer to him (us) as racist, you only assist to prove our point that PC is rampant and usually irrational.

I think he has made it clear that he does not like this particular group because of their culture, (supposed laziness, racism etc.) not the color of their skin.Y'all get very hung up when I say "colour of their skin". I'm talking about ethinic origin, whilst putting forward the point that, so far as I'm concerned, race is basically skin deep. Its not to be taken literally.

"See, now logical people, upon experiencing nice asian people and not-nice asian people, would choose to dislike merely the not-nice group of people, in a way that is not connected and which you do not identify as being connected with their race."

Better?

I don't think, however, that when they immigrate LEGALLY, they should be forced to abandon their culture entirely, but they SHOULD learn the language, work hard, etc.Well, see now here's the difference. I think that EVERYONE in the country should try to work hard, and be able to speak English. I don't limit these responsibilities to those of a particular background.

And those of you who refer to him (us) as racist, you only assist to prove our point that PC is rampant and usually irrational.
*gets out tin foil hat*

Argh, damn, that's me being all glib and silly again.

Political correctness is not, despite everything you'll insist, the root of all evil. It is a product of a system that has been unable for centuries to treat all people as equals. Rampant? I hope so. Irrational? Not really. Avoiding insulting people, either passively or actively, is a pretty rational thing I'd say.

Right, Wednesday, part of my college time table is the Young Enterprise project. Basically students set up their own working business under the eye of a professor, a businessman and finally their own advisor sent from Pertemps. Now me and my three mates are all white males and went into business together because we only knew each other in the class and everyone was making their own groups.

Week 2: We are not allowed such a small group, so we get three girls, two of whom are of Asian ethnicity.

Week 3: Said girls change to pottery.

Week 4: New white girl joins and two more while males.

Week 5: Pertemps advisor arrives, she is Asian and then complains that our business is ignorant of Equal Opportunities and that she is offended by the fact that the company is full of white males. We argue that we had two Asian girls but they both left, not good enough. Eventually, we tell her there is no choice, we cannot hire anyone else so tough shit.

My point in this mini-rant is that Equal Opportunities, Political Correctness and general fear of being considered racist by our peers is turning the world upside down.

The fact we can be ridiculed, each of us who are doing A level business and know almost every Act in existence between us, by a woman who speaks broken English and probably arrived in our country three weeks ago, can insult our codes of conduct because they are discriminative ridiculous. Especially given the fact we recruited people of an ethnic background.

Moving away from this, the term half-caste being deemed racist by white men. Ridiculous. My step-grand dads were both black, a quater of my family are half-caste, yet if I call someone half-caste I am being racist. I ask you, people of the world, has political correctness gone to the shitter?

-Phil.

Don't worry about it. All this will fall quickly by the wayside once these "politically correct" students get out into the real world and start their own businesses. The market is no respector of persons ... if you market a quality product, people will buy; if you don't, no amount of political correctness will save you.

Some people just find it offensive because of it's mention of caste. Would it be so much trouble to say 'mixed-race'?


Why not go one step further and say "persons of international origin",
because we wouldn't want to cause offense now.

I live in a place called Swindon and there is a team called "Swindon asians", I wonder what the response would be if someone tried to set up a team called "Swindon whites".

I just found out something interesting and without any other comment I'd like to throw it into the mix.

The Office of National statistics have just published figures that Britain's 1.6 million muslims have the most children, are least likely to own their home, have the worst health and highest unemployment rates and the fewest qualification of an religious group in Britian.

I'm not making a point (I don't think) I just wanted to gauge a response.

Personally I think all religion should be abolished, but that is an arguement for another time. Keeping on topic please Spoffin, but to comment on your last post, they should take up our religions and wear our clothes because they choose to come to western civilisation, it is only polite to adopt the basic nature of your neighbours so as to fit in.

-Phil.
Given the number of Christians and Jews who have died fighting for the right of religious freedom, I would consider someone who converted 'out of politeness' to be giving a deadly insult. Staying true to your own religious beliefs (or alternatively, converting out of an honest belief in your new faith) is a better way to be polite.
Hell, an athiest or agnostic who holds to a strict moral code can claim to belong to "God's loyal opposition".

Hell, an athiest or agnostic who holds to a strict moral code can claim to belong to "God's loyal opposition".
ooh, i like that!

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I ask you, people of the world, has political correctness gone to the shitter?
-Phil.
No, it just never elevated itself from there. It is an exercise in intellectual masturbation based on an Orwellian concept that is, at best, extremely elitist, facist and counterproductive. Look around you at the backlash. Why not just say, "Play Nice" and have done with it.

Damn white people, always making everyone's lives horrible! We should ban white people. No more allowed anywhere. Only minorities. Than the minority will be the majority and then they will make everyone's lives horrible, by default. The cycle never ends...
I met a white person once. She was Scottish. I think it is politically incorrect to call people whose skin is pink "White." Think of the poor Albinos!

No, it just never elevated itself from there. It is an exercise in intellectual masturbation based on an Orwellian concept that is, at best, extremely elitist, facist and counterproductive. Look around you at the backlash. Why not just say, "Play Nice" and have done with it.

I agree with that.
The trick is not to become overexcited about 'equality' and start forcing quotas on people but to truly accept all as the same and just hire people based on their qualifications and abilities.

Hi Phil,
Here's the deal, basically yes pc has gone to the shitter. There is a large majority of people that have a chip on their shoulders, and if those people ever come into a position of power...your peaceful life if basically over! No matter what you say or do, will ever be good enough to convince them that the world and many of the good people on it, are not all out to get them. So here's my advice, do what you have to do to get the mark you need, and get the hell out of that class!

On political correctness, affirmative action, hate crime legislation, slave reparations, etc...

Those are examples of liberalism being supplanted by the minorities.

Liberalism at its core is the belief that everyone is equal. They joined with every civil rights movement you can think of to get every minority group (and women) equal rights. That process is still going with gays, and won't be finished for a long time.

But eventually, there is a tendency to go overboard. Instead of equal rights, you want special rights. After being oppressed for so long, you feel you deserve something to make up for it.

Liberals need to resist this tendency and remember, EQUALITY.

We've fought so hard to eradicate oppression of minorities, now we must resist the urge to put the minorities up on a pedestal.

If you want to vote conservative though, be my guest...I'd prefer to try to fix the problems within my own camp (I don't like saying party because I'm not registered as any.)

Personally I think all religion should be abolished, but that is an arguement for another time. Keeping on topic please Spoffin, but to comment on your last post, they should take up our religions and wear our clothes because they choose to come to western civilisation, it is only polite to adopt the basic nature of your neighbours so as to fit in.

-Phil.
Dude/Mate/Whatever: If to you religion is optimally done away with, why make other adopt something you, as a British subject, have no use for?

True, but I'm relating my experience.
In balance some of the most English people I know have Hindu or Muslim parents.
It seems to be in the ones that I know to be casually racist that their parents encourage them to think that they live in Asia and are only here on holiday. It's not so much their fault.
Either way, this seems to be dying out now more and more.
By the third or fourth generation they will in all liklihood meld into the society they have lived in. Look at the American experience with immigrants. There is a cultural identity that dwindles as intermarriage and socialization occurs.

By the third or fourth generation they will in all liklihood meld into the society they have lived in. Look at the American experience with immigrants. There is a cultural identity that dwindles as intermarriage and socialization occurs.

Bingo. Eventually, when the interracial population of America grows to a sizable amount (it's 4% and rising), political correctness AND racism will go out the window.

In Australia, in highschool on every major exam you take when you graduate, there is a box saying "I am an Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander". If you tick that box with good reason, you are guaranteed to pass. I'm not a racist but that makes me sick. :(

The fact we can be ridiculed, each of us who are doing A level business and know almost every Act in existence between us, by a woman who speaks broken English and probably arrived in our country three weeks ago, can insult our codes of conduct because they are discriminative ridiculous. Especially given the fact we recruited people of an ethnic background.


So the thing that irks you is that you are being ridiculed? Your pride is hurt because someone is taking the piss out of you? And it hurts more that the someone in question is female and an immigrant?

What makes it "our" country? Just because you are a citizen of a country doesn't mean you own it.

How does the length of time a person has been in a particular country qualify them to comment on your behaviour?

How does a person's ability to speak any given language qualify them to comment on your behaviour? You are making comments about this woman's behaviour and I'm sure she speaks English better than you speak her language.

Do you really think that being a pupil in an A level business studies class should protect you from ridicule?

Do you really think that you and your mates between you know the entirety of English law? In that case you should quit your business studies class and become legal consultants.

I agree with you that it is often difficult to hire people from ethnic minorities. I agree that it is ridiculous to try to enforce in a school situation some kind of affirmative action that can't be enforced in real life. From your tone and the things you say, though, I wonder what this woman actually said to you, and I wonder whether someone with less weird views about nationality, language and immigration would have cared.

In Australia, in highschool on every major exam you take when you graduate, there is a box saying "I am an Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander". If you tick that box with good reason, you are guaranteed to pass. I'm not a racist but that makes me sick. :(

It will be because of this "pass exam for free" tick box that abos get all the best jobs eh?

Right, Wednesday, part of my college time table is the Young Enterprise project. Basically students set up their own working business under the eye of a professor, a businessman and finally their own advisor sent from Pertemps. Now me and my three mates are all white males and went into business together because we only knew each other in the class and everyone was making their own groups.

Week 2: We are not allowed such a small group, so we get three girls, two of whom are of Asian ethnicity.

Week 3: Said girls change to pottery.

Week 4: New white girl joins and two more while males.

Week 5: Pertemps advisor arrives, she is Asian and then complains that our business is ignorant of Equal Opportunities and that she is offended by the fact that the company is full of white males. We argue that we had two Asian girls but they both left, not good enough. Eventually, we tell her there is no choice, we cannot hire anyone else so tough shit.

My point in this mini-rant is that Equal Opportunities, Political Correctness and general fear of being considered racist by our peers is turning the world upside down.

The fact we can be ridiculed, each of us who are doing A level business and know almost every Act in existence between us, by a woman who speaks broken English and probably arrived in our country three weeks ago, can insult our codes of conduct because they are discriminative ridiculous. Especially given the fact we recruited people of an ethnic background.

Moving away from this, the term half-caste being deemed racist by white men. Ridiculous. My step-grand dads were both black, a quater of my family are half-caste, yet if I call someone half-caste I am being racist. I ask you, people of the world, has political correctness gone to the shitter?

-Phil.


There is a poem as to why the term half-caste should not be used. The term half indicates to people of 'mixed race' (as you should call them). If you did call someone half-caste, I doubt a sensible person of the said ethnicity would call you a racist. You would however appear slightly ignorant.

On the above example, yes that situation is pretty petty, although I would argue that this woman is misguided rather than necessarily paranoid. But the term political correctness gets a bad press. There is nothing wrong with calling people non-offensive terms. Would you call an elderly man a silly old codger/git/sod'? Would you call a German 'Fritz/Jerry/Hun?' I don't think so. You should have the foresight to look into what you should call people, and what is generally acceptable i.e. the term black opposed to coloured (as White/Pink/Orange if you're David Dickinson are also colours) etc. Newspapers like the Daily Mail jump onto the old anti-PC bandwagon rather than actually doing sommat about the situation which is to educate their suburban middle English readers as to what you should and shouldn't say.

Political Correctness can be taken too far, I agree. But it is there for a reason so don't slate it.

On political correctness, affirmative action, hate crime legislation, slave reparations, etc...

Those are examples of liberalism being supplanted by the minorities.

Liberalism at its core is the belief that everyone is equal. They joined with every civil rights movement you can think of to get every minority group (and women) equal rights. That process is still going with gays, and won't be finished for a long time.

But eventually, there is a tendency to go overboard. Instead of equal rights, you want special rights. After being oppressed for so long, you feel you deserve something to make up for it.

Liberals need to resist this tendency and remember, EQUALITY.

We've fought so hard to eradicate oppression of minorities, now we must resist the urge to put the minorities up on a pedestal.

If you want to vote conservative though, be my guest...I'd prefer to try to fix the problems within my own camp (I don't like saying party because I'm not registered as any.)
Thing is though, either you have open affirmitave action that helps to balance the scales, or you have regular racism behind closed doors that serves to disenfranchise them.

There is a poem as to why the term half-caste should not be used. The term half indicates to people of 'mixed race' (as you should call them). If you did call someone half-caste, I doubt a sensible person of the said ethnicity would call you a racist. You would however appear slightly ignorant.
I really liked that poem actually.

Half Caste
John Agard

Excuse me
standing on one leg
I'm half-caste
Explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when picasso
mix red an green
is a half-caste canvas/
explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when light an shadow
mix in de sky
is a half-caste weather/
well in dat case
england weather
nearly always half-caste
in fact some o dem cloud
half-caste till dem overcast
so spiteful dem dont want de sun pass
ah rass/
explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean tchaikovsky
sit down at dah piano
an mix a black key
wid a white key
is a half-caste symphony/
Explain yuself
wha yu mean
Ah listening to yu wid de keen
half of mih ear
Ah lookin at yu wid de keen
half of mih eye
and when I'm introduced to yu
I'm sure you'll
understand
why I offer yu half-a-hand
an when I sleep at night
I close half-a-eye
consequently when I dream
I dream half-a-dream
an when moon begin to glow
I half-caste human being
cast half-a-shadow
but yu must come back tomorrow
wid de whole of yu eye
an de whole of yu ear
an de whole of yu mind
an I will tell yu
de other half
of my story

I just found out something interesting and without any other comment I'd like to throw it into the mix.

The Office of National statistics have just published figures that Britain's 1.6 million muslims have the most children, are least likely to own their home, have the worst health and highest unemployment rates and the fewest qualification of an religious group in Britian.

I'm not making a point (I don't think) I just wanted to gauge a response.
Right. But you see, rather than inferring a racial laziness/lack of motivation from those statistics, I see it as an alarming social trend that, for whatever reason, means that Asians aren't able to do as well in the areas you mentioned.

When you compare these stats and attitudes to the ones regarding asians in the USA, you get a markedy different story. This at least should provide some evidence that its not a global racial trait, but rather a society-specific one.

Political Correctness had gone mad about the time we had to start referring to Mental Retardation as 'Intellectual disability'. Don't even get me started on Winterval.

Political Correctness had gone mad about the time we had to start referring to Mental Retardation as 'Intellectual disability'. Don't even get me started on Winterval.
Right, yeah, avoiding insulting people = mad.

Ironic that your example was mental health, and you used the word "mad" to describe the state of political correctness.

Winterval is another one of the anti-pc lies. "Happy holidays", as opposed to "Merry Christmas" might be a legitimate PC term, Winterval is... nothing.

Honest to god, I find the anti-pc thing so pathetic. How difficult is it avoid calling a disabled person "Mr Wheeley" or some such? The only thing I can figure is that you want to just be able to look down on people

Right, yeah, avoiding insulting people = mad.

Ironic that your example was mental health, and you used the word "mad" to describe the state of political correctness.

Winterval is another one of the anti-pc lies. "Happy holidays", as opposed to "Merry Christmas" might be a legitimate PC term, Winterval is... nothing.

Honest to god, I find the anti-pc thing so pathetic. How difficult is it avoid calling a disabled person "Mr Wheeley" or some such? The only thing I can figure is that you want to just be able to look down on people

There is no irony. I was using the word 'mad' to paraphrase the title of the thread, and mental retardation is not a form of madness.

The words 'Mental Retardation' are not inherently insulting! This is the point - after a few years, people will decide that 'Intellectual disability' is also insulting, so we'll have to call it something different. And again, a few years after that. People just want to be insulted. Mental Retardation is a perfect description of the condition.

Anyway, you don't have to be a retard for me to look down on you. I have an arrogant streak a mile wide.

Finally, Winterval is not a lie. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/210672.stm

The words 'Mental Retardation' are not inherently insulting! This is the point - after a few years, people will decide that 'Intellectual disability' is also insulting, so we'll have to call it something different. And again, a few years after that. People just want to be insulted. Mental Retardation is a perfect description of the condition.
People should be called what describes them best. All people with black skin are Black, not all are from Africa. Retarded is a word that means you have an IQ below a certain level, a person who could do triple integrals in his head but couldn't spell integral might have a "mental disability" but that doesn't mean anything.

There is no irony. I was using the word 'mad' to paraphrase the title of the thread, and mental retardation is not a form of madness.

The words 'Mental Retardation' are not inherently insulting! This is the point - after a few years, people will decide that 'Intellectual disability' is also insulting, so we'll have to call it something different. And again, a few years after that. People just want to be insulted. Mental Retardation is a perfect description of the condition.

Anyway, you don't have to be a retard for me to look down on you. I have an arrogant streak a mile wide.

Yes, mental retardation may, at one point, have held no offence. Now it does. The same is true of "Negro". Both were terms coined at a time when the attitude towards mentally ill and black people respectively were not exactly progressive. A new term, to distance yourself from the attitudes of the past, is not exactly a bad idea.

Yes, mental retardation may, at one point, have held no offence. Now it does. The same is true of "Negro". Both were terms coined at a time when the attitude towards mentally ill and black people respectively were not exactly progressive. A new term, to distance yourself from the attitudes of the past, is not exactly a bad idea.

Very true. Language structures our thought processes to a very considerable degree.

Right, Wednesday, part of my college time table is the Young Enterprise project. Basically students set up their own working business under the eye of a professor, a businessman and finally their own advisor sent from Pertemps. Now me and my three mates are all white males and went into business together because we only knew each other in the class and everyone was making their own groups.

Week 2: We are not allowed such a small group, so we get three girls, two of whom are of Asian ethnicity.

Week 3: Said girls change to pottery.

Week 4: New white girl joins and two more while males.

Week 5: Pertemps advisor arrives, she is Asian and then complains that our business is ignorant of Equal Opportunities and that she is offended by the fact that the company is full of white males. We argue that we had two Asian girls but they both left, not good enough. Eventually, we tell her there is no choice, we cannot hire anyone else so tough shit.

My point in this mini-rant is that Equal Opportunities, Political Correctness and general fear of being considered racist by our peers is turning the world upside down.

The fact we can be ridiculed, each of us who are doing A level business and know almost every Act in existence between us, by a woman who speaks broken English and probably arrived in our country three weeks ago, can insult our codes of conduct because they are discriminative ridiculous. Especially given the fact we recruited people of an ethnic background.

Her criticism of you is ridiculous; your statements about her are offensive. I think both of you have problems you should be honest about and confront.

Moving away from this, the term half-caste being deemed racist by white men. Ridiculous. My step-grand dads were both black, a quater of my family are half-caste, yet if I call someone half-caste I am being racist.

I don't know what "half-caste" is, may I ask where you're from and what you're talking about?

I ask you, people of the world, has political correctness gone to the shitter?

Everything in moderation. :)