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If you have the courage to actually LISTEN:

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/flipflop.htm

Note to leftists, wild-eyed or not: You may now commence flamming! :)

Boring.
A movie like that needs more animation and a song.

Boring.
A movie like that needs more animation and a song.
I'll second that... or explosions

hello

I'll second that... or explosions
ziggy buggy doo

how can i talk to someone in private?

can you guys send me an email at gamerhalo@rock.com in like 3 hours?

gtg

can you guys send me an email at gamerhalo@rock.com in like 3 hours?

gtg
WTF is this guy on?

bye bye

wtf do u mean?

WTF is this guy on?

Let's sing.
Spam spam spam spam
Spam spam spam spam
Lovely spam, wonderful spam

wtf do u mean?
what do you think this is?

a chat?

a chat?
well... it isn't

well i gtg,ill put you down some other time

its a forum

gtg bye cya later and if someone is NICE enough to be my friend say "I"

gtg bye cya later and if someone is NICE enough to be my friend say "I"

Sorry, we're all evil pirates, Satanists, terrorists and lawyers here.
Oh and there's a fish too, but you have to guess which one he is.

If you have the courage to actually LISTEN:

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/flipflop.htm

Note to leftists, wild-eyed or not: You may now commence flamming! :)

*yawn* Heard this before (like 2 months ago). It's well-done propaganda, but it's still based on the same misrepresentations of what Kerry's said. I think that the debates have pretty much shown the public the lack of veracity in this.

:gundge:

forum my ass

... based on the same misrepresentations of what Kerry's said.

So quoting Kerry's actual statements are called "misrepresentations?" Hmmm. Something wrong with this picture. :rolleyes:

So... Kerry's actual statements are misrepresentations?
Hmmm.

Exhibit A.

Inaccurate, but still very clever.

"No matter what side you're on, John Kerry is on your side."

Exhibit A.

Arggg! Your eloquence has overwhelmed me! Alas! I shall have to change my name and move to Australia to avoid the shame! The pain! The pain!

Inaccurate, but still very clever.

"No matter what side you're on, John Kerry is on your side."

Technically isn't that what politicians are supposed to do?
Try to at least look like they're pleasing all the people all the time.

Arggg! Your eloquence has overwhelmed me! Alas! I shall have to change my name and move to Australia to avoid the shame! The pain! The pain!

The only way to avoid this kind of shame is to take a bath in acid and then roll around in salt.

The only way to avoid this kind of shame is to take a bath in acid and then roll around in salt.

Verily, I shall do so at once! And in addition crawl on my knees through glass shards to worship at the feet of Kerry the Almighty, Kerry the munificent, Kerry, whose merest word alters the course of mighty rivers and causes terrorists to self-immolate saving us the cost of an army to save us!

Verily, I shall do so at once! And in addition crawl on my knees through glass shards to worship at the feet of Kerry the Almighty, Kerry the munificent, Kerry, whose merest word alters the course of mighty rivers and causes terrorists to self-immolate saving us the cost of an army to save us!

Put the video on eBay.

Verily, I shall do so at once! And in addition crawl on my knees through glass shards to worship at the feet of Kerry the Almighty, Kerry the munificent, Kerry, whose merest word alters the course of mighty rivers and causes terrorists to self-immolate saving us the cost of an army to save us!
I dare you!
:cool:

So quoting Kerry's actual statements are called "misrepresentations?" Hmmm. Something wrong with this picture. :rolleyes:

If you honestly don't see the difference between a valid, contextual quote and a 5 second blurb taken from different speeches, then I see why Republican propaganda appeals to you.

Yes, yes, taking one blurb about he thinks we have a responsibility to disarm Saddam, then juxtaposing it with "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" ignores the fact that Kerry's support for disarming Saddam and Bush's method of bringing it about aren't the same. Which is a prime example of how the Bush campaign has been spinning it since the beginning. I'm really, really tired of seeing these ridiculous claims of flip flopping that are based on nothing more than taking quotations out of context. If you're just going to keep spinning it the same, tired way, I'm the one that should be rolling my eyes.

Verily, I shall do so at once! And in addition crawl on my knees through glass shards to worship at the feet of Kerry the Almighty, Kerry the munificent, Kerry, whose merest word alters the course of mighty rivers and causes terrorists to self-immolate saving us the cost of an army to save us!

Okay, but you'll be worshipping an idiot. Which really makes no change at all does it? :D

Okay, but you'll be worshipping an idiot. Which really makes no change at all does it? :D

No change? But Kerry gave me 10 cents for my dollar. Isn't that change???

I thought this was going to be a Clinton thread! ;)

With the two current knuckleheads. It's interesting to hear a "flip-flopper" complain about another "flip-flopper."

Ahh well.

If Kerry's performance in the last three debates did not manage to dispel that smear about him being a "flip-flopper", I don't know what will.

If Kerry's performance in the last three debates did not manage to dispel that smear about him being a "flip-flopper", I don't know what will.

Ummm .... how about "nothing!" :)

Ummm .... how about "nothing!" :)

Nothing will if people aren't willing to try and lay aside their biases for just a minute, true.

Nothing will if people aren't willing to try and lay aside their biases for just a minute, true.

I wish someone would perform a true service for humanity and drop Michael Moore from a height of 1,200 feet ... right on top of John Kerry! :D

Verily, I shall do so at once! And in addition crawl on my knees through glass shards to worship at the feet of Kerry the Almighty, Kerry the munificent, Kerry, whose merest word alters the course of mighty rivers and causes terrorists to self-immolate saving us the cost of an army to save us!
Don't forget helping the lame to walk, and the blind to see.

I wish someone would perform a true service for humanity and drop Michael Moore from a height of 1,200 feet ... right on top of John Kerry! :D

Only if we can drop Ann Coulter on top of the shrub! ;)

Only if we can drop Ann Coulter on top of the shrub! ;)

Heh. If I were inclined to value humyn lives over others, I'd gladly take losing Kerry and Moore for getting rid of Dubya and Coulter any day.

Well, even with the creative editing it's still an obvious misrepresentation of his position:

narrator: "If you thing we spent too much money on the war, John Kerry agrees with you."
Kerry: "I would not have made the wrong choices that are now forcing us to pay nearly the entire cost of this war ..."

narrator: "If you think it was wrong to vote against the 87 billion dollars to arm our troops, John Kerry agreed."
Kerry: "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq. That's irresponsible. There's a way to do this properly. But I don't think any one in the congress is not going to give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves."
narrator: "If you think it was right to vote against the 87 billion dollars, then John Kerry also agrees with you."

Um, correctly if I'm wrong, but weren't there two different $87 billion bills?

narrator: "If you think it's wrong to go it alone in a war, John Kerry agrees."
Kerry: "Going it alone in Iraq; that's the wrong choice, that's the wrong direction."
narrator: "If you think it's ok to go it alone, John Kerry agrees with you."
Kerry: "The president as I also wrote in that article, always reserves the right to act unilaterally to protect the interest of our country."

Near as I can tell, Kerry thinks that it is sometimes ok to go it alone, and sometimes it's not, and it this particular case it's not. That's not what the narrator said.

narrator: "More positions than any other candidate, and the courage to stand by all of them."
Um, I don't think he is saying that Saddam had WMD just prior to the war anymore. Which would make the narrator a liar.

Look, Kerry's changed some of his positions, and he has the polititian's habit of not answering questions directly. BUT this piece of sleeze is what's known as a strawman attack: rather that attack what he said, they're misrepresnting what he said and attacking that. Try coming up with an honest attack next time.

P.S.
Sometimes it's appropriate to change one's mind. Complete rigidity is a bad thing in a leader.

Near as I can tell, Kerry thinks that it is sometimes ok to go it alone, and sometimes it's not, and it this particular case it's not. That's not what the narrator said.

That's not what Kerry is saying...

What Kerry is saying is that if it came down to being a necessity, in the interest of American safety, American ALWAYS has the right to go it alone, however, President Bush did not do a good enough job of using diplomacy in Kerry's opinion. Unilateralism may be necessary to save American lives, but it should be option #1.

So quoting Kerry's actual statements are called "misrepresentations?" Hmmm. Something wrong with this picture. :rolleyes:It's possible, by taking statements out of context. But the narrator is lying about what Kerry's statements say, even out of context. Now that's chutzpah.

That's not what Kerry is saying...

What Kerry is saying is that if it came down to being a necessity, in the interest of American safety, American ALWAYS has the right to go it alone, however, President Bush did not do a good enough job of using diplomacy in Kerry's opinion. Unilateralism may be necessary to save American lives, but it should be option #1.Ah, thank you. That makes sense. I was going on sound bites taken out of context...

So quoting Kerry's actual statements are called "misrepresentations?" Hmmm. Something wrong with this picture. :rolleyes:
You "misunderestimate" the power of context.