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You can see the actual paperwork at the Smoking Gun. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html) Now, a lawsuit is hardly proof of guilt, but the Smoking Gun seems to believe due to the extensive quoting in the claim that the plaintiff has some of it on tape. This should be interesting, at least as interesting as Limbaugh's dance of the oxycodone.

I hate Bill O'reilly. I hope he gets thrown in jail for it, guilty or not.

Could be a political stunt, could be the real thing.

Well, it's a civil matter, so jail time isn't an option, but O'Reilley and Fox News could lose a pretty large chunk of change if she can make the case, not to mention that O'Reilley could lose his reputation along the way.

Savage was in top form today on this topic. Going on and on about a conspiracy to take down the conservative media, while admitting that in previuos cases (ie Limbaugh) the conservative was guilty. He then went on to say that if the things O'Reilly is accused of saying were said, he hopes for his sake that they weren't on tape. It was Neoconservative hypocrisy on parade..."Gosh, I hope this guy on my side isn't caught, we have to fight leftist immorality!"

On the actual issue, I'll watch with slight interest, but I have so little respect for the rightist pundits that I really don't care.

I hate Bill O'reilly. I hope he gets thrown in jail for it, guilty or not.

Fully agreed. Thats what i hope too. Moreover, i hope even more justice prevails. No political agenda to set him or free or put him in jail, no discrimination because he's rich -- in either way.

It makes for an interesting side show at least. It's just nice to see these blowhards who are constantly prating on about family values and morality getting busted. Reminds me of when I was a kid and every television evangelist in the area was suddenly getting busted with mistresses or hookers--it was beautiful.

the ramblings about Al Frankin where hillarious and spooky all at once. I might have to listen to Air America tommorrow to see what Franken says...

I like oreilly, but I dont like it when he gets into the morality stuff. It isnt his place to define my morality for me. Thankfully he has stopped doing that these days. I would love to see if this case has any merit. I dont think it will but I am just guessing.

I just finished reading the Carribean shower scene...man, what a riot that was. If it is true, Bill O'Reilly is going to get hit hard.

Well, it's a civil matter, so jail time isn't an option, but O'Reilley and Fox News could lose a pretty large chunk of change if she can make the case, not to mention that O'Reilley could lose his reputation along the way.

What reputation?!

For being an idiot?

Oreilly never bothered me too much.

He at least has the sense to call himself an independant, which earns him some respect automatically, in my book. He's criticized other conservatives, even the president a few times. And he at least seems to have a sensible thought in his head, unlike some walking caricatures of propoganda I could name...Ann Coulter... ;)

I feel like I could actually engage in a real debate with him, or Sean Hannity...unlike Michael Savage or Coulter.



and this is coming from a liberal... :)

Yeah, he may call himself an independent, but he's a registered Republican. He's an obnoxious blowhard, and I'm still confused as to how he has fans with IQs in the double digits.

Savage was in top form today on this topic. Going on and on about a conspiracy to take down the conservative media, while admitting that in previuos cases (ie Limbaugh) the conservative was guilty. He then went on to say that if the things O'Reilly is accused of saying were said, he hopes for his sake that they weren't on tape. It was Neoconservative hypocrisy on parade..."Gosh, I hope this guy on my side isn't caught, we have to fight leftist immorality!"

On the actual issue, I'll watch with slight interest, but I have so little respect for the rightist pundits that I really don't care.
ROFL, O'Reilly is the "NO SPIN" guy. He's not conservative....ARFARFARF!!!

There's his pornographic book and book on tape, that stuff is hilarious. To hear O'Reilly talking dirty is just too much. Just adds to the luster of this whole scandal.

Yeah, he may call himself an independent, but he's a registered Republican. He's an obnoxious blowhard, and I'm still confused as to how he has fans with IQs in the double digits.

As opposed to say... Dan Rather? :)

Oreilly never bothered me too much.

He at least has the sense to call himself an independant, which earns him some respect automatically, in my book. He's criticized other conservatives, even the president a few times. And he at least seems to have a sensible thought in his head, unlike some walking caricatures of propoganda I could name...Ann Coulter... ;)

I feel like I could actually engage in a real debate with him, or Sean Hannity...unlike Michael Savage or Coulter.

and this is coming from a liberal... :)

O'Reilly, while very opinionated, isn't a pundit like Franken or Limbaugh.
I don't like everything he says, but it's his show.
Did you see him on The Daily Show a little while back? HYSTERICAL!!

I'm skeptical. I don't doubt that he said these things, but I have another question. Why does she have long recordings of these conversations? I mean, if she didn't want to listen to it at the time, couldn't she leave? Couldn't she hang up the phone? Also, what are the odds of this guy spilling his personal fantasies to someone who doesn't want to hear them? His comments look highly personal...I have a hard time believing that he made them to someone who made it clear they didn't want to be in the conversation.

I'm guessing it is a woman who found it interesting to listen to at the time, all the while knowing she had "dirt" on the guy, and now she's claiming sexual harrassment for a situation that she could have defused long ago by walking away from these conversations, or if need be, record one and let a producer or something listen to it. This probably could have been taken care of in-house very quickly. But there is no money in that.

Maybe there are other circumstances that will help her case...but I have a hard time victimizing her based on what I've read so far.

and with her being counter sued for blackmail and her lawyer being a democratic contributer i smell a rat.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/10/13/entertainment1826EDT0696.DTL

I think the point is that nobody's perfect. This is why nobody believes anyone who tries to make out that they are, and they love to see them pulled down, because it's poetic justice.

It reminds me of a survey done in 1877 on opiate use and dispensation through Maine pharmacies, and of all the people who had a regular habit, the only one one pharmacist reported was a very vocal prohibition speaker. Everybody likes to see a hypocrit fall down.

You can see the actual paperwork at the Smoking Gun. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html) Now, a lawsuit is hardly proof of guilt, but the Smoking Gun seems to believe due to the extensive quoting in the claim that the plaintiff has some of it on tape. This should be interesting, at least as interesting as Limbaugh's dance of the oxycodone.

Interesting.

I'm skeptical. I don't doubt that he said these things, but I have another question. Why does she have long recordings of these conversations? I mean, if she didn't want to listen to it at the time, couldn't she leave? Couldn't she hang up the phone? Also, what are the odds of this guy spilling his personal fantasies to someone who doesn't want to hear them? His comments look highly personal...I have a hard time believing that he made them to someone who made it clear they didn't want to be in the conversation.

I'm guessing it is a woman who found it interesting to listen to at the time, all the while knowing she had "dirt" on the guy, and now she's claiming sexual harrassment for a situation that she could have defused long ago by walking away from these conversations, or if need be, record one and let a producer or something listen to it. This probably could have been taken care of in-house very quickly. But there is no money in that.

Maybe there are other circumstances that will help her case...but I have a hard time victimizing her based on what I've read so far.

and with her being counter sued for blackmail and her lawyer being a democratic contributer i smell a rat.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/10/13/entertainment1826EDT0696.DTLMy guess is that the moment she started being harassed, she knew she'd be going up against someone with powerful friends and she'd have an uphill battle in any lawsuit situation, so she started taping everything to have backup. It's what I would do, and what I'd suggest anyone in a similar situation do, political persuasion be damned.

My guess is that the moment she started being harassed, she knew she'd be going up against someone with powerful friends and she'd have an uphill battle in any lawsuit situation, so she started taping everything to have backup. It's what I would do, and what I'd suggest anyone in a similar situation do, political persuasion be damned.

If O'Reilly was sexually harassing me, I'd punch his fucking lights out. :D

The problem with being a public figure is that you have very little to choose from for partners who don't have less to lose than you do. He was an idiot to do it, and it serves him right, is what I say.

The problem with being a public figure is that you have very little to choose from for partners who don't have less to lose than you do. He was an idiot to do it, and it serves him right, is what I say.The other thing that comes from being a public figure is often a sense of entitlement and untouchability, as though no one can hurt you. And they have reason--look at Limbaugh. He ought to be under the jail right now, and I'd be surprised if there's even an investigation continuing.

The other thing that comes from being a public figure is often a sense of entitlement and untouchability, as though no one can hurt you. And they have reason--look at Limbaugh. He ought to be under the jail right now, and I'd be surprised if there's even an investigation continuing.

One of the benefits of having enough money to make it all go away, I'd say.

One of the benefits of having enough money to make it all go away, I'd say.
Yep. Just ask Kobe Bryant.

On the other hand, no matter how much money you have, shit sticks, and none of these guys will ever be put on such a high pedestal again.

On the other hand, no matter how much money you have, shit sticks, and none of these guys will ever be put on such a high pedestal again.

How do you explain Michael Jackson? People worship the bastard.

How do you explain Michael Jackson? People worship the bastard.

Only in the eastern bloc countries anymore, as far as I see. The rest of us think of him as a ghoulish thing who molests kiddies and can't sell another record to save his life.

On the other hand, no matter how much money you have, shit sticks, and none of these guys will ever be put on such a high pedestal again.It doesn't seem to have hurt Limbaugh much, even in the short term, but then again, his didn't involve talking dirty to someone who worked for him. (That image will remain scarred in my memory forever--ugh.) I don't know how this will affect O'Reilley, but it seems like it would have to hurt him, since he refers to himself as a "traditionalist" unless by that he means he wants a return to the good old days when sexual harassment was a part of the workplace.

My guess is that the moment she started being harassed, she knew she'd be going up against someone with powerful friends and she'd have an uphill battle in any lawsuit situation, so she started taping everything to have backup. It's what I would do, and what I'd suggest anyone in a similar situation do, political persuasion be damned.

well considering he is asking for the tapes to be played publicly i doubt there is much there that can really hurt him. she (or her lawyer) thought he would roll over to make it go away. I will withhold judgment untill all the facts are known, as it stands now we don't know jack

well considering he is asking for the tapes to be played publicly i doubt there is much there that can really hurt him

He's not asking for them to be played publicly.. he's asking for them to be turned over to his lawyer.. not quite the same thing as "publicly"

If she got him on tape, he is screwed in that any credibility he had is out the window and Fox will dump him really fast. But, the existance of a tape saying that stuff doesn't mean she'll win a lawsuit. Unwanted sexual advances is not enough. She must show how her career suffered, e.g. because she didn't give into him her salary was cut, she was fired, demoted etc. The man is an egomaniac, but until they provide a tape, I will remain skeptical. Demanding sixty million dollars so they won't file a lawsuit is extortion. You file first then settle.

O'Reilly is an embodiment of all that is childish, infantile, cowardly, and selfish, so i would be surprised if he HASN'T sexually harassed female coworkers. his behavior on his show constantly shows him to be a little boy with poor impulse control and a completely exagerated sense of his own importance...exactly the sort of little boy who would harass women in the workplace.

"and then I'd take my other hand, with the falafel thing, and put it in your p***y."

-Bill O'Reilly

Just one more reason why I fucking love this guy.

I tell ya, there's nothing like a good ole bait and sue. How could she possibly get this much stuff unless she was not trying to stop it, if it occurred in the first place, so that she could have a little ammo in the back pocket?

Something is not right about this.

http://www.drudgereport.com/fox.htm

it does not look good for this woman, she didn't follow basic rules of reporting of sexual harrasment so her credibility is shot.

and yes if you read the article i linked to in an earlier post, he asked for the tapes to be aired publicly

http://www.drudgereport.com/fox.htm

it does not look good for this woman, she didn't follow basic rules of reporting of sexual harrasment so her credibility is shot.

and yes if you read the article i linked to in an earlier post, he asked for the tapes to be aired publiclyIt's a cross-complaint. It means nothing and certainly doesn't let O'Reilley off the hook.

As to O'Reilley's challenge to the complainant to play the tapes, that's typical O'Reilley bluster. That's all he knows how to do--go on the attack--and I suspect it may cost him in the long run.

But let me say this too--I'm not convicting O'Reilley of anything here. I'm not judging the credibility of either party in this case. There's a long way from a complaint--or a cross-complaint--and a verdict, and nobody on this message board has a clue as to the truth of any of these allegations. That I think O'Reilley capable of such actions as he is accused of doesn't mean that I think he committed them.

Oh sorry Incertonia-I didnt know someone already posted this story

Oh sorry Incertonia-I didnt know someone already posted this story
That's okay--I hit it last night and it was on page three. Unless you were scoping the stories I posted, you wouldn't have seen it.