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http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/10/13/fda.implant.chip.ap/index.html

... any one else find this ... a little disturbing?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/10/13/fda.implant.chip.ap/index.html

... any one else find this ... a little disturbing?

Hmm... yes.

Although the type of chip they're talking about would be very good. It would allow doctors to know exactly how to handle a person. Its like having a card with your allergies, etc on it. Its a good idea as long as it isn't taken too far.

Why don't we burn a f*cking bar code on our foreheads, or a serial number tattooed on our forearm?

Anyone watch "Minority Report"? That movie hit it dead on, where we're going. COMPLETE loss of privacy. Ads that scan us, remember what we bought. In "Fifth Element", the cars that automatically detect speeding and retract your drivers licence.

We must fight this. We are not items on an assembly line.

You heard of the "national ID card" idea they were bouncing around? This is just one step past that.

Freedom. Privacy. Do I come across as a ranting conservative? I shouldn't, I can't stand what passes for conservatism nowadays.

Smile, your government is watching...

Although the type of chip they're talking about would be very good. It would allow doctors to know exactly how to handle a person. Its like having a card with your allergies, etc on it. Its a good idea as long as it isn't taken too far.

aye , but unfortunaly , like the game, threw time and stupid people it will become the most exstream form of this. And it will probly happen a little bit at a time, maybe next it would be in sex offenders and other such criminals that have surved there time. then all prision inmates , then for any crime .... and from the other side such as luxury , people would want it to have there credit car info on it so they dont have to carry it on them, ..... it may take time but it will happen =(

Wasn't there a family in the US a few years back that had their children implanted with microchips so they could keep track of them?

Wasn't there a family in the US a few years back that had their children implanted with microchips so they could keep track of them?
I think that was an article in The Onion.

We must fight this. We are not items on an assembly line.
Exactly!!!! We're human resources. And I demand to be treated as one. ;)

I think that was an article in The Onion.
Can't remember where I read it. But it wasn't in The Onion.

Silently and invisibly, the dormant chip stores a code -- similar to the identifying UPC code on products sold in retail stores -- that releases patient-specific information when a scanner passes over the chip.
It's a step away from a transmittter. We cna already be tracked by GPS on our mobile phones, cars, PDAs, Latptops, why be chocked by just sticking one to you permanently??

It's a step away from a transmittter. We cna already be tracked by GPS on our mobile phones, cars, PDAs, Latptops, why be chocked by just sticking one to you permanently??

yes but we do not HAVE to take those with us, or use them. The chip is always there.

yes but we do not HAVE to take those with us, or use them. The chip is always there.
If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide...I imagine eventually it'll be used as a permanent credit card, and a way to find escaping criminals.

yes but we do not HAVE to take those with us, or use them. The chip is always there.
But he don't HAVE to have a chip implanted under our skin.

Yet.

If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide...I imagine eventually it'll be used as a permanent credit card, and a way to find escaping criminals.

at some point in time every one will do somthing wrong , even if it is going like 5 miles over the speed limit. With an automated system that watches that it would stop speeding it its tracks. And yes it would help crime, but for every bit of good it could do it can do just as much bad. If criminals were able to tap into it , it would be devistating. Giving the goverment the power to know instanly where any one is and what that person has been doing is somthing that could lead to many scary things that as of yet have only been posible in some sci-fi movies.

If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide...

which only works if the state's definition of "wrong" always mapped exactly on to your own. or even just some vaguely rational definition. it never does.

But he don't HAVE to have a chip implanted under our skin.

Yet.


exactly , Yet. As posted in a previous message, It may take time but threw small and simple things they will bring it closer and closer to being manditory

which only works if the state's definition of "wrong" always mapped exactly on to your own. or even just some vaguely rational definition. it never does.
I suppose total enslavement of the American people would be a downside to the chip...

There's a program to use this method to track the migrations of haddock and cod.

They call it "fish and chips".

I suppose total enslavement of the American people would be a downside to the chip...

just a minor one. but think of the convenience.

If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide...I imagine eventually it'll be used as a permanent credit card, and a way to find escaping criminals.

But as an anarchist, I can't say I want the government to know that about me.

Why don't we burn a f*cking bar code on our foreheads, or a serial number tattooed on our forearm?

Hmmm ... wondering where they could find room for mine ... I have panthers on my forearms and the snakedancer twins tattooed on the side of my head ...

I'd want my barcode on my butt.

microchips under skin. cool, should make life more convenient. wonder if they'll implement it in europe.

That scares the crap out of me! I value my right to privacy and no government meddlin' in my life, dangnabbit! :D

I'd say that the problems are greater than the benefits, but that's just me...

~Have a nice day! :mp5:

If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide.
All I can say is: What sort of tedious, sad, shit-dick life would a person have to lead if they've got nothing to hide?

All I can say is: What sort of tedious, sad, shit-dick life would a person have to lead if they've got nothing to hide?
I know! As if, everyone's got secrets... some just more damning than others...

All I can say is: What sort of tedious, sad, shit-dick life would a person have to lead if they've got nothing to hide?

You know ... I just might agree with you on this one! Amazing! ;)

bring on the ionic neural booters

i want them to hotwire my brain!

This is wonderfull. I've been waiting for this sort of technology a long time, it will really make life more convenient.

Animal shelters have been using these chips for years. It isn't like you are going to be tracked down from a satellite in orbit, you have to scan the area where the chip is with a special type of bar code gun. The bar code reader then offers the information - it's just like scanning a credit card. You can't track a credit card from space unless it is scanned first.

Animal shelters have been using these chips for years. It isn't like you are going to be tracked down from a satellite in orbit, you have to scan the area where the chip is with a special type of bar code gun. The bar code reader then offers the information - it's just like scanning a credit card. You can't track a credit card from space unless it is scanned first.

Hmmm. I'm not so sure about this. Ever hear of "OnStar?"

Animal shelters have been using these chips for years. It isn't like you are going to be tracked down from a satellite in orbit, you have to scan the area where the chip is with a special type of bar code gun. The bar code reader then offers the information - it's just like scanning a credit card. You can't track a credit card from space unless it is scanned first.
Just imagine if the wrong satelite went operational and started scanning the animals? You know, one of the 'Star Wars' ones? You'd have baked poodles across the land! :)

Just imagine if the wrong satelite went operational and started scanning the animals? You know, one of the 'Star Wars' ones? You'd have baked poodles across the land! :)

lol

as if star wars could come within, was it 1000km, of a target, let alone a little poodle.

lol

as if star wars could come within, was it 1000km, of a target, let alone a little poodle.

Don't be too sure about that.

More convenient? I highly doubt it. Making it easier to check identity simply means identity will be checked more often. It won't be so convenient once your insurance company knows all your habbits so they can calculate in lots of additional risk factors into your premium (how often you buy potato chips or eat at McDonalds, the speed you drive, etc...)

I just can imagine the fun criminals can have with this, like tracking who in a subdivision has left so they know exactly which houses are empty. Or they just might impersonate you. If you think identity theft is annoying when the criminals can empty your bank account or ruin your credit rating by maxing out several credit cards in your name, wait until they can truly impersonate you in a world entirely relying on these chips as method of identification. If your ID code was the only one registered at the scene of a crime, doesn't that mean you're the actual killer? Now wouldn't that be inconvenient?

Also, I wonder how many loners would end up killed for their ID chip ( == identity). Simply kill someone nobody will miss, remove the chip and get rid of the body, and a criminal has a brand new identity to play with! Or what about entirely fake identities?

And let's get real folks: no intelligent criminal would commit a serious crime while wearing one of these chips. Since it's just below the skin this means it's easily removed prior to going to commit a crime. It also means they can have someone else go to a bar with TWO chips and provide for an electronic trail which can handily function as an alibi.

But, yeah, you'd save some time at the checkout counter at Burger King. Brilliant.

Ballotonia

I'm saying that satellites cannot be used to track these chips the way you think. Ask your local veterinarian about the chips they put in animals and they will explain it to you.

Now, yes, eventually that's what it will lead into tracking your location; people with these microchips will walk through a sort of metal-detector in an airport and immediately their location is tracked. But you still need to scan the chip.

If you want to compare it to "OnStar", the computer in OnStar is way more than just a microchip - it is a computer which is in constant contact with a satellite, and I don't see them sticking a big OnStar computer into people's heads anytime soon.

But you might have to scan it everytime you do anything. Want to go to work? Scan time. Go in the car? Scan time. Go to the toilet? Scan time. Want to gain access to the local park? Scan time.

Sure that's what it will lead to - I'm thinking about the good idea of sticking these chips into criminals, but for an everyday citizen it's a scary idea.

I'm saying that satellites cannot be used to track these chips the way you think. Ask your local veterinarian about the chips they put in animals and they will explain it to you.

Now, yes, eventually that's what it will lead into tracking your location; people with these microchips will walk through a sort of metal-detector in an airport and immediately their location is tracked. But you still need to scan the chip.

If you want to compare it to "OnStar", the computer in OnStar is way more than just a microchip - it is a computer which is in constant contact with a satellite, and I don't see them sticking a big OnStar computer into people's heads anytime soon.

There are more things in your philosophy, Horatio, than you have drempt of.

I'm saying that satellites cannot be used to track these chips the way you think. Ask your local veterinarian about the chips they put in animals and they will explain it to you.

Now, yes, eventually that's what it will lead into tracking your location; people with these microchips will walk through a sort of metal-detector in an airport and immediately their location is tracked. But you still need to scan the chip.

If you want to compare it to "OnStar", the computer in OnStar is way more than just a microchip - it is a computer which is in constant contact with a satellite, and I don't see them sticking a big OnStar computer into people's heads anytime soon.
gps devices are handheld, and they dont need to be that big, you can put whatever you want into a 1 inch by 1inch microchip, and they are getting smaller

That is very disturbing.

I'm saying that satellites cannot be used to track these chips the way you think. Ask your local veterinarian about the chips they put in animals and they will explain it to you.

Yeah, I even know of a vet who has one in him. He said he wasn't going to start putting them into animals until he knew it was safe and not too painful. Now when owners are worried about putting one in, he scans his and shows it to them.

Sure that's what it will lead to - I'm thinking about the good idea of sticking these chips into criminals, but for an everyday citizen it's a scary idea.
Uh huh...until you get pulled over for speeding and they implant a chip in you for "further observation".

Smile...your government is watching. :)

Well, no one else seems ready or willing to say it, so I will:

11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

- Apocalypse, chapter 13