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When an Eisenhower is against you...

Dempublicents
13-10-2004, 02:49
You know you aren't a good Republican.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44657

John Eisenhower:
Why I will vote for John Kerry for President
By JOHN EISENHOWER
Guest Commentary

EDITORS NOTE: This commentary was originally published Sept. 9, 2004.

THE Presidential election to be held this coming Nov. 2 will be one of extraordinary importance to the future of our nation. The outcome will determine whether this country will continue on the same path it has followed for the last 3½ years or whether it will return to a set of core domestic and foreign policy values that have been at the heart of what has made this country great.

Now more than ever, we voters will have to make cool judgments, unencumbered by habits of the past. Experts tell us that we tend to vote as our parents did or as we “always have.” We remained loyal to party labels. We cannot afford that luxury in the election of 2004. There are times when we must break with the past, and I believe this is one of them.

As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration’s decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.

The fact is that today’s “Republican” Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word “Republican” has always been synonymous with the word “responsibility,” which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Today’s whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion.

Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance.

In the Middle East crisis of 1991, President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein. Through negotiation he arranged for the action to be financed by all the industrialized nations, not just the United States. When Kuwait had been freed, President George H. W. Bush stayed within the United Nations mandate, aware of the dangers of occupying an entire nation.

Today many people are rightly concerned about our precious individual freedoms, our privacy, the basis of our democracy. Of course we must fight terrorism, but have we irresponsibly gone overboard in doing so? I wonder. In 1960, President Eisenhower told the Republican convention, “If ever we put any other value above (our) liberty, and above principle, we shall lose both.” I would appreciate hearing such warnings from the Republican Party of today.

The Republican Party I used to know placed heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility, which included balancing the budget whenever the state of the economy allowed it to do so. The Eisenhower administration accomplished that difficult task three times during its eight years in office. It did not attain that remarkable achievement by cutting taxes for the rich. Republicans disliked taxes, of course, but the party accepted them as a necessary means of keep the nation’s financial structure sound.

The Republicans used to be deeply concerned for the middle class and small business. Today’s Republican leadership, while not solely accountable for the loss of American jobs, encourages it with its tax code and heads us in the direction of a society of very rich and very poor.

Sen. Kerry, in whom I am willing to place my trust, has demonstrated that he is courageous, sober, competent, and concerned with fighting the dangers associated with the widening socio-economic gap in this country. I will vote for him enthusiastically.

I celebrate, along with other Americans, the diversity of opinion in this country. But let it be based on careful thought. I urge everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, to avoid voting for a ticket merely because it carries the label of the party of one’s parents or of our own ingrained habits.

John Eisenhower, son of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, served on the White House staff between October 1958 and the end of the Eisenhower administration. From 1961 to 1964 he assisted his father in writing “The White House Years,” his Presidential memoirs. He served as American ambassador to Belgium between 1969 and 1971. He is the author of nine books, largely on military subjects.
Pepe Dominguez
13-10-2004, 02:52
You know you aren't a good Republican.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44657

Yeah.. Reagan's kid's on MSNBC.. so?
Pepe Dominguez
13-10-2004, 02:53
In the Middle East crisis of 1991, President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein.

Too bad Kerry didn't support it.
Snowboarding Maniacs
13-10-2004, 02:54
Bingo.
Dempublicents
13-10-2004, 04:25
Too bad Kerry didn't support it.

The moral of the story has nothing to do with Kerry - it has to do with what a shitty Republican George W. really is.
Gymoor
13-10-2004, 06:11
Too bad Kerry didn't support it.

Yeah, I hate it when someone is against war when we're not personally threatened. Personally, I have no problem with the first Persian Gulf War. At least we can judge Kerry on his own words, which sound very familiar to his words in 2002. Dang if Kerry isn't consistent.

1991 Senate War Vote:
Mr. President, I do not believe our Nation is prepared for war. But I am absolutely convinced our Nation does not believe that war is necessary. Nevertheless, this body may vote momentarily to permit it.

When I returned from Vietnam, I wrote then I was willing personally, in the future, to fight and possibly die for my country. But I said then it must be when the Nation as a whole has decided that there is a real threat and that the Nation as a whole has decided that we all must go.

I do not believe this test has been met. There is no consensus in America for war and, therefore, the Congress should not vote to authorize war.

If we go to war in the next few days, it will not be because our immediate vital interests are so threatened and we have no other choice. It is not because of nuclear, chemical, biological weapons when, after all, Saddam Hussein had all those abilities or was working toward them for years--even while we armed him and refused to hold him accountable for using some of them. It will be because we set an artificial deadline. As we know, those who have been in war, there is no artificial wound, no artificial consequence of war.

Most important, we must balance that against the fact that we have an alternative, an alternative that would allow us to kick Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, an accomplishment that we all want to achieve.

I still believe that notwithstanding the outcome of this vote, we can have a peaceful resolution. I think it most likely. If we do, for a long time, people will argue in America

about whether this vote made it possible.

Many of us will always remain convinced that a similar result could have come about without such a high-risk high-stakes throw away of our constitutional power.

If not, if we do go to war, for years people will ask why Congress gave in. They will ask why there was such a rush to so much death and destruction when it did not have to happen.

It does not have to happen if we do our job.

So I ask my colleagues if we are really once again so willing to have our young and our innocent bear the price of our impatience.

I personally believe, and I have heard countless of my colleagues say, that they think the President made a mistake to unilaterally increase troops, set a date and make war so probable. I ask my colleagues if we are once again so willing to risk people dying from a mistake.
Asssassins
13-10-2004, 06:26
Gymoor, that has got to be the best post on this forum. I have used and posted Mr Kerrys voting record many times, but I never seen this. Could you please enlighten me as to where you found it?
Goed
13-10-2004, 06:30
Wait, why the hell are we talking about Kerry?

This is about Bush and how much he sucks.
Gymoor
13-10-2004, 06:37
Gymoor, that has got to be the best post on this forum. I have used and posted Mr Kerrys voting record many times, but I never seen this. Could you please enlighten me as to where you found it?

Google. I typed in the search words: 1991 Kerry Senate Speech. The site was, I believe, independentsforkerry.org

I think, if you disagree with someone, it's at least a good idea to listen to their reasoning.

By the way, Bush does suck. Business School Professors, Nobel Scientists, Ambassadors, Former Generals, Children of Republican Presidents...they all hate Bush, and I see no reason to like him either.
Voldavia
13-10-2004, 06:41
In the Middle East crisis of 1991, President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein. Through negotiation he arranged for the action to be financed by all the industrialized nations, not just the United States. When Kuwait had been freed, President George H. W. Bush stayed within the United Nations mandate, aware of the dangers of occupying an entire nation.

Mr Eisenhower obviously doesn't know much about either Bush.

The first war internationally followed the same path originally as the 2nd. ie

Bush went to them and said this is what America is going to do, we would welcome any help you want to give (ie if you don't want to, we dont care)

Some countries said no then, some yes, in fact france and Germany are the only ones of any note who changed sides in 12 years.

It is the mission that determines the coalition, not the coalition who determines the mission (as per Clinton's Kosovo bullshit).

Do you people forget who was Bush I's secretary of Defense? the very same Dick Cheney?
Asssassins
13-10-2004, 07:03
Wait, why the hell are we talking about Kerry?

This is about Bush and how much he sucks.
:sniper:
Gymoor
13-10-2004, 07:07
:sniper:

Awww, someone is sensitive about people criticizing his favorite wind-up President.
Asssassins
13-10-2004, 07:15
Nope, you must have missed it. This thread has been 'sniped'.
The Force Majeure
13-10-2004, 07:58
Yeah, I think the republicans of old (Teddy, Coolidge, Eisenhower) would be dismayed at what the GOP has become.
Pepe Dominguez
13-10-2004, 08:10
I do not believe this test has been met. There is no consensus in America for war and, therefore, the Congress should not vote to authorize war.

This logic would've kept us in Viet Nam and out of WWI and WWII. Senators are given intelligence briefings for a reason - so they can base decisions on more than public opinion polls.

If someone wants to lecture about having global support for war, while voting down a globally-supported war, he'll get no support from Pepe Dominguez. This is why you'll never see a President Kerry.
Sileetris
13-10-2004, 08:30
This logic would've kept us in Viet Nam and out of WWI and WWII. Senators are given intelligence briefings for a reason - so they can base decisions on more than public opinion polls.

If someone wants to lecture about having global support for war, while voting down a globally-supported war, he'll get no support from Pepe Dominguez. This is why you'll never see a President Kerry.
WTF are you reading? Vietnam was not a popular war, and WWI and WW2 had almost no major protesting. The Lusitania and Pearl Harbor got us pissed off as a whole and we went to war as a country. 9/11 got us pissed off and we invaded Afganistan. Vietnam and Iraq2 are both wars fought for reasons unrelated to the people fighting in them, and thus hugely unpopular.

Also, did Dole teach Pepe Dominguez to refer to himself in the third person?
Pepe Dominguez
13-10-2004, 08:38
[QUOTE=Sileetris]WTF are you reading? Vietnam was not a popular war, and WWI and WW2 had almost no major protesting. The Lusitania and Pearl Harbor got us pissed off as a whole and we went to war as a country. 9/11 got us pissed off and we invaded Afganistan. Vietnam and Iraq2 are both wars fought for reasons unrelated to the people fighting in them, and thus hugely unpopular.
QUOTE]

Not true. Public opinion of the Viet Nam war declined eventually, but was in the 80's prior to the Tonkin incident. Support for entering WWII on the side of the Allies before Pearl Harbor ranged from 15-30% approval.

Here's a bit of trivia: What was the #2 song on the Billboard top 100 the week we formally began aggressive action in support of the South?

That's right: The Ballad of the Green Beret.

Behind some song by a French nun.. don't ask.

Edit: Just so there's no confusion, the Ballad of the Green Beret did reach #1, in case anyone thought I meant it never got to #1.
Gymoor
13-10-2004, 08:43
Not true. Public opinion of the Viet Nam war declined eventually, but was in the 80's prior to the Tonkin incident. Support for entering WWII on the side of the Allies before Pearl Harbor ranged from 15-30% approval.

Here's a bit of trivia: What was the #2 song on the Billboard top 100 the week we formally began aggressive action in support of the South?

That's right: The Ballad of the Green Beret.

Behind some song by a French nun.. don't ask.

True, Vietnam was popular at first, just like Iraq II but, like the Spice Girls, their surface shine tarnished quickly until everyone saw the innate flaws possessed within.

God, I just compared war to the Spice Girls. I feel dirty.
Sileetris
13-10-2004, 08:50
Hey, at least the Spice Girls look good in pictures. And we all know the true reason for their fall was economic pressure by American music companies trying to scramble thier own pop-whores out to the public.
Stephistan
13-10-2004, 08:59
Hey, at least the Spice Girls look good in pictures. And we all know the true reason for their fall was economic pressure by American music companies trying to scramble thier own pop-whores out to the public.


Really? I thought it was because they had no talent.. :D
MontanaJohns
13-10-2004, 09:08
By the way, Bush does suck. Business School Professors, Nobel Scientists, Ambassadors, Former Generals, Children of Republican Presidents...they all hate Bush, and I see no reason to like him either.


This is very poor logic. I would point out that you should not vote for someone because a business school professor doesn't like him (Bush). You could just as easily say that the many people who are successful and do support Bush are a "proof" that you should vote for him.

Read the issues and get informed for yourself. What someone else says is not a good basis for deciding who will be president, even if they are really smart. While you may take your information from others and agree with their points, you should decide who you like better for yourself. That is the point of having a vote, is that you should use it and get informed and active about the issues, and then act on them. (Vote)
imported_Wilf
13-10-2004, 09:15
in addition i hear most of the female US tennis pros have pledged support to kerry, except navratilova, who prefers.....
Gymoor
13-10-2004, 09:19
This is very poor logic. I would point out that you should not vote for someone because a business school professor doesn't like him (Bush). You could just as easily say that the many people who are successful and do support Bush are a "proof" that you should vote for him.

Read the issues and get informed for yourself. What someone else says is not a good basis for deciding who will be president, even if they are really smart. While you may take your information from others and agree with their points, you should decide who you like better for yourself. That is the point of having a vote, is that you should use it and get informed and active about the issues, and then act on them. (Vote)

Oh, believe me, I have read the issues and have come to my own conclusions. I see the Bush administration as being fairly diametrically opposed to everything I believe is good, honorable and forward-thinking.

I merely find it reassuring that those whose business it is to know more on certain subjects have taken it upon themselves to speak out against the Bush administration.

When I said Business School Professors, I referenced an open letter signed by around 100 professors from the most prestigious of schools, all of whom call the Bush economic doctorine a disaster. 48 Nobel laureates, plus many many nationally prominent scientists assert that Bush puts aside any science that disagrees with his goals.

See, I am but one person. Though I consider myself bright, I do not know everything. I do my best. I try to accept all reasonable evidence. I question my own conclusions. I leave myself open to the thought that I may be misinformed, as this is the only way to stay truly informed.

All this investigation and introspection has lead me to conclusively state that another Bush Presidency is a disaster of monumental proportions that will probably only be wiped free in the coming years and decades with an almost seismic shift in political sensibilities.

Simply put, I do not like what I am seeing, and I wish it to stop.
Goed
13-10-2004, 10:34
:sniper:

http://www.normalityfactor.com/Images/smilie-dead-off.gif

OMG I DIEZERZ!
Dempublicents
14-10-2004, 20:34
Read the issues and get informed for yourself. What someone else says is not a good basis for deciding who will be president, even if they are really smart.

What someone else says may be important, if they are the expert in that area.

Are you saying that you never listen to the advice of experts in any area that you know less about?
Genetrix
14-10-2004, 20:43
So if the people of Mass. didn't want to go to war in Iraq, this is held against their representative? I think some, maybe most, Americans aren't quite aware of the job descriptions of government officials.
Dempublicents
15-10-2004, 00:15
So if the people of Mass. didn't want to go to war in Iraq, this is held against their representative?

Anything those who support Bush can find that might be held against Kerry will be brought out, I promise you.