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Which Machine Kils Fascists?

Free Soviets
12-10-2004, 18:32
1)
http://staff.usd497.org/~mcarrige/this_machine_kills_fascists.jpg




2)
http://img.audible.com/audiblewords/content/bk/reco/000007/full_image.jpg




3)
http://www.volny.cz/ak-47/ak-47/ak-47.jpg




4)
http://www.nawcc.org/school/images/tv.jpg
Yndurain
12-10-2004, 18:35
I voted
Free Soviets
12-10-2004, 18:42
feel free to justify/explain your votes
A Cast Of Millions
12-10-2004, 18:50
i voted 4 because it could be some sort of laser...or i could be being stupid and its a microscope on tv...or it could just be a tv. Who knows, the possibilities are endless, there are thousands of ways to kill Fascists. Personally i prefer the big spiky one :p
Free Soviets
12-10-2004, 18:52
aw, nobody likes guthrie yet.

and how come my thread title is missing an l and how would i go about fixing that?
Refused Party Program
12-10-2004, 19:13
While #1 is my personal favourite, I chose "fascists don't need killing" because what they need is education. ;)
Clonetopia
12-10-2004, 19:15
I chose to take the question literally, and picked the gun.
HyperionCentauri
12-10-2004, 19:16
don't kill fascsists! they are my friends!
Free Soviets
12-10-2004, 19:41
While #1 is my personal favourite, I chose "fascists don't need killing" because what they need is education. ;)

what if the fascists already have political power?
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 19:44
aw, nobody likes guthrie yet.

I do. Here's a counter-question for you - which machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender?
Refused Party Program
12-10-2004, 19:45
what if the fascists already have political power?

Then you can kill them, while I sing songs about it.
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 19:50
Interestingly enough it wasn't just one guitar that Guthrie had this written on: whatever he was playing seemed to also get the same inscription:

http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/july03/images/land-a.jpg

http://www.accordo.it/images/articles/wwody-kills.jpg
Refused Party Program
12-10-2004, 19:52
Excellent. Now download "This Machine Kills" by Kids Near Water.

If you can't find it, I'm willing to e-mail it (if your mailbox can handle 4-5MB files).
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 20:06
I do. Here's a counter-question for you - which machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender?

http://www.balladtree.com/graphics/01270110_banjo.gif

One of Pete Seeger's long neck 5 string banjo heads - directly inspired by the time he spent with Woody Guthrie.

Who adopted the stage name 'Woody' at one point in his career and later had guitars that carried the inscriptions "Ignore Alien Orders" and "I may take a holiday"?
Refused Party Program
12-10-2004, 20:08
Joe Strummer. RIP.

http://home.graffiti.net/amar/jared/rr.jpg
LuSiD
12-10-2004, 20:11
I vote #6: love <3
hate cannot be banned or killed, but we can minimize it...
Bandanna
12-10-2004, 20:12
my strap-on vibrator kills fascists

moreover: in homage to catalonia, Orwell mentions, during trench warfare in the spanish civil war, having his gun trained on a fascist, when the fascist's pants fell down. George couldn't bring himself to shoot said fascist, as he had no pants.

this presents an interesting conundrum:
does the gun cease to be the machine that kills fascists when the fascists lose their pants?

are well-fastened belts, perhaps, the machine that kills fascists? (as unfastened belts are the machine preventing them from being killed...)

would woody guthrie use his guitar to kill a pantsless fascist?

The Community of Hibbity-Dibbity-Doo saw it this way:
"a fascist without pants is still a fascist"
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 20:13
Joe Strummer. RIP.

Damn: it takes someone who has been paying attention to get the 'holiday' guitar.
Refused Party Program
12-10-2004, 20:28
I just have an awesome memory. Useful for Med. students.
Dopplepopolous
12-10-2004, 20:34
Thoreau defiantly kills them. Well, we wasn't very violent or aggresive, but not paying taxes to a goverment he didn't agree with was pretty hardcore. Mabey he could kill them through logical arguments or something.
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 20:37
Thoreau defiantly kills them. Well, we wasn't very violent or aggresive, but not paying taxes to a goverment he didn't agree with was pretty hardcore. Mabey he could kill them through logical arguments or something.

Ah, but what would he have to say about the internet and forums like this one?

We are in great haste to construct a magnetic telegraph from Maine to Texas; but Maine and Texas, it may be, have nothing important to communicate.
Refused Party Program
12-10-2004, 20:40
Ah, but what would he have to say about the internet and forums like this one?

We are in great haste to construct a magnetic telegraph from Maine to Texas; but Maine and Texas, it may be, have nothing important to communicate.

I don't know. This technology is invaluable to us. Especially now that we (Anarchists -maybe not you) are so few scattered.
Superpower07
12-10-2004, 20:45
Thoreau does indeed kill facists.

On a personal level tho, forget the AK-47; go with a mecha
Crossman
12-10-2004, 20:47
Oh, leave the fascists alone...
Conceptualists
12-10-2004, 21:30
What is option 2?
Free Soviets
12-10-2004, 22:11
What is option 2?

a copy of this essay (http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/civ.dis.html)
Free Soviets
12-10-2004, 22:12
I do. Here's a counter-question for you - which machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender?

quite possibly the hypnotic downer effects of the tv
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 22:48
quite possibly the hypnotic downer effects of the tv

Nah, not the drug of the nation: as posted earlier Pete Seeger's banjo. I'm still trying to think about other memorable things I've seen scribed on instruments that have passed into contemporary folklore - 'Out To Lunch' is the only one that really springs to mind right now - any takers?
Liberial Fascists
12-10-2004, 22:48
Look Fascism is not racism. It is a more effecient way of adminstration, then democracy or ANARCHY! Historically Fascism benifeted it's nations economically, and even socially. You just don't get it, do you?
Crossman
12-10-2004, 22:50
Look Fascism is not racism. It is a more effecient way of adminstration, then democracy or ANARCHY! Historically Fascism benifeted it's nations economically, and even socially. You just don't get it, do you?

Exactly. And racism plays no part. My point exactly.
Free Soviets
12-10-2004, 22:54
I'm still trying to think about other memorable things I've seen scribed on instruments that have passed into contemporary folklore - 'Out To Lunch' is the only one that really springs to mind right now - any takers?

i always liked tom morello's "arm the homeless" and "soul power" guitars
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 22:57
i always liked tom morello's "arm the homeless" and "soul power" guitars

Yeah, 'soul power' is good, but 'arm the homeless' is just a bit too close to 'Frankie says arm the unemployed' for me to take it seriously.
Bodies Without Organs
12-10-2004, 22:58
Look Fascism is not racism. It is a more effecient way of adminstration, then democracy or ANARCHY! Historically Fascism benifeted it's nations economically, and even socially. You just don't get it, do you?

It may be more efficient than other systems, but that efficiency is bought at the cost of the Enlightenment view of our humanity : the state takes precedence over disposable individuals, and the organic theory of the state that fascism is based upon leaves the door open to all kinds of unpleasentness.
The Force Majeure
12-10-2004, 23:15
I say let the commies and fascists kill themselves
Free Soviets
13-10-2004, 00:17
Yeah, 'soul power' is good, but 'arm the homeless' is just a bit too close to 'Frankie says arm the unemployed' for me to take it seriously.

and then there is the crimethinc sticker on my guitar - "the future is unwritten"
Bodies Without Organs
13-10-2004, 00:49
and then there is the crimethinc sticker on my guitar - "the future is unwritten"

...which brings us back to the Clash again.
Free Soviets
13-10-2004, 02:33
...which brings us back to the Clash again.

just like always
Bodies Without Organs
13-10-2004, 02:37
Anyhow, the answer remains (1) as it is the emblem of a social relation which cannot be co-opted by fascism, (2) is only a possibility as yet unrealised, and (3) and (4) are the tools of fascism (even if 3 has a leftist tradition its purpose is still one of destroying individuals, not states).
Free Soviets
13-10-2004, 05:01
Anyhow, the answer remains (1) as it is the emblem of a social relation which cannot be co-opted by fascism, (2) is only a possibility as yet unrealised, and (3) and (4) are the tools of fascism (even if 3 has a leftist tradition its purpose is still one of destroying individuals, not states).

well put. anyone care to argue?
HadesRulesMuch
13-10-2004, 05:11
Yes, I would care to argue. Mussolini wasn't stopped by a guy and his guitar. He was stopped by America and her allies. You may keep your idealistic notions if you wish, but force will always prove to be necessary in certain cases. (3) it is for me.
LuSiD
13-10-2004, 05:16
Yes, I would care to argue. Mussolini wasn't stopped by a guy and his guitar. He was stopped by America and her allies. You may keep your idealistic notions if you wish, but force will always prove to be necessary in certain cases. (3) it is for me.

Hey,

I am a proud White man. And if you would kill me with a AK47 (communist prick weapon!) then my brother would kill YOU!

Later,
Joe 'Snow' White
Copiosa Scotia
13-10-2004, 05:37
The third. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends...
Lunatic Goofballs
13-10-2004, 05:40
My weapons in the war against fascism:

http://www.megaglow.com/woodpop.gif
Refused Party Program
13-10-2004, 08:53
My weapons in the war against fascism:

http://www.megaglow.com/woodpop.gif

hahahaa
Sileetris
13-10-2004, 08:58
Voted gay Robocop.
Empath
13-10-2004, 09:03
Option #3, no question about it. The sound of chambering a round in an AK is the second best sound in the world. :rolleyes:
Refused Party Program
01-11-2004, 13:01
These are weapons of class destruction.