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I'm really starting to get annoyed at people when they can't use the right word to describe my country.

England - Part of the UK. Ok, i accept that it has most of the people etc etc BUT (and repeat this outloud please) ENGLAND IS NOT A COUNTRY ANYMORE!

Wales, Scotland, N.Ireland - The rest of the UK, also NOT COUNTRIES BY THEMSELVES!

If you want to refer to a specific part of the UK, thats fine, but never!, and i mean never!, or i shall come and cut your balls off, or sew you some on if you don't have any, say England instead of Britain/UK.

BTW- Britain, generally OK with me, some people may object though but you can usually just hit them to get them to shut up.

The title reminds me of things my girlfriend says.

Maybe I wont come and cut your balls off then if you get it wrong because you already seem to have problems in that department. You get my sympathy.

Long live Cornwall!

The rebellion is soon at hand.

But Scotland, correct me if I'm wrong, has a parliamentary system that stands apart from the rest of the UK. Their university/education system is also different. Therefore, they clearly aren't 100% the same country as the rest of the UK.

Wales, I'm informed, is also thinking of going down the same route. Many people in Wales speak a different LANGUAGE, for God's sake! How can you possibly insist on calling it all the UK?!

(I'm not saying anything about N. Ireland because I don't know much about it.)

I for one shall remain saying that I live in England, AND referring to Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland as Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland. And I'm afraid you won't be able to chop my balls off, because I don't have any ;)

Considering that most of the world linguistically refers to England as a separate entity precludes your logic; yes, technically, the entire isle is Great Britian, but throughout the course or language, frankly, England is England.

Maybe I wont come and cut your balls off then if you get it wrong because you already seem to have problems in that department. You get my sympathy.

Indeed. I can never undo bras.

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But Scotland, correct me if I'm wrong, has a parliamentary system that stands apart from the rest of the UK. Their university/education system is also different. Therefore, they clearly aren't 100% the same country as the rest of the UK.

Wales, I'm informed, is also thinking of going down the same route. Many people in Wales speak a different LANGUAGE, for God's sake! How can you possibly insist on calling it all the UK?!

(I'm not saying anything about N. Ireland because I don't know much about it.)

I for one shall remain saying that I live in England, AND referring to Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland as Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland. And I'm afraid you won't be able to chop my balls off, because I don't have any ;)

Well, first of all, I don't care if you don't have any balls, because as I seaid in my post, I shall sew you some on.
And secondly, there may be differences between regions, but Scotland isnt a country and neither is England. They are regions. I dont mind you refering to regions but to refer to the United Kingdom and call it England is just insulting to the rest of the UK i'd think. I'd be insulted if the rest of the world referred to us as Wales. No offence to anyone in Wales but you are an easy target, with all that sheep sex'n'all.

Apologies for not seeing that you had, indeed, said you would sew balls on.

However, I think that when most people say "England", they do indeed mean England and not the whole of the UK. Therefore it's pointless trying to stop them, because they're technically correct unless they say something like, "the country of England".

I'm really starting to get annoyed at people when they can't use the right word to describe my country.

England - Part of the UK. Ok, i accept that it has most of the people etc etc BUT (and repeat this outloud please) ENGLAND IS NOT A COUNTRY ANYMORE!

Wales, Scotland, N.Ireland - The rest of the UK, also NOT COUNTRIES BY THEMSELVES!

If you want to refer to a specific part of the UK, thats fine, but never!, and i mean never!, or i shall come and cut your balls off, or sew you some on if you don't have any, say England instead of Britain/UK.

BTW- Britain, generally OK with me, some people may object though but you can usually just hit them to get them to shut up.
Have you people ever noticed that it is the English who say this. You rarely hear it from the Irish or Scots. Can't personally address the Welch, but I am told they are the most vehement of all when it comes to calling them British.

They are regions. I dont mind you refering to regions but to refer to the United Kingdom and call it England is just insulting to the rest of the UK i'd think.

I think many scots would disagree with you my friend, but besides that I think it's like saying Puerto Rico isn't a country, or that French Guyana isn't a country; the United Kingdom is a "unit" of several countries that "decided" to give some of their soberany to a common government.

So then Elizabeth the II is the Queen of ________ ?
Please fill in the blank. I would hate to offend.

Apologies for not seeing that you had, indeed, said you would sew balls on.

However, I think that when most people say "England", they do indeed mean England and not the whole of the UK. Therefore it's pointless trying to stop them, because they're technically correct unless they say something like, "the country of England".

Indeed, I see the predicament, but, this only really annoyed me today because while reading through some of the other forums and threads (like a ww1 one), people (and i say people as a general term purposely despite it undermines my point completely) are using England to refer to the war that Britain/UK was in. That's what pisses me off.

And apology accepted about the ball thing. I doubt i'll come and sew u some balls on because i need to cut someone else off before i have any spare. Your safe for the moment.

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That's the spirit! It is too bad that on American maps, at least my world map, England is the name of that lovely island and not Britain.

I think many scots would disagree with you my friend, but besides that I think it's like saying Puerto Rico isn't a country, or that French Guyana isn't a country; the United Kingdom is a "unit" of several countries that "decided" to give some of their soberany to a common government.

You mean sovereignty.

So then Elizabeth the II is the Queen of ________ ?
Please fill in the blank. I would hate to offend.

If I'm not mistaken it's: Elizabeth the II Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But that's not what this is about.

You mean sovereignty.

Yes, thanks for the correction, I'm a little rusty; all the practice in english I get is in the Net.

So then Elizabeth the II is the Queen of ________ ?
Please fill in the blank. I would hate to offend.

Now thats a hard one because she is also the Queen of Australia, and Canada etc etc. (btw, if there are any aussies, kiwis, canadians on here, plz tel me why u stil hav her, i dont see any reason for it).
So i'll have to admit i don't know, although when i read it, Engalnd, admittedly popped into my head. I shall ponder over that one.

I'd say:

In the Uk her official title is: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

In Canada: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

In common practice - just: The Queen.

But that's just me though...

Looks good to me.

But about the French Guiana and Puerto Rico thing. I know what you mean but I think that the situation with regions of the UK are completely different. Im not going to say how because to be perfectly honest, i don't know enough about it, but all i do know is that in an atlas (preferably not an american one), scotland won't be referred to as a country, neither would england. The United Kingdom is the country.

OK, here you go:
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's current titles in each of her realms are:
#Antigua and Barbuda: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Antigua and Barbuda and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Australia: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# The Bahamas: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Barbados: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Barbados and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Belize: Elizabeth The Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Belize and of Her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Canada: * English: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.
* French: ''Elizabeth Deux, par la gr ce de Dieu, Reine du Royaume-Uni, du Canada et de ses autres royaumes et territoires, Chef du Commonwealth, D fendeur de la Foi.''

# Grenada: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Grenada and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Jamaica: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Jamaica and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth.

# New Zealand: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of New Zealand and Her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

# Papua New Guinea: Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Papua New Guinea and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Saint Kitts and Nevis: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Saint Christopher and Nevis and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Saint Lucia: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Saint Lucia and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Solomon Islands: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of the Solomon Islands and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# Tuvalu: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of Tuvalu and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.

# United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland: * English: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.
* Latin: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor.

Former royal titles
Elizabeth II also held the following titles at various times in her reign:
# Ceylon: Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Ceylon and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
# Fiji (1970-1987): Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of Fiji and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# The Gambia (1965-1970): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of The Gambia and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Ghana (1957-1960): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Ghana and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
# Guyana (1966-1970): Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Guyana and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Kenya (1963-1964): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Kenya and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Malawi (1964-1966): Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Malawi and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Malta (1964-1974): Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Malta and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Mauritius (1968-1992): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Mauritius and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Nigeria (1960-1963): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Nigeria and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Pakistan (1952-1956): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of the United Kingdom and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Rhodesia (1965-1970)1: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Rhodesia and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Sierra Leone (1961-1971): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Sierra Leone and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# South Africa (1952-1961): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of South Africa and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Tanganyika (1961-1962): Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Tanganyika and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
# Trinidad and Tobago (1962-1976): Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Trinidad and Tobago and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth.
# Uganda (1962-1963): ''Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Uganda and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth

Is that enough? :p And this are the official titles, I didn't make it up. Every country mentions their land, as simple as that.

That'll do for me. And it does slighty prove my point. Although the nature of the Queen's title wasnt really the point of this thread, you're definatly thorough(sp is bad i know)

Don't worry Arvor. The people watching soccer won't confuse England with the UK. How could we? Every part of the UK having it's own team forever reminds us of the difference between the parts and the whole.

In the heat of the moment we sometimes refer to the whole as England, but that's just to piss you off. Seems like we managed to do that once again.

Don't worry Arvor. The people watching soccer won't confuse England with the UK. How could we? Every part of the UK having it's own team forever reminds us of the difference between the parts and the whole.

In the heat of the moment we sometimes refer to the whole as England, but that's just to piss you off. Seems like we managed to do that once again.

Dam you, and all your clever friends. You have outsmarted me again. But i shall warn you that my threat of cuttin off/sewing on balls still stands.
And the football thing! that pisses me off even more. English people (especially i find) complain about never winning. Well what do they expect when they're not even competing as a country. Stupid Apples. (little fench/aussie/english joke for you there)

Scotland is my country.

The North Sea reserves should be relinquished to my country immediately.

To hell with the Duke of Kent.

I'm really starting to get annoyed at people when they can't use the right word to describe my country.



Hush up you!

Everybody knows you are the 51st State! ;)

How about just renaming it to: Engwascotnireland?

but its so much fun to irritate the British by calling them English!

yes, I understand, you are from the British Isles, from the nation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (funny how 4 counties get in the official title while Scotland, Wales, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands don't)

Hush up you!

Everybody knows you are the 51st State! ;)

How about just renaming it to: Engwascotnireland?


51st state! Pah, Like we'd give them the honour.

And that name is appalling. And it has no Great in front of it like we do now. (btw, why is that? why do we have great in front of our name? iv realised i dont really know alot about my country in this thread. im becoming stuffy)

Scotland is my country.

The North Sea reserves should be relinquished to my country immediately.

To hell with the Duke of Kent.
Ah, another country heard from?

OP, I thought you were an American. Didn't know they allowed assault weapons in Scotland.

51st state! Pah, Like we'd give them the honour.

And that name is appalling. And it has no Great in front of it like we do now. (btw, why is that? why do we have great in front of our name? iv realised i dont really know alot about my country in this thread. im becoming stuffy)

I believe the 'Great' is a carryover from the imperial days when "the sun never set on the English Empire" ("Great" was used to denote "large" rather than "really cool" or something similar). I could be wrong, though. It's been a long time since I took History.

# United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland: * English: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.
* Latin: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor.

Alright, alright, I'm a little confused. I'm a linguist and an English teacher. This has always confused/bothered me. If we're speaking of the UK without specifying "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" United Kingdom should be singular, correct? When you mention "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" specifically, should we not then say, "The United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"? The plural of "Kingdoms" seems to be universally left out. If we're talking about uniting two kingdoms, as is suggested by the name, should not the word Kingdom be plural?

Wouldn't that be similar to saying, "The United State of New York and Florida"? I'm confused. Maybe I've been spending too much time reading through my OED. Hmph.

If we're speaking of the UK without specifying "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" United Kingdom should be singular, correct? When you mention "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" specifically, should we not then say, "The United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?

Nope. The "United Kingdom" refers to the Kingdom that arose from the union of Scotland, Wales and England; and that is now only one Kingdom. Ireland has nothing to do with it.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Country: (noun); 4 any entity which fields a team in the World Cup.

I think that clears it up.

What about the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands?

FINE

so what do you prefer being called

a UKER
or
a UKIAN?

The United kingdom is a set of very old and in many parts very uneasy alliances and occupations culminating in England Scotland Wales Norhern Island and many outlying specks of land which i can neither remember nor care about (sorry outlying specks of land). The term country is no longer rigidly defined as many people fight for the independence of their "country" whether or not what they are fighting for ever existed. And as our misguided Cornwallian peer pointed out earlier, what about Cornwall they have their own (pretty poor) flag, and seem to want to be recognised apart from England, though frankly i doubt enough of them want that for it to ever happen.

England Scotland Whales Northern Island all those other little bits, are all countries so long as they have a ruling office, which i believe they all do, even though that would probably make them princedoms or democratic republics of some sort.

More pressing in these forums is the use of the term "Emperor" which, though many people seem to ignore it, require you to be king of more than one country with kings under you. not to be ruler of some god forsaken tract of swamp with 5 million people that dont have so much as a mayor let alone a seperatly defined daughter state.

More pressing in these forums is the use of the term "Emperor" which, though many people seem to ignore it, require you to be king of more than one country with kings under you. not to be ruler of some god forsaken tract of swamp with 5 million people that dont have so much as a mayor let alone a seperatly defined daughter state.

The definition of Emperor has changed a lot of times and no single one definition is the correct. The one you just gave (having kings that answer to him) is the definition used by Carlomagne, and not (for example) the one used in ancient Rome.

England Scotland Whales Northern Island all those other little bits, are all countries so long as they have a ruling office, which i believe they all do, even though that would probably make them princedoms or democratic republics of some sort.

I enjoyed the spellings atleast. But do they actually have ruling offices independently? I know Scotland does, but I thought England's parliament wasn't actually England's at all, but actually the United Kingdoms'ssss (now i understand the point about plurals), which would make me wonder whats the point of having a Scottish Assembly!!!!!!
Why can't we just be normal like Sweden. I think I might emigrate. Will anyone have me?

I have a very important opinion on this matter.

Who really gives a fuck?

Nope. The "United Kingdom" refers to the Kingdom that arose from the union of Scotland, Wales and England; and that is now only one Kingdom. Ireland has nothing to do with it.



Clang! Incorrect the "United Kingdom" originally refered to the Kingdom that arose from the Union of Great Britain and Ireland by the act of Union in 1801. Great Britain had already been unified by the earlier Acts of Union of 1707 and 1536 - and "Great Britain" was officially the name of the state between 1707 and 1801. The name "United Kingdom" survived the 26 counties of Eire attaining independence in 1922, and now refers to the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Clang! Incorrect the "United Kingdom" originally refered to the Kingdom that arose from the Union of Great Britain and Ireland by the act of Union in 1801. Great Britain had already been unified by the earlier Acts of Union of 1707 and 1536 - and "Great Britain" was officially the name of the state between 1707 and 1801. The name "United Kingdom" survived the 26 counties of Eire attaining independence in 1922, and now refers to the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Then the guy's correct and it should be United Kingdoms, shouldn't it? :p

It's sad to say that a great number of Americans are absolutely clueless to geography.

I have been asked WHAT STATE MONTANA IS IN!

I tell them it's a city in Canada. They believe me.

Ask them to point out countries on a map, and they might get ten or so correct. They wouldn't know the difference between Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates. Heck, they probably never even heard of UAE.

I saw a chef on TV the other day that was saying that cilantro and jalapenos were SPANISH.

Many a Spaniard would kill you for mistaking Mexico/Hispanic America for Spain. It is considered a deep insult.