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I haven't seen this discussed here yet, so what do we think?

http://www.iht.com/articles/540458.html

here's a scan of the mailer from AK:

http://www.steveclemons.com/GOPMailer.htm

I don't think one can easily shrug this off and say that people won't believe it:
"President Bush, who has visited West Virginia nine times since April, has found staunch support among conservative Christians. At rallies across the state, dozens have cited his faith in God as the main reason for their support — more important than jobs, the economy and the war in Iraq."

-from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134107,00.html

More from the same article:
On the Senate floor in Washington on Thursday, West Virginia Democrat
Robert C. Byrd denounced Republican campaign literature sent out in his state featuring a picture of the Bible with the word "banned" stamped across its cover. He urged Bush to make the Republican National Committee apologize for the literature, which contends liberals want to ban the Bible.

"If ever there were one book that should never be used for political gain, if ever there were one book that should never be the subject of lies and deception, it is the Bible," Byrd said.

It does seem to smack of scare tactics. The RNC should have known better, but I guess, since this is an election year, they figured "anything goes".

The ideal that liberals would ban ANYTHING is truly ludicrous. Republicans are obviously doing want they do best for the past few months in spreading malicious lies about Kerry and his supporters. Hopefully in this case only the Bible thumpers would even consider the banning of the Bible a possibility.

The ideal that liberals would ban ANYTHING is truly ludicrous. Republicans are obviously doing want they do best for the past few months in spreading malicious lies about Kerry and his supporters. Hopefully in this case only the Bible thumpers would even consider the banning of the Bible a possibility.
You seem to be equating the RNC with spreading "malicious lies" about Kerry, what ones would you be talking about?

Since the Bible only contains theological crap anyways, banning this most bloody of books would be an excellent thing to do.

I haven't seen this discussed here yet, so what do we think?

http://www.iht.com/articles/540458.html

here's a scan of the mailer from AK:

http://www.steveclemons.com/GOPMailer.htm

I don't think one can easily shrug this off and say that people won't believe it:
"President Bush, who has visited West Virginia nine times since April, has found staunch support among conservative Christians. At rallies across the state, dozens have cited his faith in God as the main reason for their support — more important than jobs, the economy and the war in Iraq."

-from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134107,00.html

More from the same article:
On the Senate floor in Washington on Thursday, West Virginia Democrat
Robert C. Byrd denounced Republican campaign literature sent out in his state featuring a picture of the Bible with the word "banned" stamped across its cover. He urged Bush to make the Republican National Committee apologize for the literature, which contends liberals want to ban the Bible.

"If ever there were one book that should never be used for political gain, if ever there were one book that should never be the subject of lies and deception, it is the Bible," Byrd said.

Did you expect any different?

Since the Bible only contains theological crap anyways, banning this most bloody of books would be an excellent thing to do.
This is the reason some people are rightfully afraid that the bible would be banned.

Pfeh, don't they know anything? Never ban, just stigmatise :p

j/k

You seem to be equating the RNC with spreading "malicious lies" about Kerry, what ones would you be talking about?

Attacking his Vietnam war record for one. Cheney calling Kerry the next thing to a tratior with regards to the war on terror. I especially like when Republicans get on him for voicing his concerns on how the war on terror and how Iraq is being handled. Demoralizing our troops? Even if so, freedom of speech is important and Kerry believes change is neccessary. Even if you disagree with him he should have his say without being called "un-American."

Attacking his Vietnam war record for one. Cheney calling Kerry the next thing to a tratior with regards to the war on terror. I especially like when Republicans get on him for voicing his concerns on how the war on terror and how Iraq is being handled. Demoralizing our troops? Even if so, freedom of speech is important and Kerry believes change is neccessary. Even if you disagree with him he should have his say without being called "un-American."
I still don't see malicious lies. Attacking his war record wasn't lies. No one will know what really happened, back then, it's still a matter of "they said, they said".
When did Cheney call Kerry a traitor.. or the next thing to one... Im not saying it didn't happen, I just haven't seen that one.
Attacking Kerry's record isn't lies. So far, what Kerry has been accused of on his record is backed up BY his record.

Is there no low to which Republicans will not sink?

Cheney doesn't have to call him a traitor right out. Just say that his election means terrorists will hit us with an even greater blow than 9/11. That the terrorists hope that John Kerry will win. These words are enough and people just take it a step further.

Liberals ban the Bible?

That's a new one to me, and I'm a liberal AND a Christian... :rolleyes:

Is there no low to which Republicans will not sink?

No not really :p

The ideal that liberals would ban ANYTHING is truly ludicrous.

It's ludicrous to say that liberals would ban anything? Say, assault rifles? How about books that contain the word "******"?

5 REM Punditry (version Infinity)
10 If Party$ = GOP$ or DEM$ goto 20 else 50
20 If Election$ < 30 days then 30 else 50
30 Print "Propoganda, Half truths and Sensationalism";
40 Goto 30
50 End

(Sorry it's been awhile since I used BASIC...)

There's already a thread on this.

There's already a thread on this.
Super. Can anyone post a link here?

It's ludicrous to say that liberals would ban anything? Say, assault rifles? How about books that contain the word "******"?

Assault rifles kill so I am not going to debate that. As to the other it is simply one of the contradictions in politics. Here it is banning books with racial expletives(which can still be found in the public library) and the fundamental freedom of speech. This is why politics is so annoying.

It's ludicrous to say that liberals would ban anything? Say, assault rifles? How about books that contain the word "******"?

Such books are quite freely available, far from being banned.

Although there is now, under our current administration, a watchlist of books that will get you attention from Homeland Security. I believe that list includes "Catcher in the Rye," for obvious reasons.

This thread and republican threads = political bias

Long live Compassionate Centrism*!
*my political bias

PS. It seems like a waste of time to preach to the choire? Why is it with left-wing and right-wing on hot topics there is just a continual repeat on key arguments?

Abortion

Pro-life: Babies = Life
Pro-choice: Women's choise!
...
five minutes later
...
Pro-life: Babies = Life (Really!)
Pro-choice: Women's Lib! Religion in state!

Such books are quite freely available, far from being banned.

I'm well aware of that, thank you. I was simply pointing out that liberals would indeed ban some things. Though I forgot to mention the death penalty. I should have added that initially.

Nothing wrong with banning the Bible.

It would be Karma when considering all the books the Bible thumpers have sought to and or banned.

;)

This thread and republican threads = political bias

Long live Compassionate Centrism!
So then the Centrists are ok with the RNC telling voters that essentially, if they don't vote for Bush, their Bibles will be taken away? Interesting idealogy, I'll be sure to eschew it.
Please note: I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I find this kind of activity deplorable. You don't, that's fine. There's nothing biased in the original post to the thread.

Anyone come up with link to other thread on this topic?

So then the Centrists are ok with the RNC telling voters that essentially, if they don't vote for Bush, their Bibles will be taken away?
Please note: I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I find this kind of activity deplorable. You don't, that's fine. There's nothing biased in the original post to the thread.

Anyone come up with link to other thread on this topic?Don't worry about the other thread. I started it a couple of weeks ago and I'm sure it's buried very deep by now. You can search for it if you like--I had scans of the flier in the thread.

Politicians in general are prone to do anything legal within their means to get elected... including slander.

Obviously the Democrats do not want to ban the bible. Many of them are compassionate people who want to do more for the poor.
And truthfully... does anyone really believe EVERYTHING Micheal Moore has told us?

Nothing wrong with banning the Bible.

It would be Karma when considering all the books the Bible thumpers have sought to and or banned.

;)

What about all the people who believe the Bibel to be true but don't try to get other books banned? It was actually the romans who banned all other religions in a Christian country first. Sad thing that, but Constantine did better, the Byzantine Empire had religious freedom for a long time. It's a bad thing to ban books unless they tell you to kill people.

So then the Centrists are ok with the RNC telling voters that essentially, if they don't vote for Bush, their Bibles will be taken away? Interesting idealogy, I'll be sure to eschew it.
Please note: I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I find this kind of activity deplorable. You don't, that's fine. There's nothing biased in the original post to the thread.

Anyone come up with link to other thread on this topic?

Well, the ones in my opinion who are biased, are the ones who go around saying something like 'don't ALL republicans' and so on...

OF COURSE it's deplorable. It's a LIE! Why would Kerry and Edwards seek to ban the bible? There's plenty of passages in it about rich people giving money to the poor and that seem to be the main theme republican dislike. Higher taxes!

What about all the people who believe the Bibel to be true but don't try to get other books banned? It was actually the romans who banned all other religions in a Christian country first. Sad thing that, but Constantine did better, the Byzantine Empire had religious freedom for a long time. It's a bad thing to ban books unless they tell you to kill people.

It's sarcasm my friend. You are not American are you? ;)

You can't have Freedom of Expression and ban or censor stuff. Many Bible thumpers don't get that message however......

5 REM Punditry (version Infinity)
10 If Party$ = GOP$ or DEM$ goto 20 else 50
20 If Election$ < 30 days then 30 else 50
30 Print "Propoganda, Half truths and Sensationalism";
40 Goto 30
50 End

(Sorry it's been awhile since I used BASIC...)
Bah goto's how basic is so …. Basic

Here is more my personal version


#include <politicians.r>
#include <politicians.d>

using topics std;


int main ()
{
int numberOfParties = 2;

boolen republicansympathyforbleedinghearts = false;
boolen democratunderstandingofhowtherealworldworks = false;

boolen animosity = true;

if (republicansympathyforbleedinghearts = true)
changepartytodemocrat (1) || changepartytoindependent (0);

if (democratunderstandingofhowtherealworldworks = true)
changepartytorepublican (1) || changepartytoindependent (1)

return (bullshit);

}
sorry that is my bastardized version of c++

It's sarcasm my friend. You are not American are you? ;)

You can't have Freedom of Expression and ban or censor stuff. Many Bible thumpers don't get that message however......

religious zeal I suppose dude, can make people a bit unfocused sometimes

(Yes, I'm half-Norwegian 'nd half Chinese (Hong Kong) *sniffle* ;)

All I was trying to say was there is a lot political bias going on both ways. Like as in all Democrats are sleaze and all Republicans are war-crazy philistines who would rather watch their bum brother starve to death then help him out. I just wish people would say something boring like: "We Democrats don't want to ban bibles. We want people to have the freedom of choice... and so on, and so on..."
But the thread itself was based on some interesting links.

I can't believe my Civil Rights dropped down a catalogue when I banned smokes. *convoluted*

Bah goto's how basic is so …. Basic

Here is more my personal version


#include <politicians.r>
#include <politicians.d>

using topics std;


int main ()
{
int numberOfParties = 2;

boolen republicansympathyforbleedinghearts = false;
boolen democratunderstandingofhowtherealworldworks = false;

boolen animosity = true;

if (republicansympathyforbleedinghearts = true)
changepartytodemocrat (1) || changepartytoindependent (0);

if (democratunderstandingofhowtherealworldworks = true)
changepartytorepublican (1) || changepartytoindependent (1)

return (bullshit);

}
sorry that is my bastardized version of c++

How do you make this?

Bah goto's how basic is so …. Basic

Here is more my personal version


#include <politicians.r>
#include <politicians.d>

using topics std;


int main ()
{
int numberOfParties = 2;

boolen republicansympathyforbleedinghearts = false;
boolen democratunderstandingofhowtherealworldworks = false;

boolen animosity = true;

if (republicansympathyforbleedinghearts = true)
changepartytodemocrat (1) || changepartytoindependent (0);

if (democratunderstandingofhowtherealworldworks = true)
changepartytorepublican (1) || changepartytoindependent (1)

return (bullshit);

}
sorry that is my bastardized version of c++

I used basic so anyone can read it. :)

Well, perhaps I have a poor understanding of American politics, but aren't the liberals much more pro-free-speech than the conservatives?

Well, perhaps I have a poor understanding of American politics, but aren't the liberals much more pro-free-speech than the conservatives?

Hmmm...not really. They both want free speech to be limited, and generally they agree on what areas to limit it in. (ie. pornography, slander, etc.) They disagree on it sometimes, but in reality the Democrats are fairly socially conservative, despite their portrayal by some groups as liberal.

Hmmm...not really. They both want free speech to be limited, and generally they agree on what areas to limit it in. (ie. pornography, slander, etc.) They disagree on it sometimes, but in reality the Democrats are fairly socially conservative, despite their portrayal by some groups as liberal.

Then perhaps people should say "conservative" and "very conservative" instead of "liberal" and "conservative".

Then perhaps people should say "conservative" and "very conservative" instead of "liberal" and "conservative".

I would, because it's closer to the reality, but noone else in the U.S. would understand what I'm talking about. *sigh* Silly Americans... ;)

I would, because it's closer to the reality, but noone else in the U.S. would understand what I'm talking about. *sigh* Silly Americans... ;)

Ah-ah-ah! That's stupid Americans :p

I would, because it's closer to the reality, but noone else in the U.S. would understand what I'm talking about. *sigh* Silly Americans... ;)

Maybe the liberals/conservatives thing is related to the bias-against-third-parties thing. If people thought that both the Republicans and Democrats were conservatives, they might be encouraged to look for alternatives.

Since the Bible only contains theological crap anyways, banning this most bloody of books would be an excellent thing to do.
Banning any book is a very bad idea, and, if I'm not mistaken, a violation of the U.S.'s First Amendment.

Banning any book is a very bad idea, and, if I'm not mistaken, a violation of the U.S.'s First Amendment.

In this case, It'll be a violation of the Constitution on Many fronts! Expression, Speech, AND religion.

Banning books does happen. Schools love to target Catcher in the Rye. Holden Caulfield might be a bad influence or something! The 1950's was a bad time to have Communist material. You think you could find Karl Marx at your local library?

Hmmm...not really. They both want free speech to be limited, and generally they agree on what areas to limit it in. (ie. pornography, slander, etc.) They disagree on it sometimes, but in reality the Democrats are fairly socially conservative, despite their portrayal by some groups as liberal.
Hi. Thanks for steering the thread away from it's intended topic.
I'll redirect:
I haven't seen this discussed here yet, so what do we think?

http://www.iht.com/articles/540458.html

here's a scan of the mailer from AK:

http://www.steveclemons.com/GOPMailer.htm

I don't think one can easily shrug this off and say that people won't believe it:
"President Bush, who has visited West Virginia nine times since April, has found staunch support among conservative Christians. At rallies across the state, dozens have cited his faith in God as the main reason for their support — more important than jobs, the economy and the war in Iraq."

-from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134107,00.html

More from the same article:
On the Senate floor in Washington on Thursday, West Virginia Democrat
Robert C. Byrd denounced Republican campaign literature sent out in his state featuring a picture of the Bible with the word "banned" stamped across its cover. He urged Bush to make the Republican National Committee apologize for the literature, which contends liberals want to ban the Bible.

"If ever there were one book that should never be used for political gain, if ever there were one book that should never be the subject of lies and deception, it is the Bible," Byrd said.
Care to comment on this?
I guess maybe it got beat to death in Incertonia's previous thread. I'll have to look there for intelligent debate on the subject...
*shuffles off to last pages of forum*

at least the liberals only want to ban the bible. the republicans are gunning for the collective works of mark twain, shakespeare, the books catcher in the rye, the quran, and alot of others

The Bible will not be banned. Why it would be is anyones guess. Republicans just love to stir up non existing issues.

The Bible will not be banned. Why it would be is anyones guess. Republicans just love to stir up non existing issues.
Yea, despite the fact that people on here have already said it would be a good thing. Just stiring up non existing issues.

I wouldn't mind hearing the reasoning behind banning the Bible. Might make people too religious? If anything will be restricted it could be the Koran. Now THAT sounds like a Republican move.

How do you make this?


lol I typed it up in word :-P if ya want to learn c++ right (that version I had was SO bastardised its not even funny) I mean I dident even do a function decleration for thoes switch party functions lol

But If ya want to learn it right read ... also would recomend an *nix machine with g++ compiler (and pico if possible) lol pico is easy vs VI and VIM and emacs

Lol anyways geeking it up ... I think there is little short tearm threat of the book being baned :-P

lol I typed it up in word :-P if ya want to learn c++ right (that version I had was SO bastardised its not even funny) I mean I dident even do a function decleration for thoes switch party functions lol

But If ya want to learn it right read ... also would recomend an *nix machine with g++ compiler (and pico if possible) lol pico is easy vs VI and VIM and emacs

Lol anyways geeking it up ... I think there is little short tearm threat of the book being baned :-P

there is a free C++ compiler i have on my machine (though i can get Visual Studio free i havnt yet), but i have Bloodshed C++, thats like the slang name for it but you should be able to find it by that

there is a free C++ compiler i have on my machine (though i can get Visual Studio free i havnt yet), but i have Bloodshed C++, thats like the slang name for it but you should be able to find it by that
Sweet I have a bsd machine that has g++ ... never tried much for programing with windows besides java and vb

I not a liberal... but I don't think be stupid enough to try to ban the Bible. Besides, something like that would never pass in Congress. Unless everyone except for the liberal fanatics died.

While I don't think they'd ban the Bible right off the bat (it would take years upon years of political change and policy review), let us not forget Bradbury's message in Fahrenheit 451. An ultimate communist society: all books banned, all people standardized.

While I don't think they'd ban the Bible right off the bat (it would take years upon years of political change and policy review), let us not forget Bradbury's message in Fahrenheit 451. An ultimate communist society: all books banned, all people standardized.

Sounds rather Orwellian to me. Do you honestly think banning the Bible totally or anything else is even a romote possibility?

Sounds rather Orwellian to me. Do you honestly think banning the Bible totally or anything else is even a romote possibility?
banning the bible no, banning other stuff yes. if the right wing fundamentalists continue to control the congress and white house, kiss a shit load of books good bye. you will be stuck with books rated G, and nothing else

First, to whoever started this thread, the 2 letter abreviation for Arkansas is AR.
AK is Alaska. AL is Alabama. AZ is Arizona.

Second, I live in Arkansas and haven't seen any of these advertisements except from the NationStates clowns...and I am on campus a lot...campus = breeding ground for politics.

You think you could find Karl Marx at your local library?

Yes I can actually.....

banning the bible no, banning other stuff yes. if the right wing fundamentalists continue to control the congress and white house, kiss a shit load of books good bye. you will be stuck with books rated G, and nothing else

Worse case scenario certainly. Luckily Democrats are around! Banning anything other than the worse smut would be wrong. Luckily people like Trent Lott don't run our libraries.

Since the Bible only contains theological crap anyways, banning this most bloody of books would be an excellent thing to do.This is the reason some people are rightfully afraid that the bible would be banned.Why? Would any truth be lost, if the Bible was deprived of its influence? Surely not, because there is only intentional misinterpretation of historical events in it to fit and promote a certain theological and political agenda.

Why? Would any truth be lost, if the Bible was deprived of its influence? Surely not, because there is only intentional misinterpretation of historical events in it to fit and promote a certain theological and political agenda.

Many would disagree with that. I don't know of the accuracy of Bible/history but isn't it everyones right to be misled if they want to be? Cults are big here, and stupidity IS protected under the 1st Amendment to read and have access to the Bible.

Worse case scenario certainly. Luckily Democrats are around! Banning anything other than the worse smut would be wrong. Luckily people like Trent Lott don't run our libraries.
worst case scenario my ass. thats more like probable case scenario

liberal wouldnt ban the bible, thats an asinine charge, maybe rmove it from government where it shouldnt be...

worst case scenario my ass. thats more like probable case scenario

liberal wouldnt ban the bible, thats an asinine charge, maybe rmove it from government where it shouldnt be...

I'd like to see how anyone could ban a book. If freedom of speech allows pornography and putting hit lists of abortion doctors online, than the Bible is pretty safe.