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If so, would you mind translating "Long Live Augustus" into Latin?

Eeermm..Ave Augustus?

If so, would you mind translating "Long Live Augustus" into Latin?

VIVAT AUGUSTUS

Thank you. Ave would be hail, I believe.

Non. :(

Non. :(
You mean minime.

You mean minime.
Ita vero :(

VIVAT AUGUSTUS

VIVAT AVGVSTVS

longus habitat Augusti

longus habitat Augusti
He's living in something?

Are we forgetting that it is passive?
(Augustus is living in something...)

VIVAT AVGVSTVS

Bastard! :p I remembered not to use an exclamation mark, and I even remembered to use upper case - but the V/U thing slipped my tiny little mind.

longus habitat Augusti
He's living in something?

Are we forgetting that it is passive?
(Augustus is living in something...)

ROMANES EUNT DOMUS?

wouldnt it be

LONGE VIVE AVGVSTVM

?

what declension is augustus

2nd

ROMANES EUNT DOMUS?
AHAHAHAHA :D

Oh, that's present...passive subjunctive...let me get my book.

ROMANES EUNT DOMUS?
dont start that again -_-

wouldnt it be

LONGE VIVE AVGVSTAM


Nah - that seems to me to be 'Augustus is living for a long time' (except something strange seems to have happened to Augustus's case there), what we want is 'VIVAT' which, IIRC is the subjunctive. The fact that we are saying "may augustus live" indicates pretty clearly that we want him to continue to do so, and so there is no need to specify 'for a long time'.

see also: VIVAT REGINA or VIVAT REX

EDIT: cleaned up some of my gibberish.

Reipublicae en Nomine Rosae... yeah.

Nah - that seems to me to be 'Augustus is living for a long time' (except something strange seems to have happened to Augustus's case there), what we want is 'VIVAT' which, IIRC is the subjunctive. The fact that we are saying "may augustus live" indicates pretty clearly that we want him to continue to do so, and so there is no need to specify 'for a long time'.

see also: VIVAT REGINA or VIVAT REX

EDIT: cleaned up some of my gibberish.
No passive?

No passive?

...urh.. this is where my rust starts to show: VIVAT = third person, conjunctive passive?

(it has been about 17 years since I last studied latin, so I believe I have a licence to be shaky on it).

...urh.. this is where my rust starts to show: VIVAT = third person, conjunctive passive?

(it has been about 17 years since I last studied latin, so I believe I have a licence to be shaky on it).
I though we were using third person present passive subjunctive?

If you speak Latin you should understand why Democrats are such sinister politicians!

Nah - that seems to me to be 'Augustus is living for a long time' (except something strange seems to have happened to Augustus's case there), what we want is 'VIVAT' which, IIRC is the subjunctive. The fact that we are saying "may augustus live" indicates pretty clearly that we want him to continue to do so, and so there is no need to specify 'for a long time'.

see also: VIVAT REGINA or VIVAT REX

EDIT: cleaned up some of my gibberish.

Augustum is in the accusative. Vive was imperative. Long live augustus.. we're giving the command to long live augustus. Longe is the adverb which modifies vive.

If you speak Latin you should understand why Democrats are such sinister politicians!

evil southpaws

Augustum is in the accusative. Vive was imperative. Long live augustus.. we're giving the command to long live augustus. Longe is the adverb which modifies vive.
(You) Long Live Augustus?

We are looking for something like

"May he live!" which is the subjunctive (He may live!)

Augustum is in the accusative. Vive was imperative. Long live augustus.. we're giving the command to long live augustus. Longe is the adverb which modifies vive.

No, its definitely not the imperative - if Augustus was lying on the edge of death then we might use the imperative 'Live!, Augustus, live!', but that is not the case here, we are saying '(long) may Augustus live'.

I though we were using third person present passive subjunctive?

Yes, sorry that was a msitake, I meant to write 'subjunctive' not 'conjunctive'. As I say, I am quite rusty at all this.

So, third person singular present passive subjunctive - which is VIVAT, isn't it?

...urh.. this is where my rust starts to show: VIVAT = third person, conjunctive passive?

(it has been about 17 years since I last studied latin, so I believe I have a licence to be shaky on it).
No, that's definitely active voice. Passive would be - vivatur.

Edit:Augustus is doing the living, not being lived, so vivat is what we want. Why should it be passive?

Yes, sorry that was a msitake, I meant to write 'subjunctive' not 'conjunctive'. As I say, I am quite rusty at all this.

So, third person singular present passive subjunctive - which is VIVAT, isn't it?
vivo vivere vixi victum

Should be vivatur. (fwhee)

(Edit...well, if it isn't, but the living is being done to Augustus (he is living)...right?)

No, I don't think it should be passive.

'live', 'do live', 'is living', 'may live' are all active. 'to be lived' is passive...

you wouldnt think this would translate to 2 pages of the conjugation of the latin word vivar (vivar?)

No, I don't think it should be passive.

'live', 'do live', 'is living', 'may live' are all active. 'to be lived' is passive...
Okay, so it is vivat then, but I still say that it should be passive, or you have "he may live augustus".

ROMANES EUNT DOMUS?

That's not "go", that's "motion towards"!

Vivat Augustus.

vivere, vivo, vixi, victurus

Romani, ite domum.

Okay, so it is vivat then, but I still say that it should be passive, or you have "he may live augustus".

Nah - because all you have to do is look at similar still used formulations like VIVAT REGINA or VIVAT REX - and so they show that the correct form is VIVAT.

Wow...I'm not the only Latin geek here! I'm a fifth-year Latin student, and as such am pretty certain the phrase would be "Augustus longe vivat". Does anyone know the construcion of vivat? I think it might be called optative subjunctive, but I don't remember all of the different names, because basically they all translate the same and I, being a slacker, had no inclination to learn them all.

Wow...I'm not the only Latin geek here! I'm a fifth-year Latin student, and as such am pretty certain the phrase would be "Augustus longe vivat". Does anyone know the construcion of vivat? I think it might be called optative subjunctive, but I don't remember all of the different names, because basically they all translate the same and I, being a slacker, had no inclination to learn them all.

The LONGE isn't needed: see VIVAT REGINA or VIVAT REX for similar constructions. Would VIVAT be the volative subjunctive? - it is expressing a wish or desire, isn't it?

Okay, so it is vivat then, but I still say that it should be passive, or you have "he may live augustus".
But Augustus is nominative, and the only noun, and therefore must be the subject of the verb, vivat. Since vivere is intransitive, it cannot have a direct object, and therefore cannot have passive forms.

Since vivere is intransitive, it cannot have a direct object, and therefore cannot have passive forms.

Is it therefore impossible to say in latin "what kind of life have you lived?" without reformulating it as "how has your life been?".


Similarly for statements like "he lived life to the fullest", where to live takes a direct object in English?

The LONGE isn't needed: see VIVAT REGINA or VIVAT REX for similar constructions. Would VIVAT be the volative subjunctive? - it is expressing a wish or desire, isn't it?
I've never heard the term volative, but they might be different names for the same use, since volo, velle and opto, -are have similar meanings. As for the need for the longe, I shall now prattle on in ignorance (it's ok in the political forums, why not here?): I'm thinking the "vivat regina" and "vivat rex" are colloquialisms, so, although one may not need it for a looser translation, if you wanted to go literal, the longe would indeed be necessary, since "May Augustus live" would indicate that he was suffering with some ailment and might die.

Is it therefore impossible to say in latin "what kind of life have you lived?" without reformulating it as "how has your life been?".


Similarly for statements like "he lived life to the fullest", where to live takes a direct object in English?
Hmmmm....I don't know. According to my verb reference book, vivere in the passive voice is only used impersonally.

I've never heard the term volative, but they might be different names for the same use, since volo, velle and opto, -are have similar meanings.

A quick check on Google shows that they do seem to be refering to the same thing.

As for the need for the longe, I shall now prattle on in ignorance (it's ok in the political forums, why not here?): I'm thinking the "vivat regina" and "vivat rex" are colloquialisms, so, although one may not need it for a looser translation, if you wanted to go literal, the longe would indeed be necessary, since "May Augustus live" would indicate that he was suffering with some ailment and might die.

The question is then whether you are creating a literal translation when the Romans themselves and the Latin tradition would have opted for the colloquial term: certain 'VIVAT REX' turns up multiple times after a quick net search, and nowhere is 'LONGE VIVAT REX' to be found. In fact, I have just seen that VIVAT REGINA turns up here (http://www.ancientsites.com/aw/Post/240362) as an example of the subjunctive, without the use of LONGE.

A quick check on Google shows that they do seem to be refering to the same thing.



The question is then whether you are creating a literal translation when the Romans themselves and the Latin tradition would have opted for the colloquial term: certain 'VIVAT REX' turns up multiple times after a quick net search, and nowhere is 'LONGE VIVAT REX' to be found. In fact, I have just seen that VIVAT REGINA turns up here (http://www.ancientsites.com/aw/Post/240362) as an example of the subjunctive, without the use of LONGE.
I stand corrected.

Three possibilities:

a) (LONGE) VIVAT AUGUSTUS

Quite literally "long live August"

b) LONGE VIVAS, AUGUSTE

Adresses August directly, "may you live long, August"

c) AUGUSTO VITA LONGA

Also nice. "A long life to August".

Ad hominem! Ad hominem! Ad hominem!

Aeneas troianus est.
Ascanius puer est.
Anchises senex est.

Creusa femina est.

Ad hominem! Ad hominem! Ad hominem!

Aeneas troianus est.
Ascanius puer est.
Anchises senex est.

Creusa femina est.
yeah. latin for beginners. yay for that.

Three years.

I spent three years exposed to Latin in high school.

This not more than two years ago.

You know what I remember?

Laudo = something to do with praise.

If pressed, I'd guess 'to praise', but that's only because of vague, garbled memories.

I wish I'd paid more attention now. Latin amuses me greatly. (Now, if only I could find someone fluent in Latin who also has an English accent... mmm....)

Quaestio originalis in hoc foro posita minoris difficultatis fuit. Multo difficilior longiora Latine scribere videtur. Verus magister linguae Romanorum certe nonnullos lapsos inveniet in quod hic scripsi. Sed mihi maximo gaudio.

Non improbabile puto locutores linguae Anglorum Saxonumque haec scripta legere atque intellegere posse; considerans linguam eorum ad maiorem partem verbis Latinae neque Germanicae originis consistere.

Three years.

I spent three years exposed to Latin in high school.

This not more than two years ago.

You know what I remember?

Laudo = something to do with praise.

If pressed, I'd guess 'to praise', but that's only because of vague, garbled memories.

I wish I'd paid more attention now. Latin amuses me greatly. (Now, if only I could find someone fluent in Latin who also has an English accent... mmm....)

Can't do the Latin bit, although I have spent the last few years teaching myself to be able to read it, a little...

But the English accent? That I can do. :)

Quaestio originalis in hoc foro posita minoris difficultatis fuit. Multo difficilior longiora Latine scribere videtur. Verus magister linguae Romanorum certe nonnullos lapsos inveniet in quod hic scripsi. Sed mihi maximo gaudio.

Non improbabile puto locutores linguae Anglorum Saxonumque haec scripta legere atque intellegere posse; considerans linguam eorum ad maiorem partem verbis Latinae neque Germanicae originis consistere.

I'm glad this entertained you so much, but thanks to your post threadus mortus est. ;)

I'm glad this entertained you so much, but thanks to your post threadus mortus est. ;)

Huh? How??

Thread topic was "who can type in fluent Latin", so I gave it a try, and it's probably full of mistakes.

Also gave 3 possible translations to original question.

Huh? How??

Thread topic was "who can type in fluent Latin", so I gave it a try, and it's probably full of mistakes.

Also gave 3 possible translations to original question.
eh. apparently you're the only one "who can type in fluent Latin". ;)
dorstfeld magnificus est. :)

One thing to note, Roman Latin did not have "U" so Augustus will be spelt more like "AVGVSTVS" sometimes shortened to AVG on coinage.

aka AVG Antivirus.

Is it therefore impossible to say in latin "what kind of life have you lived?" without reformulating it as "how has your life been?".That's still active voice... passive voice would be "what kind of life has been lived by you?", which would be a weird way of phrasing the question even in English...

Three possibilities:

a) (LONGE) VIVAT AUGUSTUS

Quite literally "long live August"

b) LONGE VIVAS, AUGUSTE

Adresses August directly, "may you live long, August"

c) AUGUSTO VITA LONGA

Also nice. "A long life to August".



The third one definitely seems to be the best. It gets the point across and there's no need for guessing the inclusion of 'long'.

Pardon me if this is incredibly ignorant, but I'm not seeing how 'vivat Augustus' is translated like that. It seems like it should be translated as 'Augustus lives/is living'.

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Pardon me if this is incredibly ignorant, but I'm not seeing how 'vivat Augustus' is translated like that. It seems like it should be translated as 'Augustus lives/is living'.
Because it's a jussive subjunctive. = 'let Augustus live'.

'Augustus is living' = Augustus vivit.

gahh give it up -_-

"vivat" is present subjunctive, (coniunctivus iussivus here) and fits perfectly, in the sense of "may he live long" (subjunctive).

"He lives" (indicative present tense) would be "vivit".

EDIT Yeah, what unfree people said.

'Nuff wisecracking. :D

Taught the stuff for a couple of years, privately.

Taught the stuff for a couple of years, privately.I'm in a second semester Latin course. I'm a pretty avid student of it (it's hard but I think it's absolutely fascinating), but granted I'm not all that great at it. We just started covering the subjunctive last week, heh.

If anyone here who knows Latin well wants to volunteer to help me on a few translations I simply do not get (for homework) I would love you forever :p

Ok, I'm an idiot. I somehow managed to completely ignore all the signs and thought vivo vivere vixi victum was first conjugation. I think my Latin prof would beat me if he ever found out.

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Alea Jacta Est...

I'm in a second semester Latin course. I'm a pretty avid student of it (it's hard but I think it's absolutely fascinating), but granted I'm not all that great at it. We just started covering the subjunctive last week, heh.

If anyone here who knows Latin well wants to volunteer to help me on a few translations I simply do not get (for homework) I would love you forever :p

Latin was one of my favorite subjects at school (German grammar school). I made some money with private tuition until this year, so I didn't forget all of it. But I'm a dillettante for sure, by no means professional.

Sure, Unfree People, show me what you got. No guarantees, though. :D

If so, would you mind translating "Long Live Augustus" into Latin?

No, now go away.

Can't do the Latin bit, although I have spent the last few years teaching myself to be able to read it, a little...

But the English accent? That I can do. :)

Rar, you tease!

Man, and here I sit, lacking in English accents of any sort :(

I really really do need to budget for moving to England at some point.

Ooh, or maybe I could put an ad in the trading post here in Aus: "English accent wanted, male host prefered*"

:p



*'Preffered'? 'Preferred'? WHY DOES IT LOOK SO WRONG??? :confused:
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<insert warning about how exam stress is driving me insane here>

Rar, you tease!

Man, and here I sit, lacking in English accents of any sort :(

I really really do need to budget for moving to England at some point.

Ooh, or maybe I could put an ad in the trading post here in Aus: "English accent wanted, male host prefered*"

:p



*'Preffered'? 'Preferred'? WHY DOES IT LOOK SO WRONG??? :confused:
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<insert warning about how exam stress is driving me insane here>

Okay, the English accent and the 'male host' I can manage. Still shy on the latin, and my 'roaming' has taken me to the US (so far) rather than Australia....

There does seem to be something of a 'quiet' exodus of the UK at them moment... I have encountered people (on the internet) from all over the world, who turn out to be english ex-pats... even the backwoods area I'm in at the moment has two or three other ex-brits.

So, I guess it's just a matter of time before the Brits start banging on your door in response to your ad. ;)

I'm going with the spelling "preferred"... although it looks just as wrong as all the other options... but that's how I spell it... so I have to hope it's the right way. :(

I though we were using third person present passive subjunctive?

it's active subjunctive. You can't have a passive form of "live" here because that would mean "be lived". The whole sentence would then mean "May Augustus be lived" which is obvious nonsense. I think the passive form would be vivatur.

You don't have to do the capitals and vees for yews bit just because the romans did. They rather disappeared as a group a long time ago, and latin has been used by all sorts of people, with yews and lower case for a very long time after that.

I got a D in my latin A level some 14 years ago, so I'm more of a smartarse than an expert.

Okay, the English accent and the 'male host' I can manage. Still shy on the latin, and my 'roaming' has taken me to the US (so far) rather than Australia....

There does seem to be something of a 'quiet' exodus of the UK at them moment... I have encountered people (on the internet) from all over the world, who turn out to be english ex-pats... even the backwoods area I'm in at the moment has two or three other ex-brits.

So, I guess it's just a matter of time before the Brits start banging on your door in response to your ad. ;)

I'm going with the spelling "preferred"... although it looks just as wrong as all the other options... but that's how I spell it... so I have to hope it's the right way. :(

Hee, Latin isn't really a huge requirement. It's just something that tends to amuse me. The thing I like most is just intelligence in general - something you certainly can't claim to lack. I've been to the US in my (younger) youth. All I really remember is the many many swimming pools (this was Florida). Oh, and that McDonald's uses much *much* less salt on their fries (*shrugs*, I notice odd things ok?).

I doubt Brits would be banging on my door though... more likely fleeing in terror... but then, I've just got low self-esteem ('yay'). You should see how confused people get in response to my reaction to English accents though... it's really quite amusing. Apparently people aren't really used to having teenage girls hanging off their every word... can't imagine why not... I mean, they have *English accents*... I mean, really.

I always *think* it's either preferred or prefered... then, once it's written one way, it looks wrong. So I change it. And it still looks wrong, so I change it. And it still looks wrong, so I make a note of it and then move on :p.

I think I garbled a sentence or three there... apologies in advance (I blame the invisible pink kitties... they're evil, you know....)

it's active subjunctive. You can't have a passive form of "live" here because that would mean "be lived". The whole sentence would then mean "May Augustus be lived" which is obvious nonsense. I think the passive form would be vivatur.

You don't have to do the capitals and vees for yews bit just because the romans did. They rather disappeared as a group a long time ago, and latin has been used by all sorts of people, with yews and lower case for a very long time after that.

I got a D in my latin A level some 14 years ago, so I'm more of a smartarse than an expert.

Ooooh, so you *can* spell letters! I remember asking my dad how to spell 'vee' when I was, like, 5. And he wouldn't tell me! I wanted to write out the alphabet with the letter names... ah, the days of having too much time on my hands.

And hehehehe, 'yews'. So very, very silly. Almost to the point of being sillay :p

Hee, Latin isn't really a huge requirement. It's just something that tends to amuse me. The thing I like most is just intelligence in general - something you certainly can't claim to lack. I've been to the US in my (younger) youth. All I really remember is the many many swimming pools (this was Florida). Oh, and that McDonald's uses much *much* less salt on their fries (*shrugs*, I notice odd things ok?).

I doubt Brits would be banging on my door though... more likely fleeing in terror... but then, I've just got low self-esteem ('yay'). You should see how confused people get in response to my reaction to English accents though... it's really quite amusing. Apparently people aren't really used to having teenage girls hanging off their every word... can't imagine why not... I mean, they have *English accents*... I mean, really.

I always *think* it's either preferred or prefered... then, once it's written one way, it looks wrong. So I change it. And it still looks wrong, so I change it. And it still looks wrong, so I make a note of it and then move on :p.

I think I garbled a sentence or three there... apologies in advance (I blame the invisible pink kitties... they're evil, you know....)

I can CLAIM to lack intelligence, if I want! :)

(verbum sat sapienti est)

I've yet to 'do' Florida, but it's about the only point on the Southern coast I haven't been yet... I also journeyed through some of the rocky states, and spent a little while in New York. Kind of hitting it like a shotgun blast, I guess...

It's not too immodest for me to have an idea of where you are 'coming from' on the English accent thing... since it seems to be very popular around my current locale, too. My East-London accent has scored me everything from propositions of marriage, to a job.

Personally, I was never a big fan of English accents, though... :)

I know where you are coming from on the words that never look right. I can never get 'interest' to look right to my head. I also remember spending 20 minutes (when I was 6) trying to get 'any' to look how it sounded...

Vivat Augustus would be the way to say that. It's subjunctive, literally meaning "May Augustus Live!"

Ave Augustus translates to '(one should) Hail Augustus!" Imperative.

Or was that vocative? It's been a few years.

sic transit gloria mundi . . .

salve puella!

That's about all I remeber from Latin class.

Or was that vocative? It's been a few years.

Vocative is used with nouns to indicate direct address.

Or was that vocative? It's been a few years.
Ave Claudio! is a vocative.

Ave Claudio! is a vocative.


Just smartarsin'.

The vocative case only exists for masculine nouns of the O-declension ending in "us".

"us" turns to "e". Salve Auguste, Luculle, Marce, Tite, etc.

"ius", however, turns to a long "i". Salve Claudi, Luci, Mari, etc.

Shutting up already.

See, this is why I don't study grammar.

See, this is why I don't study grammar.

The grammar is the best part of studying Latin! :D