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Why is it that in every teen movie I have ever seen the stars always make Forest Gump look like he should be up for the Nobel Prize in advanced biochemistry (NOTE: I have no idea if there actually is a Nobel Prize for advanced biochemistry, it just sounds very intelligent)? I mean seriously, do the script writers think that real life teenagers act like that? Do they think they look like that? This might be a bit uncouth, but the Nazi representation of the stereotypical Jew was closer to the mark.

And it's not just the minor details, like how the 'ugly geeky kid' is unbelievably attractive, but some major stuff that any person who has ever been a teenager should know. Like when you walk down the hallway at school, in the movies the popular kid just shoves everybody out of the way and be damned to the nerds. In real life, if you made a straight line and shoved everybody out of the way without even an apology you would get the shit kicked out of you. I mean literally, you would be beaten to such an extent that you would lose bladder control and feces would exit the body.

In all seriousness, do adults actually think we act like that? Cause if so I'm gonna kill myself as soon as I turn twenty-one to prevent the inevitable plunge into idiocy that will soon ensue.

Ever seen "Not another teen movie"? Sounds like that would be right up your street!

The way my age group (13) is portrayed in movies makes me laugh in uncontrollable fits. I completely agree with you. Wanna hear soemthing interesting? My school has barely even HEARD of nerds! OMGWTFBBQ!!!!11!1

Yes I've seen Not Another Teen Movie, and I think it does a splendid job.

Funny as hell!

Teen movies are 90-minute product placement expositions.. you expect plot? ;)

I'm never seen that movie, is it good? What happens in it?

Don't forget all the room that those hallways have. The highschool that I went to was really crowded between classes, but when you watch a movie, the corridors are spacious and there's maybe twenty people in sight. Where's the claustrophobia? Where's the filth? Where's the acne? No acne... that's ridiculous. Even the good looking kids have the occassional zit, but in film... nope. Clear skin on all of them. MADNESS!

I'm never seen that movie, is it good? What happens in it?

Not Another Teen Movie is a parody of teen movies, it shows how the stereotypes are pure lunacy.

It features the foreign exchange student, the wannabe, the popular jock, the cocky blond guy, the stupid fat guy, the obsessed best friend, the pretty-ugly girl, and.....The Token Black Guy!

Like I said, funny as hell!

I'm never seen that movie, is it good? What happens in it?
It's funny, but it's not one of those movies you could watch over and over again. Rent it, enjoy it, but it's really not anything to get excited about.

Teen movies are 90-minute product placement expositions.. you expect plot? ;)

or they rip off shakespeare.....

people who make movies are out of touch with reality.

take disney


here is how EVERY disney movie ends: the outcast kid becomes suddenly popular, gets the girl, perhaps makes a friend out of some unpopular loser and saves the day


makes me sick

people who make movies are out of touch with reality.

take disney


here is how EVERY disney movie ends: the outcast kid becomes suddenly popular, gets the girl, perhaps makes a friend out of some unpopular loser and saves the day


makes me sick
Hey! You can even apply that to Pirates of the Carribean (That was Disney, right?). Of course, Johnny Depp's performance as Jack Sparrow was what the film was really all about, and it was fantastic. Sorry, that's Captain Jack Sparrow.

I think you're expecting a bit much out of these films, they aren't The Matrix or Ghost in the Shell, afterall. Still, you are pretty much correct.

I'm never seen that movie, is it good? What happens in it?

It sucks. It really is a '1 star' movie. Although the opening bit with the vibrator was funny. And it has funny characters and jokes but they are too disconnected from the plot to make the movie very interesting.

Besides, teen movies are mass produced in a taiwanese sweatshop and put into theatres by the dozen so who the hell would see a spoof with all of the expected cliches? That's why Scary movie 3 was so great. It spoofed the movies themselves and not any specific cliches and the jokes were completely outside of cliche (the kid getting injured all the time was great).

OH! And there is nudity. Nubile young boobies. Gotta love that!

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And it's not just the minor details, like how the 'ugly geeky kid' is unbelievably attractive, but some major stuff that any person who has ever been a teenager should know. Like when you walk down the hallway at school, in the movies the popular kid just shoves everybody out of the way and be damned to the nerds. In real life, if you made a straight line and shoved everybody out of the way without even an apology you would get the shit kicked out of you. I mean literally, you would be beaten to such an extent that you would lose bladder control and feces would exit the body.
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No. If you're popular or respected you can beat the shit out of most people without having to worry about much of anything.

Well, anyone watched "The Breakfast Club?"

I believe this is the best teen movie of all time. Sure it has some sterotypical things in it, but its actually a great movie depicting true teen struggles. Even though it was made in the 80's, it still applies today. (BTW, I'm also a teenager) The Breakfast Club isn't like trashy 90's teen flicks like "American Pie" But, that movie was funny too, in a crude sense.

people who make movies are out of touch with reality.

take disney


here is how EVERY disney movie ends: the outcast kid becomes suddenly popular, gets the girl, perhaps makes a friend out of some unpopular loser and saves the day


makes me sick
Let's not forget eveyone is whhite in a disney animation...

Let's not forget eveyone is whhite in a disney animation...

lol ^_^

No. If you're popular or respected you can beat the shit out of most people without having to worry about much of anything.
Uh....no. Besides the fact that there would be dozens of kids there to beat you to a pulp, there's also the fact that the nerdy kids in real life are not always 90 pound weaklings. I personally have studied martial arts for ten years and work out three times a week. There is not one kid at my school who I could not easily trounce.

Let's not forget eveyone is whhite in a disney animation...
whos talking about animation? animation with those themes make sense, im talknig about their dumbass made for tv movies and stuff.

and i think they had one black person in one of them, i could be wrong

whos talking about animation? animation with those themes make sense, im talknig about their dumbass made for tv movies and stuff.

and i think they had one black person in one of them, i could be wrong
lol where? In the background? My point is they are racially biased. There were no white people in Greece during the time of Hercules. Furthermore Thebes was in Kemmet(Egypt fo the non-educated) which would mean there would be a shiteload of Black people.Yet they all are white...

Aren't Greek Ppl WHITE?

The best mis-representations of teenagers come in kids shows.

If somebody has a drag on a spliff they become hooked on drugs and can only be saved by the power of friendship.
If somebody brings a 6 pac of beer for 20 people, somebody most likely will end up pregnant, a relationship could be ruined and 2 close friends will argue and nearly end up in fisticuffs.
Skaters and punks are considered un-cool in comparison with preppy kids and those obsessed with fashion (that one always makes me laugh as alot of punk bands seem to think this is the case as well)
All teenagers will do anything to become 'cool' until they realise that it doesn't really matter if they have friends. They will, however, fall int othe same trap next week.
The teachers are all either wackily zany or incredibly dull.

Uh....no. Besides the fact that there would be dozens of kids there to beat you to a pulp, there's also the fact that the nerdy kids in real life are not always 90 pound weaklings. I personally have studied martial arts for ten years and work out three times a week. There is not one kid at my school who I could not easily trounce.

Only 3 times a week... pfft

Only 3 times a week... pfft

Hey, cut me some slack. I'm very lazy.

I could be mistaken, lol.

Anyway, I agree with Metallinauts, that teen movies are sometimes racially biased. I mean, some movies aim indirect "racial" things at Black or Chinese teens. I'm Asian and this is annoying cause its insulting sometimes.

The best mis-representations of teenagers come in kids shows.

If somebody has a drag on a spliff they become hooked on drugs and can only be saved by the power of friendship.
If somebody brings a 6 pac of beer for 20 people, somebody most likely will end up pregnant, a relationship could be ruined and 2 close friends will argue and nearly end up in fisticuffs.
Skaters and punks are considered un-cool in comparison with preppy kids and those obsessed with fashion (that one always makes me laugh as alot of punk bands seem to think this is the case as well)
All teenagers will do anything to become 'cool' until they realise that it doesn't really matter if they have friends. They will, however, fall int othe same trap next week.
The teachers are all either wackily zany or incredibly dull.

Yeah, I would agree. Watch some pre-teen movies, and they ARE just like that.

I think you're expecting a bit much out of these films, they aren't The Matrix or Ghost in the Shell, afterall. Still, you are pretty much correct.
Don't get me started on The Matrix It's horribly overrated; people going on and on about how philosophical the movie is.. It's the fucking allegory of the cave! That's not profound, nor groundbreaking. Someone put Plato in a movie? So what, his texts are millenia old and including them in an action movie was novel, but nothing to get too impressed about. Then there were the sequels that approach another uncharted area.... fate. Yeah, so it turns out that we can choose our own destiny? I for one was shocked. The comparisons to the New Testament are.... well, weak. Oh, Morpheus is John the Baptist, Neo is Jesus, and now we can all be saved and go to the new Zion..... Wake me up when Thus Spake Zarathustra is an action flick, unless I've already missed it.

whos talking about animation? animation with those themes make sense, im talknig about their dumbass made for tv movies and stuff.

and i think they had one black person in one of them, i could be wrong
Guess you missed Remember the Titans? That was a Disney film. It starred Denzel Washington and about half of the cast was black.

Well if the teens were actually played by teens, it might be less retarded.

Yes! That is my biggest beef, since when do people in their 30's have what it takes to play an 18 year old? They don't!

Wake me up when Thus Spake Zarathustra is an action flick, unless I've already missed it.

I don't think the élitism would go over well with a culture that pretends very hard to be egalitarian.

Uh....no. Besides the fact that there would be dozens of kids there to beat you to a pulp, there's also the fact that the nerdy kids in real life are not always 90 pound weaklings. I personally have studied martial arts for ten years and work out three times a week. There is not one kid at my school who I could not easily trounce.

I think that depends on your school. I recall fights being somewhat rare at mine, much to the disappointment of us armchair streetfighters, and there were plenty of pushy kids.

Also, since when were martial artists nerdy?

I would juts like to state that the fact that the smart kids are always depicted as the "nerds" is COMPLETELY dumb! While granted i consider myself quite nerdy, in our school we don't truly have "nerds" and those who could be classified as the nerds in our tenth grade class are the dumb ones for goodness sakes! Also granted that a bunch of the "cool kids" are rather idiotic as well but that not the point . Most People in our grade who, may they be cool or just average, are really smart and the idiots are the loners

I think that depends on your school. I recall fights being somewhat rare at mine, much to the disappointment of us armchair streetfighters, and there were plenty of pushy kids.

Also, since when were martial artists nerdy?


no martial art arent nerdy in any way, they kick ass LITERALLY!

the matrix was a great film

the second one was mediocre, but made you want to see the last one.

Which makes it pure evil. I wish ide never seen the last film, it ruined the matrix for me.

At least morpheus survived, he was about the only character I wouldnt hate if they were a real person.

Anyway back to teen movies. Or pre teen ones. Or cool... punk kids are uncool, the average "punk" band you refer to is a bunch of nobodies making money off their angst. Power to them for doing so! But i think the term punk is a bit rich.

In real life punks and skaters are the rejects. But at least they were more popular than metallers. Like me.

Now how would I be portrayed in a teen movie? As a scary hard drug taking violent biker type probably. I would probably eb the character who tempts the other person into drugs and heavy metal, and they would become a jerk, only to be saved and reminded who they are by the power of friendship!

Which is just funny/ridiculous! The quiet innoffensive "Nice guy", who hasnt been in a fight since i was 11, and prefers nature to art.

Teen movies = crackpot

the matrix was a great film

the second one was mediocre, but made you want to see the last one.

Which makes it pure evil. I wish ide never seen the last film, it ruined the matrix for me.

At least morpheus survived, he was about the only character I wouldnt hate if they were a real person.

Anyway back to teen movies. Or pre teen ones. Or cool... punk kids are uncool, the average "punk" band you refer to is a bunch of nobodies making money off their angst. Power to them for doing so! But i think the term punk is a bit rich.

In real life punks and skaters are the rejects. But at least they were more popular than metallers. Like me.

Now how would I be portrayed in a teen movie? As a scary hard drug taking violent biker type probably. I would probably eb the character who tempts the other person into drugs and heavy metal, and they would become a jerk, only to be saved and reminded who they are by the power of friendship!

Which is just funny/ridiculous! The quiet innoffensive "Nice guy", who hasnt been in a fight since i was 11, and prefers nature to art.

OK! since when are skaters and punks rejects you must go to some crazy school because skaters make up the majority of our "cool" population!

Teen movies = crackpot



yes. mix some desperate hollywood producers and a bag of shitty pot and voila a teen movie occurs.... quite scientific don't you think

OK! since when are skaters and punks rejects you must go to some crazy school because skaters make up the majority of our "cool" population!

Oh, no, I just live in Kent, though, yeah in our school it was the same.

Though I havent been for a a year and half, what with having all growed up and left for uni. Where Im now in the minority again. But at least we have an active society (alternative music society) and more of a presence than the hardcore DnB ers or the dance fans (though not by muchin their case)

Oh and Im a reject and proud! lol \m/

They are the minority across England the "wierdo grungers" even though the slack jawed yokels who use the phrase confuse grunge with any sort of heavy rock.

No id say I (and Im guessing you) would be in the minority. Chav culture reigns supreme over here.

OK! since when are skaters and punks rejects you must go to some crazy school because skaters make up the majority of our "cool" population!
Dunno where the skaters are in terms of popularity at my HS, but I *hate* them - everyone of them has been as ass to be for no damn reason!

I am also a very rpoud reject but in a different way. im not punk in any way but nor am i preppy or hard core metal rocker i am just a very crazy very loud annoying person who makes most laugh.

Dunno where the skaters are in terms of popularity at my HS, but I *hate* them - everyone of them has been as ass to be for no damn reason!
yes granted some sakters can be complete asses but not all of them i have a few friends who are hard core skaters and they are some really nice people to hang around with.

Dunno where the skaters are in terms of popularity at my HS, but I *hate* them - everyone of them has been as ass to be for no damn reason!

haha yeah, they can be. Try serving them at 2 in the morning at a 24 hour garage. Thats enough to annoy anyone. At least they were all stoned, pacified, Id hate to see those kids when they start drinking. Or at least not holding a cattle prod at the time....

They are so lippy and awkward. I mean just because the chavs pick on them, they dont have to justify it. Plus they mostly haven realised that we dont live in a free country....

Edit there are few that arent like that, but bar a few exceptions they think the world owes them something.

OK! since when are skaters and punks rejects you must go to some crazy school because skaters make up the majority of our "cool" population!

In my school skaters were always cool, but a different kind of cool to your average trendy. most people just thought skating itself was pretty cool, even if they had no desire to do it

and to the guy who hates skaters. 90% of skaters are more genuine and friendly than most chavs or townies, but yea like any social group youre gonna get a few arseholes.

True. Skaters are only a nuisnace in herds. Every noticed that?

I think its the punk ethic, they (rarely suceed) try to live up to. But sadly many dont graps the actual point of it and insist on rebellion without a cause. So just being another slave to another trend.

But individually they are often polite and friendly. And they are always more harmless.

I hate preppy people, they're frickin rude. They step on others. I'm also a reject,but not those those really nerdy ppl, lol. I guess you could call me a renegade from the high-school norm. There is an amusing, online quiz that high-schoolers can take. It supposed to categorize them in certain groups. I find this hilarious...unfortunately I forgot the address.

OK, im talking from the point of view of a sater here, but skaters arent assholes in herds. maybe to a townie or a chav, but if another skater comes up, no matter how shit, thell always be friendly and help. if people would talk to skaters instead of simply writing them off as "insist[ing] on rebellion without a cause", when most arent. OK you get a few who are in it to be rebels, and to be different, but most skaters just want to be able to do what they enjoy without being hassled by passery by singing "he was a skater boy (the most annoying thing ever)" or shouting "fucking skaters" or something.

But individually they are often polite and friendly. And they are always more harmless.
i would agree with this. i have a few friends i made in school who are townies, and they are much more aggressive, and argumentative

Uh....no. Besides the fact that there would be dozens of kids there to beat you to a pulp, there's also the fact that the nerdy kids in real life are not always 90 pound weaklings. I personally have studied martial arts for ten years and work out three times a week. There is not one kid at my school who I could not easily trounce.
Oooh, an often forgotten stereotype: Karate-do kid!

Alright, there were like a whole bunch of movies made on that theme. And yes, they were also sickeningly good-guy-wins-cos-he's-good plots.

I had a point when I started this post.

You did? Holy crap, somebody call CNN!

Also, since when were martial artists nerdy?

They're not, that was my entire point. I, a nerd, study martial arts. I said that because you said the popular kids could easily win a figh and I disagree since the nerds at my school are just as good at fighting.

I thought that American Beauty, although not a teen film, had at least an adaquate portrayal of teenagers. I'm not saying it was particularly accurate or anything, but it didn't make you want to kick the tv screen in.

Six Feet Under doesn't do badly either, I think that Claire is pretty real.

They're not, that was my entire point. I, a nerd, study martial arts. I said that because you said the popular kids could easily win a figh and I disagree since the nerds at my school are just as good at fighting.
My best friend, who along with me is in a good few of the top classes (tho he does play some sports and does extracurricular stuff, like me), is rather muscular, and would prolly put up a good fight against anybody.

You did? Holy crap, somebody call CNN!
And they say you can't tell when someone's being sarcastic on the internet.

OK, im talking from the point of view of a sater here, but skaters arent assholes in herds. maybe to a townie or a chav, but if another skater comes up, no matter how shit, thell always be friendly and help. if people would talk to skaters instead of simply writing them off as "insist[ing] on rebellion without a cause", when most arent. OK you get a few who are in it to be rebels, and to be different, but most skaters just want to be able to do what they enjoy without being hassled by passery by singing "he was a skater boy (the most annoying thing ever)" or shouting "fucking skaters" or something.


i would agree with this. i have a few friends i made in school who are townies, and they are much more aggressive, and argumentative

I still disagree having dealt with them in bunches on several occasions.

that said, they are still less offensive than the fake burberry clad masses...

Hell, I've given up on my generation. That's why when I'm Reichschancellor of The United Imperial States of America, I'm going to make an extensive education program that will make them slightly intelligent...

I'm well liked, I'm really in the middle... thing is I'm too f***ing humble. Bah, damn ego, where'd it go...

Hahaha coming from a guy who beleives he can become the next great far right wing leader. *cough*contradiction in terms*cough*

Well, my generation on the whole isnt too great, but there are still a whole bunch of intellegent, ethical and considerate and generally cool people not to be a total lost.


In fact I thinks its mostly a reasonable bunch, spolied by a prolific handful of tosspots. Much like most of society. It only takes ten thugs robbing one person each a night, one year to terrorise a 30000 person town.

That sort of thing but applied to loudness, stupidity, crime, rudeness, general ignorance etc...

that said, they are still less offensive than the fake burberry clad masses...
well at least we can agree on this

The problem is, they don't have a lot of groups represented. And they don't have the people who aren't cookie cuttered into some groups. Take me:

APPEARANCE:
Nerd: Thick glasses.
Cool Kid: Awesome looking clothes compared to the rest of my A&F-wearing schoolmates.

ACTIONS:
Nerd: Computers.
Cool Kid: Everything else.

MUSIC:
Nerd: What the hell do nerds listen to, anyway?
Cool Kid: Metallica, Linkin Park, Saliva, Drowning Pool, etc.

LOOK, IT'S SOMEONE WEARING ABERCROMBIE! :mp5:

To come from a school with a deep-running hate for preps to a school chock full of them didn't work too well. What does that make me? Anti-prep-cool-nerd-dude-guy?

I don't think the élitism would go over well with a culture that pretends very hard to be egalitarian.
Now you're just being silly. Zarathustra's wonderful condemnation of communism would be reason enough for many viewers to fall in love with him. (right before he does a backflip into the foolish mob and lets the streets run red...)

OK, im talking from the point of view of a sater here, but skaters arent assholes in herds. maybe to a townie or a chav, but if another skater comes up, no matter how shit, thell always be friendly and help.
Uh, so your defence is that a certain group of people (skaters) aren't a buch of assholes because, when they're in herds they're only assholes to people outside of the group (townies and chavs, whatever the hell those mean), and they do not mistreat other people in the same group. That's like saying "white supremacists might be mean to niggers, but if another white person comes up...". (No, I'm not comparing Skaters to Nazis. It's just an analogy.)
Your argument is flawed and it doesn't help that you're apparently unable to form coherent sentences. What exactly does "no matter how shit" mean?

no, what i mean is to 90% of the population they are friendly and helpful, but to certain groups who are hateful towards them, they behave in the same way back. so really, when you say that theyre like white supremists ("white supremacists might be mean to niggers, but if another white person comes up...") then that argument doesnt hold water, because a white supremist is going to hate a black person even if the black person is being friendly to them, whereas a skater (or most skaters) will treat someone as that person treats them.

you dont know what a townie is...imagine someone with a shaved head, possibly very short hair full of gel, white tracksuit by adidas, nike, kappa or le coq sportif (or in many cases wearing fake burberry), gold jewellery. generally go round insulting people, starting fights and destroying things. very annoying. same for a chav

"no matter how shit" needs to be taken in context with the sentence. i means than no matter how shit at skating another skater is, people will always try to help them

no, what i mean is to 90% of the population they are friendly and helpful, but to certain groups who are hateful towards them, they behave in the same way back. so really, when you say that theyre like white supremists ("white supremacists might be mean to niggers, but if another white person comes up...") then that argument doesnt hold water, because a white supremist is going to hate a black person even if the black person is being friendly to them, whereas a skater (or most skaters) will treat someone as that person treats them.

you dont know what a townie is...imagine someone with a shaved head, possibly very short hair full of gel, white tracksuit by adidas, nike, kappa or le coq sportif (or in many cases wearing fake burberry), gold jewellery. generally go round insulting people, starting fights and destroying things. very annoying. same for a chav

"no matter how shit" needs to be taken in context with the sentence. i means than no matter how shit at skating another skater is, people will always try to help them
Well, I'd suggest rephrasing your post, then. You said not a word about "90% of the population", and didn't say anything about a "townie or chav" acting in a negative way first. You simply said that if someone is a townie or chav, they may be mistreated by a group of skaters, but if that person was another skater, this wouldn't be the case. The way you structured your statements implies (1) large groups of skaters might be abusive to two groups of people, regardless of how those townies or chavs behaved (you made no reference to those groups doing a damn thing to the skaters, but merely rely on the assumption that any people you can categorize into those groups will behave in a certain way towards skaters. That's prejudice, so I'd have to say that it is one hell of a lot like making snap judgements about blacks.) and (2) that other skaters, and only other skaters, would be treated with kindness. Look at your words. Maybe you meant one thing, but you sure as hell didn't say it.
By the way, "shit" is a noun. You're using it as an adjective. The English language enables you to communicate with the rest of us, so why do you feel a need to mistreat it after all it's done for you?

And they say you can't tell when someone's being sarcastic on the internet.

They do? Holy crap!

Hahaha coming from a guy who beleives he can become the next great far right wing leader. *cough*contradiction in terms*cough*

Actually, anything in German sounds more important. I'm really a Libertarian, but if it will decrease stupidity... anyway, I'm Cuban ironically O_o

my post was directed towards someone who had already used the word "Chav" so obviously he knew what it meant, and what most chavs are like, so i didnt feel the need to describe them, but seeing as you asked, i did. i never implied in any way that only other skaters would be treated with kindness, what i said was that chavs wouldnt generally be treated with kindness, which is generally what i was talking to the other poster about (the attitude of skaters compared with the attitude of chavs), and even then i included "maybe" implying that it depends on the skater and the chav in question.

and i think youll find that despite what the OED might say, in modern language use (or at least in Northern Ireland) "shit" is both an adjective and a noun. and to be honest ive always felt that when someone has to stoop to attacking someones grammar then its a sign theyve run out of an argument

At my high school we have no sports teams or cheerleaders. It is a paradise for outcast, nerds, and drama actors.
All of the groups are in chaos as the normal cliche' breakdown as the theater actors become the high society the debate team gets a spirit rally.
No one really cares about rebelling.

This might be a bit uncouth, but the Nazi representation of the stereotypical Jew was closer to the mark.


O_o

Uhm... no? I have to disagree.

Uh....no. Besides the fact that there would be dozens of kids there to beat you to a pulp, there's also the fact that the nerdy kids in real life are not always 90 pound weaklings. I personally have studied martial arts for ten years and work out three times a week. There is not one kid at my school who I could not easily trounce.

Who would defend another? People are cowards, don't rely on them. And your confidence is not needed. Their's always someone tougher.

Actually, anything in German sounds more important. I'm really a Libertarian, but if it will decrease stupidity... anyway, I'm Cuban ironically O_o

Argh! no i confused you with roach Busters, sorry. I know your libertarian!

Id explain my own (leftish, moderately liberal) viewpoint here but id feel out of place. None of my NS nations reflect my real views properly.

I used CHAV: and to me it only includes the ones that act like morons, not just every badly dressed person/fashion victim in Britain.

You cant judge by groupings or clothes, but how they act i think is a fair cop.
And Ive seen plenty of chavs (of the sort I refer to) hurl abuse at and push around skaters. I know people who have been robbed because of how they look, and so on. They have intruded apon the sleep of every person in the town with their ruded up cars....

But remember chavs are just the stupid morons that do that. 90% of the population are not chavs and are infact fine.

What does defending another have to do with anything? If a person walks down the hall shoving everybody out of the way, then everybody who had been shoved out of the way would beat the crap out of them. Where do you rely on another?

They're not, that was my entire point. I, a nerd, study martial arts. I said that because you said the popular kids could easily win a figh and I disagree since the nerds at my school are just as good at fighting.

Er... no, somebody else said that.

What's a burberry?

Marxlan, English in the UK is different from English in America. They have different slangs, sayings, phrases, etc. Get over it, and quit bitching about it.

Anyone from the UK, can you give me a rundown of the typical stereotypical social groups, what they're called and a short description? I remember recently explaining to someone else what "Geek" and "Jock" were, and now I'd kinda like some insight from across the pond ;)

The other extreme is Dawson's Creek. :eek:

Anyway, people go to teen movies to laugh at how pathetic the characters are. A movie in which the cynical existentialists are at the sane end of the spectrum at a school...that would not make money.

i never implied in any way that only other skaters would be treated with kindness, what i said was that chavs wouldnt generally be treated with kindness, which is generally what i was talking to the other poster about
Yes, you did imply that only other skater would be treated with kindness. Here's what you typed:
"OK, im talking from the point of view of a sater here, but skaters arent assholes in herds. maybe to a townie or a chav, but if another skater comes up, no matter how shit, thell always be friendly and help."
I'm sorry, but where is your reference to the rest of the population? You said not one word about anyone who does not fit into one of your groups. This at least implies an indifference to anyone who is not in one of those groups. Now, how can I help but concluding from this that you show preference to someone in need if he fits into your group, given that there's no reference to being kind or helpful to someone who is not a "skater". If "skaters" really act like that in groups, (that is, helping other "skaters" and, I can only assume, ignoring non-"skaters") than yes, they are being assholes.
As for your grammar, it may have been a trivial point (though you mangle the language in some other instances as well), and I suppose you have a point when you say it indicates I had no more arguments... because I'd already made my arguments and there was nothing left to say, save for pointing out your perceived misuse of the language.

Here's something I never understood. This especially applies for any/all 80's teen movies.

You'll have a group of kids with a big bag of pot, three things of scotch, and like five needles ready to go...and they try to give it all away

What the hell? That's one god damn friendly school.




Oh, and I also love how, if they DON'T give it away, they'll try to FUCKING MURDER THE PERSON. Seriouisly, sometime before the end of the movie, at least ONE of the druggies will try to kill the main guy. It's crazy.


Heh...heheh...anyone ever see Reefer Madness? That's some funny shit :p.

"Why yes, pass me that maryjowana ciggarette"

Well, anyone watched "The Breakfast Club?"

I believe this is the best teen movie of all time. Sure it has some sterotypical things in it, but its actually a great movie depicting true teen struggles. Even though it was made in the 80's, it still applies today. (BTW, I'm also a teenager) The Breakfast Club isn't like trashy 90's teen flicks like "American Pie" But, that movie was funny too, in a crude sense.

Somehow, Holywood teen movies really fell off the face of the Earth in quality after about 1990 or so. Note I'll expand the term "brat pack" to include most 80s teen actors whose careers tanked in the 90s, folks like Charlie Sheen, or Lea Thompson (to a lesser extent).

I mean, in the 80s...
The Outsiders (the brat pack experience angst)
Dirty Dancing (the brat pack discover economic and social inequality)
The Breakfast Club (the brat pack find themselves)
Red Dawn (the brat pack kick commie butt)
The Karate Kid (the brat (pack?) confront the school bully
St. Elmo's Fire (the brat pack get ready for the real world)
...and dozens more

...and the actors didn't play stereotypes of teenagers!

I reckon my high school is divided into 5 groups:

Cool, popular: The people who, although "cool", are easily approachable, hang out with the uncool people occasionally, and generally treat us like human beings. These include most of the cool group girls (since I live in Australia, we don't get any bitchy cheerleaders), some of the sporty guys. Some of the more charismatic drama ppl are also in this group.

Cool, unpopular: Try-hards, bullies etc etc. These are the people who are cool, but no-one actually likes. They mainly stick in groups, and have a way to high opinion of themselves. They tend to bully, but you can ignore them easy enough as they aren't that smart. People in this group are the spoilt rich kids, some of the athletes who are obsessed with their ability, and bullies.

Uncool, popular: These are the kids who, although are not popular, are friendly, funny and generally well liked. These people make up most of the year.

Uncool, unpopular: These are the loners, the stoner's and the weirdo's. The nerds and the sci-fi freaks fit into this group as well. These guys are not cool, and they are not popular. They stay by themselve's mostly, and its hard to be friendly to them.

Me: The last group. Far from cool, yet not uncool. Relatively well liked (or well put up with). Oddball, Funny, I can usually fit in with whatever group I want to.

BTW, I was wondering if you guys over in America are really ASSIGNED ranks in the school popularity scale when you arrive. For example:
Cheerleader
Jock
Nerd
I know it's is stereotypical, and probably not as bad as you see in the movies, but please explain?

I blame television for today's morass of stupid teenagers.

1. Goths/OMG NOES ANGST!!!111!!111 - Should listen to their own moanings and commit suicide, just to clear the earth of their idiocy.

2. Whores - Will all get STDs, get pregnant, and become eternal welfare losers.

3. "Urban" tards - Will end up at McDonalds/Burger King, flipping patties for the rest of their miserable, pathetic lives. Or get addicted to drugs and end up on welfare, eating away at my paycheck.

4. Fashion whores - Should STFU about what they're wearing.

5. Emo losers - Should stop being crying fuckwits, or listen to their own moanings and commit suicide, just to clear the earth of their idiocy.

Let's not forget eveyone is whhite in a disney animation...

Lilo and Stitch
Pocahontas
Aladdin
Brother Bear
The Jungle Book
Mulan

Oh yes, they're all white, by God.[/sarcasm]

Lilo and Stitch
Pocahontas
Aladdin
Brother Bear
The Jungle Book

Oh yes, they're all white, by God.[/sarcasm]

Don't forget Mulan. Dayum, that was just FULL of white folks.

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And it's not just the minor details, like how the 'ugly geeky kid' is unbelievably attractive, but some major stuff that any person who has ever been a teenager should know. Like when you walk down the hallway at school, in the movies the popular kid just shoves everybody out of the way and be damned to the nerds. In real life, if you made a straight line and shoved everybody out of the way without even an apology you would get the shit kicked out of you. I mean literally, you would be beaten to such an extent that you would lose bladder control and feces would exit the body.
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No. If you're popular or respected you can beat the shit out of most people without having to worry about much of anything.
Where the hell do you go to school? The last time I watched a "popular" guy push a "nerd" out of his way at my school, he learned the hard way that B.J. Havenga happens to be a black belt. Then there was the time that me and 3 friends jumped 2 football players who were picking on Graham Whateverthehellhisnamewas. Anyways, in my school, nobody f****s wit nobody, because everybody knows how to whip some ass. And if you don't then you are almost guaranteed that someone else will get your back and help you out. But maybe thats because we're just a bunch of rednecks...

Dude, everybody at my school is all respectful and nice to like everybody. I want a little warring and such. What happened to Jocks versus Nerds? How we gonna get a school shooting at this rate? :p jock :mp5: goth :sniper: nerd :D Me.

Teen Movies are only for clevage and making fun of afterwords. and besides, Sometimes we act that way too. As for us being stupid, I ha

I reckon my high school is divided into 5 groups:

Cool, popular: The people who, although "cool", are easily approachable, hang out with the uncool people occasionally, and generally treat us like human beings. These include most of the cool group girls (since I live in Australia, we don't get any bitchy cheerleaders), some of the sporty guys. Some of the more charismatic drama ppl are also in this group.

Cool, unpopular: Try-hards, bullies etc etc. These are the people who are cool, but no-one actually likes. They mainly stick in groups, and have a way to high opinion of themselves. They tend to bully, but you can ignore them easy enough as they aren't that smart. People in this group are the spoilt rich kids, some of the athletes who are obsessed with their ability, and bullies.

Uncool, popular: These are the kids who, although are not popular, are friendly, funny and generally well liked. These people make up most of the year.

Uncool, unpopular: These are the loners, the stoner's and the weirdo's. The nerds and the sci-fi freaks fit into this group as well. These guys are not cool, and they are not popular. They stay by themselve's mostly, and its hard to be friendly to them.

Me: The last group. Far from cool, yet not uncool. Relatively well liked (or well put up with). Oddball, Funny, I can usually fit in with whatever group I want to.

BTW, I was wondering if you guys over in America are really ASSIGNED ranks in the school popularity scale when you arrive. For example:
Cheerleader
Jock
Nerd
I know it's is stereotypical, and probably not as bad as you see in the movies, but please explain?

No, and never take anything in an American movie as being fact. And if it says "based on a true story, then you damn well KNOW its a lie.

My school is divided like so:

Rednecks: me and almost every white guy there

Blacks: they don't mess wit us, we don't mess wit them, and we actually like a few of em

Cheerleaders: means diddly squat. some of the hottest chicas at my school are not cheerleaders, and some of the ugliest are

the hot chicks: yup, they get invited to all the parties, and as long as they put out or bring lots of liquor they pretty much own this place

Nerds: None, really. Since most of the rednecks are still pretty handy with a CPU no one makes fun of a nerd for it. and they don't work any harder than the rest of us.

Stoners: Hell, we all smoke. I smoke cigarettes, weed, and drink. Everyone else is the same damn way. No stoners stand out. Crack heads do though ;)

Skaters: Bunch of queers, we grew out of that in the 7th damn grade. Get a life, go fishing and drink a beer. we have no skaters left.

Basically, my school is a general mix, where almost everyone is fairly athletic and no one can really claim to be entirely without friends. And trust me, we have no goddamn skaters.

I am going to make a quickie script for a disney teen movie:

Boy walks in room. Dad is in 30's, white (But of course!) and reading a newspaper on the couch. He's still wearing his suit even though he left work at 5 PM and it's now 10:30 PM.

Boy: Dad?
Dad: Yes son?
Boy: Did you.. Finds my stash?
Dad: Yes son. But it's okay, because we're a family! *Both chuckle happily and hug*
Boy: Since I lost my addiction 3 seconds ago, I killed a policeman!

Policeman walks in house with cast on and in wheelchair

Policeman: It's okay, because you only hit me where the piece of shrapnel that I got in 'Nam would have killed me. The bullet pushed it out and saved me from a crippling diesease!

Everyone laughs. Mom walks in with apron on and two pies, one in each hand.

Mom: Who wants pie!!?!
Everyone: Me!

Boy's girlfriend runs in

GIrlfriend: I love you Kenny!

Everyone: Awwww...

The next day at the pizza parlour...

Boy: Oh, hey Jim. What a coincdence, you appear to be sitting down at my table.

Jim: I'm sorry I fought with you Kenny.

Boy: We are friends! YAY!

Everyone in parlour cheers wildly for no apparent reason

You know, Ashton Kutcher did get his degree from the U of Iowa in biochem...

I am going to make a quickie script for a disney teen movie:

Boy walks in room. Dad is in 30's, white (But of course!) and reading a newspaper on the couch. He's still wearing his suit even though he left work at 5 PM and it's now 10:30 PM.

Boy: Dad?
Dad: Yes son?
Boy: Did you.. Finds my stash?
Dad: Yes son. But it's okay, because we're a family! *Both chuckle happily and hug*
Boy: Since I lost my addiction 3 seconds ago, I killed a policeman!

Policeman walks in house with cast on and in wheelchair

Policeman: It's okay, because you only hit me where the piece of shrapnel that I got in 'Nam would have killed me. The bullet pushed it out and saved me from a crippling diesease!

Everyone laughs. Mom walks in with apron on and two pies, one in each hand.

Mom: Who wants pie!!?!
Everyone: Me!

Boy's girlfriend runs in

GIrlfriend: I love you Kenny!

Everyone: Awwww...

THE END


Wha...

You forgot the most important part-when the two best friends, who had a fight, make up at a nearby pizza parlour after school!

You know, Ashton Kutcher did get his degree from the U of Iowa in biochem...

And Butterfly Effect was pretty cool.

Whoops! Silly me! I'll edit that now...

lol where? In the background? My point is they are racially biased. There were no white people in Greece during the time of Hercules. Furthermore Thebes was in Kemmet(Egypt fo the non-educated) which would mean there would be a shiteload of Black people.Yet they all are white...
Thebes was also a city in Greece, and formerly the largest city in Boethiah. Although, I didn't watch the movie, so I wouldn't know which it was refering to, although Hercules was supposed to be in the Greek one.

As for teen movies, yeah, they're stupid. So what? If you don't like them, why watch them?

As for teen movies, yeah, they're stupid. So what? If you don't like them, why watch them?
BECAUSE THEY'RE STUPID! Ever see Kung-Pow? Beach explained disney pretty well except theyplace it under the name Buena Vista or Touchstone.

"Fast Times at Ridgemont High" was the only good teen movie ever. It was loosely based on a book by the same title written by Cameron Crowe. He spent a year undercover researching it at Clairmont High School in California and based the characters on real teens.

OMG I know! We may be idiots but we're not THAT bad.

Although, I have to say in real life the "ugly geeky kid" usually IS really attractive... but only to me, apparently. And of course he doesn't date, so even I don't have a chance.

Why is it that in every teen movie I have ever seen the stars always make Forest Gump look like he should be up for the Nobel Prize in advanced biochemistry (NOTE:1 I have no idea if there actually is a Nobel Prize for advanced biochemistry, it just sounds very intelligent)? 2 I mean seriously, do the script writers think that real life teenagers act like that? 3 Do they think they look like that? This might be a bit uncouth, but the Nazi representation of the stereotypical Jew was closer to the mark.

And it's not just the minor details,4 like how the 'ugly geeky kid' is unbelievably attractive, but some major stuff that any person who has ever been a teenager should know. 5 Like when you walk down the hallway at school, in the movies the popular kid just shoves everybody out of the way and be damned to the nerds. In real life, if you made a straight line and shoved everybody out of the way without even an apology you would get the shit kicked out of you. I mean literally, you would be beaten to such an extent that you would lose bladder control and feces would exit the body.
6In all seriousness, do adults actually think we act like that? 7Cause if so I'm gonna kill myself as soon as I turn twenty-one to prevent the inevitable plunge into idiocy that will soon ensue.
1. You made a statement that you admitted you had no actual Idea about, and then you said you thought that sounded Intelligent? Duh. You just Qualified for the Movies.
2.No, because they know no adult with a job who buys the tickets would pay to see the staggering ignorance of the real life teenager thrown in their face.
3. No, it is an exaggerated characture, you know to be entertaining.
4.Maybe that is done to target the Ugly Geeky demographic, maybe make them feel better about themselves so they are willing to spend the cash to see the movie in the theatre and then buy the DVD for home veiwing.
5. I dont know about you and your friends or what strange little sheltered place you grew up in, we used to seize people up and throw them in dumpsters, walk down the hall and smack heads like the three stooges, and if you knew whatwas good for you, you didnt sh*t.
Now, I agree that the puss highschool football guy could not have gotten away with that in my school, but then the burn-outs were meaner then the jocks in my school, but every school has dominant clique. where do you live?
6. No, we dont find the real way teenagers act amuzing or entertaining at all.
7. Wow, thanks for the perfect example of Teenage mellodrama, and feeling of self ceteredness that extends to the belief that you have already finished growing mentally and have experienced all the life changing events you will.
I think your career as a movie teen will be great.

1. You made a statement that you admitted you had no actual Idea about, and then you said you thought that sounded Intelligent? Duh. You just Qualified for the Movies.
2.No, because they know no adult with a job who buys the tickets would pay to see the staggering ignorance of the real life teenager thrown in their face.
3. No, it is an exaggerated characture, you know to be entertaining.
4.Maybe that is done to target the Ugly Geeky demographic, maybe make them feel better about themselves so they are willing to spend the cash to see the movie in the theatre and then buy the DVD for home veiwing.
5. I dont know about you and your friends or what strange little sheltered place you grew up in, we used to seize people up and throw them in dumpsters, walk down the hall and smack heads like the three stooges, and if you knew whatwas good for you, you didnt sh*t.
Now, I agree that the puss highschool football guy could not have gotten away with that in my school, but then the burn-outs were meaner then the jocks in my school, but every school has dominant clique. where do you live?
6. No, we dont find the real way teenagers act amuzing or entertaining at all.
7. Wow, thanks for the perfect example of Teenage mellodrama, and feeling of self ceteredness that extends to the belief that you have already finished growing mentally and have experienced all the life changing events you will.
I think your career as a movie teen will be great.

1) No, I thought that a 'Nobel Prize for advanced biochemistry' sounded like an award that would require intelligence to achieve, I did not think that it made me look intelligent when I said it.
2) Thank you for answering a question I posed. You might have done it with the air of a condescending jackass, but you still responded.
3) Except it is not exaggerated. Exaggerated would be if the ugly kids were extra-ugly, the attractive kids extra-attractive, etc. Instead everybody is good looking and in their mid-20's or early-30's.
4) Except that I am an ugly geek (Well, I'm not that ugly, but I wont be winning the Mr. Universe contest any time soon) and I hold nothing but contempt for the way we are portrayed on the big screen. My ugly geek friends feel the same way.
5) The mention of the feces was to give weight to my statement, a way to imply the severity of the beating the 'popular' kid would receive. Often times the term 'beat the shit out of' is used to describe a fight where a person didn't even receive any physical marks from the fight. Thus, I described a situation in which gives the impression that it is beyond a common day hall fight.
6) *See Number Two*
7) You have shown that you are completely ignorant of the fact that I was not serious, I was not attempting to be melodramatic, and I in no way feel that I have reached my intellectual peak. You have simply lumped me in with the 'teen' group and assigned to me the labels that you apply to everyone else within a decade of my age.

Now, you seem to be of the opinion that you are smarter than me. I do not know you, thus I can not refute this. However, I would like to ask you a few questions. When was the last time read Greek & Roman literature for fun? I read the Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Aeneid in July. When was the last time you went out of your way to explore a religion for no reason other than simple curiosity? I bought and read the Koran in September for no reason beyond the pursuit of knowledge. When was the last time you read a Shakespeare play because you actually enjoy his work? I read Othello and King Lear in April.

I will not say I am smarter than you, I do not know you and reading a single post of yours on an internet forum is no way to judge a person, but I will say that your idiotic and stereotypical view of me as a dumb teenager is wrong. As a person who I assume is older than I am, you really need to grow up.

Hello people... They are only movies, designed to be removed from reality, otherwise they'd be documentaries.. :headbang:

Get over it. If you don't like the genre, don't watch it, but don't whinge about it.. It just shows your stupidity, especially as teen movies are aimed at teens..

Most teenagers I know enjoy watching a story that gives a bit of drama, a little bit of comedy, and a happy ending.. Why is it that some people feel that the youth of today should be watching 'realistic' movies and television programming.

They're still kids.. Let them revel in their fantasies while they can. Soon enough they'll have to worry about the real world of jobs, morgages and bills. And probably the responsibility of their own children..

Like I said, if you don't enjoy the teen movie genre, don't watch it, but let your criticisms be constructive and not offensive for those who do enjoy the detachment from reality that this genre provides.

:D

Hmm people being shoved. I find that most people are very hard to bring into confrontation, so they would just yell or ignore being shoved before automatically attacking that person. As for owning the hallways that wouldn't happen for to long. Eventually they will shove the one person not capable of restraint who will fly off the handle and smash their face in. And as for the comment with people being cowards, I agree. They really are in fact cowards however not all are. There are people like me who go around and even things up a bit. I bring with me an old sense of honor. I keep fights fair and I put people in their places. I mean ego checking is a specialty of mine. It just needs to be done to keep order. Any one having to much power is bad. Unless of course it is already determined that they would give it up after a set time. Or if it is an odd case where they never use the power in a truly negative way.Hmm dictatorship anyone?its what the people need!!!!

"Honor bound I walk a path of blood as my enemies falter."

I reckon my high school is divided into 5 groups:

Cool, popular: The people who, although "cool", are easily approachable, hang out with the uncool people occasionally, and generally treat us like human beings. These include most of the cool group girls (since I live in Australia, we don't get any bitchy cheerleaders), some of the sporty guys. Some of the more charismatic drama ppl are also in this group.

Cool, unpopular: Try-hards, bullies etc etc. These are the people who are cool, but no-one actually likes. They mainly stick in groups, and have a way to high opinion of themselves. They tend to bully, but you can ignore them easy enough as they aren't that smart. People in this group are the spoilt rich kids, some of the athletes who are obsessed with their ability, and bullies.

Uncool, popular: These are the kids who, although are not popular, are friendly, funny and generally well liked. These people make up most of the year.

Uncool, unpopular: These are the loners, the stoner's and the weirdo's. The nerds and the sci-fi freaks fit into this group as well. These guys are not cool, and they are not popular. They stay by themselve's mostly, and its hard to be friendly to them.

Me: The last group. Far from cool, yet not uncool. Relatively well liked (or well put up with). Oddball, Funny, I can usually fit in with whatever group I want to.

BTW, I was wondering if you guys over in America are really ASSIGNED ranks in the school popularity scale when you arrive. For example:
Cheerleader
Jock
Nerd
I know it's is stereotypical, and probably not as bad as you see in the movies, but please explain?

they arent. It doesnt really happen. In real life people just drift into their group.

Oh and wait til uni, when about half the people are stoners.


Funnily enough, the sci fi types/geeks etc are generally happy with each other as friends. Most people try to talk to others at some point, if they have anything interesting to say. I didnt talk to half my year at school because while they were generally friendly and intellegent, they were also all very shallow. No one seemed to say anything interesting. Instead I stayed to my small friend group and talked to a few of the funnier ones occasionally.

If you think this is bad, in Bollywood films (Indian/Pakistani/etc) they frequently have actors in their late 30s playing 20 year olds.