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http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66966

The BBC had an article on this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3732718.stm

Cool. About time that those enemies of freedom are taken on.

The BBC had an article on this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3732718.stm

Not much more information on there than on the re-erected Indymedia pages.

Cool. About time that those enemies of freedom are taken on.

Yawn.

It wasn't a shutdown, otherwise how could you post a link to a site that was shutdown?

And according to the BBC article it was at the request of Italy and Sweden. Perhaps a comment from those authorities might shed some light?

Not much more information on there than on the re-erected Indymedia pages.

Yeah, but I thought you might like an objective source.

It was on the Register too, 3 days ago even.
http://www.theregister.com/2004/10/08/fbi_indymedia_raids/

Basically it could be about pictures taken by protesters, of undercover cops.

I see nothing wrong with that. Use their own weapons against them.

It's a BS reason if you think of it. There could be undercover cops in demonstrations anywhere, and the feds only have to say there was an undercover cop there somewhere and that will be enough to confiscate information. This is a dangerous trend. If cameras (placing images on servers, not through corporate approved and thorougly censored media) are forbidden, how will police brutality be exposed?

What is Indymedia exactly?

It wasn't a shutdown, otherwise how could you post a link to a site that was shutdown?


The UK site of Indymedia is back up and running but several of the other 20 sites affected are still offline.

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No nevermind...I just read about it from those links.

[Bodies Without Organs #5]
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Originally Posted by Jever Pilsener
Cool. About time that those enemies of freedom are taken on.

Yawn.

Bodies needs a nap.

Let's see,... posting names of law enforcement agents sounds like a nasty offense to me.

How about to you..?

One less piece of garbage on the net.

It wasn't a shutdown, otherwise how could you post a link to a site that was shutdown?


The UK site of Indymedia is back up and running but several of the other 20 sites affected are still offline.
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That's exactly my point... there was no shutdown in the first place.

US seizes webservers from independent media sites
Monday October 11, 2004

American authorities have shut down 20 independent media centres by seizing their British-based webservers.
On Thursday a court order was issued to Rackspace, an American-owned web hosting company in Uxbridge, Middlesex, forcing it to hand over two servers used by Indymedia, an international media network which covers of social justice issues and provides a "news-wire", to which its users contribute.

The websites affected by the seizure span 17 countries.

It wasn't a shutdown, otherwise how could you post a link to a site that was shutdown?

It was a shutdown, in that the site was no longer operational and some content was lost: since then it has come back up online. Straightforward enough?

Let's see,... posting names of law enforcement agents sounds like a nasty offense to me.

Not being familiar with Swiss/Italian law in detail I don't know whether doing so is against the law in those countries. I am sure it is not illegal in the UK. How about wherever you are located?

Not being familiar with Swiss/Italian law in detail I don't know whether doing so is against the law in those countries. I am sure it is not illegal in the UK. How about wherever you are located?
American Newspapers do happen to print the names of law enforcement officers....unless a Judge signs a gag order...

Land of the free?

In the laaaaaaand of the freeeeeee.... my aaaassssss

[Bodies Without Organs #17]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
Let's see,... posting names of law enforcement agents sounds like a nasty offense to me.

Not being familiar with Swiss/Italian law in detail I don't know whether doing so is against the law in those countries. I am sure it is not illegal in the UK. How about wherever you are located?

If it isn't, it should be.

Those responsible for (essentially) targetting law enforcement agents for violence should be charged with that offense. Attempted assault at the least, or attempted murder, or worse.

The authorities were nice enough to ask them first. That shows MUCH more constraint than I would have applied.

In the laaaaaaand of the freeeeeee.... my aaaassssss

From the land of Giggy, that brought us all Herr Hitl.... oh... I'm not supposed to bring that up,... am I..

Sorry.

Land of the free?

The server was based in the UK. The FBI only acted because the server was hosted by a US company called Rackspace.com. This company is also stationed in the UK. The FBI acted because Swiss and Italian authorities asked so.

This be the 'wretched' info which 'ought to be deleted'. It actually was deleted from IMC Nantes a week ago, after a Indymedia volunteer got harrased by the FBI: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mtoups/nantes/copsinnantes.htm

Not every IMC is down, but 20 are down right now. Some are being build up. As of now, Indymedia has not received any note why the harddisks were raided.

More info available in various press releases by Indymedia.org and local IMCs as well as some posts on Slashdot.org.

From the land of Giggy, that brought us all Herr Hitl.... oh... I'm not supposed to bring that up,... am I..

Sorry.
Who was well funded with money of which a good deal came from the laaand ooof the fre...oh wait...those are of course lies. Cause Americans are as pure as Jesus is said to have been.

From the land of Giggy, that brought us all Herr Hitl.... oh... I'm not supposed to bring that up,... am I..

Sorry.

FYI: Hitler was from Austria.

Cool. About time that those enemies of freedom are taken on.
congrats, you're a hypocrate

Those responsible for (essentially) targetting law enforcement agents for violence should be charged with that offense. Attempted assault at the least, or attempted murder, or worse.

The authorities were nice enough to ask them first. That shows MUCH more constraint than I would have applied.

The point of revealing undercover agent provocateurs or infiltrators into the movement is to announce that these people are not to be trusted. Thus their cover is blown and they will be removed from their role and the forces of law and order suffer a setback. That is why these people have had their names and pictures published - not to list them as targets, but to announce them for what they are.

congrats, you're a hypocrate
No. I'm not a hypocrate. Whats a hypocrate?
Media must be controlled so that they will not spread dangerouse subversive views into the free society.

No. I'm not a hypocrate. Whats a hypocrate?
Media must be controlled so that they will not spread dangerouse subversive views into the free society.
Repeat after me: "Contradiction in terms."

Unless you're a communist, of course.

No. I'm not a hypocrate. Whats a hypocrate?
Media must be controlled so that they will not spread dangerouse subversive views into the free society.
yes mein fuhrer

yes mein fuhrer
Good. Now go spread our Good News to the masses Joseph.

[Jever Pilsener #24]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
From the land of Giggy, that brought us all Herr Hitl.... oh... I'm not supposed to bring that up,... am I..

Sorry.

Who was well funded with money of which a good deal came from the laaand ooof the fre...oh wait...those are of course lies. Cause Americans are as pure as Jesus is said to have been.

Heh he he he he... Jevy's gotta stiffy to bash America with.

Go Jevy, go.. Bash away pal..! :D

[LuSiD #25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
From the land of Giggy, that brought us all Herr Hitl.... oh... I'm not supposed to bring that up,... am I..

Sorry.

FYI: Hitler was from Austria.

Yes,.. but Germany seemed to bring out "the real guy" in him.

I attribute that to Germany.

No. I'm not a hypocrate. Whats a hypocrate?
Media must be controlled so that they will not spread dangerouse subversive views into the free society.

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. -- Abraham Lincoln

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

United States of America, where did the above great morals went to? Yet the morals involving religion tend to be kept. Better be careful, or /dev/null might suffer from karoshi...

[LuSiD #25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
From the land of Giggy, that brought us all Herr Hitl.... oh... I'm not supposed to bring that up,... am I..

Sorry.

FYI: Hitler was from Austria.

Yes,.. but Germany seemed to bring out "the real guy" in him.

I attribute that to Germany.

seemed, yes. Highly debatable though. Fact is that, FWIW, he was from Austria.

Heh he he he he... Jevy's gotta stiffy to bash America with.

Go Jevy, go.. Bash away pal..! :D
Not necessary. The US is the most vile nation ever. All the scum of Europe went there. Those who were unwanted in society. That makes Americans the decendents of despical lowlives.

[Bodies Without Organs #27]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
Those responsible for (essentially) targetting law enforcement agents for violence should be charged with that offense. Attempted assault at the least, or attempted murder, or worse.

The authorities were nice enough to ask them first. That shows MUCH more constraint than I would have applied.

The point of revealing undercover agent provocateurs or infiltrators into the movement is to announce that these people are not to be trusted. Thus their cover is blown and they will be removed from their role and the forces of law and order suffer a setback. That is why these people have had their names and pictures published - not to list them as targets, but to announce them for what they are.

It makes no difference WHY they were "outed".

It exposes them (the law enforcement agents) to attack, and those who revealed them should pay a price.

Now, if "the movement" really considered their cause just then they'd be more than happy to pay that price.

It would strengthen their cause.

[Jever Pilsener #36]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo

Heh he he he he... Jevy's gotta stiffy to bash America with.

Go Jevy, go.. Bash away pal..!

Not necessary. The US is the most vile nation ever. All the scum of Europe went there. Those who were unwanted in society. That makes Americans the decendents of despical lowlives.

HEH HE HE HE HE HE HE...! :D

Jevy's got a really BIG stiffy for America.

Too bad Jevy has shown us his/her mind is a hatred consumed juvenile bigot's little squack-knob.

Put your jammies on little one. And try not to be pulling your wanker in public anymore than absolutely necessary.

It makes no difference WHY they were "outed".

It exposes them (the law enforcement agents) to attack, and those who revealed them should pay a price.

If the true fear of the authorities was that law enforcement agent had their identity revealed and thus were potentially open to attack, then all law enforcement agents would be shrouded in the same web of secrecy: the fact that not all law enforcement agents are in plain clothes shows this not to be so.

Thus we can conclude that it is dislike of having their agents neutralised that drives this seizure (assuming, of course, that this is actually the reason for the FBI's action - it doesn't seem to have been made absolutely clear that this page was the reason for it).

It makes no difference WHY they were "outed".

Debatable.

It exposes them (the law enforcement agents) to attack

Why? Does everything which 'exposes these agents to attack' need to be eliminated? I suggest we start banning guns and nukes. They expose agents to attack.

and those who revealed them should pay a price.

Unfortunately for law enforcement, there are quite interesting ways to raise anonimity on the Internet.

Now, if "the movement" really considered their cause just then they'd be more than happy to pay that price.

It would strengthen their cause.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Bullocks.

1) This raid will not show the original poster
2) The harddisk and content could have been copied while the original was given back instead of copying it and keeping the original as done as of now.
3) Indymedia Nantes dit not support the cause because the pictures got deleted.

About damn time....they deserved it listing the usernames, passwords, and e-mail addresses of the roster of an entire web forum (PW), after hacking the forum to gain access to that information....sick freaks....

Me!

Indymedia is a coalition of groups from around the world, set up to report on events and causes the "corporate media" will not touch. Their ideology is anarcho-socialism, pro-Sexual Revolution, anti-Catholic. They began after the so-called "Battle of Seattle" anti-WTO riots in which one person died, if I'm not mistaken.

Hope this helps with the background info. Thanks.

[Bodies Without Organs #39]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
It makes no difference WHY they were "outed".

It exposes them (the law enforcement agents) to attack, and those who revealed them should pay a price.

If the true fear of the authorities was that law enforcement agent had their identity revealed and thus were potentially open to attack, then all law enforcement agents would be shrouded in the same web of secrecy: the fact that not all law enforcement agents are in plain clothes shows this not to be so.

Thus we can conclude that it is dislike of having their agents neutralised that drives this seizure (assuming, of course, that this is actually the reason for the FBI's action - it doesn't seem to have been made absolutely clear that this page was the reason for it).

There is a difference between an in-house revelation of "infiltrators", and posting identifying info on a world-available website.

Simply having them posted as "the fuzz" (to use an archaic old chestnut) on the Indymedia site produced the "paranoiac" reaction that it did for the "authorities".

If you feel strongly about this case, find out for us all what the REAL reason was that they snagged the hardware.

About damn time....they deserved it listing the usernames, passwords, and e-mail addresses of the roster of an entire web forum (PW), after hacking the forum to gain access to that information....sick freaks....

Me!

Source? Who is 'they'?

If you feel strongly about this case, find out for us all what the REAL reason was that they snagged the hardware.

Somehow I don't think the FBI are likely to reveal that information first to an anonymous poster on the internet when they have yet to reveal it to the organisers of Indymedia themselves of other groups like the EFF or the BBC...

If you feel strongly about this case, find out for us all what the REAL reason was that they snagged the hardware.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Unfortunately, the lack of openness of the FBI, Rackspace.com, Swiss and Italian authorities among possibly others does not allow anyone except them to receive the truth behind the story. No worries though, work and energy is invested in the effort.

Source? Who is 'they'?

Google is your friend....

A few months ago, a far-Leftie hacked ProtestWarrior.com, a conservative group dedicated to counter-protesting (to which, I'm a member of). The hacker said that he was "shutting down PW for the good of mankind." The hacker broke into the PW forums and stole [almost] everyone's (I say almost everyone, because they didn't get all of the forum members, only the ones they first saw, I guess) username, password, and e-mail address. They then sent out a mass e-mail [propaganda nonsense] to all the addresses they had ripped off the site. They posted the personal contact information, usernames, and passwords for the founders of the website and they posted all of the e-mail addresses they had on IndyMedia. When requested to remove the private information, IndyMedia refused.....

Me!

[LuSiD #40]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakeokeo
It makes no difference WHY they were "outed".

Debatable.

Quote:
It exposes them (the law enforcement agents) to attack

Why? Does everything which 'exposes these agents to attack' need to be eliminated? I suggest we start banning guns and nukes. They expose agents to attack.

Quote:
and those who revealed them should pay a price.

Unfortunately for law enforcement, there are quite interesting ways to raise anonimity on the Internet.

Quote:
Now, if "the movement" really considered their cause just then they'd be more than happy to pay that price.

It would strengthen their cause.

Bullocks.

1) This raid will not show the original poster
2) The harddisk and content could have been copied while the original was given back instead of copying it and keeping the original as done as of now.
3) Indymedia Nantes dit not support the cause because the pictures got deleted.

I think you meant "Bollocks"...

Keep up the good work of helping those who would harm all of us, kiddo.

Google is your friend....

A few months ago, a far-Leftie hacked ProtestWarrior.com, a conservative group dedicated to counter-protesting (to which, I'm a member of). The hacker said that he was "shutting down PW for the good of mankind." The hacker broke into the PW forums and stole [almost] everyone's (I say almost everyone, because they didn't get all of the forum members, only the ones they first saw, I guess) username, password, and e-mail address. They then sent out a mass e-mail [propaganda nonsense] to all the addresses they had ripped off the site. They posted the personal contact information, usernames, and passwords for the founders of the website and they posted all of the e-mail addresses they had on IndyMedia. When requested to remove the private information, IndyMedia refused.....

Me!

Google is my friend? No, you tell me something, you back up your argument. So where is this information you are talking about? You say it is on Indymedia. Well, please provide me a link. Also, what makes you think this according to you 'far-Leftie' did this in the name of Indymedia?

[COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Comic Sans MS]I think you meant "Bollocks"...

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Very important to reply to 1 typo while ignoring the actual point.

Keep up the good work of helping those who would harm all of us, kiddo.

Ah, i see you also have to go straw man and ad hominem... that really contributes to a discussion *ahem*.

Keep up the good work of helping those who would harm all of us, kiddo.


Exactly what agenda do you think Indymedia is pushing?

You people are morons, those of you who think that revealing the ids of undercover agents is a good thing.

How about this, suppose you have an agent in the DEA working undercover, planning a sting operation.

Some drug-addled tard, thinking that "OMG NOES DRUGZ R MY RIGHT!!!111!!11" decides to unmask the identity of the agent.

Now that man's cover is blown, and 1, the operation is ruined, and 2, the guy's life is in danger.

I don't know about you, but this move was perfectly legal and moral.

OMG!!!! Indymedia was taken down????
WTF is indymedia. :D

I don't know about you, but this move was perfectly legal and moral.

Ah, we appear to have an expert on our hands here on the matter of UK/Swiss/Italian/US law and Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties.

:eek: Yanks are scary people

Now that man's cover is blown, and 1, the operation is ruined, and

That's the risk of living in a free society; the risk someone might become aware of say your real name, take a picture of you. Also, why don't you draw it in the context: these 2 persons were trying to infiltrate a community. Why shouln't they be made known to the members of that community so they will ignore them instead of interacting with them? Drones are no good in a working community.

2, the guy's life is in danger.

Why?

I don't know about you, but this move was perfectly legal and moral.

:cool: we should call Agent Scully of FBI to interogate you, because by saying this you really proof you got some paranormal power. Apparently you're able to know why the server got seized...

Google is my friend? No, you tell me something, you back up your argument. So where is this information you are talking about? You say it is on Indymedia. Well, please provide me a link. Also, what makes you think this according to you 'far-Leftie' did this in the name of Indymedia?

http://www.contumacy.org/bbs/index.pl?noframes;read=33974
http://www.chaos-faction.com/MT/archives/000677.php
http://lp.typepad.com/lopsided/2004/08/_protest_warrio.html
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12261
http://www.la4israel.org/wordpress/2004/08/22/1889/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197102/posts
http://homepage.mac.com/rpar01/iblog/B1550878829/C661617635/E1213501701/
http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/102260/index.php
http://www.sdimc.org/en/2004/08/105471.shtml
http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=30700&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Are those enough sources for you? If not, you can find plenty more right here (http://www.google.com/search?q=ProtestWarrior+hacked&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)

Happy now? Do some reading.....

Me!

Not necessary. The US is the most vile nation ever. All the scum of Europe went there. Those who were unwanted in society. That makes Americans the decendents of despical lowlives.

Right, scum, like:

Rich Dutch traders
Rich French traders
Not-So-Rich Russian Traders
Protestants, persecuted by Catholic England
Catholics, persecuted by Anglican England
Anglicans, persecuted by Catholic England
Rich government puppets from england
More traders
Chinese and Korean workers and miners hoping to profit of the mass transportation and mineral industries
Scandanavians looking for land.
Small crowds of Finno-Ugarians feeling persecution under foreign occupation.
Kuwaitis, South Africans, Poles (at least those who could,) and Koreans fleeing hostile conditions.
Chinese, seeking escape from an opressive government (YES, PEOPLE COME TO THE US FOR THAT.)
Irish, persecuted by those damn brits again.
Germans who fled WWII before the USA no longer allowed them in.
Rhodesians fleeing the perilous revolution.
Impoverished Italians looking for oppurtunity.
Even some Jews fleeing the holocaust.


The USA has seen such diverse trickles from all over the globe, i think you effectively assaulted almost everyone except the inbred royal families of Europe, excluding the pretigious austrian ruling classes, who had dealings with the US during the napoleonic era.

Most of the early attendants were rich landowners with skills of the upper class. Hardly scum. The deportation of "criminals" was mostly due to english religious foolishness.

I do congragulate you for displaying such misguided hate though, it examplifies the European attitude towards the US ive seen so far, even among my friends in Britain. Ta.

http://www.contumacy.org/bbs/index.pl?noframes;read=33974
http://www.chaos-faction.com/MT/archives/000677.php
http://lp.typepad.com/lopsided/2004/08/_protest_warrio.html
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12261
http://www.la4israel.org/wordpress/2004/08/22/1889/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197102/posts
http://homepage.mac.com/rpar01/iblog/B1550878829/C661617635/E1213501701/
http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/102260/index.php
http://www.sdimc.org/en/2004/08/105471.shtml
http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=30700&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Are those enough sources for you? If not, you can find plenty more right here (http://www.google.com/search?q=ProtestWarrior+hacked&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)

Happy now? Do some reading.....

Me!

I see the content got deleted from the IMC. Whats your problem?

Consider this a polite request for those engaged in a pro-/anti-US war to move it out of here and start their own thread. Ignore it at your leisure.

I see the content got deleted from the IMC. Whats your problem?

That's just the thing. I suppose I should have made that more clear. IndyMedia was requested -- by PW's founders -- to remove the information multiple times, even threatening with legal action. They refused to. Finally -- long after the damage was done -- they removed it.....IndyMedia is nothing but a group of savage Nihilists, hell-bent on silencing opposition through force or violence.....

Me!

IndyMedia is nothing but a group of savage Nihilists, hell-bent on silencing opposition through force or violence.....

If they are nothing but a group of Nihilsits, then how come they believe so passionately in themselves and their independent media network?

That's just the thing. I suppose I should have made that more clear. IndyMedia was requested -- by PW's founders -- to remove the information multiple times, even threatening with legal action. They refused to. Finally -- long after the damage was done -- they removed it.....

Why did it take so long?

IndyMedia is nothing but a group of savage Nihilists, hell-bent on silencing opposition through force or violence.....

Straw man...

You people are morons, those of you who think that revealing the ids of undercover agents is a good thing.

How about this, suppose you have an agent in the DEA working undercover, planning a sting operation.

Some drug-addled tard, thinking that "OMG NOES DRUGZ R MY RIGHT!!!111!!11" decides to unmask the identity of the agent.

Now that man's cover is blown, and 1, the operation is ruined, and 2, the guy's life is in danger.

I don't know about you, but this move was perfectly legal and moral.

let's assume that your claim - that outing undercover dea agents is a bad thing - is true (i wouldn't actually grant that, but that isn't important in this context). how does it follow that outing infiltrators to a protest/social movement is also a bad thing? are the two situations at all similar?

suppose that some group you were in was being infiltrated by agents of some force opposed to you. if you found out about this infiltration would it be wrong for you to warn other members in the group about it?

Hey, has anyone heard if the FBI has shut down Bob Novak yet?

My heart really bleeds for the quislings at Indymedia. Not.

One less piece of garbage on the net.

What do you mean? Planning to get yourself banned? ;)

Hey, has anyone heard if the FBI has shut down Bob Novak yet?

THANK YOU -- Right Winger Bob Novak leaks the name of an undercover CIA operative as political revenge and nothing happens -- Indymedia is shut-down and tampered with by Feds for having a photo of a guy at a protest!

Notice a problem with consistancy?

THANK YOU -- Right Winger Bob Novak leaks the name of an undercover CIA operative as political revenge and nothing happens -- Indymedia is shut-down and tampered with by Feds for having a photo of a guy at a protest!

Notice a problem with consistancy?

Pretty much. But that's no surprise. What do you expect from the USA?

Pretty much. But that's no surprise. What do you expect from the USA?

Top-notch porn movies.

You people are morons, those of you who think that revealing the ids of undercover agents is a good thing.

And what if it's in some oppressive regime? Oh sorry, that probably is your utopia.


How about this, suppose you have an agent in the DEA working undercover, planning a sting operation.

Some drug-addled tard, thinking that "OMG NOES DRUGZ R MY RIGHT!!!111!!11" decides to unmask the identity of the agent.

Now that man's cover is blown, and 1, the operation is ruined, and 2, the guy's life is in danger.
Boo f*kin hoo. He knew the risks of the job. What goes around comes around.

The DEA shouldn't even exist. Nothing illegal => no drug gangs, syndicates, dangerous organisations =>no crime =>no need for DEA

No. I'm not a hypocrate. Whats a hypocrate?
Media must be controlled so that they will not spread dangerouse subversive views into the free society.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH


It's almost Hate Week, isn't it.

more possible developments on the story - including a possible us election link
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/10/12/8399513

Everthing will be a'ight. Promise. Websites will be up again soon -- some already are. Just costs a damn lot of time. Although i'm doing 2 times: jack and shit http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/images/icons/icon11.gif

Tomorow there will be a demonstration at the Italian ambassy in Amsterdam. They'll get some more computers from us (but without the harddrives (a prosecutor here in NL put his computer, including harddrive with top secret info, on the street. He thought the computer had a virus)). Stay tuned for a link to the story and/or links, photos, etc.

Tomorow there will be a demonstration at the Italian ambassy in Amsterdam. They'll get some more computers from us (but without the harddrives (a prosecutor here in NL put his computer, including harddrive with top secret info, on the street. He thought the computer had a virus)). Stay tuned for a link to the story and/or links, photos, etc.

Is this prosecutor retarded? Does he still have his job? Is he in jail yet?

Is this prosecutor retarded? Does he still have his job? Is he in jail yet?

Well his mailbox got cracked yesterday, too. I don't think he's retarded, he did quite a few heavy fraud causes and did succesfully so. If you studied law & justice succesfully and became a prosecutor you got a pack of brains and have knowledge on that subject, enough to not be called retarted [in that viewpoint]. I do think he's a technophobic idiot though, judging on what happened. He probably chose some easy password or so, too.

After huge public media attention he decided to quit with his job. He's still fairly young, around ~35 or so, i estimate. They're gonna try to give him a job 'behind the lines' IOW he's gonna get a high position where he's immune for scandal; 1) he studied law & justice and already earned a damn lot and he doesn't want to earn less ofcourse 2) he's probably quite fed up with what happened and the media attention.

Finally, if not obvious: no, no jail... but lots of jokes floating around on the Internet about it :D

Harddisks are back and under investigation.

A sufficiently informed and armed population would prevent such tyranny.