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We've been losing a lot of great legends of the screen these last few month. Reeve was only 52. I remember when he was paralyzed, he kept saying in almost every interview: "I'm going to walk again someday." What a guy! May he rest in peace.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/11/obit.reeve.ap/index.html


"Oh, Superman where are you now!", when I hear Phil singing those words, it will have a different meaning.

Nice original thread!

The guy is dead, he was a mediocre actor at best.

We've been losing a lot of great legends of the screen these last few month. Reeve was only 52. I remember when he was paralyzed, he kept saying in almost every interview: "I'm going to walk again someday." What a guy! May he rest in peace.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/11/obit.reeve.ap/index.html


"Oh, Superman where are you now!", when I hear Phil singing those words, it will have a different meaning.

Don't think he'll be walking anytime soon! ;)

Nice original thread!

The guy is dead, he was a mediocre actor at best.


Yes he was but I respect him more for his work and fight against his handicap then his Superman role.

10 bucks says in the next debate stem cells come up and bush makes fun of christopher reeves

Yes he was but I respect him more for his work and fight against his handicap then his Superman role.

Why didn't he support research before his accident? It seems that people only care about things when it occurs to them. Kind of selfish.

10 bucks says in the next debate stem cells come up and bush makes fun of christopher reeves


Remember that Kerry has a plan and that "Chris Reeves " spoke to him about it!

Why didn't he support research before his accident? It seems that people only care about things when it occurs to them. Kind of selfish.
And Republicans didn't much care about stem cell research until Ronald Reagan got Alzheimer's. Sometimes it takes a high-profile case, or a personal experience, to become aware that something's even an issue - let alone get active about it.

Remember that Kerry has a plan and that "Chris Reeves " spoke to him about it!
at least kerry has a plan a dead guy spoke to him about, im still not sure wtf bush's plan is, maybe its to spend friday to wedensday ngiht trying to write one hell of a checkers speech that he fucked up in the first debate

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Why didn't he support research before his accident? It seems that people only care about things when it occurs to them. Kind of selfish.

Do you support every dissease/handicap from with you don't suffer at the moment? Kind of simplistic thoughts you have :rolleyes:

Cut the crap please.

And Republicans didn't much care about stem cell research until Ronald Reagan got Alzheimer's. Sometimes it takes a high-profile case, or a personal experience, to become aware that something's even an issue - let alone get active about it.

It is kind of evil to give false hope to people. Stem cell research has not cured anything yet, and might not in the future. Let's focus on things like cancer, herpes, AIDS, heart disease, diabetes, and the common cold before we throw money at Stem Cell research.

It is kind of evil to give false hope to people. Stem cell research has not cured anything yet, and might not in the future. Let's focus on things like cancer, herpes, AIDS, heart disease, diabetes, and the common cold before we throw money at Stem Cell research.
oh yes!

you are BRILLIANT!


we must focus on curing things before researching something that could lead to a cure!!!

PURE BRILLIANCE

focus on the ends and completely ignore any and all means!!

YOU ARE MY GOD!!

*bows*


shut the hell up

Do you support every dissease/handicap from with you don't suffer at the moment? Kind of simplistic thoughts you have :rolleyes:

Cut the crap please.


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oh yes!

you are BRILLIANT!


we must focus on curing things before researching something that could lead to a cure!!!

PURE BRILLIANCE

focus on the ends and completely ignore any and all means!!

YOU ARE MY GOD!!

*bows*


shut the hell up moron

Forget that Stem Cell research has not gone anywhere yet asshole. There Are other ways to try to cure disease
Geek!

Forget that Stem Cell research has not gone anywhere yet asshole. There Are other ways to try to cure disease
Geek!
heres an idea dumbass! lets try funding stem cell research and see where the hell it goes!

Please Moe Howard and Chess, stop flaiming in the thread I just started.

BTW, stamcell research is indeed the most needed thing at this moment, I have a form of diabetes and use insulin. According to my specialist, the next revolution will come from this research.

I don't see the probblem in using those cells that would be thrown away anyway. Now they will be usefull for something.

It is kind of evil to give false hope to people. Stem cell research has not cured anything yet, and might not in the future. Let's focus on things like cancer, herpes, AIDS, heart disease, diabetes, and the common cold before we throw money at Stem Cell research.

Stem cell research has shown promising results (yes, even in human trials) at helping with heart disease.

Cancer cells and stem cells share many, many similarities (other than the fact that one is basically proliferation gone wild). Studying stem cells gives insight into how cancer works, and thus how to prevent and treat it.

Diabetes may be cured by stem cells. In fact, there has been progress made on an "artificial" pancreas that involves stem-cell created islet cells.

The common cold can never be cured completely, as viruses mutate. Nor would we want to cure it, since it helps build our immunity in the first place.

Why don't you actually read up on something before you start making idiotic comments about an area you know nothing about?

Forget that Stem Cell research has not gone anywhere yet asshole. There Are other ways to try to cure disease
Geek!

Wrong. Stop listening to other idiots and actually read up on it yourself.

It is kind of evil to give false hope to people. Stem cell research has not cured anything yet, and might not in the future. Let's focus on things like cancer, herpes, AIDS, heart disease, diabetes, and the common cold before we throw money at Stem Cell research.
Some of the most serious medical conditions, such as cancer and birth defects, are due to abnormal cell division and differentiation. A better understanding of the genetic and molecular controls of these processes may yield information about how such diseases arise and suggest new strategies for therapy. (READ: stemm cell research)

But it's not like the US of A must do the work. I'm pretty confident others would love to do it and reap the benefits.

Forget that Stem Cell research has not gone anywhere yet asshole. There Are other ways to try to cure disease
Geek!

But let's all forget that stem cell research can do this.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/27/jaw.transplant.ap/

But let's all forget that stem cell research can do this.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/27/jaw.transplant.ap/
:eek: OMG thats evil!!! Stem cell research must be banned!!!!!!!

He wasn't a brilliant actor, but his fight off-screen made him super after all...

Well, this honestly saddens me that he passed away. Christopher Reeves was a great actor, and a great dude. As insensitive as it sounds, this reminds me of the stem cell research episode of South Park for some reason o_O

It is nice to say that stem cell research "may" or "perhaps" find cures, but this is speculation and not proof. Other courses should be followed as well.

:eek: OMG thats evil!!! Stem cell research must be banned!!!!!!!

Yes, that poor man must never be allowed to chew food ever again!

But let's all forget that stem cell research can do this.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/27/jaw.transplant.ap/

How do you know that stem cells played a part in this? I see no concrete proof.

Yes, that poor man must never be allowed to chew food ever again!
There are afterall other ways to eat!!!!

He wasn't a brilliant actor, but his fight off-screen made him super after all...

What fight? He sat in his wheel chair drooling (saying he would walk again), he should have put his arms out when he fell. ;)

How do you know that stem cells played a part in this? I see no concrete proof.

That's why you should actually READ the article. Stem cells were used to grow a new jawbone. Read the article.

But let's all forget that stem cell research can do this.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/08/27/jaw.transplant.ap/

OT
From that article:

Paul Brown, head of the Center for Tissue Regeneration Science at University College in London, said it's not clear any major scientific ground has been broken, and tests may not be able to show whether the new bone came from stem cells, rather than from the growth factor alone.

The operation put established techniques together, resembling a well-known experiment in which University of Massachusetts scientists grew a human ear using a mold on the back of a mouse in 1995, he said.


Having said that, I am also saddened by the news, and I hope that one day we will have a cure for these ailments.

There are afterall other ways to eat!!!!

This is true. But let's forget that he looked like a mutant freak without a lower jawbone. I mean, why should we care about the man's dignity?

It is kind of evil to give false hope to people. Stem cell research has not cured anything yet, and might not in the future. Let's focus on things like cancer, herpes, AIDS, heart disease, diabetes, and the common cold before we throw money at Stem Cell research.

well, A guy who lost his lower jaw to cancer had one regrown because of stem cells. I am sure you can google it if you want

That's why you should actually READ the article. Stem cells were used to grow a new jawbone. Read the article.

I did read the article, however it is not proving that the stem cells were the cause of this. I want to see 500 jaws regrown using the exact same method, then I'll admit I was incorrect.

This is true. But let's forget that he looked like a mutant freak without a lower jawbone. I mean, why should we care about the man's dignity?

Because it's a HP, not a MP. People suffer, so goes life, que sera sera.

Originally Posted by MoeHoward
How do you know that stem cells played a part in this? I see no concrete proof.
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Um...

"...growth chemical and the patient's own bone marrow, containing stem cells"
"...verify whether the bone was created by the blank-slate stem cells"
"Stem cells are the master cells of the body that go on to become every tissue in the body. They are a hot area of research with scientists trying to find ways to prompt them to make desired tissues, and perhaps organs."
"technique resulted in a scientific advance involving stem cells"
"which contains stem cells"

It's in there. And it certainly helped...I am thinking. It may not have been caused ENTIRELY by the stem cells, but they were present in the process.

Anyways, Mr. Reeves was a good guy. I am sorry he died.

I did read the article, however it is not proving that the stem cells were the cause of this. I want to see 500 jaws regrown using the exact same method, then I'll admit I was incorrect.

I'm more than sure it could be done. Now we just have to find 500 people missing their lower jaws......That's the hard part.

I love marrow and all this talk makes me drool like a lazy cripple.

People suffer, so goes life, que sera sera.

So...why bother trying to cure ANY diseases or make ANY medical advances because "oh well, people suffer, so goes life".

If you ever get 3rd degree burns all over your body I expect you not to get skin grafting. If you shatter develop a deadly disease, I expect you not to get treatment, because people suffer, right? They're just supposed to deal with it, right?

I'm more than sure it could be done. Now we just have to find 500 people missing their lower jaws......That's the hard part.

Not really, hundreds of thousands have this problem. Now make haste and grow some jaws. I like the phrase "grow a backbone", now I'll change it to "grow a jaw" and use it at my want.

This is true. But let's forget that he looked like a mutant freak without a lower jawbone. I mean, why should we care about the man's dignity?
If God wanted him to have jawbone he wouldn't have given him cancer. He should have prayed to the Lord for a new jaw. Like a good Christian Scientist. Not go to a bunch of witchdoctors. :D

If stem cell technology can grow new jaws, where can I fund it?

So...why bother trying to cure ANY diseases or make ANY medical advances because "oh well, people suffer, so goes life".

If you ever get 3rd degree burns all over your body I expect you not to get skin grafting. If you shatter develop a deadly disease, I expect you not to get treatment, because people suffer, right? They're just supposed to deal with it, right?


Oh well, if it happens it happens, I wouldn't want you to worry about me anyway. Thanks. So goes life, que sera sera.

We are all born knowing only life, but when we learn of death we are truely alive.

Why is it that when someone famous dies, two more have to follow? Janet Leigh and Rodney King died last week and now Christopher Reeves yesterday. :(
Reeves was a great man. Probably one of the GREATEST out there. I know that he will be considered Superman to us all no matter what.

. Now make haste and grow some jaws.

Uh....I can't. I'm not a medical scientist.

Who do we have now to protect us from three evil radioactive super aliens and the sinister Gene HACK-MAN?

Well, I suppose we still have batman. Adam West will bury us all.

If stem cell technology can grow new jaws, where can I fund it?

I'm sure online resources are available if you'd like to contribute. My guess would be the labs or colleges that research this stuff.

My ideas on stem cell research has nothing to do with religion, I just like to think on my own and question things. Grow me a jaw! Only when they can grow us all John Holmes sized schwantz's will I truely trust this quack science.

If God wanted him to have jawbone he wouldn't have given him cancer. He should have prayed to the Lord for a new jaw. Like a good Christian Scientist. Not go to a bunch of witchdoctors. :D


But cancer is the devil!

Reeves was a great man. Probably one of the GREATEST out there. I know that he will be considered Superman to us all no matter what.

Doubtful.

But cancer is the devil!
Even more reason to pray for salvation. And maybe have an excorcism or two. If he prays hard enough God will save his soul.

My ideas on stem cell research has nothing to do with religion, I just like to think on my own and question things. Grow me a jaw! Only when they can grow us all John Holmes sized schwantz's will I truely trust this quack science.
the only quack here is the one coming from your mouth

Why is it that when someone famous dies, two more have to follow? Janet Leigh and Rodney King died last week and now Christopher Reeves yesterday. :(
Reeves was a great man. Probably one of the GREATEST out there. I know that he will be considered Superman to us all no matter what.


For those of you who do not know, it was not Rodney King that died (moron). It was Rodney Dangerfield.

Anyone know the opposite of Christopher Reeves? (answer below)










Christopher Walkins

And maybe have an excorcism or two.

Does that include a complimentary bottle of holy water?

the only quack here is the one coming from your mouth

What a clever retort
I guess you are funny
My mouth is not being used right now, as I am typing.
Please do not try to be funny in the future, as you basically suck it big time.

Does that include a complimentary bottle of holy water?
Yes. And if you take a third one you'll get frequent flyer miles and a toy suprise. I got a self castising for beginners package, complete with whips and salt for my wounds last time.

HaHa (http://www.funmansion.com/html/Troubling-Handicap-Sign.html)


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I am saddened to hear the news of Christpher Reeve's deat. He contributed so much to the world and to the presence of hope in society.

I, unlike a bunch of people, was too young to remeber what paralized Superman. I remember hearing about it but that was about it. He did live a good life. After his accident he was paralized and a bunch of people would have just died. but he lived. He fought. What was a miracle is the fact that he fought hard to walk and they were able to shock electricity in is body so he could walk. I suppose after that he was happy with his life. :) and found no more reason to fight. yes he did die from a disease commonly found in paralized people but he fought for 10 years. And that is what counts. Thank you superman for teaching people to keep fighting, even if there is no reason to live.

Doug

I, unlike a bunch of people, was too young to remeber what paralized Superman.

He fell of his horse about 9 years ago.

Reeves was dead anyways....i think the death of Rodney Dangerfield was much more upsetting. He was a great guy.

Reeves was dead anyways....i think the death of Rodney Dangerfield was much more upsetting. He was a great guy.

And funny as heck, even though he got "No Respect".

i think the death of Rodney Dangerfield was much more upsetting.
Who?

I am saddened to hear the news of Christpher Reeve's deat. He contributed so much to the world and to the presence of hope in society.

Look, I like Christopher Reeves, and grew up with superman movies. But what exactly did he contribute to the world that overshadows the things other people have done?

This reminds me of when Mother Teresa and Princess Diana dies on the same day. Everybody was talking about Princess Di instead of Mother Teresa. I mean what the hell is that all about? Mother Teresa dedicated her LIFE to helping people in need. Princess Di basically did some publicity shots and threw some money at landmines when she needed a powerbase(UK citizens) to offset her falling popularity within the royal family.

It is nice to say that stem cell research "may" or "perhaps" find cures, but this is speculation and not proof. Other courses should be followed as well.

Exactly - "as well". And other courses are being followed as well.

This reminds me of when Mother Teresa and Princess Diana dies on the same day. Everybody was talking about Princess Di instead of Mother Teresa.
Princess Diane died on august 31 and mother Theresa on september 5th.
Hardly the same day.

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From that article:



Having said that, I am also saddened by the news, and I hope that one day we will have a cure for these ailments.

The quote you used was either a misquote of the scientist or the scientist is an idiot. Growth Factor cannot turn into stem cells.

Uh....I can't. I'm not a medical scientist.

I could, but I'm really too busy trying to grow new smooth muscle cells for arterial grafts.

The quote you used was either a misquote of the scientist or the scientist is an idiot. Growth Factor cannot turn into stem cells.

That's not what the quote says. He's saying there's no concrete proof that it was the stem cells that caused the jaw to grow.

Reeves was dead anyways

What an idiotic thing to say. A quadraplegic is not dead just because he cannot walk - they can lead very full lives.

Princess Diane died on august 31 and mother Theresa on september 5th.
Hardly the same day.

My mistake. Died almost on the same day.

That's not what the quote says. He's saying there's no concrete proof that it was the stem cells that caused the jaw to grow.

From what I remember of the case, the jawbone construct was not fused with a piece of bone,but was simply placed subcutaneously. This means that it was either the stem cells they originally seeded it with, or circulating stem cells from the blood that eventually became bone cells. Now, I don't know all the details of the case - I'm kind of waiting for the paper that will inevitably stem from this, but unless they think skin cells spontaneously turned into bone (which would be completely unheard of), stem cells were involved.

And yet... there are so many other people who have campaigned for stem cell research but because of Reeves role as superman... he gets all or most of the credit. Not saying that he doesnt deserve it or that's it's a good thing that he died, but I find it upsetting that people call him a "great hero."

And yet... there are so many other people who have campaigned for stem cell research but because of Reeves role as superman... he gets all or most of the credit. Not saying that he doesnt deserve it or that's it's a good thing that he died, but I find it upsetting that people call him a "great hero."

I find Reeves to be more of a hero because he never gave up, than because he worked for stem cell research. However, many people campaign, but are not visual because they are not well known. A well-known person has the power to use their notoriety to try and help people. Those that do are better than those that don't, in my book.

What an idiotic thing to say. A quadraplegic is not dead just because he cannot walk - they can lead very full lives.

Can't walk, have sex, control their bodily functions, no use of hands, yeah a full life. Enjoy

Can't walk, have sex, control their bodily functions, no use of hands, yeah a full life. Enjoy

You are an unfortunate bastard if you think those things are all there is to life.

You are an unfortunate bastard if you think those things are all there is to life.

I think we're all unfortunate bastards because HE does.

Clicky (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041011/us_nm/people_reeve_stemcell_dc_4)

"On Monday, Kerry said he received a message on his cell phone from Reeve on Saturday just before he went into the hospital, in which he expressed pleasure the issue had been aired. Reeve died on Sunday during treatment for an infected pressure wound.

"He was so thrilled about where the discussion of stem cell research had come to," Kerry said. "

Damn, the day after he called Kerry and thanked him for backing stem cell research, he dies. :(