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Poll forthcoming.

I'm just curious what the people here think of the RIAA, and their current strategies in suing people downloading copyrighted music for $150,000 per song. The consensus is usually negative, but given an entirely new group of people to ask, perhaps the results will surprise me.

Poll forthcoming.

I'm just curious what the people here think of the RIAA, and their current strategies in suing people downloading copyrighted music for $150,000 per song. The consensus is usually negative, but given an entirely new group of people to ask, perhaps the results will surprise me.

RIAA?? Oh! You mean the music Nazis.

Their entire strategy for combatting piracy is not only idiotic but immoral.

I mean those poor millionaires!!! We're ruining them! If we don't stop downloading music they won't be able to buy that new yacht! Or put on some stupid political demonstration that they shouldn't be doing in the first place because we want to hear them sing!!! Not their views!!!

But anyway, RIAA = Satan

The RIAA can kiss me socialist arse. ;)

Their entire strategy for combatting piracy is not only idiotic but immoral.

Yes, that pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter. I believe piracy actually went up around the 2 month mark after lawsuits started. :p It seems nobody is going to defend the RIAA. :( Oh well, they suck anyways. ^__^

meh

The RIAA pisses me off. Sure, I'm stealing from artists everyday but it serves them right. Too many filler songs and high prices turn ye into a pirate. YAR!

meh

The RIAA pisses me off. Sure, I'm stealing from artists everyday but it serves them right. Too many filler songs and high prices turn ye into a pirate. YAR!

:D

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Meh, pirates are cool.

The RIAA is just as money-hungry as the artists they support.

Meh, pirates are cool.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Pirates are the arch-nemesis of Ninjas.

Ninjas > Pirates.

They fight ALL the time, and flip out and kill people! They cut peoples heads off all the time, and don't even think twice about it!

:p

So far the poll is pretty clear-cut, but what else would you expect from an internet poll?

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Pirates are the arch-nemesis of Ninjas.

Ninjas > Pirates.

They fight ALL the time, and flip out and kill people! They cut peoples heads off all the time, and don't even think twice about it!

:p
And you think pirates would?

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Pirates are the arch-nemesis of Ninjas.

Ninjas > Pirates.

They fight ALL the time, and flip out and kill people! They cut peoples heads off all the time, and don't even think twice about it!

:p

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Pirates still pwn Ninjas.

apparently nazis > pirates

because the music nazis are trying to kill the music pirates

damn music nazis


and you think the artists give a damn? highly doubt it. they are little pawns in the music industry and paid what? per song they do or something? its their LABELS thats getting pissed about people stealing music. i highly doubt the artists could care less except for the people who convewniently run their own recording labels, like every other rapper

I'm winning, i'm winning.

and you think the artists give a damn? highly doubt it. they are little pawns in the music industry and paid what? per song they do or something? its their LABELS thats getting pissed about people stealing music. i highly doubt the artists could care less except for the people who convewniently run their own recording labels, like every other rapperI'd say some do. Like, oh, Metallica. Remember the hullabaloo from the year before last?

I'd say some do. Like, oh, Metallica. Remember the hullabaloo from the year before last?
metallica are just whiny bitches. who else cares? i havnt seen that many artists getting on tv and stuff bitching about people stealing their music. i would assume metallica owns the rights to their music instead of a record label then

No, the record label owns the rights. And the point was that they were whiny bitches in that they did care.

No, the record label owns the rights. And the point was that they were whiny bitches in that they did care.

Yes, but if you've listened to Metallica lately, you'd end up thinking to yourself "Why do they care so much that people are taking their songs...and WHY are people actually listening to them in the first place?!"


I say, screw them. Trying to fight the piracy isn't going to work. Their methods are just plain moronic.

Besides, it's been shown that the vast majority of people STILL buy the cds, and only use file sharing to see what they would sound like first. I know I do that.




...Then again, I usually just buy the cd's at the band's shows and cut off the middle man period, so I dunno how much YOU guys are paying for them :p

It seems to me that everyone around here is justifying bad behavior to make themselves feel better. "They have a lot of money..." "most of the songs are awful and the price is too high...." That is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard.
I mean, maybe if you were stealing songs to feed your starving babies I might almost understand.

*downloads an album by an American artist on a majour label*

Take that, bitches.

*downloads another*

Aaaah...I'm bad and it feels good. :cool:

Just because its illegal doesn't mean it is bad behaviour. Civil disobediance can be and is a legitimate tactic.

It seems to me that everyone around here is justifying bad behavior to make themselves feel better. "They have a lot of money..." "most of the songs are awful and the price is too high...." That is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard.
I mean, maybe if you were stealing songs to feed your starving babies I might almost understand.

I don't give a fuck if I'm breaking the law. If they care so much about it, then they are not musicians, they are businesspeople.

Most of the CD's I've bought are thanks to internet radio and file sharing (IE: I hear the band on internet radio and then download the song I was listening to and maybe a few more. Then if I'm hooked I buy the CD). Without either one I wouldn't have discovered a vast majority of the bands I listen to.

Artists get all of their money from sales of their music. When you steal an artist's music, you steal her money. You can accuse the RIAA of being greedy, but if all of the people pirating music weren't too greedy to buy their own music, piracy wouldn't be an issue.

I agree that some artists pack their releases with filler. Maybe you should wonder why you still like them, if they're incapable of recording 50 minutes of good music at one time. It will be interesting to see how itunes and similar services will affect this.

Still, the cost of a CD is about the same as the cost of two tickets to a movie, plus or minus a box of Raisinets. I guess if you're still too young to legally work you have an excuse for not buying music. For those of us over the age of 16 there really is no excuse for stealing music instead of buying it.

Artists get all of their money from sales of their music.


WRONG. The record companies keep most of the money from album sales. Artists make their money from touring and the like.

No, the record label owns the rights. And the point was that they were whiny bitches in that they did care.

Some artists own all of the rights to their music. Others are paid royalties by the record companies when a sale is made. That's by far the most common arrangement for artist contracts.

WRONG. The record companies keep most of the money from album sales. Artists make their money from touring and the like.

WRONG. Some artists make money from touring, some don't tour at all. All artists make royalties, and that is virtually the sole source of their income. Of course, the record companies get a bigger share of the product sale proceeds, but that doesn't mean the artists don't get anything.

WRONG. Some artists make money from touring, some don't tour at all. All artists make royalties, and that is virtually the sole source of their income. Of course, the record companies get a bigger share of the product sale proceeds, but that doesn't mean the artists don't get anything.


Artists get peanuts from record sales, bottom line. Touring is their main source of income. Shit, if artists got enough money to live a cushy life from record sales alone, concerts as we know it would probably be extinct.

Artists get all of their money from sales of their music. When you steal an artist's music, you steal her money. You can accuse the RIAA of being greedy, but if all of the people pirating music weren't too greedy to buy their own music, piracy wouldn't be an issue.

Nope. Most of the money goes to the label. This is only correct for some of those on Indie's or who release their music themselves.


Still, the cost of a CD is about the same as the cost of two tickets to a movie, plus or minus a box of Raisinets. I guess if you're still too young to legally work you have an excuse for not buying music. For those of us over the age of 16 there really is no excuse for stealing music instead of buying it.

Over here in the UK a regular CD album can cost as much as (the equivalent of) $36. Sorry, I don't have enough to spare from my minimum wage part time job (I'm a student) to spend £50-60 ($100-120) a month on music. However, I will go out of my way to buy music I've previously downloaded if I enjoy it and it's independently released. Otherwise, fuck off. As I've already stated, if you care so much about the money, you're not a musician.

Artists get all of their money from sales of their music. When you steal an artist's music, you steal her money. You can accuse the RIAA of being greedy, but if all of the people pirating music weren't too greedy to buy their own music, piracy wouldn't be an issue.

I agree that some artists pack their releases with filler. Maybe you should wonder why you still like them, if they're incapable of recording 50 minutes of good music at one time. It will be interesting to see how itunes and similar services will affect this.

Still, the cost of a CD is about the same as the cost of two tickets to a movie, plus or minus a box of Raisinets. I guess if you're still too young to legally work you have an excuse for not buying music. For those of us over the age of 16 there really is no excuse for stealing music instead of buying it.The problem is that piracy isn't "stealing the artist's music". When you steal something, you deprive the original owner of the item. That is what stealing is.

If I break into your house and make an accurate copy of your dining table with my own materials, have I stolen your dining table? No.

Piracy is not about stealing the music. Piracy is about stealing the distribution of the music. Music artists make music, and get paid for it. Record labels distribute the music, and get paid for that. When I download a song from the internet, the artist is not in any way losing money. The only ones losing money is the record label, and quite frankly I don't care about them.

The record labels purposefully make the music more expensive than it need be. Untill very recently, they have essentially been in a cartel denying the public music over the much cheaper medium of the internet. People want music on their computers much more than in their cd-players. Recently, ways of legally downloading music have been cropping up, but slowly, slowly. I am all for them, they're great.

The problem is that I want to play the music I buy in lots of ways. I want to play it on my computer, I want to play it in my stereo, I want to play it in my iPod. I don't want to buy three seperate copies of the music to be allowed to do that. If I buy music, I should be allowed to play it in whatever format I like; its my music file.

Nope. Most of the money goes to the label. This is only correct for some of those on Indie's or who release their music themselves.


Exactly. As an artist myself I can confidently say that you make more money off of a live show than music sales, period. Record companies = the devil.

Exactly. As an artist myself I can confidently say that you make more money off of a live show than music sales, period. Record companies = the devil.

Does the band get more cash off the cd's bought at live shows? Just curious, since that's where I buy most my cds (no middle man = cheaper :D)

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Pirates are the arch-nemesis of Ninjas.

Ninjas > Pirates.

They fight ALL the time, and flip out and kill people! They cut peoples heads off all the time, and don't even think twice about it!

:p

Ah yes, the ancient rivalry between Pirates and Ninjas.

Does the band get more cash off the cd's bought at live shows? Just curious, since that's where I buy most my cds (no middle man = cheaper :D)

I don't know. Concert stuff is usually just as much or more. From what I've seen. But that may not always be the case.

The RIAA can go fuck itself.

I'm a writer. I'm only published online because I believe in public domain. I don't care who has a copy of my writing, I just ask that my name stay on my material.

Exactly. As an artist myself I can confidently say that you make more money off of a live show than music sales, period. Record companies = the devil.

Totally. My band plans to lose about a thousand pounds from our first full length release...best case scenario! Doesn't mean shit to us, as long as we get out there, we can make it up from tours. We just have to get a new drummer first.

The RIAA can go fuck itself.

I'm a writer. I'm only published online because I believe in public domain. I don't care who has a copy of my writing, I just ask that my name stay on my material.If you are a fiction writer, you might want to look into Baen Books, specifically their 'Free Library'. They have the right idea.

A lot of their authors publish a free ebook version of the first one or two books in a series there, and its a great thing indeed.

Does the band get more cash off the cd's bought at live shows? Just curious, since that's where I buy most my cds (no middle man = cheaper :D)

It depends, if you're not paying the middle-man but they sell for the same amount then obviously yes. If they sell it cheaper they might just be breaking even. Some bands just give their shit away get make nothing but debt.

If you are a fiction writer, you might want to look into Baen Books, specifically their 'Free Library'. They have the right idea.

A lot of their authors publish a free ebook version of the first one or two books in a series there, and its a great thing indeed.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into it, or something else very similar.

Just because its illegal doesn't mean it is bad behaviour. Civil disobediance can be and is a legitimate tactic.

Civil disobediance? So, we're talking about your "music rights" now?

You people can try to sooth society's ailing conscience. At least those who say that they know what they are doing is wrong and don't care are being honest with themselves and others.

As for the gentleman who says that he can't afford the $100-$120 for CDs every month: What says that you are entitled to listen to music anyway?!? If you can't afford something then you live without. Oh, that might be too hard. I am 24 and a college student. After paying my bills (on my $6.25 an hour job) I don't have a lot of money. There is tons of things that I want. A lot of music and DVDs too. But I can't afford them so I exercise a little self disapline and go with them for now.

Boy, we are turning out to be a whining generation of brats who think that we're entitled to have everything we want.

Civil disobediance? So, we're talking about your "music rights" now?

You people can try to sooth society's ailing conscience. At least those who say that they know what they are doing is wrong and don't care are being honest with themselves and others.

As for the gentleman who says that he can't afford the $100-$120 for CDs every month: What says that you are entitled to listen to music anyway?!? If you can't afford something then you live without. Oh, that might be too hard. I am 24 and a college student. After paying my bills (on my $6.25 an hour job) I don't have a lot of money. There is tons of things that I want. A lot of music and DVDs too. But I can't afford them so I exercise a little self disapline and go with them for now.


So if they won't get my money anyway, what's the problem?
Do you not agree that $30 is a ridiculous amount to expect people to pay for something they can easily obtain free-of-charge?
BTW: Music should be free, whether you consider it art or information. It is only the constraints of current society which prevent artists from giving it away.

You people can try to sooth society's ailing conscience. At least those who say that they know what they are doing is wrong and don't care are being honest with themselves and others.

Why not? We don't get caught, it's not a crime.

I kid... ;)

So if they won't get my money anyway, what's the problem?
Do you not agree that $30 is a ridiculous amount to expect people to pay for something they can easily obtain free-of-charge?
BTW: Music should be free, whether you consider it art or information. It is only the constraints of current society which prevent artists from giving it away.


I think you need to make a more eloquent argument on why music should be free. I still don't understand your point of view.
Artists can give their music away free if they so wish (well, the ones that aren't lock into deals with the recording studios) and if they do, more power to them.